https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-compact-pickup-truck-confirmed

>“Decisions have been made. The question is when we can slot it in. It’s not a matter of ‘if,’ at this point,” Cooper Ericksen, head of planning and strategy for Toyota Motor North America tells MotorTrend. We’ve studied it a lot. We’re dedicated to it. We’re going to figure out how to make it work.”
>It will be unibody construction, using TNGA bits, which underpin virtually all Toyotas, and can use Toyota’s hybrid powertrain system. It will be a true Toyota truck, akin to the larger, body-on-frame Tacoma mid-sizer and the full-size Toyota Tundra.
>Toyota’s data shows it could sell 100,000 to 150,000 compact trucks a year in the U.S. alone to address the appetite for a more affordable entry-level truck.

>>28458198 (OP)
>Toyota’s hybrid powertrain system.
Ruined

>>28458204
/Thread
How can these high level business leaders continue to be so fucking retarded?

>>28458204
Why? Seems like it would be well suited to use in trucks. The electric motor provides a lot of torque from idle, saving your clutch when doing a lot of low speed work or stop and go while loaded, and it can provide a lot of braking force, saving your brakes when in hilly terrain or in a lot of stop and go while loaded. I like stick shifts and turbodiesels more than most people, but I know it's unlikely to happen on the US market, and, in that context, I would much rather have a hybrid assisted petrol engine in my pickup than a non-hybrid petrol.

Toyota chads just keep on winning

>A reasonable compromise: SUV-like capability in a truck that is lighter, with a hybrid powertrain for great fuel economy, and a decent bed size to meet the needs of most consumers in a truck that costs less.

lmao so small SUV frame which is already just a height increased hatch then throw in a bed that can hold absolutely fuck all and make it hybrid so increases costs and you have a $52000 2 door pickup

>>28458237
it's all tiny gains and there just so they beat emission regulations for their fleet of cars

Even in the hybrid tacoa it's 148 extra torque and that's a huge pickup. If they're doing a 2 door thing like the ford version you will get like 40-70 more tops

Unibody truck sounds absolutely horrible.

>unibody
>Truck

Your gonna put a heavy load in the bed and your front panel gap is going to be huge. Who the fuck thought that a good idea?

>>28458271
It's like the maverick and people dig that shit

>>28458270
>>28458271
You may not like it, but this is what peak utility vehicle looks like.

We're getting a Toyota Bronco Sport and Maverick. The Compact Cruiser and 4 door Stout.

>>28458198 (OP)
>it's a corolla with a bed isn't it

>>28458449
Here's the small, affordable truck you've all been clamoring for.
>Starting MSRP $31,999.95
>Payload capacity 600 lbs.
>Towing capacity 2,000 lbs
>Base engine EPA 25 mpg, Hybrid 32 mpg

>>28458473
ok now paint it mint green and slam it on rotiforms

>>28458449
Reminder that a Corolla with a bed STILL has a higher payload capacity than a gei truck

>>28458309
Unf

>>28458312
>Spelling Toyota on the grill

I remember when Toyotas that were spelled out were peak of their class. Now they slap it on this?

>>28458576
oh shut up moron

>>28458237
Why don't they just use a proper engine? The new Land Cruisers/4Runners are both slow as fuck and shitty on fuel so what's the point of the hybrid bullshit?

/o/ is retarded, obviously. The Maverick is one of the top selling vehicles so it makes sense Toyota would want to replicate it. Nobody cares if it’s unibody or hybrid.

>>28458534
>a bigger car can carry more
Wow!

>>28458600
Yeah turns out making a truck pointlessly tiny is actually kinda stupid
who knew

>>28458602
Turns out different people have different needs out of their vehicles and aren't retarded zoomer minmaxxers that need the absolute best out of everything or it's literally unusable trash for being 0.001% less capable

>>28458588
And it'll be one of the best selling vehicle too./o/ is full of retarded bus riders.

>>28458237
>Clutch
>Truck
>Usdm
Everybody point and laugh

>>28458588
>Maverick is one of the top selling vehicles
>not even in the top 25 best selling vehicles
wut?

>>28458583
>The new Land Cruisers/4Runners are both slow as fuck and shitty on fuel so what's the point of the hybrid bullshit?
There are different types of hybrid powertrains. The ones found in trugs and big SUVs and even sport cars almost always are not for getting better mileage and is instead for small power assist / acceleration at low speeds. Basically the hybrid in a camry or corolla for instance is nothing like the one you find in the 4runner.
>>28458266
These type of hybrids basically give you near nothing in terms of reduction of emissions.

>>28458206
It's because of bullshit CAFE regulations in the US. Mileage requirements are based on the wheelbase of the vehicle, not the class of vehicle, so a small pickup needs to get the same mileage as a sedan, only way that's gonna happen is with a hybrid system. This is also why vehicle of all sizes keep getting bigger, it's an attempt by manufacturers to get around these honestly pretty ridiculous mileage requirements by going to a larger wheelbase that doesn't have quite as stringent requirements.

>>28458583
>Why don't they just use a proper engine?
Because the US (and the rest of the so-called developed countries) are too cucked by emissions laws to get decent turbodiesels for small vehicles.
>>28458266
>40-70 more tops
Last time one could buy small trucks in the US in the 90's, a typical one (Ford Ranger, Nissan D21, Mazda B2600i [all of which I owned or drove at work]) would put out around 150 ft-lbs peak. An extra 50 ft-lbs, especially from zero RPM, would be noticeable.

>>28458577
>You know they call you a moron
>But they didn't call you a liar

what did he mean by this

>>28458929
to your credit you aren't wrong but brandfagging is gay and shallow discussion

>>28458204
works fine on the Maverick

>>28458941
>6x the price of a gei trugg
>can't even haul as much as a gei trugg

why even live.

>unibody
>hybrid
>"akin to the larger, body-on-frame Tacoma"
So it's going to be a RAV4 with a bed, fuck me.

>>28459018
Unibody makes it fucking useless. Guess I'm stuck forever in the midsize and up.

>>28458534
>Jumbuck
I'm sure this means something only to Malaysians but honestly I want one anyway. It's a masculine name, full of vigor. Me and my trusty Jumbuck, pulling up to the jobsite for a day of manual labor, ready for anything the foreman throws at us.

>>28459018
What's the matter? People in Latin America seem to find little unibody trucks useful, and they actually use pickup trucks for more than rolling down to the Walmart for Minions merch.

I think picrelated would do very well on the US market.

Cool, now we'll finally be able to test the argument that Americans would buy a compact pickup over a massive dually 3500 for their commute to the office if only someone made one.
Obviously it's not true but at least now truckolds won't have that argument.

>>28458583
see >>28458834

>>28458198 (OP)
>It will be unibody construction
Of course it's going to be. Useless fuckheads just listening to the market research firms' updated notes stating the Maverick has no/few competitors.
Unibody means there's no chance for configurations other than a 4-door either. Automakers are already making single/extended cabs rare for BoF trucks where it should be simple to implement, so they're not going to bother if they have to redo the entire structure just to do a 2-door.

>>28458309
>>28458534
It would be rad if that's what we ended up with because something like this is not available on the US market.
But this is Toyota USA. It's just going to be a Maverick 4-door 4' bed copy-pasta with a powerplant that's undersized for reality.

>>28459059
Stellantis is taking their sweet ass time deciding if they're going to bring one of these over or make a new Dakota.

>>28458237
>clutch
anon, i...

>>28458449
i'd love a corolla with a bed. i miss pic related, i had a diesel one back in the early 90s and it was great.

>>28459060
>americans want simple inexpensive compact trucks like used to sell by the 100,000 in the usa until they were chicken-taxed out of existence
>instead car makers build ugly EVslop and "hybrid"slob
>see, nobody wants compact trucks

>>28459121
The Maverick has done pretty well so far.

My bet is that it will either be a rav4 or a corolla cross converted to have a bed. Bonus is that Toyota markets it as "rugged" by basically making it a standard Overland lifted rav4.

>>28459121
The opposite is true, it is:
>americans want simple inexpensive compact trucks like used to sell by the 100,000 in the usa until they were chicken-taxed out of existence
>instead car makers build ugly EVslop and "hybrid"slob
>sells out and cannibalizes sales of all trucks below f250
>end up having to halt production to keep f-150 sales up due to fleet sales
The uni-truck is doing really well

>>28458198 (OP)
>We're about to throw another bloated piece of shit on the market, only now it won't have much utility and will still cost $25-35k so it's super "affordable"

Yeah it's gonna be trash.

>>28459018
Be honest all most the market wants is a Rav4 that's not fat and ugly. Just go back to what it originally was. All their vehicles were great in their first generation then bloated up and went to shit in the later gens. Toyota's model history reads like a hot wife getting fat and ugly.

>>28458198 (OP)
So basically it's a Toyota Maverick

People want affordable vehicles to buy new so the manufacturers oblige them by offering all the austerity of a $18,000 car but an MSRP of $38,000 (plus tip)

>>28458774
>These type of hybrids basically give you near nothing in terms of reduction of emissions.

It's literally to meet compliance, the manufacturer is based on all their cars so having everything a hybrid or EV lets you still sell something that might be getting harder to meet emissions

>>28458623
No one outside of Japan "needs" to have their truck adhere to Japanese tax law dimensions, stop coping.

>>28459301
If you're gonna charge over 20k for something, it better not have any styrofoam anywhere. They're selling us 10k cars for 30k+

>>28459310

>>28459310
No vehicle made for the road should be over 70" wide. That's already a fat as fuck American bloatmobile. Now they're all 75" minimum and you have to go out of your way or buy a 20+ year old vehicle to achieve a decent vehicle width for good road maneuvering. Or buy a cuck sedan.

>>28459310
>no one "needs"
Cool, the same argument libtards use against fuckhueg brodozers but reversed. Maybe I fucking want it to be a tiny slow piece of shit, cope retard.

>>28459374
Ok so why did you say you had "needs" lmao

>>28458198 (OP)
Isn't this just a hilux?

>>28458309
never forget what they took from you

>>28459401
"needs" as in what they require the vehicle to be able to do. if you had any semblance of reading comprehension, you would be able to tell that also includes people who don't actually need much capability at all

>>28459374
Why don't you just cut the back off a Mirage or any sedan?

>>28459430
>I "need" my truck to be pointlessly tiny!

>>28459555
>>28459374

>>28459639
>>28458602

>>28459809
>stop liking what I don't like

>>28460028
>no it's not stupid I HAVE NEEDS!!
>ok I don't have needs I just like stupid things

>>28460030
Need for novelty is still a need

>>28458198 (OP)
>Unibody
>hybrid
Somebody's gonna hand this dumb fuck a Hara-kiri sword, after this flops, majorly.

>>28460347
Are you retarded? Mavericks and santa cruz's are big sellers. It's an entire new market segment that really is just an old market segment but revived due to regular trucks being too overpriced

I think if they make it look like this then they will win the entire compact truck revival. The entire reason the maverick oversells the Hyundai is because it looks more like a truck and has a hybrid option. Just put a few commercials of it doing some light offloading and it will sell in the thousands

>>28458198 (OP)
>It will be unibody construction, using TNGA bits
>will be a true Toyota truck
huh?

>>28460382
Translation: it will be a lifted offroad-rav4 with a bed, and because normies think going over curb=truck, then it is a truck

>>28460372
>regular trucks being too overpriced
This meme needs to die. You can get a nice half ton for $50k. I see people spend more than that on shit like minivans and 4cyl crossovers. Yeah trucks do get expensive but that's the buyers fault because people tend to prefer upper trim, fully loaded vehicles. That doesn't mean you need to go out and buy the $80k truck they have sitting on the fake rock pile in front of the dealership.

>>28460579
>You can get a nice half ton for $50k
>50k
>affordable
Please don't tell me you are this retarded

>>28460603
Half tons lease cheap so you can drive one for less than you spend on shit like coffee and fast food. A couple bringing in $50k a piece or more can easily afford a $50k vehicle. Even if you're single with a good job and good financial skills you can still afford something like that. If you spent $200k to make $40k a year... well you should have made better life choices.

>>28460603
Average new car cost is like 50k anon. True you can get some shitboxes for 30s but the average is right around 50 which is pretty affordable for most.

>>28458309
those were body on frame

>we need to make a whole new vehicle for america because uhh we just do ok
and its $40k now

>>28463378
WRONG
Unibody and even semi-trailing IRS - because who says you don't want massive amounts of camber gain on a load carrying vehicle?

Sell it for $15k or don't bother.

Unfortunately 99% of trucks are pavement princesses and owners are only interested in showing off their bad spending habits rather than working with their hands.
(if you look at the hands of truck owners, they're all very soft)

>>28458270
retard here: why does it matter for a small vehicle like Toyota's truck or the maverick? From what I know, it seems like most of the benefits of body on frame are for heavier duty trucks that haul bigger loads and may do some off roading. I don't see why it matters for a smaller pickup.

>>28464482
Body on frame pickups weigh less than unibody no matter the scale. Body on frame also lowered the risk of rollover. The Chevrolet Corvar, a controversial compact unibody car could rollover easier than any body on frame in that generation. Unibody grew in favor due to collision survivability. Body on frame vehicles no matter how tall they can get will always have a lower center of gravity due to the frame weight. Also favored for bed modularity.

>>28463690
it's sad that manufacturers brand their entire fleet with similar design cues. simple small truck should look simple, like op's image

>>28464555
>Body on frame pickups weigh less than unibody no matter the scale
>Body on frame vehicles no matter how tall they can get will always have a lower center of gravity due to the frame weight

Lmao

>>28458198 (OP)

street legal kei truck with an indestructible transmission and guaranteed roadworthiness above 100kph? sign me up

>>28464555
BoF a shit. You have the big gay

>>28458198 (OP)
>It will be unibody
Ruined. It's basically a fake truck.
As someone who transported a full size forklift battery in the back of an 80s Toyota truck like OP pick, and a full size Burke Millrite milling machine in the back of a Datsun 521, I know this is going to be a in-looks-only "truck."

>>28465059
Let me guess; you "need" more?

Very few people will buy this besides some working Mexicans
>not nearly big enough for the modern 'american'
>a pickup is bought today as a status symbol, not a work vehicle

>>28465059
>I know this is going to be a in-looks-only "truck."
So for 90% of buyers

>>28458198 (OP)
>Toyota's affordable compact pickup truck is reportedly nearing completion for the US market.
Prepare for 100% markup

>>28458198 (OP)
If its not body on frame, its not a truck, and not worth buying.

>>28459023
>>28460347
>>28460382
>>28464482
I have a 2000s Nissan Frontier that I got into a bad accident with. T boned by a ram 3500 (my fault). The bed was completely fucked up and leans to one side now, yet the frame is fine. If it was a unibody it would have been totaled. BoF trucks can have new beds like flat or those Aussie ute beds, pull more, and can be lifted easily. And seem to me at least to be more reliable in the long run because you can change out almost everything from the cab, to the bed, to the engine. These cheap little throw away toy trucks are a pathetic joke.

>>28465172
Allow me to postulate; your requirements are greater?

>>28459307
>so having everything a hybrid or EV lets you still sell something that might be getting harder to meet emissions
you're not understanding this. It's the same fucking emissions. A MHEV, which is what all of the non-sedan Hybrids from Toyota are, does not help with emissions. It's so fucking negligible that it doesn't matter.
>>28458834
> so a small pickup needs to get the same mileage as a sedan, only way that's gonna happen is with a hybrid system.
Wrong fucking again. You people are so fucking stupid when it comes to hybrids. Just look at Toyota's SUV hybrids. They don't even come close to the sedan's mileage because the powertrain is not the fucking same hybrid system. Even look at the hybrid Tacoma's. They get DOGSHIT mileage still with hybrid system because the goal isn't to increase mileage. Holy fucking shit this board is so fucking dumb.

>>28458534
>thread for normal trucks
>still brings up the gay unprompted
>someone does this practically every thread for normal american trucks
I understand not liking them but this is nearing rent free.

>>28465191
The Frontier is as small as is practical for a pickup. After that you start running into issues, and the capacity for work is diminished to the point where you should just get a sxs.

>>28465706
The compact truck is not for small work trucks anon, it is the CUV market

>>28465706
>enters the "small pickup" thread
>"SMALL PICKUPS ARE TOO SMALL FOR ME"

Ok so buy one of the 10 million gigahuge trucks already on the market.

>>28465729
I have driven, and used small trucks like the og ranger and frontier on a farm my entire life. I've done countless chores with them, towed loads too heavy for them, and thrown everything you can think of in the bed. I am pretty damn confident that I have used these small trucks for just about any task you would realistically use them for. And I am telling you from experience that there is a point where the vehicle gets too small. If either of the ranger or frontier were smaller they couldn't haul a sxs or a dirt bike, they couldn't safely haul whatever lumber you need even for a small project. And the load capacity would be a joke.

I like small trucks, they are easy to get around in, and I'd rather have a light truck day to day then a 1/2 ton when in town. However "trucks" like this aren't trucks. They are toys for hipsters, and suburbinite fags. Too small and unibody pieces of crap.

>>28464576
You didn't read everything nigger.

>>28466212
did u reply to the wrong post mouth breathing pavement ape

Why are you guys so upset about this truck? A lot of people buy and love the Maverick, and many of them specifically chose the hybrid model.

>>28466469
Nobody is upset... It's you shills getting upset when people point out the better options available. Also nobody buys the hybrids Mavericks. I've seen like 3 of them. 95% of them are fully loaded AWD's which sticker at half ton prices which is really fucking dumb.

>>28466077
Well this is the "they're finally building a small truck again!" thread buddy
If a small truck is too small for you, go post in the "they already build a gorillion large trucks!" thread

>>28464555
ah yes but an EV is yet even harder to roll over so clearly it's the mostsest bestest right??

>>28466551
>I've seen
Anecdotal nonsense from a retarded nigger

>>28465272
>you're not understanding this. It's the same fucking emissions. A MHEV, which is what all of the non-sedan Hybrids from Toyota are, does not help with emissions. It's so fucking negligible that it doesn't matter.

>the average emissions of passenger cars and light SUVs is 149.5g/km, while for hybrids it's 103g/km and plug-ins it’s 51g/km.

>noooo don't reduce emissions by 44% noooo

lmao you stupid fuck it's literally how car manufacturers work

>Currently companies with fleet-wide average emissions over the EU’s target are liable to pay up to €95 ($165) per gram over on every vehicle sold.

and they just held off lowering the emissions again. If they went of figures i posted above thats 4400 euros per car just going to fines

I'm actually waiting for 2026 Maverick orders to open up so I can order a XL Hybrid with 4k tow and AWD packages and nothing else. I plan to put bigger AT tires on it to lift it a tiny amount, a tonneau cover, and then proceed to do with it what most people do with their vehicles - drive to work. I might throw fishing shit in the bed and other camping toys, occasionally might remove the tonneau cover the odd time I need to move bigger things.

I'm literally cross shopping against hobo ass shit like hybrid civic and corolla cross etc since they are nearly the same price. If I'm paying this much for a new vehicle it's going to be as useful as possible and get 40mpg+.

I've driven a Honda accord for 13 years and the ONLY time I've used my trunk is to move big things that are more suited to be thrown in a truck bed. Usually when I'm getting groceries or whatever the shit they're put in the back seat not the trunk, so things stay more put. I already drive up dirt roads slowly to get to lakes in my accord, it would be a lot more comfortable with a Maverick's +3 inches of clearance.

Maverick curb weight is 3600lbs, while Tacoma is 4600lbs, Frontier is 4700lbs. Yet the Maverick has roughly the same sized interior space of both vehicles.

Toyota will release a RAV4 with a bed. The Maverick is already a Ford Escape with a bed and the Hyundai Santa Cruz is a Tuscon with a bed.

>>28466767
Also like to add to this: 4k of towing capacity is JUST ENOUGH to comfortably tow a small travel trailer with a basic kitchen, shitter and shower. Can't do that with the civic or SUVs. Don't need a 15mpg truck for that.

>>28466773
that's 4k lb right? if so...holy fuck the ford falcon has some pretty beefy towing capability
>5000 lb braked towing

>>28466565
You are illiterate.

>>28466767
That's how I use this retard. I'd get a hybrid Maverick in the future if they every give it a roof rail and the ability to fold the back seat down to extend the bed length like the Baja.

>>28467244
>I'd get a hybrid Maverick in the future if they every give it a roof rail and the ability to fold the back seat down to extend the bed length like the Baja.
Get an Avalanche, it has the ability. Baja cannot compete. Or its modern electric iteration Silverado, but I cannot vouch for that one.

>>28467262
I would if I also didn't already have a fuckhuge trugg that gets 13 mpg. Avalanches are awesome. I would like that configurable interior/bed of the avalanche in a high empeegee poverty vehicle as a daily. I don't know how the Maverick fucked up so hard when the hacked up Outback Subaru Baja woukd let you put a kayak on the roof and fishing rods in the bed.

>>28458198 (OP)
>Toyota’s data shows it could sell 100,000 to 150,000 compact trucks a year in the U.S. alone
Lol
Lmao
Ridgeline and Santa Cruz never hit 100k per year combined let alone 150k each. Maverick only does 150k per year because it's Ford. They should have learned by now no one wants trucks that aren't American.

>>28467323
>They should have learned by now no one wants trucks that aren't American.
Ah yes, that's why Tacomas notoriously don't hold their value forever, because nobody wants them

>>28467326
oh you mean the Tacoma that survives solely on heritage and the new gen is tanking so hard the last year was the worst year it had in the last 10 years? And why did you only mention the trains l Tacoma and not the tundra that gets outsold by the F150 5:1?

>>28467311
>I would like that configurable interior/bed of the avalanche in a high empeegee poverty vehicle as a daily.
It seems that engineering and producing a truck with such features costs significant amount of money and other resources (even body on frame, unibodies probably cost extra) while having limited success on the market, so you probably won't see that in a poverty vehicle. I mean, they reused all the midgate and bed-specific parts upgrading the Avalanche to 2nd gen around 2006, that was even before the crisis hit.

>>28467339
>whataboutism
try again sweaty

>>28467339
>In 2024, the Toyota Tacoma sold 192,813 units in the United States, a 17.9% decrease from the 234,768 units sold in 2023. Despite the drop, the Tacoma remained the top-selling midsize pickup truck, outperforming competitors like the Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon, which together sold over 136,000 units. The sales decline was largely attributed to a challenging generational changeover, as Toyota transitioned to the redesigned 4th-generation Tacoma, impacting production and availability early in the year. Sales rebounded strongly in Q4 2024, though competitors like Chevy, Ford, and GMC showed faster growth in the midsize truck segment.
Still better than nigger built American trucks

>>28467350
Aren't they wetback-built? Formerly nigger-built too.

>>28466773
A 4k max tow means you shouldn't really be towing more than 2k lbs. Good luck finding a relevant travel trailer that weighs 2k lbs.

The slate truck is gonna kill the Maverick and what ever shit Toyota puts out

>>28471172
That's right anon. Hold onto that hope and pre-order. You'll get more than a 3D render of your truck some day, and it'll be perfect. Then you can post pictures all over /o/ to prove you aren't retarded after all. Just be patient, and trust the plan.

>>28458204
>Ruined

Normally I'd agree but Toyota hybrid driver trains are solid