Why are normies so incapable of maintaining their cars? People can hardly change their oil at reasonable intervals, never mind change their coolant, ATF, grease components etc. Basically any car not owned by a boomer is a total gamble on whether or not it’s 100K mi overdue on basic fluids. Can’t even look to new cars as a way to avoid this since they’re total garbage.

tehy dont read the manual

>>28459564 (OP)
because faggot shops charge out the ass for simple shit like a transmission oil change
$40 in labor for engine oil, but a transmission oil change costs $150 for some fucking reason

name one car that normies buy that's worth maintaining?

>>28459572
Transmission shop near me is asking $550… No wonder i’ve never truly seen an engine failure kill a car, just transmissions.

>>28459564 (OP)
You've never put off doing your chores before? That's what maintenance is to a normie.

>>28459573
even enthusiast owners don’t know to change ATF for example, Ford tells mustang owners that ATF is lifetime and faggots actually follow such guidance. i’ve had a corvette die this way due to the previous owner’s neglect

>>28459578
skill issue
only buy from dumb seniors who dealer maintained

>>28459564 (OP)
Because things are not painful enough yet.

The normie treats everything as disposable. His body, his relationships, his housing... So why not a car also?

Why learn how to take care of the car? It's probably debtMAXX'd at 29%APR until the WARRANTY runs out. If something breaks its "under wArrAnTY"

The truth is these kinds of people and kinds of thinking only exist when things are easy. If car prices suddenly rose to $1,000,000 overnight the party can't go on. Anyone who has one would baby the shit out of it to make it last. Probably wound not be able to afford to finance another one also.

>>28459579
And what, only buy Buicks and Corvettes?

>>28459584
yes?
and pickups.
pickups are modern day caddies

>>28459575
jebus

>>28459564 (OP)
Mechanics are doing a good job with gatekeeping their trade. They make basic maintenance seem cryptic and complicated to deter you.
Also in general there are high risks associated with fucking up.
Only reason I started wrenching is because almost everytime I'd take my car or bike to a shop there would be something wrong with it (engine cover rattling, misaligned chain, etc...).
Tools are expensive and you're fucked if you don't have a garage or driveway.

>>28459590
I don’t know where it is you live but the geriatrics most definitely do not drive pick ups. The wiggers and overcompensating IT folk have that on lock.

>>28459596
wealthy businessmen always have a pickup in their fleet

>>28459594
>Mechanics are doing a good job with gatekeeping their trade.
Are all of you fucking retarded? Mechanics gatekeeping stuff on a car they didn't make and have ZERO input on how its made?

Sounds like you're a bunch of jerkoffs upset mechanics charge appropriately for having the tools and knowledge to complete the job quickly while you have no fucking idea what to do and are too scared to find the correct bolt to spin.

>>28459564 (OP)
Normies spend 30k on something they don't care about. Very hard to understand for me.

>>28459578
>Ford tells mustang owners that ATF is lifetime
Same with the ZF8 in the Challenger. I tried to get it done at the 60K service but the dealer fought me tooth and nail so it's still not done because now I've gotta find an independent shop that's worth a shit and that's not so easy to do.

>>28459564 (OP)
Why bother, every time it needs an new inspection sticker get a full service, car gets picked up courtesy car gets left behind car gets dropped off, wala

>>28459675
What?

>>28459615
t. spic with an ancient silverado that shills trucks on /o/ non-stop

>>28459657
Go to a shop that specializes in German cars. Really. Just use google and yekp reviews to find a good one

>>28459594
>They make basic maintenance seem cryptic and complicated to deter you.
>Also in general there are high risks associated with fucking up.
You contradict yourself with that last sentence. That is the cryptic and scary part that deters your typical normalgroid. The fear that they will do something wrong and ruin their car.

>>28459762
kek this is how you get raped even harder than at a dealer

>>28459575
Modern transmissions' fluid changes are bullshit, they need special software, a full post lift, and are still somehow too dumb to calculate "you didn't put enough in, add 50ml" or "you put too much in, siphon out 50ml" and instead expect you to just redo the whole procedure. It's ridiculous that you can't just drain, fill, and go like with engine oil

>>28459572
$40 labor for an oil change is pretty based, at least at the dealer because the car is lifted into the air and you get inspected for anything else fucked up, as expensive as service is, it's still making more sense to fix a vehicle as long as it still runs and isn't rusting to bits, but the problem is like >>28459582 said, as long as they can kinda sorta swing a car payment every 7 years to get another car, it doesn't make sense for them to fix anything, the real struggle happens when the economy collapses, and the debt subsidized "middle class" can no longer borrow money to be middle class, and are basically stuck having to maintain what they've got.

Imagine being this gay. TDI just works with 18k mi oil changes. Coolant does not go bad LOL. You will never hypermile you just autistically replace fluids FoR NOTHING.

>>28459942
>18K oil changes
>on an engine that BLACKS it's oil in 5 minutes due to the amount of carbon being put into the oil
Anon...

>>28459582
But everything is disposable. Even people. You must know that.

>>28459564 (OP)
Everything is seen in terms of monthly payments. If it isn't included in that budget then it's a financial burden for most people.

$100 for an oil change when the cats runs just fine? That's almost a third of the cost of the car! (When viewed in terms of a monthly expense)

Once you realize this you'll understand how people are poor in America.

>>28460436
This, it's also a short sighted mindset that's an epidemic among a massive chunk of the population, they live life a month at a time, they're not thinking "where do I wanna be over 30 years from now", they think "well the car fits in my monthly budget, so it's good" and they're perfectly content buying brand new economy cars that implode in value and repeat the process their entire lives.

Most people are straight up pound foolish when it comes to cars, they will spend a dollar buying a brand new car to save a nickel as long as they don't have to fix brakes and suspension on a car with miles on it to keep it going for another long while. and not have massive amounts of depreciation on what is basically an appliance car.

>>28460386
>everything is disposable. Even people.

Maybe for you.

>>28459739
ZF8 is in a lot of euroslop. Stellantis is european and thus their americars have the ZF8 too.

i have no place to work on my car. and i don't want to learn. 80 bucks for someone to do my synthetic oil and for them to dispose my oil for me is alright with me. i don't drive a lot so it's only an annual expense.

>>28460386
Dispose yourself, then.

It's pointless.
>Try to follow some sort of maintenance schedule
>Replace things as they break
>It's still problem after problem
>Friend has the biggest shitbox
>Doesn't do a single thing. Not even oil
>Turns on every time
>Heat and AC work great
>Doesn't make a squeak or anything
Whether you have a long lasting car or not is completely up to RNG.

I am a mechanic by training (aircraft and automotive) and yet I can't seem to maintain any of my vehicles. Although that could have something to do with having too many cars and trucks all but one of which are old.

>>28461411
Don't mind him anon, he'll probably crash due to lack of brakes or some suspension shit like a ball joint failing and his car falls on the floor at 70 mph, that's the thing about cats, stuff totally works, until it doesn't totally work and you just did more damage crashing, overheating, or otherwise ruining the car in some fucked up way when he could've maintained the fluids and whatever else, and been problem free.

>>28459578
>enthusiast
>ATF
kek you're an idiot

>>28461623
Been there, you need to cut away the excess, and have two or three that you focus on.
Making enough money to field out some work helps. Unless you're using your A&P to do GA shit, you're probably making okay money stacking brake discs or replacing O2 candles.

>>28461700
Automatically are faster than any manualfag's shifting, anon.

>>28459564 (OP)
Its annoying and stupid. Thats why EVs are superior.

>>28459564 (OP)
>Can’t even look to new cars as a way to avoid this since they’re total garbage.
Sounds like you don't know how to maintain a car.

>be me
>boomer dad's car passed 100k km
>tell him he should get the gearbox serviced with the next engine service
>'but muh cars gearbox oil is lifetime'
>ask him what he and volvo see as 'lifetime'
>can't answer
>mfw
How do i stop this retard from fucking up this car

>>28461792
Ask him if he plans to sell it when its outside of warranty. Move on from there.

>>28459564 (OP)
because nobody teaches them about it

>>28459594
>Tools are expensive and you're fucked if you don't have a garage or driveway
this.

>>28459564 (OP)
imagine you're a city slicker who lives in an apartment and owns 3(three) screwdrivers, total, and you're thinking that maybe you should change your oil yourself

you don't have any tools, in fact you don't even know exactly what you need. you're vaguely aware that the process involves a wrench (or several?) and you should probably try to look for a service manual of some sort. but when you try to find it, you're greeted by infinity SEO sites with hazy screenshots of russian pdfs that are asking for 30-50bucks for what they promise is an actual manual

so then you try youtube, and some soiboi shows the process(after advertising liquid molly and asking you to subscribe), but he has a fucking 2 post lift and a liquid catcher and 7 cabinets full of tools. he shows you the appropriate wrenches and sockets and extensions and what oil filter you need, but where the fuck do you even get those things and how much do they cost? do they come in a set? how much is that?
then he tells you home many footpounds/Nm to torque the drain and the filter and the cap with, so now you realize that aside from all the rest, you also need a special torque wrench, which apparently is a thing

so you do some prelim research and some math and you realize that between buying the jacks and stands, buying the sockets, buying the torque wrench and the manuals, you're basically looking at 200-300+ just to do this fucking oil change

and then you realize that you also don't have the space, unless you're willing to do all this stuff in your apt. garage or out on the street(you're not), you don't have any clothes you're willing to get dirty(how hard is it to get engine oil out of some levis? will it fuck up the washing machine?), you don't know what the fuck to do with the old oil and oil filter (probably a not a good idea to dump them in the shitter?)

so, in the end, you call the dealership.

>>28461866
>imagine you're a city slicker who lives in an apartment
Kek that's literally me but I skipped all the fuckery and went straight to stealership

>>28461866
Thats me but i have a wrist that can unscrew the filter and a tub to pour the oil in. Most people just dont want to waste their time.

>>28459572
>but a transmission oil change costs $150
in what, 1965? Its easily $1000 now depending on the car

>>28461785
Reading comprehension, anon. Buying 0w8 accepting pieces of shit isn’t a solution to the fact that used cars aren’t maintained.

>>28460349
Carbon is a lubricant :)

>>28461792
Manual volvo oils are lifetime

This means even million kilometer plus.

>>28461792
you cant, see >>28461888. This retardation is invincible

>>28459657
Local shop and Pacific performance engineering transmission pan.
T. Has a ram with the zf8 speed

>>28459572
look at the procedure on changing transmission oil on many modern transmissions before talking like you know shit

>>28459572
Transmission oil is a single guy 30 minute job?

>>28459564 (OP)
Because they see cars as an appliance no different to their TV, washing machine, fridge or phone.

>>28463327
That's all well and good, but if that microwave is the thing carrying your ass to where ever you need to go to make money, you should kinda oil the thing and do maintenance if something comes up.

>>28459657
Just do it your fucking self my god. Oh wow a pan drop and a pressure pump with a fitting whoaoaoaoaoa

>>28463463
kindly refer to >>28461866

>>28463563
>skill issue
I changed 3 of my cars' transmission fluids in an apartment parking lot and had no tools prior

>>28459657
i've done it, it's very easy
it's literally just a pan drop and refill, the pan is the filter, and you can get valvoline maxlife compatible with zf lifegard at walmart
it's like maybe 200 for the whole job.
also i changed mine at 180k and it came out crystal clear so make of that what you will

>>28459615
>>local Small business owners

>>28459831
>> are still somehow too dumb to calculate "you didn't put enough in, add 50ml" or "you put too much in, siphon out 50ml" and instead expect you to just redo the whole procedure. It's ridiculous that you can't just drain, fill, and go like with engine oil


Just check the transmission oil dip stick.
It’s that simple.

>>28459564 (OP)

>>28463327
So why do they spend 50k instead of just getting the cheapest thing from ikea like they do for everything else.

>>28464983
I dont think any car has had one since 2015 at the latest

>>28463313
yes.
most manuals have a very clear drain and full plug. there is no filter, and nothing extra to do.
drain and fill.
still quotes $200+

>>28459564 (OP)
>Basically any car not owned by a boomer is a total gamble on whether or not it’s 100K mi overdue on basic fluids
lmao, just bought a car from a boomer. the car is 15 years old with 100k miles and had the factory fucking air filter (with manufacturer date stamp matching the month the car left the factory)

>>28465287
Kek, the duality of boomer is either the most meticulous motherfucker or someone who gives absolutely no fucks.