I want one and they are getting to be pretty cheap on the used market
I know there are a couple people here who have them, so what are they like to live with?
I heard you should avoid the earlier years due to electrical issues but ive also heard those have mostly been ironed out with software updates. Is that true?
Is it even worth picking a non QV up?
What are some things one should know before buying one of these?

>>28460906 (OP)
>what are they like to live with
they're what bmw should have become but pussied out on, great around town suspension and good track suspension when you throw it in a sportier drive mode. steering and chassis dynamics are the stand out point of the car, the motor options are good but not the real reason to buy it
>I heard you should avoid the earlier years due to electrical issues but ive also heard those have mostly been ironed out with software updates. Is that true?
not on the older cars. the electrical issues were a combination of shitty relays and an incredible shitty battery. Replace the six relays in the passenger wheel well and you're generally good forever, the water pump relay is particularly notorious. There's plenty of videos on how to do this.
>Is it even worth picking a non QV up?
yes, definitely. Lighter weight and you can boost the 2L to the fucking stars, it will take over 30psi stock off a piggyback before throwing the first code. If you get the AWD model that translates to approximately 4 second 0-60.
>What are some things one should know before buying one of these?
very picky about needing SP spec oil. SN+ absolute minimum. The interior will develop rattles which can be remedied by cloth tape on the inside of the b pillars, or worst case scenario by taping up speaker wires behind the door cards. 2020+ gets carplay/android auto, pre-2020 gets twitchier, livelier steering
you absolutely positively want one with a LSD, and you can paste the vin after https://www.chrysler.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin= to check if it has one

>>28460906 (OP)
>I heard you should avoid the earlier years due to electrical issues
This is just batteries going bad. Get a Lifepo4 battery and/or keep your battery new and it's apparently not an issue. I've been in a 2017 and a 2024, and FWIW I liked the analog gauge cluster in the 2017 much more. Otherwise not a huge difference, although 2020+ cars got nerfed steering (still felt better than BMW to me), and some markets got monster truck lift kits in 2018 (can be fixed under recall).
Parts are dirt cheap, so I almost want to stock up on engines and shit, but it's probably cheaper to just buy a second car ($10k here for 2017 model years).

>>28460906 (OP)
>so what are they like to live with?
Like an Italian 3 Series, but less fat and better handling. Double bone front, multilink rear, and optional adaptive dampers and LSD are some of it's more "enthusiast focused" party tricks. Even the earlier models can be optioned with adaptive cruise, blind spot, lane departure warning and all the annoying nannies you shouldn't care about (but that nu-car buyers do, adaptive cruise is nice thoughbeit)
>I heard you should avoid the earlier years due to electrical issues
Second most of what >>28460933 says, any issue with the earlier years is solved with a new battery and at worst by having a few spare relays around. Carplay did come about for 2018 models however, and can be added in 2017s with an aftermarket module. Earlier years did have shittier panoramic roof parts that fail, it's an expensive dealer fix but not an impossible DIY if you're not a wrenchlet.
>Is it even worth picking a non QV up?
If you can swing for a QV, you should. Ferrari-derived motor and all that. A non-QV with the sport package still makes an excellent daily driver at a fraction of the price however. With a piggyback tune on one, you're looking at a sub 5 second 0-60 from a car that can still hit ~37mpg on an extended highway cruise if you stay out of boost. Impressive for what it is IMO, but if you're looking to build a rocket for highway racing I'd look at something different (I have a V8 AMG for that).
>What are some things one should know before buying one of these?
Different years have different suspension heights for some reason. 2017s were low, 2018s sat higher, and I think they found a middle ground after. Cooling system also has some plastic screws that commonly fail, you're going to want to upgrade those to metal before you get a scare from burning coolant.
Try to snag one that's still from a single owner with some history before they start reaching neglectful owners and you should be fine, there are some with 150-200k+ already.

>>28460906 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1gSLGVufSLxS

>>28460993
Adaptive cruise is GAY as FUCK bullshitthoughever

>>28460993
>different suspension heights for some reason
Apparently the 2017s were scraping and customers complained, so they raised in 2018 which made the cars bouncy at high speeds, then lowered it back down after that and offered 2018 buyers replacement springs.

>>28460906 (OP)
Bro. Nobody is buying these pasta burners second/third/fourth hand.
stop shilling for this shit and buy a real car.
goddams

>>28460999
>beancounter old-man-appeasement trips of truth

>>28460906 (OP)
Do you why lexus from 2012 is 2 times more expensive than bmw from 2012 ?

Because 2012 bmw are unreliable. (Do you mean what I mean ? )

>>28460906 (OP)
Here they hold on to their price pretty strongly. The only way you could spend less than 30k on one is if it already driven more than 170k kms