Thread 28464762

>>28464762 (OP)
>slow
>GTS objectively worse than an SI
>tach font
>hood scoop

>>28464762 (OP)
Cool GT-R

>>28464762 (OP)
I can respect it for what it is, now that fat cuckovers have replaced the idea of making sporty coupes on econocar platforms

the secret to toyota's reputation for engine reliability is that their engines are all comically underpowered, and this car is no exception
it also just looks bad and overstyled, like a civic type r from the 2000s

wrong wheel drive, styling writing checks its ass can't cash

>>28464762 (OP)
I didn't hate it I was just wished it faster

>>28464791
Well good news there's barely any 2ZZGE cars left. They all either broke oil pumps, spun bearings, or blew headgaskets. Those Celicas really weren't cars that were built to last.

>>28464762 (OP)
I like it. Very fun to drive and not really as slow as people make out. Handles great and honestly has tons of cargo room, more than most cars, so its very practical.
Shit's dirt cheap just because its underrated. Should have gotten a bigger aftermarket but the owners were always too down on it. Can be boosted pretty good.
People who blame it for the end of the gt4 are retarded, the reason there was no gen 7 gt4 is because of all the cheating done with the gen 6.

>>28464836
The only way you'd break any of that shit is if you boosted the fuck out of it without upgrading any internals. Its rock solid for regular use, more so than the 1zz anyway.

>>28464791
understressed engines that can run forever, mmm. burgers and nips can relate

Ugly. Slow. Gay.

>>28464762 (OP)
That is Fagmobile incarnate, a better question is why do you like it?

>>28464841
>not really as slow as people make out

Zero to 60 mph: 7.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 19.9 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 92 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 129 mph

>>28464870
Thats not really slow.
The car has lift for no other reason than to be fun. It has all its power in the top end for the same reason.
>But muh stats
Yea, it costs fuck all, is good to drive and looks cool. You're not a race car driver so who cares.

>>28464870
Those stats are not correct

>>28464843
Explain why the 2ZZGE cars are nearly extinct 20 years later. I have a easier time finding even MR2 Spyders and every other car from that era. The only 2ZZ cars you still see on the road are automatics that maybe hit lift twice a year.

>>28464765
>GTS objectively worse than an SI
>180hp 130tq 6spd vs 160hp 100tq 5spd
Did you mean subjectively?

>>28464909
Assuming you're american its probably because they sold way more 1zz celicas, and neither car was that popular to begin with. The other cars with it were even more niche.
1zz actually had more issues, particularly pre 2003. After that its not bad.
In my country they only sold the 2zz and they're not very rare.

>>28464762 (OP)
I don't hate it, I hate the owners who have trashed them all.

>>28464885
Lol.
>>28464895
Lmao.

>>28464918
The 2ZZs weren't built for abuse and even though they did sell more 1ZZ cars, the amount of 2ZZ cars on the road has dropped every year to the point that they're nearly extinct on the road.

Like I said, I see more 1ZZ MR2 Spyders on the road and for sale. More Lancer Ralliarts and SVT Focus even. Whenever I do see Celica GTSs for sale theyre either automatic or need a engine.

>>28464762 (OP)
>Why does /o/ hate it?

FWD. I don't hate it but as with the Scion TC which followed in its footsteps its separated from greatness by front wheel drive.

I'm fine with the engine being meh so long as its reliable and tunable; but there's no fixing FWD.

>>28464911
I think he was referring to an EP3 civic
>>28464909
>Explain why this poster child of the underground tuner culture era barely exists anymore
Same reason why the SVT focus, gen 1&2 eclipses and early 00's civic SIs are hard to find, they're fun cheaper cars that got thrashed to death

>>28464841
>handles great
FWD transverse engine car handles great sure

>>28465441
It does yea

>>28464836
>weren't built to last
My Celica has 290k and I daily it. How much does your shitbox have?
It's literally a Corolla coupe. It will last as long as Corollas from same years, which is way longer than most vehicles.

>>28465979
>My Celica
Stopped reading

>>28464762 (OP)
because it's built like a widebody prius without the hybrid tech to dab on 86 cucks

ugly as shit while previous gen was peak toyota

>>28465986
WTF that's kind of cool

>>28464836
i just passed 200k on my corolla with a 2zzge and its running just fine. sounds like a (you) problem

>>28465982
dumb nigger can barely read to begin with

>no turbo
>FWD
>pigfat even for the '90s
>slow

>>28464762 (OP)
It looks like the tuner car version of when corporations try to use memes to be kewl.

>>28466022
you would be better off riding the bus than driving that pile of shit kek

>>28465991
The previous gen is the ugliest by far

>>28466030
It weighs under 1200kg

>>28465986
How the fuck do aftermarket companies make the blandest Toyotas look like fucking supercars with just a simple body kit? What if toyota made something slightly less tryhard than this at $35k with a 4cylinder that could take about 15psi of boost easily?

>>28466030
>90s
that gen is a 2000s car

>>28465986
>>28466123
I'm afraid Toyota will copy and paste these normie C headlights on all their upcoming cars including Supra, Celica and MR2

>>28464762 (OP)
dis my box

>>28466632
>dis my box
That's a car

>>28466055
I don't live near anywhere that has buses city shitter, enjoy your niggers and pajeets neighbors

>>28466632
M8 it's not even blocky it's round

No rally pedigree

>>28466747
i think he meant shitbox (affectionately)

I don't get why this was such a controversial look.

>>28464870
i got my celica to 145mph on the autobahn. i don't think 129 mph is accurate.

>>28465441
they do handle exceptionally well. this is proof you've never driven one and are mindlessly hating. if fwd was so bad for handling then honda would not make the type R fwd.

>>28464836
the 2zz-ge is an incredibly reliable engine. you must be confusing it with the 2zz-fe.

>>28466030
2600lbs is pigfat? what? are you retarded?

>>28467243
what

>>28467251
wrong file

>>28467264
very well then

>>28465986
How much of that car's volume is just fibreglass

>>28464762 (OP)
140hp in most trims. Corolla-based platform with ricey bodywork. Transmission is more fragile than the RAV4 and Camry boxes that shipped in the same year. FWD-only, AWD was dropped.
The 180hp trim has the 1.8L 2ZZ-GE, which explodes its oil pump if you rev it out too much, and has much less tuning potential than a B18 or K20 due to low displacement and undersquare design.

Theres no winning with this car.

>>28464993
The last-gen TCs actually came with good engines and gearboxes, 2AZ was a bum ass engine.

>>28464870
>Top speed (redline limited): 129 mph
in 4th? lol no y2k-era car has gearing that short.

>>28468786
Not enough

>>28464762 (OP)
I like them, they're cute.

>>28469504
The oil pump explodes if you money shift it. I don't see that as a genuine issue. Just don't do it.

>>28466123
>15psi of boost
why specifically 15? that's fuck all.

>>28464993
Scion tCs are too top heavy and handle/feel like minivans. So it's actually a worse Toyota Sienna

>>28464762 (OP)
I thought they looked cool at the time. I still think they look cool. Everyone ragged on them for being slow, but I was still driving an Naz31 at the time that was way slower.

>>28464805
>styling writing checks its ass can't cash
womp womp, sad but true

>>28470164
Eww zoomoid

>>28469570
Or, god forbid you raise the rev limit to try and... god, tune it?

>>28464762 (OP)
Because its called a celica. If it wasnt called a celica it would have been a well regarded economy-friendly little coupe for the beginner enthusiast or discerning 40 year old man who needs something practical and fuel efficient but still wants to have a little fun.

>>28471708
If you're gonna start modifying the engine just put in a stronger oil pump.

>>28467264
>automatic convertible
How old was the woman you bought it off?

I like mine.
I'd like to get a supercharger for it one day. 300 to 350 whp celica would be cool and unique I think.

>>28469504
this is all mostly false. i wonder if celica haters are just criminally misinformed. there are 3-4 trims. the GT (shit), GT-S (decent), GT-S tsunami edition if you count body kits as a separate trim, and the TRD edition which was pretty rare. the GT was total shit. it should have never been made. it was underpowered, commonly came in automatic only, and before 2003 they had an issue with burning oil due to incorrect piston ring specs from the factory. the transmissions are rock solid. for manuals, the gearboxes are very durable too. the oil pump gears only explode if you downshift at a stupid high RPM (forced over-rev), and only the pump gears blow. this cannot happen from normal revving. it's pretty typical for owners who track their cars to replace the pump gears because of this. the tuning potential is very high but it's sketchy as the motor has a nearly 12:1 compression ratio. i personally would never put any boost on it.

your only valid points were low tuning potential and fwd being the only option.

>>28464805
it was intentionally designed to simply look fast. the televised ads only marketed the looks of the car which should be proof enough. by no means is anyone trying to race a 1.8L 192hp car.

>>28465388
>SVT Focus
Fuck me, forgot about that one

>>28464762 (OP)
It's not an American car

>>28479168
https://youtu.be/8O8LhjuHymE
I wouldn't count a terrible marketing campaign that reads like a back handed insult against the car. Toyota just fucked up.
>>28479163
The tsunami is actually the rarest, only sold in japan and canada and in limited numbers, hard to even find replicas of it.
It can take boost pretty well https://youtu.be/kmBK8UFJXik,
I'm not sure what people do about the transmission, afaik its the main limiting factor but people still run 500 hp 2zzs somehow.