should i buy a nazi car if i cant charge it at home?

uber driver told me charging his model 3 at shopping centers once a week was "miserable"

is it really that bad?

(own my unit but they're being faggots about installing chargers here)

>>28465014 (OP)
That's a pajeet car

If you can have 240v at home than you can charge at home.
Slow but survivable unless you need to drive 300 miles a day.

>>28465020
not a chance i can get one installed at home, people who run the place have rejected 3 requests so far for ev chargers.

my space is also more difficult, only one not on the side of the fire door that has all the electrical access, not a chance it's going in....

>>28465025
Excuses, excuses, try charging in the street and running a cable.
desu petrol only here unless someone nukes this area.

>>28465014 (OP)
>uber driver told me charging his model 3 at shopping centers once a week was "miserable"
Uber drivers also do nothing but drive all day. I really doubt you hit 500km a week. Most people do maybe 10-20% of that in a week. And Tesla has superchargers which fills up really quickly for fairly cheap.

>>28465036
I know a chap that only free charged both of his Leaf 1 and 2 generation.
Supermarket only and both bought new.
Some gamers are good.

>>28465036
I'll fill you up really quickly for cheap

>>28465039
Don't project your molested niece experiences on me.

It is miserable. And expensive. The sole reason to have one is to use energy of cheap night hours and avoid the petrol jew.

>>28465028
Thats illegal

>>28465014 (OP)
Not viable to charge it somewhere other than home. You can't sit in it while charging, you'll cook every organ in your body.

>>28465014 (OP)
You can but it depends on how much you drive. I've been thinking of selling my house and getting an apartment which would mean I couldn't charge my Model S anymore. But also my commute would drop from 35 miles a day to less than 10. So if a 50% charge is good for about 150 miles, then I would only need to sit at the supercharger for 15 minutes every other weekend. That's not to bad. Superchargers also have free wifi so you can watch youtube or netflix while you're charging, or download the latest ota update. So it's definitely viable.
But that's me in my situation. If you drive 50 miles a day then that would suck because you're charging twice a week and the time lost stacks up

>>28465014 (OP)
do you have access to a 110v wall outlet? you can charge off that. it won’t be enough but it will cut down on how often you have to go to a supercharger.

>>28465014 (OP)
>should i buy an eee-v--
no

An EV should only be considered if you own a home with off street parking, and have solar, or maybe if your work provides free charging or something.
Paying regular charging rates at a charging station defeats the purpose of an EV. I did the math and (for me) charging an EV at home using my solar would get me the equivalent cost of about $1 per 100kms.
If you don't have your own home with off street parking and solar, get a hybrid, or a plug in hybrid.

In the end for me after over a year of considerations I ended up with a hybrid Corolla Cross, I just wasn't satisfied with current EVs (quality, price, features, """safety""" features, resale value, current battery technology, etc) I'm hoping in about 5 years time there might be better options for me in the EV world, or even plug in hybrids, but at this exact moment in time it wasn't right for me. I hear the next Rav 4 will offer a plug in, so it will be interesting to see how Toyota applies that to the rest of the range, and how prices change over the years.

>>28465301
>and have solar
Depends heavily on your utility. Mine charges negative rates at night so I would get paid to charge an EV overnight. Even at peak times it's still only like $.05/KWh so still it doesn't really cost anything to charge the car. My solar mostly gets used to run the AC during the day.
>I hear the next Rav 4 will offer a plug in
This is already available in the Rav4 Prime, they are pretty rare and expensive though.

>>28465307
>This is already available in the Rav4 Prime
Oh neat, I didn't know there was already one out somewhere. We don't get them in my country yet (Australia), but it's been all but confirmed that the next generation will offer it.
We don't currently get any plug-in Toyotas here, they don't sell the Prius here anymore either.

>>28465020
You can charge off 120V at home too. The average american drives 37 miles a day and charging for 12 hours overnight will replenish that even with just 120V. If you need more for a longer trip, there are always said public fast chargers. That would be beyond plenty for me given my commute is a whopping 5 miles one way.

>>28465014 (OP)
Of course you should.

>>28465014 (OP)
>should i buy a nazi car if i cant charge it at home?
no.
unless you have some other convenient way to charge without wasting your time and patience. eg chargers at work or something.
and/or unless your commute is so short that you'd only need to charge like once a month or something.

>>28465025
>people who run the place have rejected 3 requests so far for ev chargers.
get together with them and sue the people who run the place.
blah blah blah, financial injury, blah blah, muh polar bears, blah

>>28465301
>Paying regular charging rates at a charging station defeats the purpose of an EV.
honestly, the issue is not the fueling cost math, its the inconvenience of wasting 20-30mins of your free time so frequently. even if you were paying charger prices, at worst you'd be breaking even with an efficient ICE in fueling costs, and you'd still benefit from not needing to maintain/repair an ICE powertrain. but fuck having to waste time at a charger 1/2/3 times per week.

Most work places offer charging at their parking spots. Surely you have that?

>>28465014 (OP)
>uver driver told me
discarded opinion.

>>28467156
"Most"? You really believe "most" places of employment offer EV charging?

>>28467201
Yes.

t. live in a first world country (not Amerifatistan)

>>28465014 (OP)
I personally would not, the whole fucking point is to save a shit ton of money on gas by charging at home where your electric rate is way cheaper than DC fast chargers. I pay 11 cents per kWh in SC and I only charge at home unless im driving super long distance and have to DC charge.

With DC fast charging it works out to like 35 mpg equivalent, with charging at home its over 105 mpg equivalent.

Although DC fast charging is pretty quick, personally I would find it very irritating to have to go there to charge often, what if you're at 30% and you want to go somewhere thats within the range but you dont want to get home with like 5%, now you gotta go charge, meanwhile im charging to 100% at home no fucks given every day. I have 300 miles of range every single day.

>>28467156
No, they dont lol where do you guys get this shit from?

Maybe they do in a few blue states where stuff like that is heavily subsidized but come to the South East and this is NOT the case at all, unless you work for like BMW or some massive company that has a token few chargers for the PR benefit, which will always be taken by some asswipe that shows up at 6AM each day.

Realistically if you cant charge at home just buy a gasoline hybrid vehicle. PHEV also does not make sense for someone who can not charge at home, so just get a Prius or something like that.

>>28465020
240v with 10 amps = 2.4Kwh so 8 hours of charge = ~20 kwh of battery. Thats around 70+ miles of range per night of charge.

With 120v, that is 1/2 that. So you only get ~35 miles per 8hr nightly charge. If you dont drive more than 30 miles per day, you never need to charge. If you do need to travel 100 miles one day but then only 30 miles for the next few weeks, then your home will charge it for you as you get more intake than outtake

>>28467401
1) cheapness at home
2) cheapness at night (public charging)
3) convenience of charging at home


>>28467408
I mean all you have to do is check your map to see if there are Tesla chargers or public chargers. If there are within 5 miles, then its a no brainer. Just go there every week or every other week, depending on how much you drive/what your range is

>>28467409
No one in the USA charges at 240 volts 10 amps, the minimum 240 volt setup is a 16 amp charger on a 20 amp breaker. But the vast majority of people have a 32 AMP-48 AMP 24 volt charger.

I have a 48 amp charger on a 60 amp breaker, so I get 11.5kW.

No one in the USA is charging at 10 amps 240 volt.

>>28467409
>8hr
except almost everyone will be at home for at least 12hrs, usually more
normal workday is 8hrs, add a couple more for commuting (which is a pretty long commute) and you're at 10. add a couple more for gym and groceries (which again is very pessimistic and won't be happening every day either) and its 12.

then also take into account that even if your daily 12hours of slow ass charging isn't quite enough to make up for the day's driving, it doesn't actually have to be. it just has to last you until the weekend, at which point you'll get 2 days without a commute and way more than 12 hours per day of charging, and you can fill up on charge.

and finally, imo this is all irrelevant. if you're a homeowner, its all easy. in the unlikely scenario where there is no outlet in your garage, you can get one installed. ditto if you have an outlet but its only a slow ass 110v. just get an electrician to upgrade it to a 240v.

>>28467422
Ehh, electric chargers can have different amps. I'm using using 10amp as conservative number since its a safe number that some chargers default. My app allows me to control mine from 8-16amp.

Still you get the point, even on a safe charging curve, you can thrive easily on 240v and even 110v can get your car topped off for most occassions without having to use public chargers. But the luxury only extends to those who CAN charge from home.

>>28465014 (OP)
going from 5% to 80% takes about 30 minutes at a supercharger and costs my about $15.

>I'm too poor for gas
probably shouldn't drive then, simple economics

>>28465014 (OP)
i actually saw a facelift model y today
i think it looks a lot better irl

>>28465014 (OP)
>cant charge it at home
No. Electric jew is even worse than gas jew, price gouging and public chargers in next level.
If you can charge at home it's best thing ever.