The best value 4 cylinder 4 door sedan sold today.
Change my mind.

>>28468838 (OP)
>4 cylinder
Who wants that shit? If your engine doesn’t have 8 cylinders it’s a household appliance. Might as well buy a riding mower and drive that around.

>>28468847
My current car does have 8 cylinders.
>Who wants that shit?
There's more to a car than just the engine. The WRX has AWD and a manual, which is pretty rare!

>>28468847
name 1 (one) manual V8 sedan sold new today besides the $100k Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing

>>28468875
Why do you need it brand new? You a faggot or something?

>>28468886
Because this thread is about new cars, fucktard

>>28468886
Why don't you have sex with a woman? You a faggot or something?

>>28468888
Buy better shit

>>28468888
Good quads goy.

>>28468891
Like what?

Is that why they shit themselves before 100k km when kids drive them? Boxer engine design is trash that literally rattles to death and oil starves going left
>inb4 "JuSt Do ThE m@iNtEnaNce" and the laundry list of """"reliability"""" cope mods

>>28468924
>engine shits itself when abused and neglected

Ahh that feel when bouncing off fuel cut on my EJ25 with ~150k miles and no leaks because I change my oil on time.

>>28468838 (OP)
>Change my mind.
have you seen the prices for the 2025 models?
the lowest trim is the same MSRP as the price I got my TR for

Giulia 2.0t

civic type r
gr corolla

>>28468978
inferior to the i30N/Elantra N
not a 4banger (and also inferior to the GR Yaris)

>>28468886
Why do you need a virgin wife, are you a faggot or something?
>>28468924
This is the prime example of dunning krueger effect. You think you know about subaru boxer engines, but theres so much you dont know
>>28468948
Yep, unfortunately subaru is done with the discounts and below MSRP sales it seems. Still under $40k though.
>>28468978
No FWD cars allowed and gr corolla has a 3 cylinder
>>28468950
What makes the giulia 2.0t better than 330i 2.0t?
If Im getting an automatic 4 cyl Id probably just get a 330i

>>28468997
>What makes the giulia 2.0t better than 330i 2.0t?
Actual leather instead of pleather/sensatec, better ergonomics, better steering, better suspension, better acceleration, parts commonality with jeeps, carbon driveshaft, optional geared lsd, lighter weight, doesn't look like a 3 series. BMW relies on being the default choice for people who want a nicer car than their previous Corolla/Malibu, not on engineering

>>28469003
Only issue i see is that its kind of small, back seats are unusable, compared to a 330i

>>28469012
backseats are for the dogs only

>>28468997
>330i 2.0t?
the absolute state of bmw

Elantra N is the best performance value on the market apart from the C8 Corvette

>>28469069
too bad its korean so it will fall apart in a year

>>28469012
Yeah the back seats are super cramped, the only time I use them is when I fold them down to put my bike in the back

>>28469094
warranty
and at least it's actually built in korea and not in the u.s. by some nigger

The VA was a great value because it started around 26k. The VB starts at over 37k now.
Thats more than the price of a 2020 STi when new, and they don't even give you the better transmission or diffs.

In five years the base price increased over 10,000$

>>28468997
>What makes the giulia 2.0t better than 330i 2.0t?
I owned a Giulia Ti and a G42 230i before buying my WRX
The steering in the 230i is unironically atrocious, I thought I would get used to it but it's so light and vague on center it felt like driving a truck
The seats look nice but sensatec is basically just fancy vinyl and it really sucks in the summer time. The Giulia had real leather and a good seating position that was both low and upright while I never felt comfortable in the bimmer and my back would start to hurt after like 20 minutes behind the wheel
Since the 230i wasn't actually comfy (the main reason I bought it) I jumped ship to the WRX after only a few months

>>28469094
>>28469098
it’s basically a Hyundai i30N Performance just for the US market.
Meaning it was engineered by Albert Biermann (formerly BMW M Division).
These cars have been winning the 24h burgerking races in the past few years.
But hey, go ahead and pay more for a car that’s shittier just because of some badge >>28469098

>>28469212
I love how the WRX STI 2014 handles in GT7. if these cars are even remotely close to this in real life then damn, enjoy your ride m8

>>28468997
>gr corolla has a 3 cylinder
come on you can't do that and also blow off V8posters when they say the WRX only has 4 lmao

>>28469215
nigga the N is my car why you talking shit to me kek
i'm saying it's got a thicc warranty and is made in korea so it's not rolling off of shitty american assembly lines being built by niggers and spics

>>28469192
A 2015 base WRX started at $26,295.00 that's $36,168.89 today.

A 2020 STi started at $36,995 that's $46,100.52 today.

>>28469192
Oh and a 2025 WRX starts at $35,750.

>>28469222
Idk I’m high. Love you and your N

>>28469231
>>28469232
Nothing stopping you from going to the Subaru website and looking the prices. They cut the base model and now it starts at Premium, meaning that Premium is now the new Base and it starts at 37,750$ a TS is 47,705$

An STi came with much more hardware than a TS does yet the TS costs more even with inflation.

The sports car market is mostly dead but where I live VBs are rotting on lots with discounts up to 4k off while the VAs would sell through within a week or two.

>>28469069
Is there value in looking like a piece of shit?

>>28468838 (OP)
>The best value 4 cylinder 4 door sedan sold today.
Civic Si

>>28469220
>blow off V8posters when they say the WRX only has 4 lmao
Well this thread is about 4 cylinder 4 door sedans.
>>28469069
I dunno, just not a fan of the looks, and its FWD... it is faster than the WRX though, i will give it that
>but the WRX is ugly
Yeah but its goofy-ugly, not tryhard-ugly
>>28469192
Don't tell me your income hasnt increased since the time the VA existed lmao...
The prices of everything else also increased, and so did the incomes of hard working high IQ people
>>28469618
Painfully slow + rev hang + FWD
>>28469268
The VB wrx is still more value than a VA wrx simply because the fa24 is a superior engine... Everyone knows the TS is a joke trim though, you have to be an extreme weeb to buy that

>>28469686
>Don't tell me your income hasnt increased since the time the VA existed lmao...
>The prices of everything else also increased, and so did the incomes of hard working high IQ people
When I got my 2020 WRX it was because my 2019 WRX blew its engine around 5k miles and the dealer bought it back with a discount on a 2020. Around that time credible rumors about the next gen WRX were already circulating so my plan was to get a regular WRX and later trade it in for a VB STi. But the STi didn't happen (or has yet to) and the VA failed to impress me long-term.

Anyways average household income increased ~10% from 2020-2024 but the WRX price increased by ~22% in the same time for the base model. And then they cut the base model.
The top spec non-STi WRX was 32,995$ in 2020 and now its 47,705$ meme status or not. That's a 30% increase.

>>28469746
Household income has increased but it has still been outpaced by inflation.

>>28468838 (OP)
Here's to the young brown fella in McKinney, Texas driving this car with the most audacious exhaust system I've ever seen. Quad exhaust tips, looked like race car shit back there. Thought, holy fuck, what is this? I admit, it did "look" impressive. You were coming off University Blvd turning south onto 75. I'm the BMW that blew your doors off heading to the on ramp. I passed you and you stared at me, why? Why did super supreme race car with massive quad tip exhaust let me do this? You spent a lot of money, why am I passing you? I know, you saw the halos and roundel and got the fuck over. Good move. Sucks to be you.

>>28468898
https://vocaroo.com/1gSLGVufSLxS

>>28469788
>thread is about new cars

>>28469686
>rev hang
Tune it out
>FWD
FWD with LSD > open diff AWD
Plus Si has a god tier manual and WRX either has a glass transmission with a floppy shifter, or a CVT if you want Recaros

>>28469773
How is McKinney these days? I left in 2006.

>>28469827
The WRX transmission shifts fine when you have a stiffer pitch stop and transmission mount (<200$ of parts)
It's not as tough as the STI trans but it can handle bolt-ons and a non-ethanol tune
That's like 100 HP more than a tuned Civic Si that will be having clutch issues

>>28469885
It sucks and there's more joggers now, that's why I speed outta there. That and 75's a free for all death match arena where you can do what you want.

>>28468838 (OP)
>best value
>220hp
>3600lbs

>>28470080
the fact that shills have to make shit up about this car tells me that it's probably worth looking at

Does anyone have a guess for how many years this generation has left, realistically?
VA WRX was 2015-2021, so 7 years
So if the VB lasts the same amount of time, it will be 2022-2028?
I don't NEED a new car right now but I might have FOMO if I don't pick one up by the time these are inevitably discontinued.

>>28470134
you already missed the boat anon
best years were 22-23 (no eyesight) or 24 (TR)
even if this generation makes it until 2028, tariffs, tighter regulations, competition from chink cars and the continued economic collapse of the west will make them increasingly more expensive and/or shittier

>>28470203
>Eyesight
My Levorg has Eyesight and I hardly ever notice that it's there. Really not that intrusive at all.

>>28470203
>competition from chink cars and the continued economic collapse of the west will make them increasingly more expensive and/or shittier
It's very hard to come to terms with the increasingly obvious fact that the world and everything peaked in 2008. Cars included.

>>28470080
It's 271hp and 3,351lbs you lying ass little faggot troll

>>28468933
Yeah for sure, that's why 20 year old shitbox Hondas are still kicking with half a million miles and every used subie on the used market is on its third engine swal

>>28470740
back you go

>>28470740
>noooooo you don't understand I have to be able to defer oil changes for years at a time and run old coolant until it turns into acidic sludge that wrecks my cooling system and wait until my timing belt is about to snap and strand me to change it
fucking filtered. your woman ass will drive your CR-V and like it. you obviously don't deserve anything sporty since you won't take care of it

>>28470460
Ah so the same specs as a 20 year old Neon. Neat. Seems like a real bargain.

>>28471016
Yeah but a 20 year old neon cost like $50k new at the time, adjusting for inflation

>>28471902
They were $20k in '03 which is $35k in today's money. 20 years later and the WRX is $10k more than that while being fatter and slower with no tuning potential.

>>28472016
I wanted an SRT4 so bad when I was a kid, but they never sold them in Europe

>>28472016
>fag wheel drive
lol

>>28472040
>still faster than your shitbox

>>28468838 (OP)
boxers are gay and retarded unless they're a two cylinder

>>28472016
>no tuning potential
>FA24
This board is full of NFSU faggot busriders

>>28472115
>10.6:1 compression
>open deck block
>tuning potential

>>28472071
>muh gay

>>28472042
more slop for you

>>28472016
>$35k in today's money.
Uh yeah thats more than the WRX base was retard, and it has slightly less power to weight, and it was FWD.

>>28468838 (OP)
I kneel

>>28472119
Look at all the 400+hp fa24 builds then

>>28468838 (OP)
>garbage suspension
>garbage interior
>engine strained to its limit and more difficult to work on than necessary
>have to open up the motor to get significantly more power
>disappointing steering
Compare that to a base AWD giulia
>better interior layout and materials
>just as good AWD
>better weight distribution
>better suspension
>better steering
>i4 is easy to work on, but you don't even need to work on it for more power
>internals are seriously over engineered for the power they make from factory, bolt on kits available for 400hp
>happily takes 30psi boost with nothing but a piggyback

>>28472505
>can only fit amputees in back seats in julia
I made this thread about 4 door cars because of practicality, not just having 4 doors stuck on a coupe basically.

>>28472505
>engine strained to its limit and more difficult to work on than necessary
>have to open up the motor to get significantly more power
lol no
the FA24 is undertuned from the factory and will make power easier on the stock turbo that the Giulia
a turbo upgrade puts either car in 400hp territory (there are plug and play options for both cars)
>disappointing steering
it's not as good as the Giulia but it gets the job done
the Giulia is a great car but no manual option and weak aftermarket support really lets it down
going through Alfissimo or ordering stuff from Europe gets old pretty fast

>>28472476
A WRX in '03 was $25k+. Why would they price a FWD more than it? That would defeat the whole point of offering a cheap and powerful FWD. It's also common knowledge that those SRT's dyno'd at a lot more than they were rated for.

>>28472489
I have. They all need E85 and are non trustworthy.

>>28472733
>They all need E85
youre an idiot and a wrenchlet, its not that you need E85, its that you want it. fuck these subarus btw im just pointing wrenchlets and ricers out.

>>28472149
Still want to suck me off I see

>>28472759
Who the fuck wants to run E85 to make 400hp? That alone tells you that you got a hopeless tuning platform.

>>28472767
you have no tools dude, you really shouldnt comment on anything engine or suspension related. when you see threads pop up about infotainment and custom LED mood lighting feel free to comment but when engines, drivetrains and engine management is being discussed you should just log off. theres no point.

The FA24 is literally used in the subaru ascent and outback which have high tow ratings, its capable of a lot more torque than its tuned for

>>28468838 (OP)
>is cheaper, faster, and has a better head gasket that you