Is it basically impossible to kill a good reputation in the automotive industry?
>Ferrari
one of the prestigious companies to drive for despite being best known for extreme incompetence
>Toyota
impossible to convince normies that they could be unreliable despite serious recalls
>Mercedes
Still a luxury brand despite their 90s/early 2000s

>>28469678 (OP)
>inb4 non-tifosi fags jump ITT
Ferrari is waiting for 2026, they know Krauts and Americans are HEAVILY investing on the new F1 meta. Lol, you think wind tunnel testing and engineering comes at a small price? It's probably the most expensive part of the whole racing scene.

>>28469678 (OP)
I couldn't get some people I know to not buy a used Honda CR-V "for its Japanese bulltproof quality" even after I dragged them to a local mechanic who warned them very emphatically and unpostably crudely that late-model Japanese cars have engine longevity issues due to modern oil trends that cause the cars to fail smog tests after a few years. They went to him like 4 months down the line because of a check engine light that turned out to be a catalytic converter issue, which wouldn't be solved by a replacement, because the underlying issue would kill the new one too.

Even then, they did not learn. Even then, after mechanicbro pushed it through Smog with a temporary fix (a new cat that did fail after they passed the test), they went back to praising Nippon steel.

You can't reason with programmed people. It's like American boomers and the word "communism": they will order an airstrike on an identified "communism" even if there is no communism at the impact site, and they will never get over it; they can only die, but they can't change

>>28469678 (OP)
Jaguar.

>>28469678 (OP)
>Mercedes
>Still a luxury brand despite their 90s/early 2000s
The 80s, 90s, and early 00s were peak Mercedes though. They had reliable drivetrains, high quality builds and materials, and weren’t overly complex yet.

>>28469744
>engine longevity issues due to modern oil trends that cause the cars to fail smog tests after a few years

Please elaborate. I'm genuinely curious and my car is 25+ years old so it doesn't have to pass emissions where live but I really want to know if this is because of those water-like 0w20 engine oils.

>>28469678 (OP)
I dunno, the mystique is mostly gone. Driving a Merc or BMW really meant something. Audi and Jag, these were rich neighborhood cars. Nobody in our typical Al Bundy subdivision drove these cars. They were rare, and imports, not made here, very small sales. Now all this shit is made in Arkansas or Mexico. The used car market is flooded with 40 years of these cars. Every jogger, turk and hillbilly like me has one. It's just another car now. They don't even have the large price gap like they used to. These brands now offer SUV and lower trim models competing with other brands in similar price ranges. M and AMG is an over-used meme trope appearance package now on some models.

>>28469807
That anon is just posting Bait.
Sure Nip cars have a few duds here and there.
But compared to Euro or US cars, they are still far ahead.

>>28469805
it was in this era their reliability went from "outstanding" to merely "good" and a few cheap feeling models being the A , C and SLK class

>>28469882
If you buy a random 1999 Camry of boomerbook marketplace and a brand new one.
The '99 will outlive the new one
They went from outstanding to slightly better than average.

>>28469807
The difference between a 25 year-old nip car and a sub-10 is that one if them will have "adding 1 liter of oil per 3000 miles is normal and not eligible for an engine warranty claim", or a similar statement. Burning oil from day 1 is partially caused by low-friction piston rings
>everyone does it
>not just nips
>but also bios
has consequences, and the long-life oils with 18 to 20 thousand-mile service intervals compound this even more. In truly catastrophic cases, the cylinder bores wear out so much they become oval instead of circular and then you can't do anything about it, since engines have cylinder coatings instead of liners these days and that is not compatible with reboring in a workshop (so you gotta buy a new block, and at that point, why not a new engine or a new car). Catastrophic failures aside, the coated bores are weak and wear out under such conditions (if a bit more evenly), the dirty oil that is circulating in the engine for an eternity helps destroy valve stem seals (which again are underbuilt these days) and sludgy oil eventually kills the hydraulic variable valve timing actuators.

The bottom line or all of these failures is that a modern end-of-life engine, even (especially?) if it's nip, will burn more than 1 liter of oil every 1000 miles AND get noticeably worse gas mileage than it did new, and at that point, you can't pass emissions. I've seen that "fixed" by shady mechanics installing a temporary exhaust system that diverts part of the exhaust into a concealed exhaust – an emissions tester that plays along and doesn't look too hard will see normal readings on the main exhaust. That much oil and unburnt fuel also kills cat converters, which throws up a check engine light and automatically fails you when doing Smog.
This engine wear is deliberate, engines are designed for a trouble-free 120k miles. With this target lifespan, they usually become unfeasible to keep fixing at 200-250k.

>>28469882
And here they are

>>28470285
>having emissions testing
Fat fucking L, blue state cuckold

>>28469758
have they had a good rep before this? I don't know anyone who thought about jag at all, much less thought a good thing about it

>>28470285
I’m pretty sure you can just not use the 0w20 engine oil and instead substitute whatever “normal” engine oil weight that is used in Japan while maintaining 5K mile engine oil/filter intervals. But, I understand that most people in the US won’t do that.

My next car will be from the 80s or 90s regardless cuz I’ve driven new cars and don’t like them. They feel like shitty appliances. I’m not the norm though and families are in peril because of this scenario.

>>28469758
literally only think about jags because of top gear

>>28469678 (OP)
At this point Ferrari is the town bicycle.

>>28469678 (OP)
>one of the prestigious companies to drive for despite being best known for extreme incompetence
Yeah their F1 team. They just won Le Mans for the 3rd time in a row against actual competition (unlike when Toyota "won" it against nobody).

>>28469822
That C4 makes those BMWs look uglier than sin.