Is there any reason to use lug bolts over lug nuts and vice versa? Why do german cars use lug bolts while everyone else uses lug nuts? Is it just typical german autism?

>>28476533 (OP)
>Why do german cars use lug bolts while everyone else uses lug nuts?
I have a GM-made car with lug bolts. It's kind of European with a scent of Opel though.

>>28476533 (OP)
ive personally never had an issue installing or removing lug bolts on the few german cars ive owned.
lug nuts ive had strip, snap, balloon, round off, etc. that said id still prefer lug nuts because they're just simpler to mount wheels with. lug bolts can be annoying when the hub and rotor arent aligned, but they do make tools for that

>>28476533 (OP)
bolts are retarded
If you don't have a OEM wheels with perfect sized hub bores it's absolute cancer trying to line up your wheel and put a bolt in

>>28476533 (OP)
>Why do german cars use lug bolts while everyone else uses lug nuts?
So the engineers can appease the bean counters for saving 5 cents per autombile

>>28476533 (OP)
>Is there any reason to use lug bolts over lug nuts
Not a single one. Studs with nuts is better than bolts in every way. Both are equally adequate/secure so that's not an issue.

Having a hub with studs in it means you can set the wheel on there and not have to support it while starting all the nuts. With bolts, you need to hold the wheel there while aligning the holes and starting the bolts. Much more of a pain in the ass.

Secondly, with nuts you typically have friction fit studs in the hub, and if you strip the threads on a stud you can hammer it out and put a new one in. With bolts, you have threaded holes in the hub, and if you strip the threads out of one of those holes you have to replace the entire hub.

You get better clamping with nuts and studs vs bolts, same reason why you go from head bolts to studs when you start making retard power

>>28476559
^This.

>>28476533 (OP)
lug bolts are a tiny bit lighter
and it's easy to get longer ones when you want to put on wheel spacers

>>28476533 (OP)
I honestly don't understand why Europeans use lug bolts.
From a engineering standpoint, they're inferior.

I've heard arguments about it's easier to replace a damaged hub thread.
But replacing studs is easy and cheaper.

>>28476886
>when you want to put on wheel spacers
If you advocate for wheel spacers your opinion on automotive matters should be disregarded.

>>28476960
Not him but why? If you want to modify your suspension or brakes you might soon find out that most wheels don't fit as it is. Especially if it's a car on mcdonalds with no extra space around the wheels.

>>28476991
What is scrub radius.

>>28477033
What are you trying to imply.

>>28476991
Wheel spacers increase the forces on your wheel bearings and outer ball joints, causing them to wear out faster. A LOT faster with larger spacers.

Wheel spacers also change the scrub radius of the suspension, which can cause drastic and unsafe effects on vehicle handling, which vary depending on whether the vehicle previously had a positive or negative scrub radius.

If your car already has a positive scrub radius then the wheel spacer will increase it. A higher positive scrub radius will make the steering jerky and also causes the wheel to gain positive camber when the wheels are being turned, reducing grip in corners.

If your car has a negative scrub radius then installing a wheel spacer may cause bigger issues. The outward movement of the wheel can make a negative scrub radius become zero, which is the worst thing to have for a scrub radius. A zero scrub radius can cause the wheels to squirm/shudder depending on whether the inside or outside edge of the tire/tread has more grip, resulting in extremely unpredictable handling.

>>28477081
Thank you for the detailed explanation. It's possible to stay within the same scrub radius even with spacers if, for example, you get a tire of smaller width, or the spacers fully compensate for the change in the offset of the wheel. Besides that, as far as I understand, small changes in scrub radius don't matter that much.
Messing with steering/suspension not designed to be messed with (as in most production shitboxes) is sketchy, but sometimes you have to if there's no ready available aftermarket solution for your needs.

>>28477069
Retards who use wheel spacers don't know it ruins the handling of the car due to changing the scrub radius.

>>28477260
See >>28477127

>>28476559
But my alfawagen has them. Seethe, wrongwheels.

>>28476533 (OP)
a lug bolt is 1 piece, a lug nut requires a stud and is 2 pieces. why do you think you only see this cost savings measure on eurotrash kek?

>>28476960
there is nothing wrong with using spacers less than 20mm or so
really thick ones will wreck your wheel bearings and suspension geometry though

>>28477360
>there is nothing wrong with using spacers
maybe to you, youre a ricer though and broke as fuck. whos actually gonna take your advice?

>>28477390
>whos actually gonna take your advice?
the average /o/tist that is also a broke ass ricer?

>>28477288
I have plenty of oem wheels and I buy hub rings for most of my aftermarket wheels, but what benefit do you get from lug bolts to justify this inconvenience?
None.

>>28477033
>>28477081
>>28477260
Wider low offset wheels does the exact same thing to your bearings and your scrub radius and production car race teams have been using those for decades.

>>28477623
Most race cars have adjustable A-arms, or use custom A-arms, to get the vehicle's scrub radius where they want it. They don't just use OEM A-arms and stick massive offset wheels on them, as it would destroy the handling of the vehicle and be very counter-productive to building a race car.

>>28477685
It doesn't matter if you extend your LCA retard, low offset wider wheels still does the exact same thing to your scrub radius