Thanks to these retards in govt, we're never getting an affordable truck ever again

https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/03/slate-auto-drops-under-20000-pricing-after-trump-administration-ends-federal-ev-tax-credit/

>>28497797 (OP)
This was never a viable product. Costs as much as a brand new Maverick despite being 10% as useful.

If your pricing is based off of other people paying, that's not the price. Really slate should be taken to court for false advertising since your tax dollars will pay for the truck in a separate transaction

$20k is more than enough for a used v8 full size pickup.

>>28497818
fagrick is useless, hobbyist gardener car

>>28497797 (OP)
Maybe they shouldn't have promised that daddy government would pay for a third of their gay rc car

Lol, yet another bev bullshit toy that's blown its budget load already. It keeps happening and yet never stops being funny.

So the BBB passed?

>>28497797 (OP)
>The auto industry has “driven prices to a place that most Americans simply can’t afford,” chief commercial officer Jeremy Snyder said
>so let's build a $35,000 penalty box with crank windows and is a shitty fucking EV to boot
kek

>>28497846
20k gets you a 20 year old blown out shitbox that’s been ragged the fuck out by 5 owners.

>mid-twenties
it's going to be 50k

>>28497886
displayed your lack of tools with that one

If your company needs to rob the taxpayer and your own customer you don't have a viable company.
Much like Tesla who had been playing with the carbon credits allotment to provide essentially fake profitability reports, i mean on top of the subsidy.

Get bent.

>>28497897
I want a vehicle I can drive daily. Not a pain in the ass project.

>>28497797 (OP)
Everybody knew that the EV tax credit was on the chopping block as soon as Trump took office. Slate were retards for using a giant fucking asterisk pricetag as one of their main selling points for the massive marketing campaign they shat out.
Chuck it in the bin next to Canoo.

>>28497906
>i'm a woman
we get it

>>28497906
$5k gets you a nice dailyable GMT800. $20k gets you an extremely clean and "low mileage" one that will likely outlast a fucking Amazon "truck". Less than $30k also gets you a new half ton. What's with this place and thinking every new truck is $70k?

>>28497895
The same equation applies to every new EV. Divide the projected range by half and multiply the price by 2.

>>28497797 (OP)
>Thanks to these retards in govt, we're never getting an affordable truck ever again

It was getting a $7,000 tax credit. We have $37 TRILLION in debt. If you think we can afford giving everyone who buys an EV $7K when we have that kind of debt then you're the retard.

>>28497977
I don't think you know anything at all about the economy

>>28498003
Famously said by people who are in a position to benefit from the shitshow continuing, those dumb enough to think they will benefit from it, those brainwashed into believing nothing is wrong, and people so stupid they don't understand amy of what I just said.

Which of the four are you? Just reply with a number 1-4 i dont need words.

>>28497886
(you)

>>28497797 (OP)
>truck
>coil over rear with trailing arms
fucking useless.

>>28497920
Yes I have a big fat pussy and tits and I want to not drive a rusted out piece of shit that I have to always work on

>>28497797 (OP)
>nooo you have to directly subsidize this shitbox otherwise it's not affordable!!
Lol

>>28497797 (OP)
It was always a tax credit, so you had to own that much in taxes to actually get the tax credit. So, people who were broke were never going to get a new $ 20,000 truck.

>>28497797 (OP)
>advertise it as lower than MSRP because it's expecting to use an EV grant to entice potential customers
>bitch when the EV grant disappears and customers see what it really costs

>>28497797 (OP)
DOA. They should have kept the price low regardless of tax incentives. Now that it is revealed that it really only was a EV credit abuser, this is a dead project. A shame because the idea was good on paper, but greedy in execution

>>28497797 (OP)
Isn’t “slate motors” just like some Kirkland brand pickup that Amazon is offering?

Does slate motors make those electric Amazon delivery vans too?
If so this is still probably going to happen, and I have to admit they are styled nicely.

But how is the “chicken tax” a thing for the Toyota hilux but not with this slate pickup?
Isn’t the “chicken tax” basically a law that mandates no compact pickups?

Why not just allow kei/small trucks in the USA and give people what they want instead of spinning up some gay Amazon EV pickup to fill a market segment that is supposed to be financially impractical or illegal (chicken tax) for the real compact truck niggas (Toyota, Isuzu, Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi)

None of this makes any sense.


Unless the market is being held captive by the US government for the sake of Jeff Bezos’s start up company to rival Tesla with slightly less gay offerings (EVs are fundamentally gay, but the styling is on point)

>>28498192
Chicken tax is forgein while slate is purely domestic. It had nothing to do with the market segment itself, it was that Japanese and euro trucks were cheap and fuel efficient during the oil crisis and nearly killed USDM when fleets started buying them. US companies don't make small trucks normally because A. It hurts profit margins to make cheap trucks and B. Consumers in the US perfect every-vehicles so a small truck is not as useful as say a 4 door f-150

>>28497925
>The same equation applies to every new EV. Divide the projected range by half and multiply the price by 2.
THIS RIGHT HERE. It's advertising. You're trained to think lies this huge are okay. It came out at 2x the claimed price (two fuckin' thymes) and you were okay with that?
It grabs midwits because they're just smart enough to undersand the concept so they get those "mummy thinks I'm smrt" hits when they comprehend a predatory advertising gambit.

>>28497797 (OP)
It's made out of fucking plastic, the whole thing, and still gets shit range.

>>28498191
>making a slim profit
>greedy
retard

>>28498003
>I don't think you know anything at all about the economy

Then educate me. Explain how giving $7000 to someone buying a new EV is in my interest as a tax payer.

Then tell me why $37,000,000,000,000 in debt shouldn't concern me.

>>28497797 (OP)
Thanks Obama

>>28497895
>500 mi range
>3500 payload
>14k towing

lmao

>>28497846
>fagrick is useless, hobbyist gardener car
You're right, and that really tells you something about the Slate.

Good. I don't want that piece of shit and I shouldn't have to pay for the tax credits that go towards it. It's backed by one of the richest person in the world and he can't help in any way?

>>28497797 (OP)
>EVs become unaffordable just like ICE
>fat retards sneering in self-assured sour grapes joy
>(in between crying about the new and used price of vehicles)
how come everything be so expensive????

>>28498436
>consumers getting a tax break is communism
>unless it's a jewish billionaire getting a tax break
>then it's both based and redpilled

>>28498436
>backed by
Lmao leaning on bezos has come back to bite them in the ass just like i knew it would. "backed by" bro he made a one time investment. people act like it's his personally owned company. but it's the medias fault for putting "bezos backed" in every headline.

>>28498456
>one time investment
Look up what investment means and get back to me. No one, especially the rich, gives money away and expects no return.

>>28498447
>Consumers getting a tax break
No, the government subsidized them. Learn the difference.

>>28497837
>since your tax dollars will pay for the truck in a separate transaction
That's not how tax credits work.

>>28497904
>rob the taxpayer
Not how it works.

>>28497977
>We have $37 TRILLION in debt.
The national "debt" is just a record of money the government has spent into the economy that hasn't been removed through taxation. It's only a problem because retards keep thinking we have to pay it back instead of it being a structural necessity. The government is a currency issuer, not a currency user. All liabilities are a mirrored asset.

>>28497846
Yeah, and the Slate is even less capable.

>>28498458
how does it being a one time investment make it not an investment? do you think an "investment" is like a recurring subscription service where you pay money every month?

>>28497914
I think the problem was they were designing this during the Biden admin when the EPA regulations that were going to be implemented would make selling anything not ev or hybrid practically verboten and when Trump came along it was too late to pivot. Should have been a basic four cylinder and they might have been able to actually sell it around 20k~
>>28498494
Recently the payment on interest surpassed defense spending andnow only has social security and the Medicare/Medicaid spending ahead of it. We're reaching the point where the interest is either going to start crowding out other spending, forces taxes to increase greatly, or require more borrowing which will cause an ever increasing spiral into debt, particularly as lenders are going to expect more interest as it becomes apparent that the US is having more difficulty paying it's interest. We are at the highest debt to gdp ratio since a major war. Cutting EV subsidies is the least we can do

>>28498564
>Recently the payment on interest surpassed defense spending andnow only has social security and the Medicare/Medicaid spending ahead of it. We're reaching the point where the interest is either going to start crowding out other spending, forces taxes to increase greatly, or require more borrowing which will cause an ever increasing spiral into debt, particularly as lenders are going to expect more interest as it becomes apparent that the US is having more difficulty paying it's interest. We are at the highest debt to gdp ratio since a major war. Cutting EV subsidies is the least we can do
The mot straightforward solution to this "problem" (it's not actually a problem because the government can ALWAYS afford to purchase anything priced for sale in its own currency -- and all US sovereign debt is priced in dollars) is to stop paying interest. There is no natural law or law of accounting that requires the paying of interest or the selling of bonds (and selling bonds is not a borrowing operation in the first place). Or just get the interest rate below the growth rate, which is easily accomplished with a ZIRP, which of course is trivial for the Fed to institute because, like the Treasury, it's a monopoly operation and there is no actual market mechanism governing the federal funds rate other than what the board of governors votes on.

>>28498445
EVs were always unaffordable, they've just been LITERALLY propped up by the government (exclusively for rich people though)

Tax credits are completely retarded in the first place because the only people they benefit are a tiny proportion of the population that makes enough money to be taxed excessively while also not having anyone do their finances for them to know how to skirt taxes legally in the first place. So basically a specific sort of idiot that would be interested in EVs in the first place.

>>28498025
Why does "clean title" come with asterisks?

>>28498528
When did I say a one time investment is not an investment? You are wrong from the get-go, the rest of your typing was irrelevant. You brought up investment as an arbitrary thing, it's like buying into the stock market and not caring about your returns.

You are stupid, stop being stupid.

>>28498192
Rivian makes vehicles for Amazon. Amazon is an investor in Rivian. Jeff Bezos is an investor in a company that invests in Slate. Amazon doesn't seem to have anything to do with Slate.

>>28498568
You're one of the fucking stupids who refuses to accept what the real problems are. You're also one of the stupids who has been brainwashed into believing money isnt real.
>just dont pay lol what would even happen?
International drop of support for the US financial system and a spiral into the country's collapse
Think about if you had a really rich neighbor in a big expensive house and everyone surrounding him was just normal. Suddenly rich neighbor cant pay his mortgage and is losing the house. None of you are going to support him to keep his house. It's going to be
>oh noooo, that sucks rich guy! Guess you should've not been stupid about all your money! Oh we feel soooo bad about this. Sorry!

Get fucking real.

>>28497797 (OP)
>Thanks to these retards in govt
>ev tax credit
That's precisely why we never cared about that piece of shit - it's a unibody EV with no usable bed.
Let's see the small truck that Toyota is cooking up for the US market instead, try shilling for that.

>>28498648
https://moslereconomics.com/mandatory-readings/

>>28498648
You can come up with all the nonsensical analogies you want -- what I am saying is reality. Money is theoretically unlimited because money is not a real resource. Money is a tool for directing real resources. So the actual limiter is the real resources you have at your disposal, which will of course vary from country to country.

The government is a currency issuer, not a currency user. None of the tropes about personal household debt apply. The government spends its own money unit into existence -- it has to spend first before anyone else has money to pay taxes in the first place. Deficit spending is just crediting more accounts than are debited. It is a process that needs to happen to leave money in the economy for the private sector to generate a surplus. You could alternatively run a large enough trade surplus so that foreign countries are running the deficit, but we don't. And even countries like Japan that run large trade surpluses still run larger budget deficits than the US does. You understand all of this, by the way. You just don't like the implications.

>>28498628
what did i say that made you think bezos doesn't "care" about his returns? no shit he wants a return on the investment. that's literally what an investment is. but all it was was an investment. there were also 15 other investment firms who funded the startup in 2023 including mark walter and thomas tull. who the fuck are those people? i don't know, you don't know, no one gives a shit. they don't matter because they're just investors. they're no founders, they're not executives, they're not on the board. they're just investors.
let's take a look at some other "bezos backed" companies.
Denali Therapeutics. stock is down 33% from last year.
Nextdoor Holdings, Inc. stock is down 84%
Rivian. down 88%
Sana Biotechnology. down 91%
being "bezos backed" is not some golden ticket that guarantees success. warren buffet, mark cuban, george soros, they're all the same. they investment millions upon million of dollars in dozens upon dozens of projects every year. some are successful. some aren't. that's just how investments work. they're just smart enough to know what's a good investment and what's not but they're not gods. they lose money on investments all the time.

>>28498612
boomerism for emphasis, they do it with quotation marks too

>>28498688
>money is not a real resource
Yes absolutely, in the same sense that numbers don't actually exist. Sure nowhere in the universe is "2" an actual physical thing. But i take two rocks and I have....two, rocks. Not one, not three. Two is real, but 2 doesn't actually exist.
Money is a real concept of value. It has to have an equivalent physical representation accounted for or what it represents is not feasible.

So the idea of
>just print away the problem
Is a horribly destructive reaction to the real problem.

>nonsensical analogies
I operate on the basis of logically grounded reality. If you have trouble understanding how to see concepts tied to real meaning that's a failure of you, not me.

>>28498688
this is not the only way a currency can hold value, silly.

Your not fooling me elon

>>28497797 (OP)
What's the point of buying this over a used Toyota?

>>28498608
You can have negative taxes with credits.

>>28499159
They don't pay you those dummy.

>>28497797 (OP)
>we're never getting an affordable truck ever again
It was never affordable to start with. The actual price was $28,000 for the base model (crank windows, radio from 1990s, no nav, etc) and they were relying entirely on the EV tax credit to trick people into thinking it was $20,000 which is not how tax credits even work lmao.

>>28499374
It is how the electric car tax credit worked: it was applied at the point of sale. It wasn't a tax credit at all, just a literal subsidy.

>we need the government giving almost 10k rebates for me to get a cheap shitty pickup with a payload capacity of a small car

>>28499431
Well, yeah. That's what tax credits are. Taxes at the federal level serve several purposes since they aren't needed for revenue: manage inflation, redistribute wealth, and behavior modification.

>>28499374
You're a moron with out-of-date information. The EV tax credit has applied at point of sale since 2023. It was a line item before then where it reduced your tax burden by $7,500 when you did your yearly taxes.

A $7.5k "tax credit" essentially steals that money from taxpayers and other car buyers who have to make up that loss, or else we just increase the national debt so someone in the future can handle it lol.
>>28499521
It's called "Nudge Theory." You don't have to ban something, just make it impossible or psyop people into thinking it's uncool or lower class.

>>28499598
>A $7.5k "tax credit" essentially steals that money from taxpayers
No, it doesn't.

>>28498230
This, and it has a 5ft bed which everyone knows is practically useless for real work

>>28499679
It's funded by printing money, so it essentially steals from literally everyone that possesses United States Dollars. Every year when there's 2.5% inflation, that's the Fed and the banks stealing 2.5 cents from you for every dollar in your wallet/accounts.

>>28499337
Yes they do. My tax return exceeds my withholdings every year.

>>28499598
My house has never been on fire so when the government funds fire departments with taxpayer dollars it is essentially stealing money from me to subsidize other people getting their fires put out for free.
>or else we just increase the national debt so someone in the future can handle it lol.
Well you're never gonna guess what the BBB did to national debt.

>>28499800
If we just printed money, inflation would actually be lower than the mental gymnastics that takes place where they pretend to "borrow" money just so rich people get their risk-free returns.

>>28498568
I had no idea this caliber of retard actually existed

I uhhh don't know what to say after reading some of the replies here.

>>28498249
>Then tell me why $37,000,000,000,000 in debt shouldn't concern me.
Because those bonds can be converted to face value cash and nothing would happen. That’s what the Nazis did with the war bonds from WWI.