If Lexus provides the most clout and reliability per dollar spent, why doesn't everyone buy one?

>clout
who on god's green earth is impressed by a lexus

>>28498224 (OP)
Because people buying at the luxury level don't care about that and usually get a fashion item that they lease or trade in for the new model.

>>28498224 (OP)
Reliability is not important when you can afford DOZEN of cars (billionaires)

because they are toyotas with slightly nicer interior
they put very little effort into class-leading technology, design, engines, interiors etc, its safe toaster cars for old people who fear change
they are reliable because they use 15 year old parts instead of trying to innovate

>>28498225
>>28498229
>>28498239
In Europe, flashing wealth is generally frowned upon between top-performing professionals (TC +- 800k-1m/year, age <40, top doctors in private practice, star lawyers, etc). Leasing, or god forbid, getting a LOAN for your car is seen as utterly pathetic. Like, who do you think you are, and why do you feel the need to show off?

True signals of wealth in Europe are: zip code, buying big vacation homes in South France/Spain, expensive private schools and expensive hobbies for (multiple) kids, luxury vacations that you post about on Instagram, having ties to the government and governmental funding institutions. Buying a pure "sports car" is seen as buying an expensive toy, literal manchild or Arab immigrant behaviour. The only thing I can concede is that you can buy an expensive SUV for your wife and kids and not be seen like a clown by your social circle.

>inb4: 800k/year is not rich
Yes, you're not a billionaire, but you also don't have healthcare costs that can rack up in the millions in the US for end of life care, neither are you so scared of litigation in pressure cooker professions. With that money you're also completely isolated from the effects of immigration and you can fulfil the dream of living in a "white boreal ethnostate" or whatever the fuck.

>>28498258
>Buying a pure "sports car" is seen as buying an expensive toy, literal manchild or Arab immigrant behaviour.

There may be something to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_collection_of_the_29th_Sultan_of_Brunei

>>28498258
I would agree most cars in Europe are 10+ year old shitboxes with battered bumpers. Only new cars you see are rentals. In the UK everyone is desperate to have a new car on their drive to show off, otherwise you haven't made it.

This more utilitarian european approach to motoring like driving a 1.4l Renault Scenic that hasn't been washed in years, so you can throw 12 boxes of wine in the back every month, is refreshing.

>>28498258
>Buying a pure "sports car" is seen as buying an expensive toy, literal manchild or Arab immigrant behaviour.
The hoarding once they get filthy rich like >>28498266 is insane. They don't even like to drive them as intended, it's just a richfag's version of hoarders.

>>28498258
That sounds nice desu. Money is one thing but fitting in with high society is nicer still.

>>28498258
>take shortcut through new housing zone on way to liquor store
>immaculate solar powered single family houses clad in white stone, glass and engineered wood look like they cost well over a million each
>driveway made of fancy natural-looking stone blocks arranged in cool patterns
>look at cars on the driveway
>an old SEAT Leon wagon and a fucking Twingo
Yup.
Wagon might have been the sleeper-ish Cupra variant though, not sure.

>>28498258
>800k/year is not rich
There's no way anybody actually believes this. I had so much expendable income even at 80k a year (I do not have any children to be fair)

>>28498224 (OP)
I'm on my 2nd Lexus, for retarded car shit I have my old retard car.
Sometimes you just got to have something that works and is low-key enough not to attract attention.

>>28498224 (OP)
I don't know anyone who thinks having a lexus is clout. My reason for not getting one and instead getting a toyota is the fucking ugly predator grill lexus insists on every model.

>>28498224 (OP)

actually, i'm in the market for my first car and i'm definitely getting a lexus,

i want that toyota reliability with a more polished finishing, just enough luxury but stay under the radar. you don't want to buy an expensive german/UK car because it's not engineered to last and you attract too much attention with it, and you'll be actively paranoid about it getting stolen or hit

the more money i make, the less i want to show off, i remember that when i hadn't much money, it was there when i was in love with porches and aston martins.

but now, i just want quiet luxury stuff, and i look down to everyone trying to show off with the marketed new rich trends.

i'm looking at the lexus crossovers lately, probably a UX 300h with a custom sexy body kit from japan will be my first car.

>>28498332
>UX 300h with a custom sexy body kit from japan

You're gonna waste your money putting a body kit on a shopping car?

>>28498334

yes, and there is nothing you can do to stop me

>>28498332
>you don't want to buy an expensive german/UK car because it's not engineered to last and you attract too much attention with it, and you'll be actively paranoid about it
The problem with this board, and 4chan in general, is that there are 80 IQ mongoloids like you who insist on giving advice despite having no experience or critical thinking abilities whatsoever. When you have never had a car, why should I or anyone else care about your opinion?

>>28498417

i'm actually always right

>>28498258
Europeans are more obsessed with status than americans. Thats why they view a fun sports car as "needing to show off" instead of just something one buys for enjoyment. Truly grim stuff.

>>28498297
It's all relative. 200 years ago, if you had some form of equivalency to $800k, you'd literally have no way to spend it other than company acquisitions and corporate expansion. The luxury and ultra-luxury market now exists due to the high consolidation of wealth and industrial mass production.

>>28498332
>probably a UX 300h with a custom sexy body kit from japan will be my first car
Man, you sure know how to out yourself as a subhuman without announcing it.

>>28498224 (OP)
Lexus is a boomer brand, they're not cool anymore.
Not even making that up too
https://www.motor1.com/news/756568/lexus-buyers-older-average-luxury/
>>28498258
>In Europe, flashing wealth is generally frowned upon between top-performing professionals (TC +- 800k-1m/year, age <40, top doctors in private practice, star lawyers, etc). Leasing, or god forbid, getting a LOAN for your car is seen as utterly pathetic. Like, who do you think you are, and why do you feel the need to show off?

See that's a lie though

Look how many base model BMW's Benz's etc are scattered around though.

You could have a fully loaded VW or Ford or something instead but euros pay the premium just for the badge.

>>28498589
>You could have a fully loaded VW or Ford or something instead but euros pay the premium just for the badge.
I thought the badge comes with privileges like overtaking across a solid/yellow line, and driving at least 30 kph over the limit when doing so.
Bonus points for doing that on a road covered in slush and wheelspin-spraying it all over the other cars in the process.

>>28498581

you seem upset

They're rebadged Toyotas and no one actually likes the Predator grille. The LFA was their swan song.

ES300h looks great but
> Slowest car in its class
> No wagon option
> No AWD option, just FWD
> No diesel option
> CVT considered poor drive
> Infotainment with trackpad in 2025?

>>28498224 (OP)
I want an IS300/Altezza, but I can't find any in the US ;_;

>>28498224 (OP)
>Lexus
Toyota, right? Same thing. Let's not forget Pearl Harbor

>>28498589
>Look how many base model BMW's Benz's etc are scattered around though.
They literally all belong to Arabs and/or taxi drivers.

>>28498225
Meeeeeeeee!

>>28498224 (OP)
I did but not because of
>clout
since it's retarded to think of Lexus this way.
I wanted to try a hybrid and wanted it headache-free.

>>28498713
>ES
What did you expect, it's a fucking Camry
>300h
Not even a V6
> CVT considered poor drive
You don't know shit and can't communicate in English properly.

>>28498225
Lexus is more refined Toyota. So anyone who owns a Toyota would be impressed by a Lexus

>>28498224 (OP)
Because they're not cheap like they used to be.
When you do get the money for one, you also have money for a BMW.

>>28498944
>Same interior layouts
>same vents
>same engines but they require premium
>same drivetrains
>same platforms
Like hell they would. t. Toyota driver

>>28498984
Well if your low iq mind can't spot the difference, then you are better off with a toyota

>>28498258
Lol, lmao even

>>28499039
>American can't comprehend "average" is much less representative than "median" in this situation
>American reads bullshit headline that compares Mississipi to "many European countries", likely Bulgaria, Albania, etc, and believes it with no additional details
>American doesn't understand that healthcare and college are free in Europe (+- 500k costs in the course of your lifetime)
You really are as dumb as they say. Hey American, where does chocolate milk come from?

>>28498297
Lifestyle creep is real. You're expected to have an expensive home, expensive hobbies, take expensive trips, so those expenses may as well be baked in.

>>28499105
It sure doesn't come from whatever poorer-than-Mississippi hovel you're from.

because they make manlet cars
no one above 6'2 can fit well in most models except their 3 row barges
I've verified this on a car show with all modern lexus models, even LS is cramped

i plan on trading in my boiracer car for a 2016-2019 RX 350.
< 60k miles is my goal. Nice, reliable V6 and comfort.

>>28498589
You could have a fully loaded VW or Ford or something instead but euros pay the premium just for the badge.You could have a fully loaded VW or Ford or something instead but euros pay the premium just for the badge.
Wrong. At best you get a higher trim for a worse overall engine(in BMWs case at least, all of them have plastic dogshit nowdays)
Also, where I live at least, shops that specialize on Fords are not very easy to find. VW group is more common but does not come anywhere near close to how many BMW specialists exist. Merc ones are also plenty because every other taxi is a Merc for some reason(and the rest are Skoda)

>>28500930
Out of arguments and straight to baseless assumptions. Figures.

>>28499105
1. If you think healthcare is cheaper in Eurohell you must not pay taxes.
2. The rich people in your country go to America for medicine when their life is on the line. Nobody flies to your shithole hovel to get healed by your village witch doctor.

>>28498224 (OP)
1- shitty trims, ES looks like a 2016 huyndai from the back while IS looks like a corrola from the back.
2- underpowered, newer GS models come in 4 cyl hybrid, IS in 4 cyl turbo in most countries, which makes them pointless and gay
3- only the LS makes sense, but then only if you have a personal driver, it’s gay to drive your own limo.

Lexus is generally the most disappointing luxury brand as Toyota can easily make it great if they stopped being faggy japs.

>>28501155
>newer GS models
Bitch who? They stopped producing this model in 2020.

>>28501213
Oh sorry didn’t know that, latest GS I checked was 2016 w 4 cyl hybrid, which really wasn’t any different from the ES other than being rwd

>>28501213
Also ones from 07 to 11 where all 6 cylinder w hybrid 350 hp beasts, that was my point of reference.

>>28498944
they are both driven by the same people, and none of them know how to drive. Goyotas are peak NPC cars.

>>28498224 (OP)
>>28498258
>>28498294
The only two lexus owners in my neighbourhood I know are multi millionaires. They bought one because it is comfortable and reliable and they need to drive around 30k km a year. The other millionaire drives a fucking clapped out Clio to work because according to him cars are a waste of money. You do see a lot of campervans and caracans though. Netherlands btw.

>>28501145
I live in Europe with free healthcare.

You live in the US and you overpay for healthcare to make insurance company CEOs richer. But at least you get to dream about becoming a CEO yourself, at which point you could pay to get healthcare yourself. Of course, this will never happen. 50-something% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

This is the American dream! Enjoy dreaming of riches I'm enjoying my life. LMAO!

>>28498224 (OP)
Not everyone prioritizes reliability.

For 99% of "humanity", cars are objects to reflect their status and who they aspire to be.
Hence, muh barbie girl jeep, muh I'm-not-Turk-I'm-a-classy-European BMW, etc.

People aren't buying for reliability. People are signing away their lives at 29% APR to desperately show off some stupid image of themselves.

>>28501302
>I live in Europe with free healthcare.
You pay for it with your taxes, retard.

>You live in the US and you overpay for healthcare to make insurance company CEOs richer.
Europeans travel to America for health care. Americans don't travel to Europe for health care. American health care may be a bit pricier, but the service is far better. It is the Lexus to Europe's Ford Taurus. Europe's fine if you just need a broken bone put in a cast, any chimp can do that. But actual serious medical procedures? Those who can, fly to America. Those who can't, accept second-tier service and post cope on 4chan.

>>28501312
It really is a sight to behold in the American mentality, this "living vicariously through the elites", while being broke and in debt. Hey, FAGGOT: your net worth is not 20m+, you don't have 1m+ to drop on a heart operation if you need it. In Europe, you don't have to pay that.

You imagine yourself as "one of those who can", while the reality for the average American is much different. Again, keep dreaming of the American dream while corporations exploit the fuck out of you, and while I enjoy my life.

>>28501218
I think you're thinking of the GS450h

>>28501333
Guys he figured us out, no American is enjoying life. We're all just exploited proles lacking class consciousness!

>>28501338
>look at my STUFF this means I am better than you
Aren't there black men near you that you have to kneel to? Kek

>>28501333
> In Europe, you don't have to pay that.
Because you die on the waiting list for the local medicine man to tell you sorry, NHS doesn't cover the procedure you need.

By the way, what's your VAT like? Here, if a state has an 8% sales tax it's considered pretty damn high...

>>28501341
Number of Muslims currently raping my sister: 0
Number of Muslims currently raping yours: More than that.

>>28501341
>look at my STUFF this means I am better than you
I never said that, do you feel insecure when you see my car? It comes from your communist land mass but you'll never be able to afford it.
>Aren't there black men near you that you have to kneel to? Kek
@grok what are the demographics of Stanley Lake, Idaho?

>>28501345
>Because you die on the waiting list for the local medicine man to tell you sorry, NHS doesn't cover the procedure you need.
This literally doesn't happen in my central European country. You are parroting shit you read from /pol/.

>tips 20% like a paypig every time he goes out
>brags about 8% sales tax
The mind of an American. Are you genitally mutilated according to a Talmudic ritual, by any chance?

>>28501359
Tipping is a choice, imagine getting pressured by the college cutie who flips the fucking POS tablet over to you LMAO

>>28501363
The Jews took your foreskin. Mine is intact. God, I love being European!

>>28501367
I'm uncut but carry on, Muhammed.

>>28501363
>Cutie
>Those fat rolls
I knew americans were fat but jesus christ

>>28501363
you just broke my neck

>>28501359
>central European country
Stopped reading there. Why do you assholes all act the same?

>>28501412
She was pleasingly plump, shut your whore mouth.
>>28501463
Brown dog turned his head so much he broke it, son.

>>28501363
Would.

>>28498224 (OP)
Too expensive for a lot of people.
& too boring for a lot of people
.t is350 owner.

>>28498258
>having ties to the government and governmental funding institutions.
>being a goverment leech is seen as good in europe
we should have never saved you from communism,you deserved it

>>28501235
In the States it's common to see huge Trughs and SUVs that cost as much as a Lexus to own and operate, but are trash both in terms of dependability and driving experience. I put it down to bad taste, rather than budget.

>>28501359
> This literally doesn't happen in my central European country.
Yeah, because you all smoke ten packs a day and die at 40 from soccer hooliganism.

everybody isnt a car loving faggot

>>28501333
>BRICS and Turkey
>Healthcare
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>28501333
>while I enjoy my life.
... seething about americans? quite the enjoyment there champ

>>28501341
>EUgroid
>black men on his mind
tale as old as time

>>28501372
Proof?

>clean 2016 rx360, 75000 miles, $24720
more miles than I'd like. was targeting 60 - 65k. The price is right, though....
>WAIT OR GET IT?

>>28502426
>American pays twice as much as Sweden for healthcare
>money goes to Jewish CEOs and lobbyists milking him dry
>American is actually proud of how much he pays
The US and Israel are in the perfect codependent findom relationship. Americans want to be treated like submissive paypigs, and Israel enjoys the money. I don't want to hear you cry about the Jews again.

Why are yurocucks so desperate to suck the dicks of “high society” and flaunt their ultra wealthy as “classier” than the wealthy in America.

It’s like they’re genetically wired to be peasants and suck the dicks of their feudal lords.

>>28501359
What is it with yuropoors never being specific about which country they're from? It's not just on /o/ either, they all talk a big game about how the USA is a shithole but they never admit which country they actually live in. There's no way you actually feel any sort of nationalism to the EU right? That's pathetic if true.

>>28504297
Probably the same reason Americans don't mention their state if that is not relevant to the contents of their post.

There's another reason that just came to my mind: your average American doesn't know where most of the Euro countries are, but West/Central/East/Balkan/Mediterranean gives the reader rough estimation of what to expect in terms of weather, culture, prosperity and so on. Same reason state names don't mean much to Euros, most of us probably don't even know where the salt states are.

>>28504337
Who the hell cares?

>>28498285
eurocope

>>28504356
>asks question
>gets answer
>Who the hell cares?

>>28498713
Toyota Avalons are the better ES300hs until you get into the high-end trims.

>better head unit/infotainment
>rear seats fold down to accommodate bulky cargo
>better exterior styling from 3 out of 4 directions
>Limited trim’s amenities are directly comparable with lower trim ES300hs
>no badge tax / “rich man’s car” stereotyping

The only real drawback is that you have to deal with the Toyota dealership instead of the Lexus one. Same story with the old Land Cruisers vs their Lexus LX counterparts.

>>28498258
>In Europe, flashing wealth is generally frowned upon between top-performing professionals (TC +- 800k-1m/year, age <40, top doctors in private practice, star lawyers, etc). Leasing, or god forbid, getting a LOAN for your car is seen as utterly pathetic. Like, who do you think you are, and why do you feel the need to show off?

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/leasing-news/2021/11/29/private-vehicle-ownership-falls-by-42-in-europe
>The leasing industry has grown in the past five years, with private ownership falling in Europe from 53% of total market in 2013, down to 42% in 2021, according to research by Jato Dynamics.
https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/stuck-in-the-fossil-age-are-car-leasing-companies-in-the-eu-green-leaders-or-greenwashing
>Today half of all new cars in the EU are leased, not bought. Leasing companies, owned by banks or carmakers, are the secret giants of the automotive world. Combined, the top seven leasing companies register 30% of new cars in the EU and hold a fleet with an estimated 9.3 million cars.

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/stats/fvc/html/ecb.fvcs21q2~5e15f813b0.en.html
>Turning to the borrowing sector of securitised loans, loans to euro area households amounted to €753 billion at the end of the second quarter of 2021
https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/europe-car-loan-market
>The Europe Car Loan Market size is estimated at EUR 303.46 billion in 2025, and is expected to reach EUR 400.39 billion by 2030, at a CAGR of 5.7% during the forecast period (2025-2030).
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1065113/umfrage/anteil-der-per-kredit-oder-leasing-finanzierten-privaten-pkw-in-deutschland/
>47% of new cars are financed in Germany


I don't understand why you even lie and pretend to be European when you clearly are not. That or you're some city busrider who doesn't even own cars.

>>28501333
Hey I just want you to know that there are more MRI machines in the US state of Vermont than in the entirety of Canada. And that's just MRI in general. If you need the newest, bleeding edge functional MRI tech, you had better be in the US too, since Vermont also has more medical cyclotrons for making the isotopes you need.

>>28498224 (OP)
I doubt most people buying Lexus are buying for the clout. If they're anything like my parents, they're buying it because they want a nice car to buy as they enter retirement that will be enjoyable (read, not sporty, just quiet and easy going) and hassle free. Just because these buyers could afford to drive a Merc E wagon, and have anything wrong covered under warranty, doesn't mean that they want to fool with it, and many are old enough to have deep rooted hatred for some makes. Additionally, if they are retiring, they probably want to buy it outright and reduce their obligations once their income shrinks, so they are often looking to take the Lexus to the grave instead of trade up in 3 years.

What this board misses a lot (due to skewing young and carless) is that for the vast majority of people, cars are purely functional items that occasionally signal lifestyle aspirations. A means to get you from one place where life happens to another place where life happens. People here love to use 'boring' as the absolute worst thing a car can be, but for most people cars are only 'exciting' when they're causing problems. And the older I get the more I get that. I've got a job and a family now. There just aren't enough hours in the day to fuck around with project cars I don't really care about. I just cannot justify having my family driving a car where I'm constantly worried its going to strand them while running errands.