American automakers don't make wagons anymore.

>>28499533 (OP)
in a decade or so, zoomers will see SUVs as cringe mom-mobiles just as millennials saw station wagons and minivans

>>28499762
you mean gen alpha. wagons and mini vans still existed and were common when zoomers were young.

>>28499848
ok boomer

>>28499533 (OP)
Nobody bought them. They all turned into SUV/CUVs

>>28499533 (OP)
Technically they do.

>>28499762
minivans are being styled like crossovers now. the crossover is like the crab body plan of cars

They should make wagons that are raised a bit so it allows you to easily haul cargo and car seats for kids and stuff.
Oh wait thats exactly what a crossover is
The optimal family car has been achieved and there's nothing you can do about it lol.

>>28499975
you could also make your crossover have 3 rows of seats and a more cargo space if theyre folded down, you now have a minivan. the optimal family/diy/contractor car. thats what really killed station wagons.

>>28500010
You could also make your minivan a little taller for more cargo space, you now have a Fiat Ramvan

>>28499533 (OP)
>American automakers don't make wagons anymore.
They do, they're just called full-size SUVs. What did you expect with a culture where size is status?

>>28499875
>the crossover is like the crab body plan of cars
It's not particularly optimal at everything, but has enough plausible deniability to not be accused of any shortcoming.
>truck
compensating for something, aggressively retarded
>sedan
probably doesn't care about cars at all to the point where they won't even buy the crossover
>minivan
incel, even though it's literally the car for sex havers
>coupe/sports car
probably male, probably ronery
>crossover
normie

It's absolutely astonishing to me that someone at Dodge was able to sell young men on driving a station wagon. Whoever came up with the marketing for the Magnum earned their wages.

>>28499866
are we doing this thing again where posters on a car board dont understand the difference between a truck and car?

>>28499875
>minivans are being styled like crossovers now. t

I like this development honestly. The main thing keeping me from getting a minivan is the looks.

I wish Toyota would do something like this for the next Sienna.

>>28500266

For the sake of argument. Lets say I take a body on frame Buick Roadmaster with a 350 V8 and I lift it and put a tow bar on it. What is it?

How about if I lower that Suburban down to car ride height? Is it a wagon?

The only real constant definition would seem to be the roof height.

>>28500295
>What is it?

It's clearly a production car

>The only real constant definition would seem to be the roof height.

Yeah, and the body height, length, width, suspension setup, ladder frame construction, the grade of steel used vs a car, towing capacity, the accumulation of factors that anyone with an ounce of car knowledge can tell you "thats a truck" with ease

>>28500302
>Yeah, and the body height, length, width

You're not familiar with how huge a Buick Roadmaster is are you?

>suspension setup

You mean like the raised Roadmaster?

>ladder frame construction

The Buick Roadmaster is body on frame dingus, I said as much.

>the grade of steel used vs a car

What?

>towing capacity

Again, I proposed putting a towbar on a Roadmaster with a 350 V8. You think it couldn't out tow a 4 cylinder Ford Ranger?

>the accumulation of factors that anyone with an ounce of car knowledge can tell you "thats a truck" with ease

The raised Buick Roadmaster met every definition you proposed except for possibly "grade of steel" which is nonsense.

>>28500311
>The raised Buick Roadmaster met every definition you proposed except for possibly "grade of steel" which is nonsense.


Look at the c-platform Roadmaster next to an actual truck

Shit posts like yours happen when retards who don't know anything about cars philosophize what *IS* a car

Basically, shut the fuck up

>>28499533 (OP)
Do they even make cool concept cars any more?

>>28499533 (OP)
Problem is that almost nobody builds station wagons with 4WD, larger displacement naturally aspirated 300+hp engines. Most of car manufacturers have been too fucking lazy to do this.

>>28500288
speaking of toyota, they snuck a wagon into the lineup. it just needs more power

>>28500385
I don't acknowledge the crown as a wagon. it's just a chop top crossover. i took measurements of it vs a real wagon and a crossover

5 series - crown - highlander
length 199 - 194 - 195
height 60 - 64 - 69
wheelbase 118 - 112 - 112
ground clearance 6 - 7 - 8

parked next to a real suv it might look like a wagon but parked next to a real car it looks gigantic.

>>28500363
Chrysler and GM did until 2010 and 2015 or so. What happened?

>>28500385
Crossovers don't count.

>>28500036
Literally every car that isn't an ford F650, a miata, a lamborghini, or a cadillac escalade can be accused of being "worst of all words" or "a compromise"
That argument has never made sense to me.
>>28500385
Hybrids aren't real cars

>>28500363
That would be pointless when the Tahoe/Suburban exists. It's even more pointless when the Tahoe/Burb are IFS/IRS and closer to cars than trucks at this point. You can also just buy a 3 row crossover if that's too "trucky" for you.

>>28499533 (OP)
Yeah they do.
They just make them three times as big now and call them "Sport Utility Vehicles".
And the profit margin is a lot better.

>>28499875
We're getting a Carnival soon. Not a lot of headroom especially with the dual sunroofs, but oh no no no no! ... we can't have a minivan looking like a minivan!!

>>28499533 (OP)
We don't even get european wagons here either.

this is what they took from you

>>28499975
How is it easier to "haul cargo and car seats" if it's raised?

>>28499975
>raised
cringe

>>28500783
It's a lot easier than loading shit into something like a low slung sedan. It's just physics but you can try it yourself. It's also easier to get in and out of a taller vehicle than it is to slide yourself in and out of a low slung sedan. That's why old people like crossovers, SUV's and trucks.

Thank Hollywood for constantly pushing that
>only dysfunctional families and criminals use wagons!
meme for decades.

>>28500792
What are you talking about? Most of the time the wagon is shown as a family (as in "parents plus kids plus maybe a dog") vehicle.

>>28500790
No it's not, you're retarded. Just because you say something doesn't make it so.

>>28500800
Why do you think beds and chairs are the heights they are?

>>28500823
Go shill for SUVs somewhere else, punk ass bitch

>>28500327
>an actual truck

You listed 8 different ways that the Roadmaster wasn't a truck and you were wrong on all of them.

So now you've listed size again and you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. Pic related.

Basically, you're a retard and you should have kept your mouth shut instead of digging a deeper hole. I would have been nice to you if you hadn't come out the gate being smug; but you don't deserve. You're an autistic retard starting meaningless fights on the internet and you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

Go back to lurking new fag.

>>28500034
This is not a Taurus Station Wagon. It's a crossover SUV. *wink wink*

>>28500415
>That argument has never made sense to me.
I do it based on median price and consumer demand for capability to the 95th percentile. Most people drive alone most of the time, for a set distance, for a set time.

If you fall outside of that, then the demands are different, but you're going to be in a way different vehicle than what the vast majority of people will be happy with.

>>28499762
You said that 10 years ago. The desire for CAR REAL BIG will never stop in this crab bucket of a society. Wagon is long, but you don't see long in traffic, you see tall, so crab society will keep buying the crab of body styles, the SUV.