>Toyota has the worst climate lobbying score of any automaker, and the third-worst 2030 EV production plans, according to InfluenceMap’s annual report on climate lobbying.

Another year, another report showing how bad Toyota is for the environment.

Toyota has routinely ranked at the bottom of InfluenceMap’s climate policy engagement rankings, and this year is no different.

InfluenceMap routinely ranks automakers and auto industry associations based on how much they lobby to stop climate policy goals. These rankings don’t just show automakers’ EV plans, but also show how much each automaker is doing to try to stop governments from protecting the populace from pollution.

Some of this lobbying comes from automakers themselves, and some of it comes from their membership in trade associations, which aggregate the positions of several companies to increase lobbying power.

InfluenceMap looks at the actions of these trade associations across the globe, and ranks automakers based on how many associations they’re a member of, how many briefs they’ve filed in favor of or against various climate policy goals, and what their plans are for the future of their manufacturing.

https://electrek.co/2024/05/14/toyota-once-again-ranked-as-worst-automaker-on-climate-lobbying-globally/

>>28507774 (OP)
Retarded as fuck, lefties were in love with them over the Prius, now you stab them in the back because they haven't taken the plunge with EVs. EVs don't make sense in Japan, shit-for-brains. You're just another self-centered Amerinigger that needs culling.

>>28507774 (OP)
it being the 'worst' is really a matter of perspective in this case, but i appreciate these propagandists announcing their bias right in the headline so they can be more easily ignored.

>>28507774 (OP)
bad faith argument thread
please leave

>>28507788
>EVs don't make sense in Japan
How come? I'm not trying to be a pest, I just don't exactly know a lot about the automotive scene over there, but I'd imagine that people in Japan don't have to drive nearly as far as people do over here so wouldn't electric vehicles be pretty convenient for them?
Like I figure they might have some issues with mountains but if they have to climb a mountain they can just regen some power on the other side, I think

>>28507774 (OP)
YOU MUST BEND THE KNEE

>>28507774 (OP)
>telling climate-retards to go fuck themselves
Another reason why Toyota is consistently top-ranked.

In Toyota I trust

Isn't this the ranking Tesla occasionally wins, because they are not bribing anybody?

>>28507788
>EVs don't make sense in Japan
elaborate

>>28507919
>>28507998
Mandatory inspections/taxes that are based off the weight and age of a car that increase every year+ required parking that you have to submit a form to the police to approve so good luck with the charger. it's pretty expensive for the average Japanese person alone to own a normie car by their own standard

>>28507919
>>28507998
>>28508034
Its the land of the Prius and LEAF and iMIEV
Not the land of NOCARS.

>>28507788
Hybrids are a scam. The minimal amount of battery generated from braking means it's only worth it for inner city driving. If you're on highway, hybrids do fuck all. Either go PHEV or preferrably BEV. Hybrids are only good for Pajeet Uber drivers only doing downtown driving.

>>28507774 (OP)
Death to climate alarmists

>>28507955
Based

>>28508461
Your one single tiny retard brain cell isn't working very well.
Go take your meds

>>28507774 (OP)
>toyota bad because they won't bribe politicians

>>28507998
>>28507919
>How come?
Everyone young and professional lives in one major metro: Tokyo. In Tokyo everyone that isn't rich lives in apartments or very small homes where they have a driveway with space for ONE CAR. I vacationed in Japan for almost a month. It's a very mountainous country and outside the two major metros, there ain't much. It's not a country that's conducive to electric car ownership with sky high electricity prices, geography that cucks you if you don't end up traveling downhill in equal parts to regenerate some electricity and typically one car for the whole family. The nuclear power plant disaster didn't help Japan's electricity affordability for what it's worth. Observe, the best selling EV in Japan.

>>28508461
>Hybrids are a scam. The minimal amount of battery generated from braking means it's only worth it for inner city driving.
Hybrids use tiny <2 kWh batteries that cost under $3,000 to replace and in Toyotas at least last about 200,000 miles. Gasoline is already far more energy dense than current lithium-ion cells per kilogram. So with economies of scale batteries are only going to get cheaper, which impacts hybrid affordability as well. On the rav4 I purchased the difference between a FWD base I4 rav4 and the base hybrid was $1,300. $1,300 to get AWD standard, alloys, A/C vents for the 2nd row and +10 MPG in the city. EVs in their current iteration are a bum deal by comparison. I don't need to charge a hybrid, it works fine in the winter with minimal MPG loss, and I can do a cross country trip without a second thought. EV cultists are positively insane lmao.

>>28507774 (OP)
TOYOTA CHADS WIN AGAIN

>>28507774 (OP)
>EV homos trying to slander the biggest companies for not making more EVs
They're desperate to sell batteries, aren't they? Reminds me of the insane spending on random solar panels and wind turbines over the last 15 years. Accomplishing nothing other than an easy avenue for skimming and grift. Its all so tiresome seeing this shit being so transparent.

>>28507774 (OP)
AC system in car helps a lot on protecting car drivers against heat waves. I dont believe into climate change.

>>28507774 (OP)
ok now I will buy toyota
they're also the best selling luxury vehicles now
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64589009/bestselling-luxury-cars-2025/

>>28508502
Yes hybrids are just means to improve downtown MPG. However if you're primarily driving in cities than EV is best option as battery driven motors excel at that type of traffic. The hybrid system is literally just bandaid. I'd rather get a proper ICE car with good torque than that hybrid crap that takes up space for minimum gain. And also you don't end up looking like an Indian Uber driver either.

Either go full battery or just stick to a good ICE vehicle. That hybrid tranny shit leaves you with a very unfulfilling vehicle to drive, no fun or character. Like most recent Toyota cars.

>>28508461
>Hybrids are a scam. The minimal amount of battery generated from braking means it's only worth it for inner city driving. If you're on highway, hybrids do fuck all.
>runs on a self regenerating battery when in the city where gasoline efficiency goes to total shit
>runs on gasoline on the highway where battery efficiency goes to shit
What's the problem?

Lobbying should be illegal.

>>28508961
It's a gay tranny system. Commit to a single engine. I have never driven a hybrid that's fun or soulful. Hybrids feel like the most joyless ass vehicles to drive. Their combustion engines are almost always gutted and castrated. Uber drivers love them because inner city MPG is good but it makes for a shit non-taxi car.

Gasoline > Fully Electric > Diesel > Plug in > regular hybrid

>>28508979
>Commit to a single engine.
Almost all hybrids use a gas engine and an electric motor so they already have.
>I have never driven a hybrid that's fun or soulful
Those that are fun and soulful we can't afford
>Uber drivers love them because inner city MPG is good but it makes for a shit non-taxi car.
I owned a RAV4 Hybrid, its highway MPG was also better than the gas variant. Not sure what hybrids you've been looking at but they still beat their gas engine only equivalents on the highway. You coast and occasionally brake on the highway, with regen braking some of that energy is recaptured. In a hybrid the engine can turn off and you can still blast the A/C and music at a red light for a minute or two.

LE FWD: 27 city / 35 highway / 30 combined mpg
LE AWD: 27 city / 34 highway / 30 combined mpg
XLE FWD: 27 city / 34 highway / 30 combined mpg
XLE AWD: 27 city / 33 highway / 29 combined mpg
Limited AWD: 25 city / 33 highway / 28 combined mpg

The hybrid version of the RAV4 offers significantly higher fuel economy, with an estimated 41 city / 38 highway / 39 combined mpg for most trims, and 38 city / 35 highway / 37 combined mpg for the Woodland Edition

Thanks @grok

>>28508979
Porsche's e-hybrid system is the future of sports cars. It's incredible.

>>28508979
Why should the average normie A to B getter who actually buys cars care about the shitty tranny or soulful driving? It gets good mpg, it drives smoothly, and noise is also pretty low in the city. Given the numbers the hybrid business is booming.

>>28509097
I'd rather just get a plug in hybrid and use the gasoline engine as a backup engine when I forgot to charge.

>>28508502
EVs are obviously far superior in the city/during daily commutes, and require very minimal compromises when doing a road trip.

normal people were already going to be doing pit stops every 2/3/4 hours of driving during a trip.
if using an EV, those stops would be extended by 0-20 minutes, depending on exactly how modern the EV is. recent ones can do 10-80% in under 20 mins, which wouldn't even extend a pit stop. by the time you got your coffee, went to the bathroom and stretched a little, its charged and ready.
and ofc, its worth remembering that normal people don't really do road trips that often. its not a weekly thing, more like a couple times a year. so, even if we assume a worse case scenario with 30+mins charge times, which is indeed inconvenient, the inconvenience is limited to a few times a year. and can also be avoided if you want by renting an ICE for the trip. wouldn't think its worth it, by if some1 wanted to, they could.

on the flipside tho, the benefits of EV ownership are most pronounced in every day life.
you wake up every morning with a full battery and you never have to go to a gas station.
you save money on fuel and on maintenance.
you get shitloads of horsepower very cheaply.
you get a much quieter car.
you get a much more spacious car (relative to external dimensions, ofc) because of much superior packaging.
(if tesla) you get fsd that can do 90+% of your boring daily driving for you.
these are not minor things, and they're well worth a minor extension of your 1-2 pit stops during your 1-2 annual road trips.

>inb4 i do cross-country roadtrips every weekend and i positively insist on making driving the full range of my car between fill ups and stopping for as little time as i can, so as to make the best time possible, like its a race or something
fine, don't buy an EV.
but you're not a typical person, you're a wacko.

>>28509201
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.
EVs make great dailies. Keeps the boring miles off the sports cars too.

>>28509201
>>28509207
get a room, and buy an ad, ranjesh and ahmed

>>28509201
>you get a much quieter car.
lmao 75db on a highway at 75mph is not quiet, again Elon you need to find better shills and writers for your shilling script than these indians

>>28509213
wtf are you talking about?
the new 3/y are very quiet at motorway speeds **COMPARED TO EQUALLY PRICED CARS**
do you think its fair to compare a 40-50k car like the 3/y vs a 80-100k car, like a 5/7 series?
the s/x which are *supposed* to be the luxury options are very quiet indeed. not quite up to the level of an s-class or i7, but they're also 100k instead of 150-200k.
also, teslas can be massively improved in this respect with added sound proofing. its time consuming, but easy enough to diy on your driveway.
you can get a $20-25k used model 3/y LR AWD, add ~$2k worth of sound proofing, add the shocks from the new 3/y which easily drop in, and you have something that's super quiet and super comfy for 30k

>inb4 jeet
fuck india and everyone who comes from there
while we're at it, fuck elon for being pro-h1b, this shit will bite him in the ass eventually when tesla/x/xAI/spacex software starts to suffer from jeet coding.

>>28508498
>>28507774 (OP)
>>28509207
>>28509201
>climate change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP_Fn0bnxaw

>>28509201
i do cross-country roadtrips every weekend and i positively insist on making driving the full range of my car between fill ups and stopping for as little time as i can, so as to make the best time possible, like its a race or something

>>28509426
>i do cross-country roadtrips every weekend
You're in england, ireland, or some other [formerly] white euro country aren't you?

>>28509428
nah, I was shitposting. I'm in america. but I do make thousand mile road trips a few times a year to visit family.
in the summer when the days are long I can get it done in one day of driving, which is not something that's possible in an electric car.

>>28509235
For a $40-$50k car, tesla interiors are atrocious, basically prius tier with hard plastic everywhere.

>>28509437
I've seen a couple teslas and other EVs between my house and a family member's house 900 miles away. Its hard to tell if they're going between the towns but when they have a roof rack and luggage and the car is packed full of people, they're on a road trip. I asked a guy in Amarillo where he came from and where he's going and how he likes road tripping in an EV. He was basically taking a slightly shorter trip than I was explaining 12 hours was his limit for driving and thats about exactly the time he calculated with stops at superchargers in multiple areas. He didn't fully mind it because stretching your legs and walking around for like an hour at each charge was welcomed, but its also just sitting there like a doofus.
Thats compared to the 1 fuel up in my vehicle that got 25mpg (18 gal tank) to get there in about 9 hours.

Its possible, just adds about 25-35% more time to the trip. I think thats similar to the people who road trip with a dog and have to stop every 2-3 hours to let them out.

>>28509445
Oh wow! A car that can do a road trip! Astonishing, I'm heading out to buy one right now OP! You really opened my eyes.

>>28509439
>hard plastic everywhere
there isn't any hard plastic on tesla interiors.
material quality is quite good, everything is either soft touch, their fake leather, or pretty good plastics trimmer with chrome on the console. and no piano black, unlike other mfgs, tesla actually listened to complaints about it.
again, definitely not up to s-class/7series standards, but more than decent, ESPECIALLY for a 40-50k car. in the model s/x, for 100k, you could definitely ask for something better, but even there, what tesla offers isn't bad by any means. just not as good as the best the germans can do.

and as for the interior being so sparse, all i have to say is that you have to live with it for a while to appreciate it. the vast majority of tesla owners are very appreciative of it, usually commenting that its very relaxing to drive in. particularly when taken together with an infotainment that works extremely well, far better than anything the germans(or japs, or gooks) have to offer, and fsd, which relieves you of 90+% of all boring driving.

really, the only complaint i will accept about tesla interiors (other than material quality not matching much more expensive cars) is the lack of the turn signal stalk. and ill only accept that from people in countries with lots of roundabouts. in every other circumstance, the buttons are easy to work with.

>>28509445
>because stretching your legs and walking around for like an hour at each charge was welcomed
bullshit. even early model S would only need 30-40 mins for charging stops. recent models, its under 20 mins.

>>28509465
Only you care.

>>28509463
Maybe they improved it in the newer ones? The 4-5 year old ones I rode in for Uber rides were really mediocre. One time I rode in the middle seat of a Y and it was like sitting on a brick.

>>28509467
fuck off. i fucking hate all the blatant lying and fud against EVs.

no, charging stops don't take a fucking hour. its 20 minutes, 30 tops if you have a very old one.
no, they won't fucking explode for no reason. we all walk around every day carrying a cell with a lithium battery in our pocket, and we sleep with it on the nightstand charging. they don't explode for no reason.
no, batteries won't degrade massively in 5 years. a 2016 model S on its original battery recently managed 200 miles in a mixed cycle test by whatcar
no, tesla interiors aren't shit (anymore, the early prod units definitely had issues)
no, you won't lose 50% of your range in winter. more like 10%.

just fuck off with all the horseshit. if you don't like EVs, fine, don't buy one. just stop lying out your ass. its jeet behavior.

>>28509452
I'm not OP and I'm also not dumb like you to want to extend my road trip by a few hours.
>>28509465
Who cares? 20-80% in 20 minutes is pretty decent. Realistically, because the chargers are built by a shyster it may take 40 minutes if the chargers you find haven't been vandalized or inoperable with a confusing payment and mandatory app signup, and they're not already full from other teslas needing to charge for 20+ minutes.

>>28509484
>Maybe they improved it in the newer ones?
i don't remember the update history precisely. i know that originally, the 3/y had a piano black center console, which everyone complained about (and promptly wrapped, usually in carbon fiber wrap)
beyond that, afaik, it was always soft plastics and fake leather all around, plus wood trim on older models. new ones have the fabric trim.
aside from the piano black and fit and finish issues in early models, i don't recall anyone ever complaining about anything else.

>One time I rode in the middle seat of a Y and it was like sitting on a brick.
middle seats are always harder and taller than side seats. they have to be to make the sides more bucket-y, so the passengers don't go flying around. this is a thing in literally every car except minivans that have 3 separate, identical seats. and also old american cars that basically have a couch back there (b-b-b-based).

>>28509496
>I'm also not dumb like you to want to extend my road trip by a few hours.
I drive gas cars so I don't have this issue at all.

>>28507774 (OP)
You forgot to attach the Gigachad image.

based
i will continue to enjoy my v8 toyota

>>28509437
you drove 1000 miles in 3.5 hours? wtf??

>make the most hybrids and EV related vehicles
>rated "worst" because they say that lithium ion batteries are not ideal and that everyone shouldn't have them
Funny how they hate the only company actively trying to get emissions down in a realistic way only because they don't go all in on Chinese-lithium strip mines

>>28507774 (OP)
Basado.

>>28508979
>electric above diesel and regular hybrid
EV shill begone

>>28509145
>i'd rather have an anemic ICE in a way too heavy car
>with big heavy expensive battery

>>28509201
EVs are the future. We're only a few years away from EVs basically adressing all its shortcomings. Just look how durable LFP batteries are compared to LNM, the former not even requiring rare earth minerals. People said Teslas sold in 2016 would be junk today. Turns out they've aged better than similar ICE cars released that year. The battery loses a few miles but not enough for owners to even care. The battery is likely to outlast the car in most cases.

>>28509583
>just have to do 0-60 in 3 seconds every time I start off
>It must have far too much power and light weight for no reason at all!

>>28509539
Hybrids don't really lower emissions in a meaningful manner. While battery manufacturing is hardly a net neutral extraction of resources, it's still more preferrable than global warming. And the more use EVs, the more research will be invested in making batteries cheaper, more durable and more eco friendly. Battery technology has come longer in five years than ICE has in decades.

>>28509603
What? Do you know how to use greentext?

>>28509602
>THEY ARE THE FUTURE BECAUSE I SAY SO
Even China is cutting incentives anon, just admit the actual future is hybrids

>>28509613
cutting incentives is a good sign thoughever. it indicates the technology can support itself on its own merits

>>28509613
The future isn't hybrid. The carbon emission offloading from hybrids isn't enough. You're better off just driving some 100hp I4 1.0 liter shitbox and get cheaper maintenance with similar MPG. Hybrids are so redundant. You get neither performance or good MPG compared to ICE alternatives.

>>28509616
nta
normally yes, but in this case its more a matter of the ccp deciding that the exploration phase has gone on long enough, and its time for some consolidation. the various chink ev mfgs that popped up during the incentives phase will face a crunch, some will go bankrupt, the winners will buy them, and they'll be left with a few big ev mfgs that between them will absorb all the IP/knowledge/facilities of the ones that go bankrupt.
but yes, its very much not a sign that the chinese have lost faith in EVs, far from it. china is 100% all-in in EVs.

>>28509616
It's not really a free market no matter how it goes after a decade of billions of dollars in incentives propping up Tesla, then 5-10 years of forcing every other car company to dump billions into R&D, supply chain building, and retooling.

>>28507774 (OP)
Who did the ranking?
Was it the lobbying group?
>>28507955
>give us money to yell at governments to spend money to cool the planet or we'll publish an article ranking you as the worst.

>>28509629
Because the petrol industry is purely free market, free of benefits and incentives, right? Because the American MIC doesn't exist to protect the petrol industry, right? Because the trillions that have gone to propping up Qatari sheiks is money better spent right?

>>28509626
China could use some consolidation. They have too many start up brands on top of competition from imported EVs.

>>28509612
>yes, I used it mockingly to show how stupid you are
>and in this post I'm using it ironically

>>28509640
I can see China going full SK and making BYD their main brand

>>28507774 (OP)
its because toyoda is obsessed with hydrogen (based). thats it.

>>28509676
Toyota doesn't give a single shit about hydrogen. It's just a red herring so they don't seem so backwards in PR and to their shareholders.

>>28509700
this. toyota's claim to fame (and sales) for the past decade and a half was
>hey, we make reliable cars that get good mpg(because hybrid)
EVs are killing them. they get hugely better mpg(well, mpg equivalent) and they're much more reliable.
its a classic case of not eating your own lunch soon enough, so some1 else shows up and eats it for you. they're boned.

>>28507979

>>28509710
Kek EV shills are so insane. Can you even charge your car in your village in India?
>>28509714
Lay off the burritos you FAT FUCK

>>28509643
So you don't know. Get out, shill your shit somewhere else.

>>28509998
What product or shilling or brand do you think it is I am shilling? Because I'm just calling you an idiot but you think I'm shilling.

>>28510006
So-called EV agenda

>>28510013
Yeah? Big EV selling like 4000 cars per year has the funding to pay a retard to shill their ethos on this earwax collection display forum? Is that what you think is happening here?

>>28509528
Based super speeder.

>>28508498
I'd imagine that Japan having two separate electrical grids that run on different frequencies probably doesn't help either. Their household infrastructure also sucks for it, the baseline is 100v instead of 120v and 200v wiring seems to be pretty rare in all but the newest houses, unlike the US where everybody's already got a few outlets for dryers, stoves, etc. and the wiring in the house is designed to support more.

>>28510026
A real retard move would be doing that for free.

>>28508461
The Prius is still a great car, though. It also btfos all EVs.

>>28510030
Yeah, he's casually doing 280mph+ in a Tesla ;)

>>28507774 (OP)
>The Jew Fears the Samurai
Because they know that EVs suck and are more dedicated to making good vehicles than they are sucking Jewish cock. This basically reads “Toyota is the most based Auto manufacturer in the world”. God bless Toyota. Pray for their victory.

>>28507774 (OP)
>the makers of the isis mobile™ don't care about climate
wow