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Anonymous No.28510256 [Report] >>28510290 >>28510294 >>28510310 >>28510315 >>28510319 >>28510787 >>28510835 >>28510930 >>28511006 >>28511062 >>28511399 >>28511401 >>28511416 >>28511423 >>28511789 >>28512001 >>28514584 >>28514624 >>28514818 >>28516302 >>28517755 >>28517762 >>28521348 >>28521454 >>28524141
Do you buy the more expensive gas? Is it actually worth it? I've heard it's better enough for your car that you save money in maintenance long term. How can you actually calculate that?
Anonymous No.28510290 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
>Do you buy the more expensive gas?
Yes
>Is it actually worth it?
Yes, because my car is tuned for it.
>I've heard it's better enough for your car that you save money in maintenance long term.
If it's supposed to take regular, no it's not, and no it won't.
>How can you actually calculate that?
>get a rough number of how many gallons you use for 150k miles
>multiply that by ~$1.25
>realize how stupid this idea is
Premium fuel isn't "better" it's just able to withstand more compression before it detonates prematurely.
Anonymous No.28510294 [Report] >>28510805 >>28511799
>>28510256 (OP)
E85 is life
Anonymous No.28510310 [Report] >>28510313 >>28517200 >>28521611
>>28510256 (OP)
What you want is gas stations that sell Top Tier rated gasoline. It has more than the minimum amount of additives in it. Here's a great explanation.
https://youtu.be/DAmEGI7xvBw?si=iEZ-QI0hZx6s6KJj
You can even get an app to show you where these stations are located.
Anonymous No.28510313 [Report] >>28510792 >>28510950 >>28511388 >>28515274
>>28510310
>Top Tier
scam tier. Brands like BP have better mixes and aren't top tier simply because there's no reason to pay to be certified
Anonymous No.28510315 [Report] >>28510964
>>28510256 (OP)
if you aren't getting engine knocking on regular gasoline you have literally no reason to buy higher octane
Anonymous No.28510319 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
Use the octane rating recommended in your owners manual.
Anonymous No.28510787 [Report] >>28521350
>>28510256 (OP)
I'll run a tank of premium a couple times a year even though my shit runs on regular. Pointless? Probably but maybe those extra "detergents and bullshit" help clean shit out. Maybe it's placebo but things feel better after a tank of premium and a good Italian tune-up. Stations will run out of regular occasionally and give you premium for the price of regular.

Meanwhile my work van requires premium but the company makes me run regular lol. Yes our fleet manager is retarded.
Anonymous No.28510792 [Report]
>>28510313
Isn't arco bp? Their gas sucks
Anonymous No.28510802 [Report]
that's the wrong pump
you want the one with the red pump that's ethanol free
that's the good gas
Anonymous No.28510805 [Report] >>28514754 >>28517755
>>28510294
Like fuck it is. You better be running well north of 1000hp before you dabble with that bullshit. Needing E85 to make 350hp wheel means you got a shitty engine.
Anonymous No.28510835 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
>Do you buy the more expensive gas?
Yes
>Is it actually worth it?
No, I drive a 1 litre ecoboom without a remap
>I've heard it's better enough for your car that you save money in maintenance long term.
Not really, the additives in some brands can help but you can buy that separately. Just use what the manual recommends.
>How can you actually calculate that?
Math
Anonymous No.28510920 [Report]
yes my car requires 91
if your car doesn't require it then theres no point in using it
Anonymous No.28510930 [Report] >>28510963
>>28510256 (OP)
>tfw car fed exclusively cheapest possible 87 from Arco and it runs fine
All gas is the same unless you've got a 91 octane tuned car, the station doesn't mean shit, if your car is having problems running, it's probably not the gas, your car needs maintenance or something.
Anonymous No.28510950 [Report] >>28515274
You want the lowest octane you can run with no knock. High octane allows you to make more power from boost, high compression, or timing advance but higher octane on its own won't increase power at all.
>>28510313
This. Gas comes from the same places, different stations have different additive mixes. The detergents aren't that important, it's not like we take our every part and soak it in pure detergents. Many would qualify for top tier buy certification costs a big chunk of change.
Anonymous No.28510963 [Report] >>28510974
>>28510930
i've always wondered if differing quality of fuel was a burger thing. in aus we rarely get incidents where water breached a tank and then people's cars got fucked, but otherwise fuel is fuel. the independents have never given me trouble, but the big ones like shell, bp or caltex/ampol apparently add detergents and whatnot. whether it's as effective as one of those liqui moly fuel system cleaners that everyone seems to say works, is an entirely different question. that being said, ampol being owned by chevron does apparently have techron which is an additive that everyone also seems to swear by.
Anonymous No.28510964 [Report] >>28511399 >>28517755
>>28510315
You won't notice it as ECU cathes it and just limit your power.

High compression is also high power but also high efficiency. To combat climate change and low power guzzlers, we should change to ethanol.
Anonymous No.28510974 [Report]
>>28510963
We're pretty much in the same situation as aussies, the fuel is fuel, the gas stations will brag about all this good shit the additives are gonna do for your engine despite gasoline being a solvent, and any engine with based port injection is cleaning it's intake valves as it squirts gas in there anyway, when in reality just taking care of your fucking car is what is gonna keep it running right, my car has been running on the cheapest fuel for over 20 years and it still runs fine because I never let the spark plugs foul up with shit tons of miles on them, or the intake filter get clogged to hell, it's just basic stuff that most normies don't do, but they'll be falling for marketing BS because they wanna act like they care about their car, while also probably not changing the oil.
Anonymous No.28511006 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
I buy regular from costco. Never had a problem. Higher octane fuels are required for higher compression engines. All higher octane does is prevent the fuel for detonating during the compression phase. If your car requires premium, you need to put premium in it or the engine could knock which can wipe out the rod and main bearings.
Anonymous No.28511062 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
My car is tuned to run on 98 so yes.
With 91 it has noticeably worse power, fuel efficiency and runs like shit.
Check the owners manual of your car it will tell you what it is tuned for, most are tuned for 91.
Anonymous No.28511388 [Report] >>28511648
>>28510313
Then why does my car's user manual recommend it? Were they paid off?
Anonymous No.28511399 [Report] >>28511758
>>28510256 (OP)
Yes. My car is built to run on premium fuel, its only fuel how engine gives full performance. If I put regular gas then ECU limits maximum power output to protect engine against knocking.
>>28510964
Climate change is scam. Ethanol free gasoline should be federally banned to make sure that American cars never need more emissions control systems, like gasoline particle filter that's already mandatory in cars at europoo countries. No-ethanol means +65-80% increase on cancerous BTEX content in gasoline to provide the needed octanes for gasoline to run engines without knocking issues.
Anonymous No.28511401 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
Google the compression ratio and block/head material. I've got 10.2 and aluminum block/heads, so I run midgrade instead. Computer still thinks I'm running premium; I still beat the factory MPG rating with thicker oil.
Anonymous No.28511416 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
my car and my bike both require 93 otherwise they run like actual shit
Anonymous No.28511423 [Report] >>28511427
>>28510256 (OP)
Yes.
As a turbochad I buy high octane fuel.
Anonymous No.28511427 [Report]
>>28511423
Based boostyboi, I run 87 in my NA breather, but even if I had a Honda Civic turbo I would be putting in the best they have because even those shitboxes have immense cylinder pressures, and stupid ass Honda tells people it's okay to put regular in there, and people are wondering why they have problems compared to the old K series with stupidly low compression.
Anonymous No.28511648 [Report] >>28512410
>>28511388
>Were they paid off?
Is this a real question? Why would Top Tier, who makes big money off certifications, bribe manufacturers to put their name in manuals for recommended fuel?
Anonymous No.28511755 [Report] >>28511764
My engine was designed for 87, gets "no" benefit from 91, and is rated for a whole 5 more hp on e85.
It also makes nearly the same torque, and more power, than 90s high tech v8s designed for 91.

As always I'm going to post in these threads:
Running 91, in a non turbo 87 engine, is going to give you better low rpm torque when its hot out. Though you need to be able to flash a tune you make yourself to take any advantage of it, and it has nothing to do with changing base timing maps it's that you can relax tip-in spark cut and temp based spark modifier tables 3ish degrees. Has nothing to do with real knock too. Since air temp = air density and all of this affects optimal MBT spark, you cant or rather shouldnt actually advance the timing maps but just those modifier maps. Less dense air = less cylinder fill = minor spark advance, but nothing crazy. 91 rather, lets you recover lost torque potential instead of make gains. So instead of 125F IATs pulling -4.5 spark I can have it -1.5 and make 98% of rated torque instead of 95%, which you can't achieve running 87.

But i wager most of this board is too poor and too stupid to afford a tuner and understand how to use it.
Anonymous No.28511758 [Report] >>28511909
>>28511399
>its cancerous!
Those are lighter fuels and paint thinners, and all oil based chemicals are cancerous. Tired of you people who think your small opinion of a topic is everything about it.
Anonymous No.28511764 [Report]
>>28511755
Pretty much all the actual gear heads had the good sense to leave this shithole a long time ago, the few that stayed are just too dopamine-addicted to image board style forums.
Anonymous No.28511770 [Report]
my car drinks Shell premium and only Shell premium
Anonymous No.28511775 [Report]
Buy the octane your car recommends, no point in anything extra unless there's no detergent otherwise. But most gas today will have something like techron mixed in anyway
Anonymous No.28511789 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
My car can only take premium. 91 octane or higher.
Anonymous No.28511799 [Report] >>28511877 >>28514762 >>28517744
>>28510294
>subsidizing lazy ass Big Corn farmers who want to do nothing but grow corn even though it’s destroying what little is left of the topsoil and we’re about to have Dust Bowl 2.0 thanks to their greed and retardation
Anonymous No.28511877 [Report]
>>28511799
In one small defense let me clarify. I agree with you and understand the multiple problems going on that these farmers cause. Anyone with a real brain would agree.
But,

That corn is a different breed of low yield, fast growth. In the past it was only used for animal feed. Today it has a dual purpose. Almost none of this corn is strictly processed only for ethanol.
That corn feeds the BILLIONS of chickens and tens of millions of cows we eat every year.

>picrel
Fuck you nigger.
Anonymous No.28511909 [Report] >>28511949 >>28511954 >>28519328
>>28511758
Only cancer ethanol causes is a liver cancer.and only if you drink it TOO MUCH. I get nauseated by smell of pain thinners. Worse reek than diesel.must be toxic. Millions of years of evolution has build know of avoid toxins.
Anonymous No.28511919 [Report]
Mazda dropped their Skyactiv compression ratio in US models because they know american people think cheaper=cheaper. Meanwhile other countries get better fuel economy and power.
Anonymous No.28511949 [Report]
>>28511909
I said oil based, not naturally occurring alcohols. Yes people have an adaptive tolerance to some alcohols due to so many of our historic people using it for fun primarily and as a water purifier.
Anonymous No.28511954 [Report]
>>28511909
>pain thinners
suck.
Anonymous No.28511968 [Report] >>28511977
It has added detergents and lubricants, can reduce wear and carbon buildup
Anonymous No.28511977 [Report]
>>28511968
Detergents are based, but the problem is that GDi cars without the dual injection setup where they spray into the intake port to prevent coking are still gonna have carbon buildup, which means after a lot of miles GDi cars should have their intake cleaned of normal PCV buildup as well as intake valve cleaning so that the car doesn't misfire or do anything stupid.
Anonymous No.28511994 [Report] >>28511996 >>28515315
Takes less time for someone to unban themself as it does to ban them. An actual post about how you were the only one offended by your no-no words would unironically be more effective than administrative action. But then, you'd have to be capable of tolerating ridicule, the concept of accepting dissimilar beliefs as equally valid, and just plain letting people be themselves to understand that which I guess precludes the type of person willing to be a janny in the first place.
Because of the hack we have ALL seen how mentally juvenile most 4chan volunteers and staff really are. Calm down. That word didn't hurt anybody. The conceptual meaning behind the word is how we use it. Ignorance. Has nothing to do with actuql African Americans, at least how most people really mean when they use nigger.
For that matter if the concept of ignorance shoved into a smaller, more impactful word was more widely proliferated, with no connotation of racism, the people as a whole might behave better....
Food for thought my favorite janny banny.

Please wait a while before making this post.
Anonymous No.28511996 [Report] >>28512054 >>28512137
>>28511994
Jesus anon, I get you got beef with the jannies but it's a gasoline thread.
Anonymous No.28512001 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
There's no ethanol in it, so yes.
Anonymous No.28512054 [Report]
>>28511996
Well time to light the fire I guess.
Anonymous No.28512137 [Report]
>>28511996
They deleted all my other actually informative, helpful posts. Why should I hold back on my ridicule?
Anonymous No.28512410 [Report] >>28517106
>>28511648
There is no evidence that TOP TIER bribes automobile manufacturers to recommend their fuel. The relationship is a transparent, cooperative one built on mutual interest, not illicit payments.
The TOP TIER program was actually established in 2004 by a group of major automakers, including BMW, Ford, GM, Honda, and Toyota. They created a higher performance standard for gasoline because the minimum EPA requirements were not sufficient to protect increasingly sophisticated engines from performance-robbing deposits.
Fuel retailers voluntarily choose to participate. To earn the TOP TIER certification and use its logo, they pay licensing fees and must prove their gasoline meets the stricter detergent standards set by the automakers.
The benefits are mutual and transparent:
* For Automakers: Recommending TOP TIER fuel leads to better engine performance and longevity for their vehicles. This results in higher customer satisfaction, fewer warranty claims, and a stronger brand reputation.
* For Fuel Retailers: The certification is a powerful marketing tool that signals a higher quality product to consumers, differentiating them from competitors.
The system is based on shared interests in engine health and performance. The claim of bribery is unfounded; the structure is public, and the motivations are based on vehicle engineering and marketing, not secret kickbacks.
Anonymous No.28512450 [Report]
No wonder this board is so fucking dead why are there a bunch of deleted posts in a fucking petrol thread? People were banned for petrol opinions?
Anonymous No.28514584 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
Whatever the manufacturer recommends
Anonymous No.28514624 [Report] >>28514637
>>28510256 (OP)
Which one is diesel?
Anonymous No.28514637 [Report]
>>28514624
You get to suck trusker for that pump.
Anonymous No.28514754 [Report]
>>28510805
Nah flex fuel runs smoother than gasoline. As long as you aren't poor/have shitty fuel system.
Anonymous No.28514762 [Report] >>28514782 >>28515244
>>28511799
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO CONSUME OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE GULF. YOU CANT JUST USE HECKING RENEWABLE RESOURCES LIKE CORN
fuck off
Anonymous No.28514782 [Report] >>28514794 >>28514796
>>28514762
Oil from the middle east is based as fuck if the Jews would stop fucking with them, may I remind you why the 4 cylinder cuckbox took over the auto industry in the 70s is because of American involvement in Jewish wars, they're literally fucking things up and need to be removed immediately.
Anonymous No.28514794 [Report]
>>28514782
I still do not support arab oil. We should be making syn fuel already. Ethanol is a syn fuel. Also how do you get kikes to stop taking aipac money?
Anonymous No.28514796 [Report] >>28514799 >>28514805
>>28514782
>muh jews!!!
touch grass retard
Anonymous No.28514799 [Report]
>>28514796
Fuck you I want my dino juice car
Anonymous No.28514805 [Report] >>28514829
>>28514796
t. nigger taking aipac money
Anonymous No.28514818 [Report] >>28514877
>>28510256 (OP)
H2 is life.
https://supercarblondie.com/washington-hydrogen-pump-station-nine-times-cheaper-than-california/
Anonymous No.28514829 [Report] >>28514871
>>28514805
>everything i don't like must be jews
mentally ill obsessed methhead
Anonymous No.28514871 [Report]
>>28514829
>hating on meth heads
Seems pretty methphobic
Anonymous No.28514877 [Report] >>28521937
>>28514818
You must mean nuclear is life. Thats the only sustainable way to get h2.
Anonymous No.28514886 [Report]
>jewish strawman
Its the zionists in Israel raping and killing Palestinians. Zionists rape/kill across the globe
Anonymous No.28515244 [Report] >>28515260 >>28515271
>>28514762
Corn is a disgustingly inefficient source of ethanol, sugar beets grow in the same climates and are much more efficient, and grow faster.
Also the middle east is not the only source of oil in the world, the US can produce its entire demand and more by itself.
Anonymous No.28515260 [Report]
>>28515244
Your thinking of gen 1 ethanol not gen 2 ethanol
Anonymous No.28515271 [Report] >>28523801
>>28515244
Oil is mostly jew. The only good shit comes of the top of the stack like propane.
Anonymous No.28515274 [Report]
>>28510950
>>28510313
gas is gas and it's all regulated where no one has a competitive edge
you guys got cucked by commercials and nascar placements that said buzzwords
Anonymous No.28515315 [Report] >>28516316
>>28511994
>Please wait a while before making this post.
Did it reset over and over again until you ended up waiting a whole half hour to make one post? Because that happens to me all the time too.
Anonymous No.28516302 [Report] >>28516313
>>28510256 (OP)
Why do amermutt pumps look like an ATM?
Anonymous No.28516313 [Report] >>28516317
>>28516302
We put in our card and withdrawal gas, it kinda is when you think about it.
Anonymous No.28516316 [Report]
>>28515315
Someone doesn't like you.
Anonymous No.28516317 [Report] >>28516320 >>28517080 >>28517091 >>28517097
>>28516313
Does it accept contactless cards? Out here in europoorland we just fill up and then pay at the kiosk.
Anonymous No.28516320 [Report]
>>28516317
It does, at least in the state of California just about all of them I can top my card, it's a shame we're not high trust enough to pump and then pay.
Anonymous No.28517080 [Report]
>>28516317
So less efficient and secure, got it
Anonymous No.28517091 [Report]
>>28516317
My local gives you the choice. A few miles away someone had a good time with a skimmer so people are a bit careful.
Anonymous No.28517097 [Report] >>28517099 >>28521486
>>28516317
And what if you don't pay?
Anonymous No.28517099 [Report] >>28517111 >>28517733
>>28517097
You'll be on the telly. Only pump and run if the car is stolen already.
Anonymous No.28517106 [Report]
>>28512410
This reads straight out of a marketing brochure kek.
Anonymous No.28517111 [Report] >>28517136
>>28517099
What if you don't have plates?
Anonymous No.28517136 [Report] >>28517750
>>28517111
You think the guy in the booth doesn't hit on.
When do you get to sit without a booster seat.
Anonymous No.28517200 [Report]
>>28510310
>giving a fuck about fuel additives when valvoline restore and protect exists
Anonymous No.28517733 [Report]
>>28517099
What if you're brown, and thus untouchable from all laws
Anonymous No.28517744 [Report]
>>28511799
Don't worry, they also get paid to not grow corn, so it cancels out.
Anonymous No.28517750 [Report]
>>28517136
I don't understand ebonics
Anonymous No.28517755 [Report]
>>28510964
It will throw a CEL if it detects knock.
>>28510256 (OP)
No, because I have a 10:1 compression ratio, which can run perfectly well at 87AKI/92RON without knock.
>>28510805
Right, just make a V8 that runs on regular, hassle free 400hp NA.
p No.28517762 [Report] >>28519321 >>28519329
>>28510256 (OP)
why would i? i almost never rev above 2000 rpm

fancy gas is for them high strung queer engines
Anonymous No.28519321 [Report]
>>28517762
Dale Earnhardt would be ashamed
Anonymous No.28519328 [Report]
>>28511909
>Only cancer ethanol causes is a liver cancer.
I'm late but that's untrue. Ethanol causes pancreatic, stomach, intestinal, prostate, breast, esophageal, and rectal cancers.
Also, replying to someone else above, ethanol is ethanol, it's not like corn ethanol is any different for some reason.
t. alcoholic
Anonymous No.28519329 [Report] >>28519390
>>28517762
Mah car will run on piss poor yankee gas. It runs bestest on 100 octane.
Anonymous No.28519390 [Report] >>28519396 >>28519397 >>28519408
>>28519329
>another episode of retarded euro doesn't comprehend AKI vs RON
Just to let you know, British gallons are also bigger since you probably didn't know that either.
Anonymous No.28519396 [Report]
>>28519390
You can get 100 AKI in some stations in the US.
Anonymous No.28519397 [Report]
>>28519390
I am aware that yankee gallons are jewed within an inch of their life.
Anonymous No.28519408 [Report]
>>28519390
100 RON. 95 is acceptable. Cheapshit will function.
Anonymous No.28521347 [Report]
I drive a tuned supercharged v8 if I don't get the good gas my engine will eat itself
Anonymous No.28521348 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
>tfw car is so fucking slow any gas smelling liquid will run without ping
Anonymous No.28521350 [Report] >>28521445
>>28510787
>Meanwhile my work van requires premium but the company makes me run regular lol.
3.5 Ecoboom?
Anonymous No.28521431 [Report] >>28521436 >>28521472 >>28524867
Which way?
The Chud Pump?
Anonymous No.28521436 [Report] >>28524867
>>28521431
or Midwest corn wimpiness?
Anonymous No.28521445 [Report] >>28521452
>>28521350
Mercedes Metris.
Anonymous No.28521452 [Report]
>>28521445
>208HP 2.0T engine
Ehh, it'll be fine, Honda says it's okay to use 87 in a 252HP 2.0T Accord engine.
Anonymous No.28521454 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
I only give my car 93. Sometimes 91 if I'm in some poor area with shit gas
Anonymous No.28521472 [Report]
>>28521431
If only it was leaded I could run my plane on it.
Anonymous No.28521486 [Report]
>>28517097
Gendarmes come to your house and curbstomp you
Anonymous No.28521611 [Report] >>28521758
>>28510310
Top Tier is a brand; it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting quality fuel from a gas station that sells it.
Anonymous No.28521758 [Report]
>>28521611
This, it's the same with engine oil too, it's all so fucking regulated, that any $25+ bottle of synthetic oil is "superior protection", just put the octane your car needs to run without rattling itself to death and send it, people not taking care of their car's maintenance is worse for it than going to ARCO for cheap gas.
Anonymous No.28521937 [Report]
>>28514877
Besides purple and red method of steam tech.

There is cost of hydrogen production from biomass, sometimes referred to as "bronze hydrogen" in certain contexts, varies depending on the technology and scale of production. According to available data, biomass-based hydrogen is among the more cost-competitive options, with reported production costs ranging from $1.25 to $2.20 per kg of hydrogen, depending on the specific method and feedstock used.
Anonymous No.28523801 [Report]
>>28515271
>The only good shit comes of the top of the stack like propane.
Which is actually a fucking fantastic fuel.
Loved wrenching on propane powered engines. (outside of the absolute penny-pinching kike tier plumbing some companies use on them to save a sheckel)
Anonymous No.28524141 [Report]
>>28510256 (OP)
I have the option real 90 octane gas (no alcohol). I think it's about 40 cents more, but obviously, your mileage skyrockets and the car runs smoother.
Anonymous No.28524867 [Report]
>>28521431
>>28521436
Niggergas. E85 is life
Anonymous No.28524869 [Report]
Imagine sucking kike dick for hydrocarbons...