Is it reasonable to assume that Android Automotive equipped vehicles will receive longer term support for infotainment software?
To me, so long as the screen can mirror a phone in 15 years time, it's still useful.
Will most of these screens just be useless appendages long term?

>>28511113 (OP)
Companies are institutions for making as much money as possible , at any cost.

For example FORCING you to buy newer software at full cost.

Consider that the original 3G on-star cars can't connect anymore.
Consider that Windows 10 stops getting security updates in 3 months.
Car companies want to keep selling you new cars, their own old cars are their competition. It's why Land / Range Rover recommends 21k-mile oil change intervals on heavy turbo cars.
These screens will lose functionality, and they stop making new parts for cars soon after they're discontinued. When your screen goes out after 15 years you're going to be in trouble as a dealership would prefer to total the car through your insurance and sell you a new one.
When vehicle functions like lighting and aircon are built into the screen and the CANbus interacts with it then full-feature aftermarket solutions seem unlikely.

>>28511171
>16,000 mile oil changes on a 500hp supercharged v8
>21,000 miles on a British built twin charged I6

>>28511181
Changing the oil is just a loose suggestion.

>>28511171
>full-feature aftermarket solutions seem unlikely
but they exist already so all the shit you're talking about is bunk
i know for example scosche makes a kit that replaces the hvac controls in mopars with their own screens leaving the dashboard screen open for any old random chinese head unit.
i'd personally prefer a button and knob based replacement but it really isn't the kind of impossible task you're making it out to be.

>>28511210
That's just one example, not common. Like you said it doesn't even come with audio controls, most normies won't find that acceptable. As more crucial functionality becomes integrated into the screens the harder it will be for aftermarkets to come up with a solution. And anyway, most people would rather trade for a new car than fix something lol.
I never claimed it was impossible, anything's possible with enough money. But the screens will fail, they will stop being updated, and they aren't produced long after the car stops being sold new - that's all true.

>>28511240
skill > money
because the people you pay are in lock step with industry standards and anything elaborate or.exoctic requires skilled mate tier connections

>>28511113 (OP)
I assume the aftermarket will come up with whole computer and info system swaps using the original harness once the floor price of older used cars surpasses whatever it would take to do such a swap.

>>28511240
>Like you said it doesn't even come with audio controls, most normies won't find that acceptable
no shit, it's meant so you can replace the oem uconnect radio with an aftermarket double din of your choice by solving the only reason you can't: the HVAC mode selector is confined to the touchscreen. all the other hvac controls like the fan speed and defrost are physical buttons, and that panel replaces them too, but being that it is now a separate unit entirely you can just use whatever radio you want and not have to worry about the canbus shit.

again, i personally don't like this setup and i think it could have been done better with just a knob for mode select and a "max ac" button, but it's doable, relatively cheap and readily available.

>I never claimed it was impossible, anything's possible with enough money. But the screens will fail, they will stop being updated, and they aren't produced long after the car stops being sold new - that's all true.

this is all boomer fud though
i have laptops that are approaching 30, 40 years old and their screens work, they operate just as they did when they were new in most cases
i've seen shit like atms and public kiosks that have been running for decades and they're mostly fine, usually a faded or burnt in screen but it still functions. the worst things are like lcd delaminations but that's not fault of the technology but the manufacturing process.
i hear this shit all the time from idiots that "the technology will break" and stuff just "fails" at ransom and for no reason when in practice it really doesn't, and if there is a failure there is always an external reason such as poor manufacturing or end user abuse.

>they will stop being updated
things don't "need" updates usually especially if it's an infotainment cluster on a 15 year old car
no google my uconnect 5 doesn't need to be updooted to support your faggy new bluetooth security protocol that only exists to stop jeets airdropping dick pics, jesus

Why do you want your car to be a phone? Your car is a car, and you already have a phone.

>>28511276
>fails at ransom
hmm
that Freudian slip..

>>28511295
s and d are neighboring keys, retart

>>28511297
You do know what ransom ware is how it may be very consequential as cars become more integrated with networked electronics, ' retart' ?

>>28511313
the half assed arm-core tablet computer running qnx and flash with no internal storage for additional apps, that never connects to the internet and doesn't store any information worth ransoming is going to get ransomware...how, exactly? just because it is technically a computer doesn't mean it has the same problems as your mom's dell laptop. they are different architectures.

>>28511113 (OP)
That's my biggest gripe with modern cars and to a much larger extent with EVs and all of their proprietary battery management software. But I don't think theres a good solution to these problems. Making the software open source would be decent alternative, but then you will still have the issue with backwards compatibility as the hardware in these cars ages as well. Removing the infotainment and skinning it down to the bare essentials would be good, then make all the features available as an app that integrates with your phone. That way people would just need to keep the app available and supported through modern phone OS which may be easier in the long term.

But all of these issues are just symptoms of a much larger problem - making cars into VaaS, vehicle-as-a-service... You can already see this with manufacturers hiding features behind subscription services.

>>28511276
>laptops that are approaching 30, 40 years old
Old CRT tech
>public kiosks
Heavy duty nog-proof screens, typically pressure-touch if I recall
...
Modern screens are chinky chinkium bullshit, they're alreadt fragile and tend to eventually just... stop

there should be an industry standard slot for the infotainment computer and open specifications for controlling the crap in the car. just like when cars had DIN slots for swapping out the stereo. i can't imagine owning a car with the AC control in the infotainment and then what happens when the fucking thing craps out

>>28511113 (OP)
>15 years
If you keep the same phone, sure.

But if you upgrade your phone 8 times by then, the world would have moved on by then. Hell, not even smartphone makers support their models more than 6-8 years and thats 4-5 generations out of date by then.

>>28511389
The industry standard is to never update, and never support any update. The newer car companies are simply choosing to support their car software for 8+ years as much as they can while still improving all aspects of their car technology.

They could simply choose the old standard which is to never update and never support anything new.

>>28511373
what the fuck is this chat gpt post
crts in laptops? can you shut up please kid this board is for people 18 and up

>>28511113 (OP)
Dunno, Android phones are only good for like 5 years. Hopefully cars can be swapped to some kind of Linux later in life, but that may require government intervention to require automakers to give up the source for their on boards after a decade or so. They probably won't though, car companies hate paying for nerd shit so their systems are typically barebones, inefficient, insecure, and copy pasted for as long as they can get away with it.

>>28511113 (OP)
>Will most of these screens just be useless appendages long term?
There will likely be chinkshit plug and play upgrades just like there are for 20+ year old shitboxes already. Yes, HVAC and all the other CANbus features are compatible even on those, too.

In 15 years you can just ask AI to reprogram your car to do whatever you want.

>>28511210
>they exist
Not for my 2019 equinox, which sucks because I despise the head unit in that thing with all of my being

>>28511113 (OP)
>Will most of these screens just be useless appendages long term?
How though? The drivers display should still show speedo/tach/mileage etc just fine. The infotainment should still show you a map or mirror your phone just fine.

>>28512283
>2019 equinox
Why in the fuck did you burden yourself with that thing? The only people I've known who own that gen of equi are either single moms or spiritually raped men who genuinely hate themselves

>>28512395
it was grandma's idea and now that she's in the nursing home I'm stuck with it.
even worse, both of MY cars are awaiting repairs, so I don't ever get a break from it.
yeah, the 2L turbo and 9 speed make it pretty quick, but it has the worst bluetooth I've ever used in my entire life :(
and yet, we've put 30,000 miles on it since we bought it, and it hasn't needed anything but oil changes and some brake pads.
it's just so boring... I miss my V8s...

>>28511155
This, but knowing someone somewhere will make a Linux system for your car out of spite (The most powerful emotion right now)