where the fuck are you getting your service manuals and/or torque specs?

>hmm what should the torque specs be on the lower control arm of my 2022 escape
>heh that'll be $44.99 plus tip goy
>$206 for the actual ford DVD (wangblows only)
it's all so fucking tiresome.

>>28512398 (OP)
>buying new or less than 5 years old.
>eating that depreciation.
>can't afford 50 bucks for a Haynes manual.

oof.

you might spend more than 50 bucks worth of your time just trying to track down a copy someone else uploaded. I've heard the library might have some manuals, or maybe access to alldata but I've never checked. operation charm has a lot of stuff too but nothing that recent. monitoring thread anyway in case there's a source I haven't seen yet but for the most part manuals seem to be a bitch to find online

>>28512422
>missing the point
>not my car, paid for anyway
>wouldnt make the slightest difference if it was 5 years earlier model

cool poor person projection

>>28512398 (OP)
You don't need torque specs. You just tighten it firmly. Only in extremely specific this doesn't work.

>>28512432
I get a discount on alldata, but alldata isn't that great and it's still an idiotic subscription model that's car specific. it'd be worth the 200 a month for unlimited model access if I was making money off it, but im not, so I wont.

the point is I shouldn't have to pay someone for this gay shit in the first place.

charm is cool, but 2013 was 20 years ago.

>>28512398 (OP)
I got a GMT800. I just google the part and it's TQ spec and I get a million results. Pretty much every mechanic is only going to be using a torque wrench on your lug nuts btw.

>>28512398 (OP)
I just buy the FSM for every car I've owned, usually can pick up a second hand one for cheap online.

>>28512398 (OP)
Just do a Google search and put "forums" in parentheses

you can sometimes find scanned copies people uploaded. it's getting harder and harder to find that kind of stuff with the horrible modern search engines, I would suggest checking enthusiast forums and searching there.

>>28512442
Hydraulic fittings might want to have a word with you.

>>28512398 (OP)

charm.li

>>28512398 (OP)
I found full service manual for my pos on that bay that sells thing. All electronic and nice.

Ever tried walking into somewhere and asking a human to look at the appropriate thing. I have been known to walk away with the requisite information.

>>28513328
>asking a human to look at the appropriate thing
>implying the failed abortions who staff places now know anything

>>28513380
It works if you get beyond the bot. Dude with the happy face on will show you a "technician" if you ask nicely.

>>28512398 (OP)
Old stock from eBay. Workshop manuals for modern cars are fucking garbage compared to what they once were, but in your case I'd look for a Haynes manual second hand on eBay. At least you can then resell it afterwards, unlike a digital purchase.

>>28513267
I can practically guarantee if I tightened them firmly then tested the torque it would be at spec.

>>28512503
Nah, maybe on your grandpappies k10 in uncle bob's stick weld emporium, but everything these days that you would bother with torquing in the first place is torque to yield and they absolutely torque and angle in Real(tm) shops.

>>28512398 (OP)
YouTube LOL

Alldata sucks ass and haynes stopped making print copies. Where did it all go so wrong?

>>28514008
They can fail if overtighten.

>>28514008
They can fail if overtightened

>>28514140
Yes and?

>>28512398 (OP)


I just put '[year] [model] factory service manual' into the search engine. Sometimes throw in 'pdf' or 'download' keywords for different results.
Works every time when you aren't retarded.

>>28512398 (OP)
I have a Mitchell subscription and I pull things from it for friends when they ask (and sometimes to help people out here)

>>28512398 (OP)
just get the bible
grease and screens don't mix

>>28514210
Oh, it's another
>I can tighten to spec by hand
Where's your forum signature?

>>28512398 (OP)
the car companies want to sell you the expensive online bullshit
for most cars i've had good luck buying pirated FSM off ebay for like $20
also check enthusiast forums for that model, sometimes there will be a mega link to the FSM

i bought a haynes for my car but i just look up the torque specs online every time

>>28512422
haynes manual<<<<<<<<<<<factory service manual

>>28512398 (OP)
>service manuals
I find service manuals at goodwill outlet and sell them for $5 bucks a piece. It's a good side hustle.

>>28512422
Haynes are absolute scrubs
I've compared it to the FSM and there's so much shit they fuck up or just make up their own shit. Is it really that hard for them to just buy the FSM themselves and copy it?

>>28513321
Cool but insufficient

>>28512398 (OP)
Torque specs are for engines, trannies, and suspension
All else is measured in audible grunt/ft

>>28516449
You call it a hustle but it's actually a service connecting people with the service manuals they're looking for, which might've otherwise ended up in the bin.

>>28516525
The FSM for my corvette is four bibles long. The haynes manual is half of a single one of those books.

>>28512433
Nigga ur the one bitching about not being able to afford a Haynes manual.

>>28512442
Say hello to the 1.6l Miata short nose crank.

>>28512398 (OP)
>service manuals
ebay, (old) enthusiasts forum members, FB group
>torque specs
from the service manual

>>28516531
You consider this an endorsement of the Haynes manual?

>>28516533
Shoulda bought a Toyota ya dickhead

>>28516538
"Assembly is the reverse".

>>28512398 (OP)
Some guy uploaded everything to Google drive as a PDF and I downloaded the entire thing

>>28513328
DEI killed all parts shops here. Bunch of women with tattoos that can't tell models apart. I am not talking about trim levels of a model, but "what is a cavalier" is 100% why I stopped asking for help at AutoZone. Even advance used to be great, there was an old guy there for a decade but he retired. General knowledge about where you work is no longer needed

>>28512398 (OP)
charm.li

>>28516538
Yes. Two of those bibles are in fact the '94 manual. The 2 "'95 addendums" are the same size as the 2 '94's. Why in the fuck they didn't just redo the manuals regularly for the '95 is beyond me, would've been the same effort with less insanity

>>28516563
Nobody has knowledge about anything other than instaface on thay sail foam

>>28516539
Funny. I had that Miata now I have an Mrs so way ahead of you.

>>28514235
Yes. It's not very remarkable.

>>28516604
this is the way

People always leak the Subaru FSM