Thread 28520693

Welcome to the Auto Vidya General, the thread for discussion of racing and driving games. Not chinkshit peripherals.

Previous thread >>28506684

>Wiki
https://get-good.net
>Mumble
IP: mumble.get-good.net
Port: 64738
Password: 4ch
>Chat
https://chat.get-good.net
>Motor Town
/ovg/ Boys on the spectrum /ovg/
>Equipment Guide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uLKMbKwweUZ3QvFeNs8UeycZbDyo0McxGj7T6uTaTNo

>Check the doc for the latest event info. We're currently doing nothing. Host your own series already.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlVjNh8r6o_KYUFHf7Hcp8ZaYS5lsEZwFvTeu_K_c1Q

Are you also the dude who posts that game on /vr/ all the time?

>>28520705
No but the guy you're referring to posts here.

penny racer gud

>>28520705
There may be a few of us doing it. I am the guy decompiling the game, however I am not the OP of this thread. I posted it most recently in /vr/, but it's also the only time I have ever done so personally. I forgot /vr/ existed lmao.

whiplash chads
we are SO back

>>28520742
>I am the guy decompiling the game
Neat. How's that work? You make a script that translates one assembly language to another?

>>28520751
I'm mostly using IDA. It uses heuristics to turn the asm into C-like pseudocode. It looks like shit when you first load up an exe but once you start naming things and defining structs it begins to turn into something more readable. When I am satisfied that I understand a function and the data structures it accesses completely I copy the IDA generated pseudocode into my actual C file and fix it up so it builds.

>>28520764
Based insight, thx. C programming is tight.

>>28520155 I played it a lot during Covid because the online was active there, but desu it's pretty dead now. It's got a lot of content and it drives really well, but to me SP AI will never be interesting. They are making a total revamp of the ranked stuff later this year so it might be worth it at that point if it revitalizes it. If you decide to buy the VIP pack buy the currency on their website it's cheaper https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24
You can also try all the cars in the game for free if you want to try it out before you buy.

>>28520734
I bought this instead of MK64 because I wanted to be different.
My friends laughed at me.

>>28520693 (OP)
>>28520742
>>28520764
what's the end goal of this project? just running natively on modern systems?

>>28520849
Whiplash Season Pass Premium Expansion Pack DLC

>>28520849
First I will make a version of the game that is very faithful to the original source code but runs on modern systems. Since I am using SDL it should be pretty portable even to web and phones. Then I'll fork the project and start making improvements. Remove the while(1)s, unlock the framerate, infinite draw distance, hardware accelerated graphics, network multiplayer that doesn't require being on a vlan, lots of ideas.

>>28520876
nice, good luck

>>28520693 (OP)
I found out automation patched the glitch where large engines need to be bump started in beamng
I hate this patch, I want my malaise shitboxes to come with such shitty starters that they needed to be pushed first

https://streamable.com/a9ovud car select works

>>28520876
>mfw whiplash 2 will finally come out on dreamcast

Is there a modern package for Whiplash? Tried the ovg launcher, shit was stuttering (idk if that's expected). Mounted the CD with the music onto dosbox-x and now I wouldn't get any audio

>>28521568
use dosbox-staging, it has much better performance
also, you may need to configure the audio again by running the whiplash installer from the dosbox prompt as the addresses of the emulated hardware might be different

sovl

>>28520876
how about fixing the distorted UV mapping of cars in the fork

>>28521584
You sure? I installed the CD from the wiki, all the cars had different colours and the game was running terribly. On a side note, what retard wrote that shit? I got no CD music, despite the claims on the wiki.

>>28521620
I wrote the wiki
what part is wrong?
it sounds like your game has a leftover save file from whoever complied the package you downloaded, just delete fatal.ini in the fatdata folder to reset the game. Do the other sounds work?

as for it "running terribly" you will have to be way more specific, regular release dosbox as provided with the wiki dl actually never ran the game very well, it's better to use one of the ports like x or daum or staging.

>>28521645
also it's not installing you want to do, you have to select "configure sound and music" or whatever and select CD audio in the music device selection if you want that

>>28521645
I assumed you were making the packages as well. I took the standalone CD listed in the wiki and installed it (the "non-lite with CD music").

The game runs okay with VGA, setting it to SVGA kills performance. There is no CD audio, it's all midi. The race wouldn't start without CD, so I am sure I got it mounted. The car colours are different as well, so, whoever uploaded the image, uploaded an outdated game (not the rerelease) without CD music.

I suppose I can change the launcher's DOSBOX but still...

>>28521656
you've done something wrong when copying the game files over to a different dosbox build and are playing an already installed copy of the game with the Advanced car set enabled, the disk images provided are ripped from a retail big box release and include all audio tracks. I'm literally listening to it right now.

type FORMULA1 as your name then go to the game type menu, and there will be a new car set option to change the vehicles back to standard.

as for the music follow my webm. If CD audio still does not work you might have the image mounted wrong, my auto exec is "imgmount d ./IMAGE/whiplashpl.cue -t iso"

the game was quite hard on hardware of it's era too and dosbox can't keep up, but again I highly recommend using staging over any other dosbox version, it runs the game like a raped ape compared to the others, and didn't exist back when we made the wiki or packs.

>>28521660
nvm on the music side then. dosbox staging still runs it worse with SVGA compared to the launcher

>>28521672
what kind of computer are you trying to run it on?

>>28521678
I haven't touched the dosbox settings. 1070 with a 6700k

>>28521678
I see that the launcher sets the cycles to max. Wouldn't that mess up the game?

>>28521690
no, it's required, the game needs every ounce of horsepower the emulator can muster.
I do not use the launcher or make the launcher, I don't use the original version of dosbox or db-x, so I really don't know what to tell you.

might try setting speed_mods to true in staging config file but idk it doesn't make any sense it runs bad for you, you're on your own, sorry

>>28520809
They changed the conversion rate for their currency making it way more expensive, the 10k vrp used to go for 50 quid. On top of that they keep increasing the cost of their content while the quality of it is 10 years behind. Recent super touring pack looks like a Race07 mod with a bit better textures

>>28521712
Well, after trying both max and auto, the game runs near perfectly with dbox-staging.Thanks for the help.

>>28521615
I'm not an artist so I can't really fix the way a 64x64 square is stretched across a wide rectangle. Best I could do is AI upscale. I can however make a hardware accelerated graphics engine which uses normal uv mapping and paves the way for someone else to make nice textures. A very easy thing I can do right away is improve the software rendering logic by replacing all the 16.16 fixed point math with floats or even doubles. That would get rid of the weird way textures and polygons sort of walk or wobble around like a PS1, instead they would be nice and perfectly calculated.

>>28521734
there is no need to get rid of the soul
the cars are texture mapped in such a way the distortions make them look more detailed for example the doors of all cars have a panel gap at the hinge area that looks the way it does because of the way the polygons directly under the side window are warped. If you "corrected" this to be square the cars wouldn't look right.

I think it's fucking sick you basically have a PS1 era graphics engine without any modern bullshit, it's not unreal or unity, it's all whiplash

>>28521772
True, the car textures at least, were drawn with the stretch in mind. Better precision might look nice though.

Also, in reverse engineering these software rendering functions I learned a new graphics thing, perspective-correct texture mapping. You know how the textures look kinda fucked up and wonkus in the 3DFX version (and track editor lol). I can fix that now. No more tweaked top taillight or weird notch in the side window. They'll draw straight even with hardware acceleration.

I really wish HP2010 had less Burnout driving mechanics. Nice scenery, comfy car models and good engine sounds, but all felt more or less the same.
>automated countersteer during powerslides and extreme engine braking

>>28521772
idk man, to me it still looks like an oversight

>>28521921
soul vs soulless

Special Event: /ovg/ Le Mans '67
July 26th 2025 at 18 UTC.

This is a quick and dirty classic Le Mans event using the 1966 Le Mans Mod.

Rules are simple:

-1 hour and 20 mins race (so 1/20th of Le Mans or about twice the length of the real life Le Mans Classic races)

-You may use any car you can find an Assetto Corsa mod of, provided it's from 1967 or older. ANY car. I don't care what you rock up in, this is a fun event. If you don't know what to pick go to Assetto World

-If said car is not a Kunos Default car, you must provide a link to a TESTED MOD that you've confirmed works in the doc. I will test all of them when you submit, if they don't work you will have to drive the backup car

-We will do a Le Mans style start. That means you gotta get in your seat and get ready to drive when the green flag drops, NOT set off
Winner is strangely enough the person to make it the furthest in 1h20

-If you are le retarded and haven't thought that far, please test what it's like to pit the car you're choosing. You will need it unless it has a gargantuan fuel tank.

I would say read more on the Wiki but this is pretty much it https://wiki.get-good.net/index.php?title=Le_Mans_%2767

Go sign up on the doc!

>>28522187
can I sit across the room in my office chair and wheel in for the start

>>28522187
>AC mod
when are we doing iracing leagues

>>28522208
only if you enter as a garage 56 handicap with exclusively hand controls (and normally you use pedals with your wheel)

>>28521921
>>28522114
That's part of the perspective corrected texture rendering I was talking about. The software rendering in game looks much straighter. I think I can fix this with a smarter shader in hardware rendering.

>>28522295
Ah nevermind, the door and number still look stretched some even in the software rendering. I can probably fix these fugly hardware rendering problems though.

>>28522338
I can also definitely make a car texture editor that should help any pixel artists that want to try and straighten it out or just make custom skins. That is on the list of things to do anyway.

>>28522187
I did a bunch of laps (just a couple per car) to set some reference lap times with eligible kunos cars and a couple of mods for this event so you don't have to wonder what the pace is like. Also in case it wasn't obvious, picking a car with no headlights may cause you trouble (depending on how well the day night cycle works i have no idea we've been disappointed before)

>>28522338
the model of the car itself is asymmetric, the b (c?) pillar is a completely different shape on either side which is why there is a notch on one side and not the other.
you would have to redo the models for the cars entirely with slightly higher polycounts and mirrored r/l so the textures could be more accurately mapped.
I tried doing that when I converted the zizin car to txr, the stuff like the hood and sunroof are fixable the rear window and quarters are a fucking nightmare.

>>28522515
The model is not symmetric but the notch is mostly caused by the way textures are interpolated across the face of a triangle.

>>28521888
>Didn't play any NFS between UG2 and 2015
Do any of them actually hold up still?

I need a proper racing game on switch 2.
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What is the best and simplest way of playing Daytona USA on PC right now? Emulating the original arcade or some console port?

>forza general dead
>gran turismo general dead
all roads lead back to /ovg/

>>28522721
i'd say emulating is easiest if you are on pc. there is a really good model 2 emulator out there. another option was the port to ps3 and 360 but i do not think its even available for purchase anymore because of the daytona license, plus you are gonna be limited with what wheels you can use with it

>>28522585
ProStreet
Shift 1 or 2 with handling mods
Hot Pursuit 2010 if you are open minded about car combat

>>28522585
>Do any of them actually hold up still?

>MW2005
redditor #1 choice but it's hailed as the GOAT for a reason, it's a solid game overall even if it does get a little stale before reaching the ending sequence
>Cabrón
lackluster rushed sequel to MW that is beyond redeemed by the kino canyon segments. the "carbon battle royale" mod apparently fleshes it out a lot more but i haven't tried it.
>ProStreet
the sleeper hit of the blackbox era. goes back to circuits only but the variety of environments makes up for it. if you don't like the gameplay there's several mods that either replace the handling or fix difficulty/balance issues
>Undercover
hilariously bad abortion of a game, this is when blackbox was fully burnt out of the yearly release schedule. very rushed and phoned in (i.e. had to borrow the traffic cars from burnout paradise, no time to make their own). avoid entirely unless you're a masochist.
>Shift
archaeologists are still trying to find why nfs execs thought this was a good idea. don't bother, just play shift2.
>HP2010
great game if you remove the previous NFS games from your mind. it's just burnout with real cars, cop chases, and a nice soundtrack. no real reason to hate it unless you have some autistic vendetta against brake to drift mechanics
>World
old MMO with strikingly autistic community who wrote their own servers and brought it back. there are a low-double-digit amount of people still around to play with you.
>Shift 2
sim-lite game with actual immersion features never seen before or again. interesting car selection if you manage to get all the DLC with it. skip if you just want the arcade style games.
>The Run
kino, ludo, soul, etc. i love this game a lot but if you hate linear experiences you might not enjoy it. definitely one of the most unique entries in the franchise.
>MW2012
weird identity crisis game that couldn't decide if it wanted to be burnout paradise or NFS
>Rivals
cool game in its time but miserable to play now (30fps lock)

>>28522784
>Undercover
>no mention of VERY DANGEROUS

>>28522764
Mame or Model 2 Emulator?

>>28522784
>Undercover
>hilariously bad abortion of a game, this is when blackbox was fully burnt out of the yearly release schedule. very rushed and phoned in (i.e. had to borrow the traffic cars from burnout paradise, no time to make their own). avoid entirely unless you're a masochist.
The PS2 version of Undercover is decent,and not an ugly view from hell like the PS3 version

>>28523038
From the ground up.

>>28522764
>forza general dead
They ran to /vm/ so they only need 1 bump every 24 hours

>>28523003
ps2 version of undercover is just carbon with mods, to the point people have backported its map into carbon with 0 changes and it works fine

>>28522784
>>MW2012
i used to be a mw2012 hater but honestly ive come to love it. the soundtrack is oddly melancholic at times which if you ask me is probably a remnant of the original MW2 story, i cant think of another nfs game with a soundtrack like that. but it also has shit like icona pop which makes it feel like a proper sequel to burnout paradise. the vibe in general is just unmatched and gives off peak early 2010s before everything went to shit vibes. ive always wanted to know what the original story wouldve been like/about, the genre as a whole is sorely missing good storytelling

>>28523443
The only reason why people didn't like MW2012 is that they for some reason called it Most Wanted. It's a good game but because it's not a piss filter game modifying cars around a non-story it's not good. What's better than a non-story? No story and just a comfy road racing game. It's also got a banger soundtrack like you say and I quite like those race start animations they're neat

why do I have more fun playing GT7 with a controller than sitting in my proper sim rig?

>>28523487
>they for some reason called it Most Wanted
it was originally supposed to be a full story sequel to mw/carbon but ea cut the budget iirc and stopped that from happening. theres a leaked beta build out there that has an opening mission for the story mode which sets the tone which felt a lot darker than blackbox era nfs but its been a while since ive watched it
but yeah i really love the blacklist intros and those surreal police chase opening cutscenes. theyre burned into my head

>>28523494
because gt is by far the nicest handling racing game on a controller, has been for decades

>>28523494
because it’s an arcade game. it’s about as much fun with a wheel as Forza horizon

>>28523487
never loved the map in MW2012,felt very bland

>>28523622
bait

>>28523634
it’s the truth

Finally, a normal kei car. Sad its not an Alto but I'll take it.

>>28523674
in what

>>28523443
>each car has a small handful of events tied to it
>the main way (sole way outside of the most wanted list (or paying up)) of acquiring new cars is, in essence, looking for collectibles in an open world
>the combined result of those factors makes the overarching progression of SP quite banal
>pursuits being really fucking naff for what functionally serves as just another event category
>cutting the airport indev just to end up selling it as DLC (on a map that is already quite small)
>also, an observation: having DLC cars show up at their jackspots even if you don't have the DLC just to act as an advertisement is quite gay
>also, a second observation: who the fuck signed off on allowing for car color options in MP but not SP? the mechanic is right fucking there, you can easily retrofit it for SP, hell, they used it for the... Heroes DLC cars... oh I get it now.
>also, a third observation: I know this game is Burnout Paradise 2 (I mean, they reused parts of it wholesale) but the novelty of the crash cams wears off in about five minutes yet they are extremely commonplace.
>also, a fourth observation: spikestrips don't affect opponent AI cars and spikestrip-deploying cop cars don't have any telegraphing sound cue or animation (with the latter fact in mind why would you ever not run re-inflating tires for pursuits to save yourself the headache?)
I played MW2012 a lot back in the day but the more I think about it retrospectively the more I find myself soured on it.
I think the multiplayer was pretty cool and fun, at least.

The Z-Tune should have been in GT5 due to their Nissan relationship on the 2010s, it just making it in is odd.

>>28523700
GT7 but i think it's the N-One

>>28523743
Sometimes i think PD has a messy pile of scanned car files and they put it on updates based on which file they find

>>28522817
Model 2. No need to use mame for Sega 3d arcade boards. There's also a model 3 emulator if you wanna play Sega Super GT/Scud Race and Daytona USA 2

What's with Italian cars and weirdly angled footwells? I flubbed a race purely because I was confused about the position of my VR legs.

>>28523573
what do you mean by nicest? enthusia's handling is much more accurate

>>28524050
controller friendly
>enthusia
bro let it go

>>28524130
why isn't enthusia controller friendly?

>>28524168
are you trolling?Gt7 is more controller friendly comoared to enthusia.It's a 2022 game vs a 2006 game

>>28524229
but why

The tire wear mechanic in forza fucking sucks, they should just delete it.

>>28524266
Not him but from my own experience my starter car, a Nissan March I think, started becoming very uncontrollable after enough weight reduction has been applied to it to the point you need the precise steering of a wheel over a gamepad

>>28524374
Forza fucking sucks and you should delete it.

delete this bussy

>>28524450
did you try using the thumbstick more precisely than you did before it was upgraded

>>28524558
Port gran turismo to PC

>>28520693 (OP)
holy shit what game is that? whatever the fuck that is i played it a ton as a kid

>>28524612
We have iRacing retard

The more I play actual sims, the more I realize just how arcadey GT7 really is

>>28524650
I want comfy shitboxes THOUGH

Going to attempt the Boxster Spirit event in GT4. Anyone got any tuning advice/tips so I'd be able to take on the RUFs with the '49 Type 11 Beetle?

playing NTSC-U on OG hardware if it matters

>>28524650
Wheres the anon with the porsche clip when you need him

>>28524634
Mobil 1 Rally Championship 2000

>>28524634
Some kind of weird Dodge Stratus

>>28524650
does iracing have this?

>>28524725
Asscorsa does

retvrn

>>28524752
so kino. why don't indie games recreate this aesthetic rather than rehashing the sega model 1 and psx look

>>28524725
what, buggy suspension physics and a retarded tire model? absolutely

>>28524761
it's easier to do flat polygons than nice low resolution textures, i think.
this era of games was really pushing the limits of the hardware even though it looks so "simple" today, i don't think there's any limitations in games right now that can squeeze the creative blood from the stone like it did back then
aside from no ffb and a kinda binary tire model it still holds up physically too.

>>28523906
Thanks, I tried but this emulator was such a pain in the ass to set up that I just decided to switch to RPCS3 and its port of Daytona USA, it worked really well, no flaws that I could spot as a new player.

Does the rfactor 1 server browser only work on the steam version, or does it just not work at all? Is there an alternative or do I have to find leagues manually?

Are >we looking forward to the LMU 1.0 update?
I’m personally hoping it makes all of the GT3’s driveable. With fixed setups, some cars like the Corvette and Aston are basket cases. The corvette spins mid-corner for seemingly no reason, and the Aston requires super gentle throttle exiting slow corners and has problems getting the tires hot.

>>28524945
considering there's only 1 server live right now I dont think you'll be able to just hop on bud

Gotta find leagues manually


I miss race2play

>>28525168
>I miss race2play
I like raceplay too

>>28522187
Test/practice server is up with eligible Kunos cars

>>28525122
Am I going crazy or did the first Dirt Rally allowed you to download car setups directly in-game from the steam community while the sequel, DR2.0, removed that option entirely?

>>28523443
I tried snapping the fucking ps3 blueray disc of that dogshit game in half only to find out I actually couldn't and it still works too.
>>28523487
>good game
IT'S AN ARCADE RACER THAT LACKS AN ARCADE MODE what the fuck were they THINKING?! "Uh oh sorry buddy you can't do X race with Y car tee hee!" Ridiculous. And I'll tell you this it's more bland than any previous Burnout game even the first BO game with the weird cast of utility vehicles. (yes I know it's based on Thrill Drive fuck off nerd) It doesn't need all this customization I mean I had plenty of fun with HP2 and Gran Turismo 3 and those games had like basically nothing well apart from wheels in GT3 but you get what I mean man it's just boring to play. And I've heard the game was also going to be online only after they cut the story and that explains a lot actually expect so was Twisted Metal 2012 and that's still got an arcade death match mode what the hell man! I've NEVER been more disappointed in a game purchase ever I'm serious I've never bought another Need for Speed game after that I was that angry. (still am) I mean have you ever tried braking a disc after beating a game? I was pissed I'm fuming right now remembering it all I worked hard to get that game new when I was a young lad.
>I crashed my car into a wall I don't care I love it!!!
I remember turning each song off one by one because of that one singular pop song in a fit of autistic rage. I mean I didn't understand the song, still don't honestly. Man.... You know Motorstorm came out in 2007 and that games a mil better too. I mean I'm just not happy the only thing I liked was the abandoned airplane graveyard and the weird modern art thingy you could ramp off of and that's it the rest is shit and I don't care how autistic I sound and I'll leave on this. I didn't even play the original Most Wanted until years later by downloading a pc copy and my opinion on that game is that eh yeh it's alright I guess, not bad.

>>28525280
You're correct, you could also download ffb settings through the steam workshop and it would show ingame as a custom preset. In my opinion Dirt Rally 1 had superior ffb to 2.0, I don't know what exactly they changed, but it's just not as good

>>28524817
gp2 should be put in a museum, dynamic suspension and aero simulation in 1996, ai that behave and pit realistically and the tracks are scarily accurate for a dos game made by 5 people, it even mogs the goofy ass tracks isi put out half a decade later

>>28525428
>the tracks are scarily accurate for a dos game made by 5 people
williams had some small involvement with the development of the game and villeneuve even used it to learn some tracks when he came over to europe

>>28525367
It should be a crime to give us such useful, convenient, obvious tools and then remove them for no reason in the sequel. Also while we are at it: DR1.0 had more SOVL in its menus, music and UI, and some stages had better color grading.

>>28525354
you seem way too cynical

Just had a terrifying nightmare.
I was living in a world where GT7 was the only „sim“ available

>>28525770
i had a gtao nightmare last night
was cruising in a baller or something like that and a random buzzard started spamming guns around me so i drove up to him, placed a sticky then he fired missile point blank and my game crashed mid explosion

bruh just tried the pal version of txrd2 and the handling in the us version is completely botched why is noone talking about this i've been playing the inferior version for all this time

Any racing games with trippy tracks? Weird themed tracks? Looking for something that goes silly mode.

>>28525849
Just yesterday I tested TXR3 on pcsx2 and the cars handled like absolute trash, I mean borderline unplayable, is that also the reason? The handling is different on the japanese version?

>on final race in shift 2
>10 stages
>30 laps total
I just want to get to nfs the run and hit the streets man

>>28526144
Change the sensitivity in the options menu for the game.

>>28525770
You can now listen to some sweet jrock tunes

>>28525933
Monster truck madness 2 - ZooN Kitchen 1 and 2
http://www.mtm2.com

>>28525933
>>28526270

>>28526410
This track is old enough to drink.

ranek pls fix

>>28526424
rats maps are timeless kino

Just stopping by dropping a funny joke
>GT7 is a sim

should i buy le mans ultimate before it leaves early access?

>>28526945
nah

>>28526945
yah

>>28526877
And a better one than ass curse at that.

>>28527036
your GAME doesn’t even have the most basic features such as tire pressure.

>>28526945
it's not very good. It fell for the more punishing physics = more realistic meme. The FFB is also terrible. iRacing is a better experience

>>28526945
Supposedly the GT3 tires will be fixed so probably

>mfw GP2 with 1993 season mod
>on track with schumi and senna and nige just getting absolutely bodied
>mfw i'm aguri suzuki

>>28527179
>mfw i replaced the menu music wav with Truth by T-Square (Live @ Cat Club NY '88)
now THIS is GAMING

https://grandprix2.racing/file/misc/view/x86gp2
https://archive.org/details/gp-2-ver-1.0-b-us

this game is so shit man

>>28527216
>playing shit 2
why not just play pcars or ams2

>>28527222
I'm probably gonna drop it desu, these gt1 races are absolute aids and having to downgrade cars from the works championship before is nauseating
I wanted to play through all of the nfs games but when the only challenge is not getting knocked off track by ai, it's just stopped being fun

>>28527228
shift 2 was the game sms made badly on purpose so they could get out of the ea contract
all the frustration you are having is not accidental

>>28527216
>fov set so you can't see the car on your inside in the mirrors
>having the racing line on
>still plowing straight into the aston once you clearly see he's there
>end up in the wall like a complete shitter

you just fucking suck bro regardless of how aggressive the ai is learn to deal with that and turn the racing line off

>>28527295
suck on this, man

ranek pls fix

backup mm and mumble until jannies fix it

https://discord.gg/y5H2PJ28

>>28527326
do not go to this discord it makes mustard gas come out of your computer

>>28527326
this is a legit tranny tourist hijack do not click this link
there is no /ovg/ there

>>28527326
>discord
Can't say the gamer word, not a gamer chat.

>>28527327
>>28527335
>>28527354
this is the official ovg backup discord these are paid shadow government opposition

the people always win...FIGHT!

I really want to like LMU but it just doesn't "feel" right. For me, it's iRacing.

Imagine renting a game that looks like from 2010

if i cared about grafix id just play GT7

I just want every game to look like rfactor

Where is that nerd that ported Wiplash to PC? He should port Driver 2 and unlock its framerate. Pretty please.

AssEvo will combine best of all worlds eventually.
Peak graphics and even peaker physics and content

iracing doesnt have the 787b or drifting or SRP

NOT GOOD FOLKS NOT GOOD

>>28527508
>to PC
you mean to modern windows - it's always been a PC game, but originally for MS-DOS
don't think he's nearly done with it yet

>>28527537
Oh, I see. Well, if he's open for suggestions for his next project, that is mine, a very kino game made hostage of the limited hardware of its time, running at 15fps.

>>28527522
Kunos has no solid vision and will burn their budget and time on stupid things like diminishing return improvements on physics and an open world map (lmao). All they had to do was:

>online ranked matchmaking system with good netcode
>mod and server tools
>good single player career mode

That's it, that's the golden ticket. But they won't.

can someone post the tunari fish sticks photo thanks

shit 2 has been compromised to a permanent end
fuck this game
fuck endurance races
fuck sms

>>28527573
nah we want the kino open world that we were promised

>>28527566
it already exists, its called redriver 2

>>28527566
>>28527508
hey retard
https://github.com/OpenDriver2/REDRIVER2

>>28527469
shut up nigger

>>28527631
glowing tranny janny spotted

tags
SJ Spork Juct SporkJuct Adrian Krieger Shadow Government Cipher La Li Lu Le Lo The Patriots

the shadow government headquarters is GONE

Mossad won, Israel won, Shadow Gov lost, total Israeli World Order.
iRenting will become the only simracer in existence, hava nagila.

>>28527628
>>28527629
w-wut

anyway, back to my yacht, have fun

Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown getting cross region and cross play.
"Eventually"

>>28527824
ok but when are they fixing the game so i can do anything but drive around aimlessly without having to sit around for minutes at a time waiting for servers to spin up so i can drive in some half-baked "race"

hXmJrJr actual ovg discord invite until mattermost comes back. This is the old discord that was abandoned when we swapped the last time

@28527858
groomer pdf files lmao

tags
SJ Spork Juct SporkJuct Adrian Krieger Shadow Government Cipher La Li Lu Le Lo The Patriots

>>28527764
does he even lift?

>>28527944
He carries the weight of the entire sim racing genre on those shoulders

TDU is getting the NFS World treatment

>>28528261
>Slap a blue filter on it
>Yeah we improved the graphics.

>>28528261
>>28528264
it looks better

>>28528266
what is art style

>>28528261
>>28528264
it's super funny how Nacon thinks they're going to be able to pull a No Man's Sky with this game without axing the MMO shit
whatever playerbase they were hoping to build to sustain a model like that is long gone and will not be returning

simply the best

>>28528261
>>28528264
Some cutting edge stuff right there, taking notes straight from seventh gen.

the data drive on server died, we're getting a new server. We're changing hosts and getting a more powerful server. Stuff should be up and running within this week.

Yes, full data loss.

>>28528433
thank you for your service

I like TDUSC when I just want to switch off and drive.
Fills that gap The Crew 1 left behind.

>>28528503
Is it worth over the crew 2? I kinda liked cruising in TC2, but otherwise the game was just kinda crap.
Better than TC1 which I hated.

>>28528510
Look at some videos first and then decide I guess.

>>28528503
>TDUSC
Last I checked every car was LHD, and it really makes me wonder why they even decided to set the game in a RHD country. It bothers me a lot, actually.

>>28528510
filtered

>>28521485
Thanks doc

Did they fix the performance in tdusc or nah

>>28528562
Not untill October

>>28528517
Probs so they can asset flip the cars when they make the next one

>>28528641
what’s happening in October

>>28528433
chat.get-good.net is back up. If you've made an account there before, you need to remake. It's a new install. Everything else is coming up shortly

>>28528944
clicked this link and my anti-virus started going crazy
be warned guys I wouldn't open this again

>>28528944
Clicked this link and it started logging my keystrokes. At least when the text input was focused anyway.

>>28528944
Clicked this link and saw gent's balls

My cockpit has arrived
Dont have anyone to share my excitement with, so i hope anons itt dont mind few posts while im trying to assemble it all
Also bought a 49” ultrawide screen - havent tested it either.
I cant wait to get started! ( judging by my experience, it will be a very bumpy road and i will get enraged multiple times before everything is connected and i can finally start a game )
Btw, its a sim-lab r1x “ultimate”

>>28528971
Nice I also have a simlab rig, and a 49" ultrawide. Mines Samsung.

>>28528960
wrong, I'm actually logging your strokes.

You're about to have one.

>>28528962
Wtf liar now I have a virus

>wheel and pedal
>rpcs3
>all 3 ps3 motorstorm games
now this is peak, hate that there's no clutch/hpattern support but i mapped 4th gear to boost so atleast that's amusing.

>>28528971
That's great, anon. I hope one day I may afford a setup as nice as that, unironically.

>>28529015
I believe you can map it to any device, I thought I mapped the shift to my usb sequential shifter in GT5 (not sure though, haven't played since).

where’s the fucking AssEvo update 0.3 that we were promised

>>28527473
Never tried IRacing but how would you compare it to ACC? Been looking at LMU but don't know if I should make the investment.

>>28529058
idk what im doing i installed x360 to make it work because rpcs3 wouldnt see my g29 under any circumstances

>>28520849
to tie the whole single player mode to an online service so gremlin interactive can pull the plug on the game if they want to force you to buy the fatal. racing 2026

>>28528282
This.
I can't remember an online game which had tanked that hard their playerbase and somehow managed to rebuild it.
It would need both a miracle and the amount of money and effort nacon will never have
Also kek they and their paid media shills are talking about "most requested" features coming in year 2 and none of those is the offline mode which simply dominated the comment secion of all their posts.

>>28529071
Anyone who thinks iracing feels good is retarded and you should ignore whatever they say.

>>28529009
I bought a Phillips - it was about 10% cheaper here, and judging by reviews should be about the same level as a samsung. But yeah, an OLED G9 is supposed to be top tier - my original plan was to get a 57” G9, but then i would have to buy a pricy “standalone mount”. Its just too much for my budget. Integrated screen-stand cant handle the weight of a 57”.

>>28529058
I was saving up and “collecting” other gear for a few years now. Even though a cockpit is supposed to be an essential part, i managed with mounting a wheel on a desk for a long time, without major issues.
I really hope it will be worth the hard-earned money!

The assembly is moving slowly forward. So far everything is fitting nicely, although its odd that they didnt include tools - have to use my own. No manual either - had to download one online, fromw their homepage.( maybe i overlooked it in one of the boxes )

>>28528944
mumble and lemans are back up as well.

>mumble
what is this 2005

>>28529241
we got banned from discord for having the highest nigger count server on the whole platform not even joking

>>28529241
Yes

>>28529245
Ive only got banned for going into chomo minecraft servers and asking politely to stop molesting children and on a seperate occasion posting africans jumping off lightpoles

>>28529245
use tox retards

Rip ozzy ):

>>28529241
>you have to use modern software, because you just do
If it provides all you need, where's the problem?
Y
Did you know banks are still running COBOL and sending faxes?

now THIS is a racing game

I just mew it will not go smoothly!
The fucking monkeys didnt include the brackets for the bucketseat.
I have paid just over 2000 euro for a “complete set”, where seats are added from a dropdown menu, yet they didnt include the brackets - wtf?!
Now i have to pay even more money, and waste time.
Greedy retards

>>28529354
>people actually pay more than 100 sheckles for extruded aluminium

>>28529400
dude it's rattlecanned you don't get it

>>28529354
all this shit just to play mid that's crazy

>>28529354
my setup is a house chair with some old shelf racks welded together on it

>>28529071
ACC is more enjoyable to drive, but iRacing is better for multiplayer. The GT3 tire model update makes those cars okayish to drive now, but driving at the limit is still very risky and feels a bit vague, even with third party FFB apps. It's one of the sims that lives by the "more punishing physics = more realistic" mantra, which I am not a fan of. ACC is very forgiving in comparison. Part of it might also be due to the fact that iRacing is just a glorified NR2003 mod.

I bought LMU again since its no longer in EA and I moved onto a DD wheel so maybe it'll feel slightly better. The tracks playing for the GT3 series recently in iRacing have not been my favorite, so I'm probably gonna take a short break from it till they run Daytona at the IMSA series in a few weeks.

>>28529354
I just use a DD-X wheelstand from gt omega and its sturdy as fuck. I use a 45kg load cell on it and it doesn't budge, in addition to an 8nm DD wheel.

the cockpit you bought is a meme, but if you have the space then its nice I guess

>>28529354
you know we have like a sheet and build guide and shopping list for the aluminium profile you need for a home rig? Last one someone built in mattermost was 195€

>>28529241
>>28529251
When the server took a shit it was the first time mumble had been down since 2021. Name a better voip that isn't some stinky chinky software owned by glowies.

>>28529537
...discord?

>>28529539
We had a discord for like 4-5 years until some fag decided to report it and it had to be pruned and that's why we use mattermost now

>>28529547
Just don't post slurs. You can do that, right?

>>28529539
>can only have 1 PTT bound
>shit audio quality and you have to pay monthly extra to get better quality
>literally scans your pc and sends info to tencent china servers
>full of trannies and faggots who can join your server with one click
remind me how its better again?

>>28529551
No I cannot do that niggerfaggot

>>28529551
Freedom of speech is absolute, what did you sacrifice for yours nigger faggot?

>>28529539
discord fucking sucks as voip thoughbeit

Of course you can't go a few posts without dropping the n-bomb

>>28529551
I can do that but if you directly tell me not to then I can't.

>>28529539
this was decided on the track already

>>28529557
sacrifice ur mom 2 deez nuts

i take everything i said about LMU back

this is way better than irenting

We got him

>>28529353
niddo fo spiido
rannu

just finished my first race in LMU and won it with a 30 second gap, the fuckers here are slow as shit lmfao. worse than bottom split irenting drivers. i guess thats what happens when there's a lower barrier to entry

Any Automation people here? Is there something close to electronic throttle in Automation? I mean the whole point of electronic throttle is to bypass throttle response so I can put more counterweight for better smoothness and reliability, right?

>>28529537
qTox

>>28529889
sounds gay

>>28529893
it’s made by /g/

>>28529738
Yeah from initial driver rating and lower people are really fucking shit. Faster people also tend not to do the B0 daily races, so if you're not in the top 10% of splits you'll probably dominate.

>>28529738
>I kicked sand in a child's eyes
>I'm so tough
Beating B0 drivers is not impressive.

>>28524761
>>28524817
>>28525428
that's the x86 mod that basically rebuilds the game. the vanilla release does not look like that

>>28526416
>>28526410
you just unlocked a memory from my early childhood of playing Hot Wheels Stunt Track Driver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Z7MnSmCzE

>>28528517
because the game was partially funded by the Chinese government, which required them adding Chinese content.

>>28529889
looks interesting, next time if we change platforms I'll consider it. For now it's easier to just go with what we know as there's nothing wrong with mattermost or mumble. Other than they're both old.

Good arcade-y racers with LARP mechanics (qualifying, pitting, yellow flags etc.)? The closest thing I can think of is TOCA 3 and maybe Whiplash but neither fully live up to it (especially TOCA, pitting seems mostly unnecessary).

NR2003 would the best example of this, but its arcade mode feels like an afterthought (as it probably should) and it's oval racing.

>>28530293
gran autismo 3

>>28530293
new star gp maybe

>>28530295
why the 3 over 4?

>>28530307
4 is piss easy and you probably only need to pit maybe once or twice in the entire career

I've got a bad feeling about the upcoming race
had a dream tonight of driving some kind of mustang against a 935 and almost crashing, then race being canceled and everyone being teleported to pits
or was it just a 1lap warmup

>>28530308
what's the consensus on assists in 3?

>>28530326
ASM off always. Never a reason to have it on as it slows you down if it detects the slightest bit of slip angle
TCS depends on the cars power output, tire compound, your own driving style etc etc

>>28530324
Don't worry. I'll make the actual race much worse.

haven't checked up on beamng in years. is it still just a halfbaked tech demo or have they finally managed to turn it into an actual game?

>>28530442
Maps do have shit to do via various challenges and there is fun content here and there, though it's still very sandboxy.
The major turnoff for me is beammp. Sure, it ain't official bu still. It doesn't take advantage of all this content at the moment, so it kinda sucks. Setting up races is impossible by default (there are plugins but a lot of them were abandoned), so unless you have a pack of dedicated autists, you'll probably have to settle for freeroaming.

>>28530167
the vanilla game looks exactly like that minus the cockpit visual upgrades
i am also using a '93 season mod.

>>28529894
oh wow it's REALLY gay then and like all the board reader apps will suddenly go EOL without warning and never get updated again after some api changes brick it
pass

>>28530442
there is a bit of a street legal-esque odd-job and upgrade simulator in it now but its still got all the depth of garry's mod
frankly it sounds like burnout paradise is more your speed, scrub

just realised this is basically the female version of sim gaycing on the verge of throwing out my rig

>>28530619
simhorsing is way cheaper, how has nobody adapted this technology for simracing...

>>28530619
bros they have way better FFB...

>>28530326
keep in mind you have to adjust the assists on each car individually, very annoying

>>28530644
But FFB isn't real

for me, it's whiplash

Silly me for wanting to play.

>>28530711
>Check the patch notes
>The Casino is unavailible in these countries:

Casino Restricted Countries
Africa

Algeria
Egypt
Libya
Mali
Mauritania
Morocco
Sudan
Tunisia

Latin America

Argentina
Brazil
Cuba
Ecuador

Asia and the Middle East

Afghanistan
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Cambodia
China
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Malaysia
Maldives
Nepal
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Türkiye
United Arab Emirates
Vietnam
Yemen

Europe

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Czech Republic
Greece
Iceland
Montenegro
Poland
Portugal
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Ukraine

Oceania

Australia
Fiji
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Tuvalu

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28530698
Noice

>>28530452
no it doesn't. for one, the vanilla game doesn't have 3D tyre textures.

it’s time to troll this monke

>>2853075
>minus the cockpit visual updates
read a book nigga, the only difference are the tyres being visible from the cockpit and the moving steering wheel, both are projected onto the vanilla game window btw

Who did Kaz vote during the Japan election on Sunday?

>2025
>still no racing game that has as much simulation value as Enthusia, a sim from 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcwpqkgTZo

>>28530837
who cares the man is senile and cannot make a fun game, just a half baked "sim"

>>28530882
Shame that Enthusia had the most retarded career and progression possible.

>>28530882
>still no racing game that has as much simulation value as Enthusia, a sim from 2005
iRacing came out not that many years later retard

>>28530894
>slip and slide tires that take too many laps to heat up
>go over the limit
>tires are completely cooked and you cannot push the car for half a minute
no thanks
>>28530892
it is what it is

>>28530882
I mean, Japan is slowly realizing that.

Just a heads up for the le mans event I am not doing your dirty work for you, if you want a physics patch for your car you pack it yourself so it works straight out of the zip file otherwise you're not getting that shit. Don't be a lazy nigger. Provide a mod that works as is or make it work as is.

>>28530715
I want to really know what "the casino" is
is it some ingame place to gamble your ingame money? Then it's cringe

I heard there’s an iRenting killer?
What is it

>>28531220
Buying an actual car

>>28531220
It was suicide

>>28528261
>Test Drive Silent Hill

>>28530762
>Hi Misha, did you ever feel the urge to crash into a slow car in the ring?

>>28530983
i don't speak spanish

>>28531220
LMU if you like multiclass racing or gt3s. the iRenting lobbies have been kinda dead as of late tbqh

>>28530983
Sorry I'm not Italian

>>28531347
LMU now has every Hypercar (which are represented better than iRacing) and LMGT3
The tires are a lot better now, too
If you want a WEC sim it's pretty much the thing

>>28531383
track selection isn't great but it has most of what you would want to drive on. I hate driving GT3s on VIR, it feels like a club circuit meant for slower cars like the miata. A lot of American tracks I don't like desu outside of Daytona and Laguna Seca. And iRacing is an American company that focuses on IMSA for its GT3s so we have a lot of those

>>28531634
Silverstone is conformed for on the roadmap along with Barcelona and Paul Ricard

>>28531644
>conformed
Confirmed*

>>28528944
clicked this link and consequences will never be the same

>>28529528
souce on that, please? I didn't find it on the wiki.

im on my hands and knees begging. PLEASE play Le Mans Ultimate, this update is so good

>>28531967
Eh. iRacing still has better feeling GT3s so not really sure if i want to make the switch.

>>28531974
they did until yesterday sure. the 1.0 update saved gt3s for me

>>28528750
Season 5 with the engine revamp and fixes

>>28532067
just watched the season 5 preview. lmao looks like shit. downgrades incoming

>>28532069
I swear they just slapped a blue filter on it and called it a day

>>28531966
I don't think it's posted on the wiki, but seppo in chat did this like a year ago so he probably has the shopping list still saved. Should probably add it to the wiki now that you mentioned it.

>>28531299
>>28531362
70.37% dislikes.

Anons, does anyone how to test usb-cable latency?.. or what board do i need to post such question on?

I have to use 2 x 5m usb cables for my powered usb 3.0 hub - im worried about latency as it came with like a 0.75 m cable in the box, and i dont want any input lag

>>28532246
latencymon, put a high polling rate device like a mouse on it and see what changes. Unless you're using some really old shitty usb cables there shouldn't really be any issues unless you have a USB hub with a bunch of high poll rate devices.

>>28531974
i think it depends on the car. the AMG feels like a boat in LMU but feels decent in iRacing. the BMW on the other hand feels way better in LMU.

>>28520693 (OP)
KYYYYUTIE

>>28532326
i'd play GT7 again if we had up to date GT3 cars and they had their assists properly implemented like in other sims

the premier sim racing service

>>28532426
80 percent of irenters have 0 racecraft and they all drive like its the last lap of the last race racing for the championship

>>28532434
the driving standards have been in the gutter ever since the coof boom and even before 4 name iberians nuked you off the track every second race

>>28532071
They even removed stuff. Look at the grass near the bench for example lmao

>>28532440
i just stay the fuck away from anyone that has a spanish sounding name

>>28532426
That's some Mad Max shit right there.

>>28532426
I wish Road America was in ACC or LMU
I don't want to subscribe to iceracing
It's a fantastic racetrack

>>28532528
not that many sims have it, only other one i can think of is AMS2

>>28532544
Everything that has mods has it, so the only ones that don't are ACC and LMU.

>>28532544
>AMS2
Makes sense since IIRC they have an IMSA license
I should check it out

I should’ve never started with sim racing.
I was a happy poorfag before but now I can’t stop thinking about kino cars, and I feel pressured to make big stonks

Road America sucks ass. And it’s in GT7

>>28532633
>Track where traction is everything sucks in the infinite traction simcade
Wow!

>>28532666
checked. rip ozzy ):
also, wouldn’t that mean the track is kino in GT7?

>>28532676
No because half the struggle of RA is fighting out of the traction-limited corners and the grip-limited carousel
Give everyone magic GT7 tires and the track becomes shit

>>28532633
GT7 has road atlanta, not road america

>>28532666
road atlanta is goated in gt7

>>28532631
>buy a cheap fun car
>buy a cheap ass local racing car
>buy a go kart
>buy an ATV

literally all these options can be done for less than the retarded ass sim racing setups that get shilled all the time unless you live somewhere like singapore

>>28532837
on what planet are those cheaper than sim racing? you are not required to get a full rig and triple monitors. a wheel and pedals these days are not gonna go over $1k for a midrange set.

>>28532850
you can absolutely get racing for under $1k if you go to a local banger track, you can absolutely buy a kart or an atv under that price, and there are plenty of shitboxes in most countries under $1k that are actually fun to drive

>>28532837
Yeah but I want to drive the kino cars.

>>28532856
>you can absolutely get racing for under $1k if you go to a local banger track,

no you absolutely can't

the cost of a single race including transport lodging and materiel in even the smallest leagues is 10 grand. a weekend of autocross is close to that too. a kart will cost about a grand PER EVENT.


no real life racing offers what simracing can, sorry, no amount of larping and pretending there are free shitboxes anymore

>and there are plenty of shitboxes in most countries under $1k that are actually fun to drive

if you actually look at used listings the cars in running condition for that kind of money are not fun, the cars that are fun don't run, and the cars that run and are fun are NOT cheap anymore thanks to ccf, bat and other jalopnik type car collector community shitholes driving the prices up on anything that can hold over a g

>>28532553
apparently FM2023 has Road America but that game is shit

>>28532891
>>28532856
Actual amateur shitter here, I'm firmly in the camp of "if you are thinking of spending five figures on a sim rig maybe buy a real racecar instead". That said, my racing budget is typically around $10k/year for 5-6 weekends and I try to do things as close to free as possible doing all the work on my car myself, sleeping in the trailer, and using tires well past their "fast" lifespan. Karting was cheaper but only when I was racing the 4-stroke briggs engine karts. The cool 100mph+ shifter karts cost about the same as racing a car.

I would budget at least $5k in startup costs and $5k/year to make a decent go at racing 4-stroke karts in your local club league. It's lots of fun, highly recommended. Sim racing does not give me anything close to the same feels as actually going racing in riol loif.

>>28532974
>"if you are thinking of spending five figures on a sim rig
ok but let me stop you right there:
a basic gaming pc and an ffb steering wheel does not and never has cost anywhere NEAR 5 grand. even when fun cars were 1500 bucks a pc that could play rfactor or nr2003 was $500.

like, you retards realize it's just "an computer" with a slightly fancy controller and not some weird console thing that only plays iracing right?
right? you don't need an extruded aluminum pedal box or any of that motion rig horseshit just get out there and do it. like you are suggesting, racing is racing. buying a 5k aluminum autims hugbox is the same thing as a dentist blowing 300 grand on an audi gt3 car he might only drive twice.
in karts you're spending a retarded amount of money to do the EXACT same thing you can do for like $500 career total on iracing or lmu using the shitbox pc you already own, driving cars you actually want to drive and not some fucking kid's toy. the math doesn't math bro. simracing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *


literally unironically right fucking now i double no triple dog dare you yo name me a single place in the world where for a measly $5000 I can drive Speed Racer's Mach 5 at 190 mph down the Circuit de la Sarthe circa 1965 while listening to super eurobeat and cracking open an ice cold Monster Zero Ultra.
i won't wait because i'm doing that as i type this and you literally can't

>>28532993
I do have a wheel and pedals that I use with the gaymen PC I would have anyway. I am posting to burst the "$1k to go racing" guy's bubble as much as shill for going racing irl over spending stupid money on gucci sim rigs. Even lemons and lucky dog guys spend about the same amount of money as I do on racing.

>>28533018
i literally didn't read the post or look at the picture you posted beyond that first sentence sorry

still the racing costs are recurring costs and thats if you're good and don't crash all the time >>28532426
like picrel
i can only imagine the kind of outlay the average iracing shitter would have just to make it thru a real season beating the shit out of himself and his car

>>28525770
you owned a ps5 in your dream?

I love the BMW M4 GT3

I wish I could drive it irl

>>28533224
just get one in real life, its cheaper than sim racing

>>28533233
>https://www.racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/151469/bmw-m4-gt3
>Engine and output shafts only have 3000km left in them
>Gearbox has ~8000km left in it
>Needs Evo upgrades
>350k bongnotes plus tip
It is not, shitposter-kun.

>>28533258
cheaper than a used g27

You don't even get the car from the Jackpot just 77777 chips.
I guess it's from the chance spins.

>>28533332
>I guess it's from the chance spins.
read this as chance penis xo

>>28533332
Damn theres actually someone else here.

>>28533396
>Sitting down right in front of Agent 47
Could not be me

>>28533473
>>28533473
>>28533473

>>28532837
my plan in the indeterminate future is to get a dirtbike and go race the Mint 400. one of these days...