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Here’s a question: If all the cars in all the lanes on the freeway are moving at the speed limit, which is the passing lane?

Answer: None of them. Because everyone is already at the speed limit. The law doesn’t allow speeding, even to pass.

A driver at the speed limit, in any lane, has no obligation to yield to a car that wants to speed. That car would be breaking the law; they don’t have right of way to do so.

Some states have laws that allow temporary speeding to pass. Most do not.

The idea of a passing-only left lane comes from the early highway era, when planners had a romantic vision of low-traffic roads with an always-open left lane. That vision has no relationship to today's crowded roads and notoriously strict speed enforcement.

The practice of using the left lane as a regular driving lane, and having speeders pass where they can, is a rational adaptation to these circumstances.

I’d argue it’s best to give up on the idea of the passing-only left lane.

Anyone who replies below me is a giga retarded triple nigger. Report and let it slide to the bottom.

>>28521418 (OP)
fortunately not all drivers are nazi assholes hellbent on preventing speeding

>>28521418 (OP)
there is no passing lane, all lanes are equal and fall under the same speed limit

>>28521418 (OP)
Tl;dr I speed.

>>28521418 (OP)

Youre the reason i support mass importing of raping and murdering immigrants. You dont deserve a white country.

>>28521418 (OP)
car speedometers are too inacurate for everyone to drive perfect speed limit

therefore somebody is slacking and somebody is speeding therefore op is a faggot

SAGE

Not even ticket nannies are going to take this seriously

>>28521418 (OP)
>A driver at the speed limit, in any lane, has no obligation to yield to a car that wants to speed
this is false and illegal in pretty much every state
the "idea" of the passing only left lane is not an idea, it's codified into law
0/10 b8

>>28521418 (OP)
You're really sharp for picking up on this.

>>28521781
He's correct though.
If you are going the speed limit in the left lane you have no obligation to yield to someone BREAKING THE LAW.

>>28521418 (OP)
>The idea of a passing-only left lane comes from the early highway era, when planners had a romantic vision of low-traffic roads with an always-open left lane. That vision has no relationship to today's crowded roads and notoriously strict speed enforcement.
There are countless interstates and highways across the US that specifically have signs that state "STAY RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS"

>>28521966
>If you are going the speed limit in the left lane you have no obligation to yield to someone BREAKING THE LAW.
You actually do. And by not allowing them to pass, or staying in a passing lane, you are breaking the same level of law as speeding.
Speeding doesn't cause accidents (makes accidents worse, doesn't usually cause them), cars clustering together and fighting because no one follows lane discipline does cause accidents.
I don't care about the law at all, personally - I care about safety. But when someone brings up "speeding is illegal" I'll obviously counter with the law that they are breaking. Then they get buttmad and post threads about it for months because they think they're the vigilante road police stopping speeders and their ego won't allow them to admit they were wrong. Too funny.

>>28521966
Driving in a passing lane is BREAKING THE LAW in vast majority of countries on the planet.

>retarded zoom zoomz dont realize sneeding limits are for long haul truckers and mostly in use for night time driving
But muh lawz doe bruh

>>28521966
>no obligation to yield
https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf

>>28522197
That is a very well written explanation. My state has even passed harsher passing lane laws since that was last updated ('22).
>There are two types of drivers: (1) those who get upset when somebody is illegally hanging out in the left passing lane, and (2) those who are blissfully ignorant that hanging out in the passing lane is both illegal and dangerous. When slower drivers are scattered between the right and left lanes, faster drivers must weave back and forth, slowing and speeding up repeatedly. For those who believe that they shouldn’t have to move over if they’re driving the posted speed limit, not only are they driving illegally, but evidence shows that slowing down and changing lanes is more dangerous than speeding. A car going 5 MPH slower than the speed limit has a greater chance of causing an accident than one going 5 MPH faster than the speed limit. That is why every state has some law on the books restricting the use of the left passing lane.

>>28522197
You dont even understand what you linked.
That only applies to lawful speeds.
If a line of trucks are doing 55mph in a 75mph zone and I start passing them doing 65mph then im obligated to yield to someone doing 75mph.
If im doing 75mph in the left lane and vehicles are doing 74mph in the right lane there is zero obligation in ANY state for me to move over for some asshat that wants to do 105mph.
Period.

>>28522339
>If im doing 75mph in the left lane and vehicles are doing 74mph in the right lane there is zero obligation in ANY state for me to move over for some asshat that wants to do 105mph.
Yes there is, it's the law. The link that guy posted even talks about how it's safer to speed than to block traffic.
You're butthurt about being wrong because you can't comprehend that there are rules and laws other than the really obvious one.

>>28522339
going 55mph?
going 74mph?
going 75mph?
going 105mph?
keep right except to pass

>>28522348
>talks about how it's safer to speed than to block traffic
Its a fucking .com blog not a law you braindead dumbfuck.

You lack the most fundamental understanding of law.
A law CAN NOT have an illegal activity as a prerequisite. By doing so there can be interpretations that cause a bystander to become complicit or even an accomplice.
In this case, saying driver A must do "X" because driver B is violating the law is illegal in itself.
Yielding to faster traffic ONLY applies if the faster traffic is within the law.

Stupid fucking basement dwellers.

>>28522381
>Yielding to faster traffic ONLY applies if the faster traffic is within the law.
No it does not. It's also illegal to hang out in a left lane if no one else is even around.
You do you, just don't get upset when people tailgate or pass you.

>>28522396
>A law CAN NOT have an illegal activity as a prerequisite

>>28522339
>That only applies to lawful speeds
>this statutory duty of slower traffic to keep right applies “notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits.” For example, in California, Cal. Vehicle Code §
21654 requires “any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction” to drive in the right-hand lane,
“notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits.” Laws such as this refer to the “normal” speed of traffic, not the “legal” speed of traffic

>>28522409
there is no prerequisite
the law is: if not passing, you use the right lane
there is no mention of traffic, other vehicles or their speed, only a duty by law to utilize the right lane unless passing or turning left

>>28522409
1- It's illegal to be in the passing lane if you aren't actively passing or about to turn left, it's not predicated on the actions of others.
2 - Safety trumps law. People DO drive at different speeds, and filtering right prevents accidents in the first place, speed just makes accidents worse.

>>28522409
>A growing number of states now require drivers in the left lane to move to the right, even if they are driving at or exceeding the speed limit. The speed of their vehicle is irrelevant. There is a duty to keep right and use the left lane for passing only

>>28521984
>speeding drivers doing risky undertakes because someone is preventing them from speeding, are the cause of most accidents
FTFY

IM SO ANGRY YOUR DANGEROUS

>>28521418 (OP)
is this post advocating for swimming? idc imma swim either way

>>28524606
niggers can't swim

>speeding is allowed if you're going with the flow of traffic
Tell that to the state police in Ohio that pulled me over for doing 82 on the turnpike and I'm unfortunately the only schmuck from the train of cars i was following to pull over since i was at the back of it. Cop luckily gave me a warning since I was the only one to pull over, then he took off down the road likely to try and get some of the others i guess.

>>28524617
is it not mostly niggers doing it anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVLwsZcK7Ak

>>28524577
They wouldn't have to undertake if someone else weren't breaking the lane discipline laws in the first place.
People DO drive different speeds, get over it, lane rules allow for everyone to go the speed that they want.
You hog the left lane because you're scared of driving. There's no lane to the left and no ramps to worry about, so you camp left despite now knowing that it's a crime. You're now a criminal.

>>28524652
>The robbers wouldn't have to murder if the victims just yielded their money immediately

>>28524668
>mad because bad
You're scared of driving. That's why you camp left and think speeding is some big deal. Learn to drive.
Also that metaphor doesn't work as, again, left lane camping is illegal.

>>28524674
>You're scared of driving
tbf to him so are you
the only reason you're so rattled by left lane campers is because you can't swim past them

>>28524652
>They wouldn't have to undertake if someone else weren't breaking the lane discipline laws in the first place.
Yeah, but they'd do it anyway. I regularly see cars running fast in an open left lane change for no reason to the far right lane to pass a car in the middle on the right. It's like they do it to spice up their life or something.

>>28521627
weird I guess the government is a nazi government since they create speed limits
don't forget to eat your veggies

>>28524674
>he assumes I clog the left because I argue against his retarded ass
>resorted to name calling after having no retort

>>28521418 (OP)
didnt read more than two lines of your post and just opened this threat to tell you to please kill yourself

>>28524777
I actually prefer them doing that than being some tailgating left lane principal sperg that wrecks his car after someone has to slow down for whatever reason. I always have to add an hour to my road trips because they crashed

>>28521418 (OP)
In this part of the country it’s keep right except to pass
So if you’ve gotten onto the highway (at the speed limit, bc you’re supposed to merge at speed) then you’ll have to always stay in the right line if your theory is correct
You’re going the speed limit, the car in front of you is going the speed limit. You’ll never need to pass, so YOU will stay in the right line, and not worry about what’s going on left of you

i go in whatever lane i want, speeding bitch cant do anything about it kek they have small dicks

>>28525334
wrong, no cars can legally exceed the speed limit (except for officers of the law and ambulances)
they can go slower than the speed limit though
passing is a maneuver for getting ahead of people that are driving slower than the speed limit when you would like to drive closer to the speed limit and can safely do so (weather and road conditions permit it)
any time somebody is speeding they are breaking the law and have no right to whine about anybody else "being in their way"
last time I checked they don't let toddlers drive cars so why act like a toddler and speed?

>>28525343
So you’d have to immediately return to the right lane at the speed limit having passed the fellow who is under the speed limit. In your example you can never be in the left lane unless you’re directly next to someone who sped up while you were trying to pass him, in which case in this part of the country you are legally obligated to either slow down or speed up. Since speeding up is illegal, you’d be forced to sloe down, at which point you’d have to merge back right - keep right except to pass.
Because the law is “keep right except to pass” not “only pass in the left” it wouldn’t allow you to ever camp the left lane at the speed limit. After you pass whoever you’re passing, you’re obligated to be in the right lane.

>>28525353
Your reading comprehension is bad, he said he's passing people not going the speed limit, so he's passing them going the speed limit.

>>28525358
Yeah, and once he’s passed them he’s got to return to the right lane.
If they speed up (to the speed limit) while he’s passing, he’s then obligated to slow down to avoid creating an unsafe condition. Once slowed, he’s not passing, and is therefore obligated to keep right.
Keep right except to pass.

>>28525366
luckily if I'm going in the left lane exactly at the speed limit you will never need to pass me so you have nothing to whine about
even in the parts of the country where being in the left lane while not passing is ostensibly illegal, it is never enforced
unlike speeding
so I guess you can just keep seething and go fuck yourself
if you tailgate or flicker your lights, we will be slowing down

>>28525387
I’ll never need to pass you but you’ll be breaking the law unless you’re passing a constant line of people going under the speed limit
As a factual matter, I almost always put on cruise control in the right lane at the speed limit because I hate tickets.
You’re just ignorant of the law.

>>28525407
I drive in whatever lane I feel like
laws that aren't enforced are no laws at all

>>28522222
quints of truth

>>28525423
Keep right except to pass is enforced, it’s one of two tickets I’ve ever had, got pulled over in South Jersey for it
The other was failing to move out of the right line for a cop in the shoulder in Massachusetts

>>28525432
well in 20 years of driving I've never gotten a ticket so I'll keep doing it lol
I'm embarrassed for you though if that makes you feel better

>>28525444
Are you retarded ?

>>28525446
for not getting tickets?
no, but you might be if you get tickets for things like being present in a lane lmao

>>28525432
damn america is a cucked nannystate

Cops have gone full Uvalde.
If speeding was dangerous, cops would avoid doing it.

>>28521418 (OP)
Traffic is caused by people camping in the left lane. The only time I ever have ti slow down on the freeway is when 2 idiots are blocking the 2 leftmost lanes creating a block and not going above the speed limit. I actually ran into 4 idiots driving alongside each other this morning, barely any people on the freeway yet they feel it's appropriate to drive in a line blocking 4 lanes for anyone that wants to go faster than them. Some people are just crabs in a bucket. I don't care if I have to pass on the right, it would be smoother if no one had to, but when you get multiple people making a wall on the left side it causes issues and multiple lane changes need to be made to pass them.

When there's legitimately just too many browns clogging up the road yeah the left lanes aren't passing lanes anymore, you'd only be going a few MPH faster anyway so not much of a difference. No one is going to sit in the right lanes and go 20+ MPH slower than the lane next to them, not even you so don't complain. The roads are not designed for this many immigrants, the roads simply won't road if there's that many browners clogging them up. What I said above is for a functional freeway without excessive brownshits causing congestion.

>>28525557
no its not its caused by reckless drivers speeding and weaving so they can get to point b .5 seconds faster, causing accidents and brake slamming all the way
lets be real, just stop speeding like a nigger and things will improve

>>28521418 (OP)
In europe everyone stays on the right lane and passes on the left lane. Most countries allow some leeway above the speed limit for passing, it was around 20kph in spain (12mph)
Why cant americans, the motorized nation by excellence, figure out lanes and lane prefference? Its like some latino or asian shit

>>28525432
I doubt this happened

>Left lane hogs resort to "well, it's illegal, b-b-but it's not enforced!!!" After sperging out in threads for weeks about how speeding is the law and the law matters.
Big reveal: the crimes that are easiest to prove are the ones that get enforced the most. It doesn't mean everything else is legal or safe.

If you want to enforce the law on left lane chads then feel free to apply to be a police officer

>>28521418 (OP)
>Answer: None of them. Because everyone is already at the speed limit. The law doesn’t allow speeding, even to pass.
So you're saying you don't know how speed limits are set by the 85th percentile rule? And that they're set knowing people will go faster than the cited limit?

total passing lane hog death

>>28525921
>civil engineers plan on niggers, so you should act like a nigger
bold strategy

>>28521418 (OP)
Just because a car that wants to speed in the left lane doesn't have the "right" to speed in the left lane, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to stop them. Those people will still speed, but they will just pass in the other lanes which makes their behavior far more dangerous and unpredictable. Speeding in and of itself isn't nearly as dangerous as passing on the right or making sudden lane changes. So your proposal is more dangerous as well as being less efficient. That's why all state governments and police departments think you are wrong.

Besides, if someone is having a medical emergency or urgently needs to get somewhere for an important reason, you shouldn't impede their progress. Blocking speeders doesn't gain anything for you. You should try not to derive pleasure from inconveniencing other people.

Lastly, I've noticed that everyone who uses the term "right of way" is a fucking idiot. I'm not sure why that phrase is so attractive to low-IQ people but if you are not aware, there is no such legal construct in any state. Traffic codes dictate who is obligated to yield, not who is entitled to go. Nobody is ever entitled to go in any circumstance and thinking this way is the opposite of defensive driving and it'll get you into a lot of accidents.

>>28522409
The internal revenue service expects you to pay taxes on income from illegal sources. Failing to pay taxes on illegal income is how they convicted Al Capone. It's also how onlyfans thots get audited

>>28521418 (OP)
The law also codifies keep right except to pass. So in your hypothetical scenario, unless the right lane(s) have enough traffic to be at 100% safe following distance capacity, with everyone doing the speed limit, you still shouldn't be in the left lane. Unless you admit you were speeding to get alongside someone and then match their speed, or you deliberately were obstructing traffic by moving to the left lane and slowing down until there was a car next to you. And if the road is busy enough that the right lane(s) are full and traffic has to use the left lane due to volume, your hypothetical bullshit falls apart because it's too busy for speeders.
The final thing though is that you're not a cop. Enforcing traffic laws is not your responsibility. In fact, you do not have the authority to force people to follow the law, no matter what your autism tells you.
>t. texting and driving 10 over