Why is FSD still shit after being promised for 10 years? Will self driving cars ever be a thing?

Meanwhile in the first world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypj2ii--1Uc

you have never even driven a car with fsd, how can you call it shit
it actually works

>>28526376 (OP)
Not anytime soon. Using a couple cheap cameras and lidar sensors just isn't going to cut it. The only way it would ever work is if cars are able to communicate with each other and the actual road. That's going to need decades more technology and trillions in infrastructure upgrades. Trains only need to stop and go and those still have drivers... Planes are fully self flying with the best hardware and software available and even those fall out of the sky from time to time.

>>28526736
Teslas don’t even have LIDAR. So if it rains/snows/sun is too bright/camera is slightly dirty… all autonomous self-driving features get turned off.

>>28526377
Chinkna is in the second world

>>28526376 (OP)
its pretty good already.
if you're on a 5day/week commute, its well worth the 100 bucks a month they ask for it. or if you have to do a road trip, again, well worth buying it for that month.

ofc, it isn't perfect, certainly not to the point where you can just turn it on and take a nap while it drives, even if it would let you, which it won't
but it can easily do 99% of total driving by mileage, and that's an enormous relief

imo everyone out there is thinking about this the wrong way. everyone is focusing on how many edge cases it can handle, trying to see what sort of fucked up shit will confuse it
personally, i don't really care if fsd can deal with everything. i don't need it to deal with everything. i need it to deal with the boring stuff.
if there's something strange/unusual, ill happily take over and deal with it for a few seconds/minutes.
the essential thing is that when i have to do 30mins of start/stop traffic, or several hours of boring highway cruise, it can do that. that's what matters.

>>28527800
>Teslas don’t even have LIDAR
wtf? And they want to be self driving??

>>28529922
I think older models had lidar but musk ordered them to make the cars cheapers and removed them.

>>28529922
>>28529929
It does suck because it's 100% a cost cutting measure. There's no reason not to have LIDAR as a backup. They don't have USS either. Massive advantages for instances where Teslavision doesn't work. Part of his justification was that in the conditions where Teslavision does work, it's waaay better than LIDAR ever could be.

>>28529856
>100 bucks a month, they ask for it
So, you own nothing

$1,200 / yr to take away one of my favorite things (driving) but you have to still be alert all the time even though you're doing nothing because there's a small chance it might fuck up?
No thanks.
Also, "just another two weeks! Keep buying my products!"
>>28529856
I had no idea they charge more to unlock some software that's supposed to be a key selling point, that's fucky. Now I'll laugh at tesloids even harder!

>>28530093
Not that anon, but you're making it obvious you've never tried it. Sometimes commuting fucking sucks. It's why I have a Model 3 RWD with (pirated) FSD and a Mercedes CLK63 for the sporting drives.

Mostly highway and mountain/coastal driving here in SoCal, but some days I just absolutely don't feel like it. So I push a single button and turn off my brain until I'm there. I watch some YouTube, make a phone call, take meetings, etc. Just as long as my head is somewhat turned forwards, I don't have to do a single thing like touch the wheel.

>>28526400
>it actually works
until it drives over worn road markings and a highway interchange

>>28530199
>but you're making it obvious you've never tried it.
I haven't. Why does that matter here? I'm not saying it doesn't work. I like driving and they charge you microtransactions just to unlock something the car already has. Why would I pay to not drive? Do you pay other men to fuck your wife because "it's too much work?"

You literally need AGI for self driving to work in the open world. China will make self driving work by fencing their entire country.

>>28530214
>goes to an automotive forum
>gets mad that people have different opinions
>cannot understand that people have different commutes
>"I LIKE SITTING IN BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC. ROWING MY OWN GEARS. SMILES PER GALLON"

>>28528755
Nah. That might've been true even five years ago, but now they are legitimately on the level of Japan in terms of infrastructure. It's genuinely impressive.

I sincerely hope we can have that level of jump in infrastructure in the USA all our shit is from the 1950s man

>>28526377
>meanwhile in the firs-ACK!