Remember a decade ago when the first Model S released? Everyone called Tesla a big hoax and that electric wasn't viable. Fast forward to 2024 and Tesla Model Y and 3 were the top selling cars of that year, with great range and features that made traditional brands look like they were stuck in the stone age. They also kickstarted the EV revolution with all brands making their own EVs, some almost on par with Tesla. They also invested a ton in infrastructure unlike other car brands, making charging outside of the home viable.

But now things are going pretty bad for Tesla again, Its CEO went full schizo and started to act against the interest of EVs, and the brand name is in the shitter with sales falling rapidly in favor of other EV brands. Do you think Tesla will recover? It's so rare to see a new brand enter the fray and just dominate like that. Would be a shame to have it an anomaly.

>>28532152 (OP)
Other brands like Pontiac also went bankrupt and ceased to exist.

This is what capitalism looks like , this is not a centrally planned economy with massive government support.

>>28532164
>This is what capitalism looks like , this is not a centrally planned economy with massive government support.
The automobile industry has been carried by its own governments for centuries. It's not capitalism. It is in fact planned economy. Why do you think the west puts 100% tariffs on Chinese cars? You think that's capitalism? No, it's planned economics. Do you think the petrol industry is somehow free of subsidies? Why do you think lobbying exists?

The automotive industry is the least capitalist/free trade of all industries.

>>28532152 (OP)
Bro musk man got high off political memes that shit ain't nobody's fault but his.

>>28532168
But the school textbook said otherwise.

>>28532168
god i wish petrol was subsidised.

>>28532202
The petrol industry is still subsidized. Just because there is taxation on electricity doesn't mean EVs also aren't subsidized. The money just isn't where you're looking.

https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/fossil-fuel-subsidies

>>28532168
Its still capitailsim even if there are protectionist policies around certain industries friend.
Laissez-faire capitalists are literally retarded
>muh thats not reeeeeal capitalism!!!1!

What isnt capitalism is subsidy, unless that subsidy isnt equally applied, which it never is because the other regulatory meddling the government does, tarriffs on imports on the other hand still leave room for domestic competition.

>>28532202
based US

>>28532202
>>28532289
The petroleum industries are some of the most subsidized and favored operations on the planet. If they were not, their leaders would be in prison for the trillions they've caused in externalities and various damage over the past century.
They know they're too important and thus can get away with it.

>>28532152 (OP)
It was bound to happen because Elon legitimately thinks he is Tony Stark from marvel. The problem is that instead of innovating on EV, Elon just had one design made and pushed it so hard that it has effectively capped all development. Basically every EV is just a Tesla but worse or better, and it lead to EVs being largely shit, and hybrid tech over took it in every standing other than torque (which meant nothing anyway as EVs can't tow). The tragedy of Tesla is really the tragedy of EVs, and we can only hope this was just the first generation of EVs.

>>28532363
Hybrid tech is shit and only Toyotranny shills bother hyping it up. It's joyless as fuck. Either get a real ICE car or an EV. Maybe plug-ins are ok if you get an ok range but mild hybrids are just a waste of time. I have never driven a fun mild hybrid car. Have you? It's just something Toyota Jap kikes hype up because they're too stupid to make good EVs.

>>28532369
>REEE HYBRID BAD
sorry that gen 1 lithium ion EV did nothing with its massive surge despite becoming Chinese appliances. Hybrids are the way of the future until Gen 2 or even Gen 3 EVs

>>28532164
If only you knew that Pontiac was shut down by GM on direct instruction of the US Government as a stipulation of the 2008 automotive industry bailouts

>>28532374
>talking shit about lithium ion batteries while shilling hybrid tech
What do you think deteriorates faster, a 1kWh battery that is constantly depleted or a 60kWh that is never going below 20% or above 80% in charge?

In terms of battery tech, we're already Gen 2, maybe Gen 3 of EVs. The Nissan Leaf of 2010 had completely different battery cooling and durability, then came the Model S which was fairly long-lasting but was easily damaged and needed replacements. And now the current gen with EV batteries rarely needing replacements, if ever.

>>28532396
The better-designed hybrids only use like half the battery's capacity, and within that half they mostly go between 30% and 60% SoC. They can last a pretty long time if not abused too much.

he might just be fucked. he did everything in the last year he could to ruin his and his company's reputation as much possible. 2/3rds of their global sales were model y and now he upped the price like 10% with a lazy facelift and almost no notable upgrades or improvements. is there even a path to victory from here? dropping prices is mandatory but it will cost him billions. not that he doesn't have billions to burn, but can he set aside his ego and give up title of worlds wealthiest man to save his car company?

>>28532309
Very well stated.
>>28532152 (OP)
Honestly, I wouldn't say full schizo, just put his autism on full display. Like him or hate him, history will remember his name.


And I want a tesla. If these cybertrucks keep sitting on the lot, I might scoop one up.

>>28532309
>What isnt capitalism is subsidy
There's nothing uncapitalistic about subsidies. Why wouldn't the people who own stuff have the state assist their ventures to make them more profitable? Don't confuse capitalist marketing material, which is used to explain why the government and state power can't do much for you, with how capitalism actually works (people who own stuff get kicked up to like a mafia boss).

>>28532401
They'll still be a fraction as durable as EV batteries since the latter has 60 times the storage to reckon with.

>>28532603
Sure, but the hybrid might be usable with the battery down to half its original capacity.
EVs are marginal enough as it is. I would not be able to do many of my regular driving trips in an EV without praying that the one charging station along the way is in usable condition. If the battery was down to 50% of its original capacity, the trip would simply be impossible.
And if the hybrid battery goes bad after 10+ years, there might be salvaged batteries available for like 1k. The EV battery is probably a bit more expensive than that.

>>28532164
It stopped being capitalism with the bailouts

>>28532618
>EVs are marginal enough as it is.
It depends. Most new EVs these days are at 300+ mile range. This is overkill for daily use and you'll only ever charge for those rare road trips. That's hardly marginal.

>If the battery was down to 50% of its original capacity, the trip would simply be impossible.
I have yet to see an EV from this decade with a battery that has degraded that badly, even with insane miles on the odometer. Lowest I've seen from Youtube videos is like 85%, and that's from taxi Model S that have been driven for 400k miles in over a decade.

Hybrid is only worth it if you're an Uber driver and all your driving is downtown with minimum inter-city driving. Hybrids are useless on the highway. Plug in is ok since you can rely almost entirely on battery for daily distances but mild hybrid is just a waste.

>>28532407
I test drove the 2026 model Y twice this week cause I am in the market.

I tried the cyberbeast while I was there and honestly that thing is scary as shit. Something that heavy should not move that fast!

>>28532375
>google
damn, he's not kidding. Guess Poor O'l Obama's dad thought it was a Cadillac, and this was his revenge.

>>28532402
He's a text book example of a nepo babby having his ass carried by smarter people. Elon didn't make Tesla cars good. It was their lead engineers who managed to identify flaws (serious ones, mind you) and rectify those in the yearly revisions. Tesla also got lucky in that traditional brands hated electric so there was this huge vacuum waiting to be filled. Tesla barely beat the Chinese to it.

Now Tesla still makes really good EVs but with insane insurance costs and less reliability than traditional brands, I can see why they start to struggle. Tesla needs to create a 200HP FWD Model 3 with an LFP battery that promises good range at sensible pricing. No more 400HP retardation that just kills your tyres and insurance cost. Make a true affordable option that can compete with ICE equivalents. Tesla knows this too but such a model would risk eating into their premium priced line-up.

>>28533626
Brother, i don't know if you're a midwit, or just jealous. Sure, there may be smarter people that he utilized, but you can't be an expert on every single subject. He's incredibly intelligent, and has used what resources he's had at his disposal.

I do agree with your sentiment about making a more sensible EV, which i believe they're in the process of doing, I think it's called the model q or something.

It doesn't matter.
Localities are already figuring out innovative ways to monetize EV operators in their jurisdiction.
>https://insideevs.com/features/766909/parking-ticket-michigan-electric-car/

>>28532402
>>28533626
I think he is a excellent midwit.
But what sets him apart from Zuckerberg, Bezor, and A LOT of people, is that it seems he actually wants to build stuff.
So some cars, related products to what is made to make those cars, and a few rockets. Very impressive compared to what his peers are doing and what they did.

Meme Johnsen isn't going to become a billionaire, he is going to stop his growth. And unless his flirting with biohacking works out, he won't really leave a legacy, just like Zuckerberg, Gates or Bezos.
Musk might.
Unless he gets blueballed too hard by Trump, or finally runs out of steam.

>>28532618
What you're basically saying is "sure, the battery might be more fucked than prime Belladonna in Anal Adventures 5, but at least the crappy gas car built around it still works".
It's not that strong an argument. You can now source chinesium mystery meat batteries for old Leaf models, and they're reasonably cheap (as long as you don't live in the US, because tariffs). Since those ancient Leafs only go something like 50 miles on the original battery, you can often find them for low prices.

>>28534372
>Unless he gets blueballed too hard by Trump
Trump is nothing. Just a gasbag zionist.

>>28532152 (OP)
>2 weeks bro
Tesla will continue to be a power house for the next 50 years, sorry if you cant handle it