Why is this orange faggot adding 15% tariffs on Japanese cars? All the good models (hybrids) are made in Japan

>>28533814 (OP)

>>28533814 (OP)
He will flip flop on it, like everything else. I dont take anything he says seriously because it lasts a day or two.

>>28533821
Japan already met the demands this is old news

>About the goyim.. Let them wait a little longer for McDonald's beef tallow fries

Most Japanese cars are made in America anyway. It did encouage them to stop building the CR-V in Canada and switch to US production of it. Where before only the hybrid CR-V's were built in the US.

>>28533814 (OP)
because he's legitimately retarded and doesn't understand how things actually work.
>manufacturers refuse to re-shore in any meaningful capacity
>manufcaturers instead pass the costs of tariffs to consoomcattle retard
>(with the assistance of jew money lenders)
>consoomcattle retards take on MORE DEBT to afford the costs of tariffs
>(consoomcattle retards bitch about muh heckin $90k base model F150XXL MEGASHART edition truck)

>>28533863
>refuse to manufacturer here
>become less competitive
Yeah that’s the point

>>28533866
i dont understand what youre trying to say. write it in full sentences.

>>28533872
>i dont understand
you should have started and ended with that.

>>28533884
if everyone you come in contact with thinks you're an inarticulate retard, the problem is you and not everyone else.

>>28533814 (OP)
Because he's based.
You're American. Buy American.

>>28533835
funny how everyone ignored this. chalk up another win for trump.

>>28533890
american cars are objectively inferior to japanese cars. as an example, just look at the GM cam lifter issues.

>>28533895
Don't wanna support your own country? Pay the tariff.

>>28533872
If you tariff a product coming in from a country, and the entire price of the tariff gets passed on to the consumer, then products being imported become less competitive with domestic products by virtue of being more expensive, which is the purpose of a tariff; economically it is effectively a sales tax which exempts domestic producers.

>>28533906
why pay a tariff when i can just donate monero to terrorist organizations?

>>28533908
competition isn't solely a function of price. american cars are objectively pieces of shit >>28533895 and even >>28533863 retard debtcattle normgroids, in spite of all of their mental retardation, recognize this as japanese vehicles top the list year after year.

im all for "made in the USA" but i wont be coerced into buying a retarded piece of shit that blows its engine and transmission due to deliberately retarded design choices.

>>28533920
>>28533908
also inb4 fell for it again tier retardation
>IT'S DA CAFE JOOZ!!!!!
>BASED ZOGNALD IS GONNA DE-WEGULATE IT!!!!!

>>28533920
It isn’t solely a function of price, but price is part of the function. Higher price, less competitive.
No one’s coercing you to buy dick, the entire market from top to bottom is distorted by taxes, regulations, and market manipulation from our and other governments. This is just one more piece of the puzzle: finally, something designed to help not hinder American industry, and of course all the worst faggots in the country are up in arms about it.
If congress had passed a 15% VAT on all vehicles not 1/10 of the “HES ORANGE” people complaining would have batted an eye, but because it’s a tax that exempts Americans it must be opposed.

>>28533930
> finally, something designed to help not hinder
in effect, you want to guide the hands of a captive audience (the american economic opportunity zone tax slave wage market participant) toward an inferior product because it happens to manufactured, to some extent, in the USA by americans. this is a worst case scenario implementation of socialism or communism: all of the retardation with none of the social benefits.

>>28533934
>theres no social benefit to encouraging domestic production
You are extremely retarded

>>28533938
it's an OBJECTIVELY INFERIOR PRODUCT, you drooling nigger retard. what utility is there in penalizing the american consumer for not buying a piece of shit product?

>>28533851
To meet demand for the us market. The CR-V is still mainly built in Canada.

>>28533939
You're a hysterical retard assuming all American cars are blowing up before the odometer hits 6 figures. Yes the Japanese deserve credit for bringing in more reliable and fuel efficient cars over 50 years ago and forcing American manufacturers to git gud. No this isn't the 1960s where all the landbarges need replaced within 5 years or 100k miles.

>>28533951
american vehicles are below japanese vehicles in reliability studies.

even before tariffs were enacted, japanese vehicles commanded a price premium. americans happily paid that premium to the extent that japanese vehicles bested american vehicles in terms of annual unit sales.

Nobody is going to buy an American death trap car. Only Amerifats are dumb enough to do that.

>>28533939
Unemployment almost always wounds its victims dignity and threatens the equilibrium of his life. Unemployment is therefore worse than increasing the cost of a superior product, agreeing arguendo.
American cars are better than japscrap though, so really it’s a win win win
Encourage onshoring, generate revenue from retards who still think Toyotas never die, push Americans to superior, American made products

>>28533973
again, this is the worst implementation of socialism/communism imaginable.

Funny how Americans panic over this and casually forget how their country tried to kill off Japanese automobile manufacturer in the 70s/80s/90s with shit like the chicken tax and tariffs as high as 100% for luxury models

>>28533974
>socialism is a 15% consumption tax

>>28533814 (OP)
You WILL buy the truck you don't need and you WILL be happy.

>>28533835
>>28533835
>>28533835
/thread

I'm laughing really
>40% obesity rate
>Lazy
>Want high wages
>Want cheap shit
>Not trained, not in the trade schools anyway
>No supply chain
You have offshored all of the hard and dirty work to the poors and the mexicans so you could be a manager and rake in the cash. Now you are telling me that Americans are lining up for shit manual labor jobs, with none of the skills and a supply chain?
Look, I can understand the idea behind American made and even encourage it. But in typical populist fashion Donnie implemented a drastic measure, pissed off nearly every "ally" the Americans had and worked hard to gain in the last 70 years with 0 planning. This was nothing but a scam and hes pocketing a lot of money.
If he was actually serious about it he would have implemented a gradual plan.
>Encouraging trade school and specialization for manufacturing among the youth with benefits
>Investing in automation and factories for local production
>Invest in r&d and maybe tax cuts for product development
>Assuring that most critical pieces of the supply chain are there
Once you start to actually produce something good again that isnt the PoS that is most American automobiles you can start applying tarrifs and other policies in a surgical and precise method to boost the local industries. American leaders always talk big, but at least in the past they had a vision for a future, plans for the coming 5-10 years. Now? It's just slop, being bought off bt corpos and the only long term planning is sucking off Israel. Don't worry, we Europeans will follow down this path soon enough, in fact we're already halfway there.

>>28533866
>less competitive
lol

>some idiots seriously thought he'd repeal the chicken tax
lol

>>28533970
American cars are safe and dont guzzle gas like they used to
Problem is that they are huge*, expensive, and unreliable

*stereotypical American cars like 3-row crossovers and full size pickups

>>28533980
a tax imposed with the goal of benefiting citizens but failing to do so. (never mind that the tax is regressive and therefore retarded.)

I've bought 3 brand-new AmerKKKan sportscars in the past 4 years, all cash.

They were all poorly built with various issues.

Sure we wanna support our cunt-tree but not at the cost of overpaying for junk. That's just sucking off GM/Ford executives for doing their job poorly.

America simply cannot cumpete. Ray Dalio's book explains how as a society advances, it's people get lazier and more entitled and used to a high standard of living, refuse to do basic work (manufacturing jobs, etc.) and then it will eventually collapse. Tortoise-and-the-hare. China is the hare now, it's obvious.

>>28534093
i bought a 2014 ford focus incelmobile brand new. i traded it in at 40k miles because the POWERSHIT transmission was on the verge of blowing the fuck up.

I've bought 3 brand-new AmerKKKan sportscars in the past 4 years, all cash.

They were all poorly built with various issues.

Sure we wanna support our cunt-tree but not at the cost of overpaying for junk. That's just sucking off GM/Ford executives for doing their job poorly.

America simply cannot cumpete. Ray Dalio's explains how as a society advances, people get lazier and more entitled and used to a high standard of living, refuse to do basic work (manufacturing jobs, etc.) and then it eventually declines. Tortoise-and-the-hare. China is the tortoise now, it's obvious.

>>28533951
They're up to 150k these days, most you can expect from American cars

Japan already caved to the demands and the proof has been posted already. What the fuck are you faggots arguing about?

>>28533998

If American cars are unreliable then why do pickups retain their value so much?


Compare a 5 year old F150 to a 5 year old BMW.

such a low q chang ragebait thread

>>28533890
So buy japanese? Ford and chebby is mexican af bruh. Bro y'all niggas still think it's the 1950s or some shit. I support my niggas
in Kentucky USA (that mean united states of america for all you stupid ass niggas)

>>28534140
>If American cars are unreliable then why do pickups retain their value so much?
because the american consumer is a fucking retard >>28533863 who finances the cost of ownership. pickup trucks in particular are a scam because their margins are considerably higher than crossovers.

America is set to be the only first world country with cars by 2050, even if the ICE sales bans are pushed back a whole decade. Enjoy your jap scrap electrics

>>28533814 (OP)
You voted for this

>>28533951
every single Ford car with an automatic transmission made in the last 15 years blows up before 6 digits. They’re stopped making them because people wised up and stopped buying them. the only car they make now is the mustang.

>>28533970
GM and Ford are pretty competitive right now i think. They are still operating at a huge disadvantage but they are making handsome and capable machines and it seems like the quality gap is starting to converge as toyotas and hondas get shittier every day. I think the age of japan is coming to a close and the age of korea and china is coming. I just hope we can keep our legacy brands thru the ride

>>28534144
Hey nigger, ford and gm both account for 2/3rd of us auto industry jobs and economic activity. They are WAY more beholden to the USA than nip brands. They are at an inherit disadvantage because of this.

>>28533890
You can have it both ways. My wife's cx-50 was made in Alabama

>>28533920
It isn’t deliberate. They are still operating at a huge disadvantage and gm and ford are both very small companies now. They are running like, 4% margin? They are doing the best they can afford to do.
>>28533895
> most popular truck engine in the world has lots of people complaining n about its one weakness
Ok. One (1) percent having issues = a lot more people complaining. Th 6.2 bearing debacle was def gm’s worst fuck up in decades tho.

>>28534338
ford powershift clutch failures
ford 5.0 wet belt oil pump (my pic)
gm 5.3/6.2 cam lifters
gm 10 speed, numerous issues
ram cracked exhaust manifolds
etc.

>>28534355
> wet oil belt
Even honda uses wet belts now. They are quiet and efficient, resilient to harmonic problems. There are reasons to use them, getting the belt chemistry correct was just not easy.
> lifters
Stop calling them cam lifters. They are roller type lifters, not cams. They don’t lift cams. I think the actual issue with them is not that the lifters themselves changed or the afm/dfm system. The actual issue is carbon buildup on intake valves causing them to get stuck sometimes - that acts like a bent pushrod and rotates the lifter which then wipes the lobes. This is definitely on GM for fucking up, the simple solution tho is an intake valve cleaner run from time to time. Ive seen plenty of these lifters exceed 400k miles on the odometer. Can’t help but feel if GM used ford’s double injectors system itd be a non issue. How bad is this problem? Well they have been selling a little over 2 million pushrod v8 every year since 2007. So 36 million engines - youre gonna hear about even the statistically small problems.
> gm 10 speed
One issue, issue is wear in a clutch apply timing solenoid valve. Another statistically uncommon problem, definitely not great - but NexGen is pissed GM won’t but his dumb ass O ring valves from him (lol) so he has made sure to blow it up on social media
> ran cracked exhaust manifolds
First ive heard of this.
Point is, they aren’t doing this on purpose. That wouldn’t make sense. They just can’t afford to do better competing against subsidized Japanese makes, the UAW and us corporate taxes, and a hateful, disloyal government and customer base. Americans continue to fail ourselves by not doing anything ourselves that make Japanese brands good.

>>28534326
chebby is pretty cool I'll give you that but gm is owned by the chinese and ford is gay and also for suckas

>>28534272
See
>>28533835
You retarded piece of shit

>>28534379
GM isn’t owned by the chinese? They own half of saic (that might be ending soon)… chinese actually like american cars so why wouldn’t gm sell there?

America practically invented the automotive industry. The first engine toyota ever made was a copy of a cheby straight six. I think that GM and Ford don’t deserve the intense hatred. They’ve been knocked on their knees. Don’t you want them to succeed? Don’t you want competition in cars? Don’t you think americans should be represented in industries? Why are people so mean to them?

>>28534305
the 6R80 is great, though
the 10R80 on the other hand…

>>28534234
I voted for this, literally. EV cultists deserve to have their heads kicked in

you WILL pay the cuck tax
even your precious used cars will go up in price

>>28534383
>Why are people so mean to them?
you fucking know why don't play dumb

>>28533814 (OP)
I only drive 60 year old American cars. Not my problem.

>>28534389
>EV cultists
ICE are bigger cultists.

>>28534392
I legit don’t. Its a seething hatred for what amounts to a bunch of car part factories trying to make a living.

>>28534392
>australians mismanaged and frittered away their own industry by electing rats and kikes into office and not doing anything about it because they are a culture of ex-convict cucks and bootlickers which even now is being erased by british import multiculti and chinese landgrabbers

>this is america's fault, somehow

>>28533993
the japs have easily dodged it since forever. its not effective at all and doesn't actually do shit.

>>28533814 (OP)
to own the libs, what are you a communist?

>>28533835

this isn't meeting the demands, them slashing prices is basically admitting how much MSRP markup they had been going to markup with this entire time. (At least 15%, apparently)

>>28534048
>failing to do so
Present the figures

Vote for a chomo and
You get chomo shit

>>28533991
PBS leftist paid slop.

>>28533814 (OP)
Buy American, faggot.

Only cars with >80% sourced materials and made in America should be in your mind, if you support America.

>>28534098
Complete and utter bullshit is one thing but the retarded level of chinks trying to shill will always be funny. You couldn't afford a car financed much less outright. My American sports car is solid as a rock over 100k.

>>28534504
gm killed holden anon

>>28534713
I'm not buying your shitty tesla, elon

>>28534726
australian youth are the ones saying you shouldn't buy anything other than FWD japanese cars. they killed holden. GM can't turn the australian populace against their own cars.

>>28534716
LMAO hit a nerve there

>>28534728
Communists like you that hate american need to be killed

I don't take orders from chomos.
>>28534716
>My American sports car is solid as a rock over 100k.
That wasn't even impressive 20-30 years ago. I'd be shocked if any car didn't make it over 100k miles. My last jap sports car had over 280k and I was redlining and doing donuts non-stop, took it to multi-hour track days with over 250k redlining every gear.

>>28534740
Tesla was only propped up because of American socialist policies, dipshit.

>>28534740
>muh communism
Fuck off retard, you don't even know what that word means

>>28534745
yes, a $2000 rebate per car is what props up a billion dollar company.

>>28534745
>Trillion dollar per year gas subsidies
>$100 billion dollar subsidy to ford/gm/chrysler in 2009
Shut the fuck up, god damn commie.

>>28534751
>suddenly socialism is okay when it helps out my favorite brand

>>28534755
End the trillion dollar per year gas subsidy. Damn commies need to be necked.

>>28533814 (OP)
This new Japanese trade agreement was negotiated by Ishiba, the most unpopular Japanese prime minister in history, who kept the entire Diet legislature in the dark, and now he is getting recalled by the LDP party and then a motion of no confidence will be passed, resulting in both a new LDP president and new Japanese prime minister.

Basically, Trump is only mentioning stuff that Ishiba agreed too but it still has no legal effect because Ishiba never signed any trade agreement, the Japanese Diet never voted on the trade agreement, and Ishiba and his cabinet are getting replaced with entirely new people either next week or early August 2025 so Trump will be forced to start trade negotiations with Japan from scratch.

>>28534756
is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? I'm not the "muh commies" retard

>>28534756
That gas subsidy is for making electricity more than it is for gasoline.
Teslas, your home, your air conditioning, the refrigeration for you food, the PC you're using, even 4chans servers - run on burning gas.
Heck, even the roads are made from oil extract.
Don't tell me you still think electricity is free magic energy... We've been over this.

>>28534759
>im not a commie
>trillion dollar per year in gas subsidy from us gov
>hundreds of billions in subsidy from japanese gov for japanese car company
>car companies owned/run by european government
Communist cars.

>>28534760
>commie tries to justify themselves
kek

Sorry commie, im on my mini hydro power station on my property.

>>28534763
I bet.

>>28534740
sick larp dude

>>28534768
Government is free to contract Boeing to carry astronauts to space. Oh wait, they did, and they cant launch astronauts to space.

Government is free to use another satellite company to provide internet to support the national military. Oh wait, they did, they pay other companies more for internet/space but none of the competitor companies provide the service.

>Self-made man.
Chomo and/or chomo supporter.

>>28534775
>>28534768
Gov pays ford/gm/crysler hundreds of billions over the last decade. Chrysler went bankrupt. GM/Ford are still sucking off the gov teets.

>>28534777
Honda/Toyota is government subsidized in Japan.
VW is part german government owned and was created by Nazi germany.

>>28534761
>reading comprehension

>>28534761
>trillion dollars
Why do left wing cultist little kids from reddit insist on making retarded shit up like this?

>>28533814 (OP)
The world economy is about to violently shrink as investment dries up and credit skyrockets into interest rates that most consumers can't even dream of paying off with stagnant wages (Really already here). Said global economy is now in the process of deciding whose jobs get to live and whose jobs get to die in a world where we really don't need three quarters or more of the human race under the current model as anything but consumers, and consumers anywhere outside of the West are quickly becoming untenable to even ship goods to because of rising transportation and labor costs.

The 'orange faggot' is adding tarriffs on a lot of things, its not something personal to Japan or the Auto Industry or whatever your personal cock slurping political point is. The purpose of the exercise is to signal to the world that American foreign policy is changing from a Labor Offshoring model to a Wealth Extraction model where we begin pulling equity from the developing world to pay down America's debts and deport the thirdies to starve in their own home countries.

>>28534813
>a Wealth Extraction model where we begin pulling equity from the developing world to pay down America's debts
Why don't we start with healthcare instead of pissing off the world by threatening our allies with sanctions?
The US is the only country that allows companies to set their own prices, we are very literally paying for the medicine and healthcare of the whole world.
Fix healthcare and drug companies will have to find a way to make profit from every country, not just us.

>>28534824
>Why don't we start with healthcare
Its a sunk cost. Modern Medicine is not meant to fix people, its meant to cover up problems. We fix broken people in the workforce by replacing them with newer, less broken people, who can work harder because they lack that injury and also be paid less because they have less experience. Working as intended.

>We are paying for the medicine and healthcare of the whole world
And the industry development, and the food aid, and the military staffing/logistics, and a ton of other stuff. All that is going away now that the US has to make a hard decision between telling the rest of the world to fuck off and die, or go bankrupt. As they say, needs must.

>>28534824
Why do you retards talk like this? Which allies are you even talking about? Which countries have been loyal to us rather than just taking? Fuck the world.

>>28533863
You failed to mention how every other nation has used tariffs or other back handed tricks to block American products .

>>28533948
They are expanding the two US CR-V plants so they don't have to go through Canada for any assembly.

tariffs are necessary for reshoring production as US pulls out from being the world police and china population dwindles and gets too high paid, but the way cheeto does them is too retarded and the uncertainty has all investors including domestic play the waiting game instead of building anything because you can't calculate the material cost while most low and intermediate supply chain elements are still completely offshore

>America makes itself the most wealthy and powerful nation in history by designing a postwar system that revolves around it, giving it unprecedented say in global affairs, other nations' politics and choice trade
>over the decades america's parasitic upper class continually leeches more and more out of its middle and lower classes, getting them hooked on every drug under the sun, kneecapping education and offshoring their jobs to avoid paying living wages
>americans now blame the rest of the world for their obscene debt, crumbling infrastructure and decaying society rather than the people who made all of this possible
People in other countries don't wake up thinking "oh boy how can I scam America today," they mostly (when they think about us at all) think about how to cope with whatever schizophrenic shitfit we're going to throw next
>inb4 we live in their head rent free
4chan isn't the world. Neither is reddit or twitter.

>>28535097
other nations dont have de facto reserve currency status. of course they need to use tariffs.

>>28533814 (OP)
no new cars worth lusting after stop posting pol topics on other boards nobody cares about jewmerica

>>28534417
Lol no. You unironically think EVs are going to save the planet, literally cultist mentality

>>28535533
That really has nothing to do with the pricing of products

>>28534649
You do realize more money in their vault is essentially what allows them to R&D and produce and sell new sports cars to market (let alone overseas market) right?

>>28533958
Are you giddings? I bought a brand new 2016 Honda Civic for a hair under $18,000 new.

>>28535320
This.

>>28533814 (OP)
rufflemayo Trump's tariffs just further fucked AmerKKKunt car cuntpanies

now that MexiCanada imports at taxed 25%, whilst Japponaise taxed 15%, this means Amerigroids manufacturing in Cartel-land get further fucked

his attempt to protect USgAy actually rear-flamed

kek