Thread 28540342

In what year will the last daily-driven 1997 Toyota Corolla finally disappear off of American roads?

>>28540342 (OP)
2097 (tentative estimate)

>>28540342 (OP)
2197 (generous estimate)

>>28540342 (OP)
model Ts still exist and are relatively cheap to buy and run

I think these fuckers will be running to the next century

the day jeets stop existing

>>28540781
2297 (realistic estimate)

>>28540342 (OP)
I sold my 2000 rolla 5 speed at 327,000mi
That little bitch still got 40mph+ highway.
Compression test:
201psi
202psi
205psi
200psi
How it that even possible?
That's what people recorded new in 1999.

>>28540798
>model Ts still exist
african american, nobody is daily driving a heckin' model t

I mean as a regularly used car.

>>28540342 (OP)
there's an elderly man that drives a 1985 toyota corolla in my area that was in near perfect condition for it's 40 years of existence

I saw it parked outside the best bodyshop in the area, which is oddly Hilbert Wisconsin.
the left rear quarter is a little caved in and the taillight is broken, quarter panel is wrinkled.
but close to the Sargento cheese factory on the edge of town is a guy that is an absolute magician in bodywork, at any one time he has multiple firebirds, a charger, multiple amc javelins, and a Honda prelude.

>>28541856
That engine was rebuilt at 300k

that's my dd lmao, not as long as i am alive

>>28541981
56k miles 5sp, it's not going anywhere see pic
>>28541856
those are the oil burning, aluminum head 1zz-fe. the 97 had the bulletproof 4a-fe or 7a-fe

>>28542025
not sure why the pic was so shitty, here's another

>>28540342 (OP)
recently ive found myself smiling when i see a 90s camry. I dont know if its a combination of being older or realising that those cars are 25-35 years old now but its like seeing the occassional liftback camry still scooting around 10 years ago as a normal, boring everyday car. Theres going to come a day where theyre not going to be around anymore and id like to appreciate their last years as dailies while i see them but just like other common cars of other decades, they're going to one day just vanish and you wont even notice. Its like realising that VN commodores or EA Falcons just aren't a common sight anymore

>>28542025
They eventually fixed the 1zz, they're not all bad.

>>28542036
ya, the 2000 was the first year of vvt and was especially notorious as an oil burner. didn't phrase it well but my point was that if a "shit" 1zz could hit 300k and run like a top with minimal maintenance, the bulletproof 4a/7a could go forever

>>28542035
move out to canberra if you want to see old cars
>no rust because inland
>tons of old cunts
>>28542025
>>28542028
why the fuck does the american model have a huge ugly chin?

>>28540342 (OP)
i don't know, but the last daily-driven 1998 toyota corolla will not cease to exist until i die. then it and the half empty oil jug i was using to top it off have to be pried from my cold, dead hands.
>>28541856
love to hear it. why'd you sell it : (
>>28542025
very nice anon. at 56k that thing has a long and promising life ahead of it.

>>28541930
>african american, nobody is daily driving a heckin' model t

It's funny how call me a nigger without comprehending the implication of my statement

fucking retard

>>28542277
5mph bumper, consumer protection lobbies pushed law thru in the 70s that all us sold cars needed to withstand a 5mph collision without damage. was withdrawn in the early 2000s when it was realized that that rigidity was passed to the vehicle occupant. now we have aluminum can cars that crumple to nothing in the smallest collisions

>>28540342 (OP)
do they have any electronic control modules?
If computer controls the engine then the car has around 35-40yo lifespan.

First LS400s are dieing right now. Not by rust, not my mechanic issues, but by computers and capacitors. Dead capacitor wouldn't be a problem but they also fry all electronics around and computer gets killed. You can change the unit but another one may also die soon.

Only solution is fixing the capacitors before ECU gets fried. Or replacing with some aldruino but that's 101% autism level

>>28542431
the capacitors on my 1996 corolla leaked and wrecked the PCB so i bought a second hand one for $50 and got straight back on the road

>>28542431
>>28542960
Did car parts ever suffer from the chink capacitor plague the way computers and various household electronics did?
I mean, electrolytics tend to go bad eventually, but they might have a lifetime measured in decades if they don't run too hot and the circuit was designed with plenty of safety margin. Those plague caps from around 2000 could go bad in a couple of years.

>>28542983
i think it's just an age and environment issue. toyota used all nichicon capacitors and it takes a long ass time for them to actually quit

>>28540342 (OP)
>Theres going to come a day where theyre not going to be around anymore and id like to appreciate their last years as dailies
My thoughts exactly. I recently bought an XV10 wagon as a daily. Makes me smile when I see it next to all the cuckovers and eggshits in the parking lot.
Perhaps 3d printing will be advanced and cheap enough in the future that you can copy and print everything you need. One can only hope.

>>28543145
>>28542035

>>28540342 (OP)
>t. OP

Toyotas are awful shitboxes.

>>28542983
>Did car parts ever suffer from the chink capacitor plague the way computers and various household electronics did?
There are cars that did, but a lot of them used Japanese instead of Chinese and Taiwanese caps while they were busy trying to steal IP from each other.

>>28542431
It's common on the 90s beaner civics too. Just resolder the shit, get a junkyard replacement or just buy a cheap standalone (speeduino and whatnot).
They're not hard cars to fix, even if DA HECKIN COMPOOTOR goes to shit it's an afternoon solder job, provided you're not some lead poisoned boomer who uses fucking wirenuts in his engine harness.

>28543258
your boyhole is an awful shitbox lmao

>>28541930
The difference in general usability between a Model T and a 1997 Carolla is enormous.

The difference in general usability between a 1997 Carolla and a 2025 Carolla is negligible.

Until some massive legal paradigm shift happens (anti-ICE legislation, mandatory self driving bullshit, etc) you will be able to use a '97 Carolla to get to and from work/the grocery store/etc just the same as anyone with a brand new car can, you just won't have as many safety features or as much comfort.

>>28544057
Toyota hates its customers.

>>28543145
i daily my xv10 since 2021 and it has tons of issues, from wiring problems such as wires literally cracking from heat to sensors going bad, electric windows fail, rust everywhere, legendary problems with rear subframe, rubber parts like coolant pipes crack, both radiators for coolant and for AC cracked. I literally lost a wheel once when 3 arms rusted from inside out without showing any signs of critical failure

eastern europe with salty winters and hot summers is a nightmare for any car

worst of all is toyota middle finger for parts backup, if you ask their dealer for any part older than 15yo they gonna throw you an extraorbitant price that is close to worth of your car

and replacement parts quality is literal dogshit since everything got migrated to india or some other south asian shithole

>>28543169
>bad case of muuundays

>>28544234
Good to know all of this, thanks for writing it down. the window motors sound tired in mine and it leaks some coolant from where the hose connects to the radiator too. I am scared that it will rust away in the long winters, gonna wash it regularly underneath to try and prevent it as much as possible. lucky for me the front subframe and lower control arms have recently been replaced.

>>28544182
COROLLA

>>28544234
oz may be pozzed but man does it feel fan-fucking-tastic not having to deal with rust on a regular basis.
the 96 camry i bought from some older guy in a small country town had none of the kinds of problems of your severity

>>28544234
true, dailying an old car isn't always sunshine and rainbows when you live in a place that salts their roads, even something renowned for reliability. since i've gotten my corolla a little over a year ago i've had to do plug wires, ball joints, some motor mounts and a cv axle. none of which actually "failed", but were all on their way out thanks to the rubber falling apart. worst part is when you go to watch a youtube video of the job and the guy has a 2 post lift and impact, just sliding all the bolts off like butter meanwhile i can't seem to touch anything without having to grab a breaker bar, angle grinder, torch, or drill.

on the bright side, someone was taking really good care of the undercarriage. somehow there isn't any rust on the subframe even after 27 michigan winters, so i plan on keeping that up.

>>28545588
>27 michigan winters
Anon that's like a 99% percentile salt spray environment. Even when I lived there, it wasn't uncommon for mechanics to just turn your car away after 200,000 miles in the Detroit area lmao.

Soak shit in liquid wrench like a week before you want to do any job and invest in a 500 ftlb+_impact gun and an air hammer/chisel. Breaker bars are pointless with seized shit.

>>28545616
>Anon that's like a 99% percentile salt spray environment. Even when I lived there, it wasn't uncommon for mechanics to just turn your car away after 200,000 miles in the Detroit area lmao.
you're not wrong, i think if asked a mechanic to any of the stuff i've done lately they would probably just give me a fuckoff price or laugh, 95% of the what i see on the road in this area is 2010 or newer for that reason. i didn't even mention all the bodywork and exhaust work i've done on this thing but i'm sure it's exceeded the value of the car if someone were to factor in labor.
>>28545616
>Soak shit in liquid wrench like a week before you want to do any job and invest in a 500 ftlb+_impact gun and an air hammer/chisel. Breaker bars are pointless with seized shit.
i do usually soak things in liquid wrench for a day or 2 but after last night's incident i think i'm gonna start waiting a week. a cocksucking carriage nut broke off from inside the unibody when i was lowering the subframe to do the motor mount lol. so i found myself grinding the head of the bolt off with an angle grinder, and plan on welding a washer back on tomorrow to hold it on for the forseable future... I do have an oxy torch laying around which is *usually* enough to deal with shit like that unless there is plastic involved, but you're right, i really need to stop being a poorfag get myself a big boy impact at this point. this is insanity.

>>28540342 (OP)
With each sale a dumber and dumber person buys it, because it's a poorer and poorer person. They won't maintain it properly or will crash and total it. The lower the value the easier it is to total as well, less damage can still be a total loss where it would be more expensive than the value of the car to repair it. This is how most cars die.

>>28545674
kek breaking off a control arm/subframe stud is one of my worst fears wrenching aside from getting crushed. For real though impact reduces a ton of risk as the vibrations loosen everything up: applying straight torque on virgin rust is what tends to cause the nightmares.

You don't even need to not be a poorfag. Just get a corded 1/2" drive impact. I don't think I could have gotten all the bushings done in my car without a bigboi impact.

>>28540342 (OP)
2025
Wish me luck bros, this will be a hell of a campaign

>>28540342 (OP)
These went extinct here in the rust belt decades ago. Same story with the Accords of this era. You might see one a month being driven by a grandma but that's about it. Even the third gen 4 Runners here are starting to disappear. I used to see 20+ a day 10 years ago but now it's usually less than 5 a day. Rust is a bitch.

>>28540342 (OP)
Probably sometime in the 2040s or 2050s. I imagine that ICE cars will be made illegal, or entirely impractical to use (gasoline is less available, parts are harder to find, etc) in the future.

>>28545588
>sliding all the bolts off like butter
Even in the south I have to break out the liquid wrench, propane torch, and breaker bar for chassis/suspension bolts after just a few tens of thousands of miles of use. You poor northern bastard.

>>28547248
>For real though impact reduces a ton of risk as the vibrations loosen everything up
good to know, that explains why it always looks so easy. i honestly thought the shock of it all might just make things snap, but i guess it's the opposite. thinking back, when the weld nut broke loose, it looked like there was some blue loctite on the other subframe bolts when they came off. might've forgot to torch the one that broke to loosen that loctite up (oops) so it may have been my fault after all. nevertheless, i got it fixed! ended up jacking it up and putting the weight of the entire car on the area of the subframe where i grinded the bolt, so that the mating surface between the subframe and the body was tight, then welding a washer to the bolt head which was luckily sticking out and still connected to the weld nut. that wasn't tight enough so i fucking cut a washer in half and jammed that underneath the first washer with a hammer, then welded it, then epoxied it for good measure. it's not perfect but this is the reality of things in the rust belt. honestly feels like a miracle that i got it all back together and that it's TIGHT. if that bolt had snapped i'm not sure if i'd be capable of fixing it.
>>28547273
i guess there has to be some sort of pay off for not having to deal with all that heat