Why dont americans like sedans anymore?

>>28551833 (OP)
I don't know but it makes me sad. My daily is a 2011 chevy impala and I love how big the trunk is. I wanted to upgrade to an avalon after driving one as a rental and was so sad to learn they stopped selling them in the US after 2022.

>>28551833 (OP)
They are way too dangerous to drive. We are the most valuable people in the world and we need safety

>>28551833 (OP)
Because flawed CAFE regulations gave manufacturers an excuse to prioritize ever larger trucks and SUVs, so that's all that's pushed in America. Any company that claims they're just "reacting to the market" by discontinuing reasonably sized cars is conveniently leaving out the way they've been manipulating that market for decades.

>>28551852
europe doesn't have CAFE, so how do you explain this>>28551837 ?

>>28551848
From yourself? Talk about lack of driving skills.

>>28551855
The rise of the internet and the proliferation of American media to audiences it was never intended to reach.

>>28551833 (OP)
modern CUVs get the same mpg yet have advantages like higher seating position and easier/more flexible storage.

>>28551865
>europeans realized american culture is superior, and so lost all ability to think for themselves
your words not mine.

>>28551855
>hmm we already have the tooling and spent the money on R&D for this model
>ooh a market that lets us sell the same model largely unchanged?
>let's spend more money into making a specific platform just for this market.

>>28551873
You are not immune to propaganda. No one is.

>>28551833 (OP)
Crossovers made sedans obsolete.

>>28551893
Aren't cuckovers objectively shit at driving and handling.

>>28551979
the very demanding driving and handling you experience in gridlock traffic? no.

>>28551833 (OP)
A trunk is objectively more shit for most people's day to day life than a hatch's cargo area. That said, my daily is a wagon instead of a crossover because I hate sitting up high and the high center of gravity that comes with it.

>>28551833 (OP)
With rise in crime, and relative uncertainty about the future, people crave perceived safety. SUVs and trucks are large, aggressive, tank like, and literally put you above those around you. Women are especially susceptible to that kind of primal need to feel safe and men are susceptible to the need to feel superior. I think you'll find with all the "cultural enrichment" that SUV sales have increased across Europe as well. If western civilization ever recovers from its suicide attempt, we'll likely see a rise in sedan, coupe, and convertible sales again.

>>28551833 (OP)
Less room for poop storage. Where do I put my extra tanks of diarrhea in this small sedan? Not very manly, my extra poop would slosh all over after each driving meal.

>>28551833 (OP)
Our roads are increasingly third world tier and sedans don't handle them well.

t. daily drive a sedan.

>>28552030
sedans and coupes have declined significantly in Japan, too. none of their kei car shit comes in sedan form, and that's practically all they buy. Japan is as high trust and low crime as a society gets.

time for another theory.

>>28552049
Different factors can affect different parts of the world. What I said may be true for the US and Europe, but not Japan, hence why I focused on western society. Japanese sales are more likely due to a lack of disposable income, and wanting an "everything" car, usually a hatchback. They also likely feel some subconscious need for safety due to rising tensions with surrounding Russia, China, and North Korea, as well as overworking and anxiety about the economy. Fear can be caused by a multitude of things, rape and murder by migrants is just an obvious example.

>>28551852
>muh cafe regulations
People liked hatchbacks and station wagons
Thus the crossover was born
Raised so allow easier access to items inside of the vehicle
I dont know why anyone would get so fucking butthurt about the shape of a vehicle
Its insane

Crossovers and small suvs are just more practical. I have a year old son and putting him in the car seat of my Santa Fe is way easier than in my wife’s Corolla. Dont have to bend over. No concern of bumping the babies head. The baby bag can fit on the floor so it doesn’t trigger the annoying as fuck seat belt alert. Stroller, wagon, electric jeep all fit in the back easily. We can put the dog in the back and don’t have to worry about fur on the seats. They’re lame but they’re comfy and that’s what most people need. My only major complaint is the start/stop gremlin shit.

>>28552061
drink your cow piss and shut up ranjeesh

>>28552069
Whiter than you pal, but I guess that's what I get for trying to interact with anyone at more than a third grade fucking reading level.

>>28552066
>I dont know why anyone would get so fucking butthurt about the shape of a vehicle
they are hideously FUCKING UGLY
they are ANNOYING TO DRIVE AROUND because you can't see over or under them, at least you can see through the undercarriage of a lifted pickup.
they are majorly owned by IRRESPONSIBLE, LACKADAISICAL DRIVERS who DON'T CARE IF THEY DAMAGE IT and also DON'T CARE IF THEY HURT YOU IN THE PROCESS

owning an suv (esp. korean) says a lot about the driver, primarily that they are a open and present danger to everyone else on the road because they basically lack impulse control or critical thinking skills. they are selfish and single-minded. traditionally a sports car is the car for the driver whose ego needs stroking but nowadays sports cars are either owned by enthusiasts or collectors whose egos need no boosting. SUVs are owned by submissives with weak personalities, so they buy a car that looks "stronger" than a camry but not too "manly" like a pickup truck rather than just buying the camry because it's just as practical and nicer to drive or buying the truck because they have a genuine use case for it.

>>28552088
>they are hideously FUCKING UGLY
So are minivans, so why do you keep shilling for them?
>you can't see over them
manlet problems
>can't see under them
Same thing in a sedan
>reddit tier freudian psychology evaluation of suv drivers
go back

>>28552074
>Whiter than you pal
that is actually physically impossible
i appear as a biblically accurate angel to anyone who was born south of 30 deg latitude

>>28551855
>hmm euros prefer normal cars
>but we already produce fuck tons of bloated and lifted hatchback for america
>shall we make a car for euros?
>fuck no, they aren't anywhere near the amount of revenue we get from america
>just retool the shit to make it somewhat more appealing to the euros

>>28552265
embarrassing cope.

>>28552268
What part of it is cope?
The part about euros being spineless or that a car manufacturer is not going to make special models for a low volume market?
Time and time again, when america says jump you ask how high.

Sedans are supremely comfy and also look better on the road. Families in the 90's had no issues to make due with sedans. Unfortunately it's a case of valuemaxxing your car. Sedans aren't cheaper than SUVs despite being "lesser" cars. If they were, they would still be popular.

>>28552268
why would a business that has the goal of making as much money as possible do something that would result in the exact opposite?

>>28552287
>Families in the 90's had no issues to make due with sedans
Even back then SUV's like the Suburban were extremely popular. Pickups were becoming more car like that that point as well.

>>28551833 (OP)
Americans are convinced (by the media) that sedans are either not as safe as larger vehicles in a crash (crash test results notwithstanding) or too impractical, so they will either get a crossover or a hatchback, but not everybody is going to get a crossover or hatchback, due to reasons I’m not going to elaborate on – I'm just giving you the short, simple answer for why most Americans are avoiding sedans.

Because they're stupid

>>28551855
Because the false sense of security and the superiority complex over the low car peasants is a universal feeling, be it in a xboxhueg american truck with its own gravitational field or in a compact lifted euro cuckover that's shorter than my EK Civic

>>28551837
Paris is so right about banning SUVs
Total Twingo Victory

white man: sedan, wagon, coupe
brown sludge: cuckover, SUV

>>28551833 (OP)
Too many fat Americans.

>>28551979
Most people that actually buy new cars do not give a shit about "handling". Also, most CUVs are not that bad in terms of ride/gas mileage/comfort etc. They're ok. Which is more than enough for most normies.

>>28552452
Most people who but cuckovers also have to deal with the worse fuel economy, interior space, performance - hell, literally every achievable metric is sacrificed for "durr wan be high"

Ban crossovers.

>>28552457
>worse fuel economy
To a negligible degree, especially on a hybrid.
>interior space
Actually better on a CUV vs a sedan,
>performance
They're commuter cars. The buyers don't care about "performance" and rightfully so.

>>28552434
Here's your white man's modern wagon.

>>28552460
I'm talking more comparing to the equivalent hatch. A great example is a corolla cross vs a normal corolla, there's no reason to go the cuckover aside from you wanting to sit high

If you don't want a sedan, fine, buy a normal hatch then?

>>28552460
>interior space
>Actually better on a CUV vs a sedan
I have 4 cars at home, a 1997 Civic sedan, 2005 Seat Ibiza subcompact, 2018 Peugeot 2008 and a 2020 Hyundai Kona, both CUVs. Ordered by interior space they go:

Civic > Ibiza > Kona > 2008

You can maybe set the Civic aside since its one segment up on all the others, but modern CUVs having less interior space than a fucking 20 year old Ibiza is inexcusable. Hell, the Peugeot itself is almost as long as the Civic, and it's so badly laid out that it only beats the shorter Kona on boot space, it loses everywhere else.

>>28552465
>gee I wonder why people choose slightly raised versions nowadays

>>28552479
*2020 Peugeot 2008 and a 2018 Hyundai Kona

Got them both mixed up, but the point still stands

>>28551855
You truly underestimate the amount of USA-worshipping that takes place here in Europe.

>>28552488
Where are all the V8s and half-tons then? Why do they tax tree food instead?

>>28552488
We what?

>>28552492
>Where are all the V8s and half-tons then?
Imitating the USA doesn't mean they can afford the same waste of gasoline. Oil wells don't appear out of nowhere.
>Why do they tax tree food instead?
The fuck are you talking about.
>>28552496
SUVs and crossovers don't get the same regulatory exceptions as in the USA. Here buying a bigger vehicle is 100% a worse financial deal, but they do it anyway because they're fully slurped the american nigger "big SUV = big status". Why? Because they're used to aping the USA. Look pic related as an example.

>>28552430
Based.

>>28552504
The Euros will always be jealous of the abundance of V8s over here. Cheap V8s, expensive V8s, everything in between.

>>28552504
>Imitating the USA doesn't mean they can afford the same waste of gasoline.
More like they can barely afford taxes, which are more than half of the retail price of gas, whereas in the US it's about 15-20%
>Oil wells don't appear out of nowhere.
They own plenty.
>The fuck are you talking about.
They tax cars, fuel and lots of other things based on (((carbon dioxide emissions)))

>>28552504
>they're fully slurped the american nigger "big SUV = big status". Why? Because they're used to aping the USA

well you basically do need to be rich/of status to have a big SUV in yurop because of (((taxes))).

>>28552507
>cylinder count fetishism
Okay no point in answering. Say hell to the casting-couch-Mercedes for me.
>>28552512
>More like they can barely afford taxes, which are more than half of the retail price of gas, whereas in the US it's about 15-20%
And why do you think that is? Because all oil is imported.
>They own plenty.
Look up domestic production idiot.
>(((carbon dioxide emissions)))
False flag or genuine profound mental retardation. Your call.

>>28552513
>well you basically do need to be rich/of status to have a big SUV in yurop because of (((taxes))).
A luxury sedan or sports car with a big engine will always project more status than a fucking cuckover or cheap SUV.

>>28552519
> luxury sedan or sports car with a big engine
Guess what that means in Europe. Spoiler: more taxes.

>>28552517
>And why do you think that is?
Because European bureaucrats and their cronies need lots of money? I mean where do these fees and taxes paid to the governments eventually go to...

>>28552525
>Guess what that means in Europe. Spoiler: more taxes.
Yes. Yes of course. That was my point. What the fuck are you talking about? Some nigger "how do I project status while paying the minimum tax possible"? Of course projecting status means driving the most expensive, unaffordable car possible. Hence my earlier pic of a Ferrari 250. Goddamn it's like I'm talking to a toddler.

>>28552479
>Civic > Ibiza > Kona > 2008
It's a function of the model year much more than it is that of the form factor. A 2020 Civic will likely have less interior space that a CUV of the same price class and model year.
An older compact car is more spacious because the manufacturers weren't as constrained by safety and emissions regulations (but you're also like 20x more likely to die if you ever get into a crash in one).

>>28552527
>Because European bureaucrats and their cronies need lots of money? I mean where do these fees and taxes paid to the governments eventually go to...
Okay kiddo let's drop the complex subjects for now, and focus on the relationship between car, cost of ownership and status.

>>28552528
So let me get this straight, Europeans worship USA by buying stuff that forces them to pay more taxes to their govts? Wasn't the whole idea behind the US to pay less taxes to Eurofags?

>>28552532
>So let me get this straight, Europeans worship USA by buying stuff that forces them to pay more taxes to their govts?
Yes. They imitate the "business big shot = big SUV" without even being aware of the "section 179 deduction" that made it happen. They just go "it happens like this in the US so it's what's cool".
>Wasn't the whole idea behind the US to pay less taxes to Eurofags?
Heard something about puritans and quakers fleeing persecution.

>>28552535
We don't think about you at all

>>28552541
Who's "we"? It's obvious I'm european you utterly retarded monkey.

>>28552542
>They imitate the "business big shot = big SUV" without even being aware of the "section 179 deduction" that made it happen.
>They just go "it happens like this in the US so it's what's cool".
>They
Nice try

>>28552535
So I ask again, where are all the Escalades, RAMs and so in in Europe? Why do they drive undersized cuckovers from Mercedes or Audi and Hiluxes instead? You can't be as cool as an American without a proper American car, this is /o/ for fucks sake.

>>28552544
I bet he's Jewish

>>28552544
>>28552547
Can't you fucking apes even look at a linked picture? If you subhumans had any fucking capacity for initiative and critical thought you would've easily guessed what country I'm from. Yes I'm from western Europe, and though my country doesn't suck as much US cock as the slavs do (with Poland as absolute throating champions), I'm still baffled to see how much american aping goes on here. Just last thursday I've seen the Ferrari/Maserati dealership near work also sells huge RAM trucks. Which means some faggots are so brainwashed by the "big truck = big goy" shit that they're ready to pay supercar money to larp as Texans.

>>28552545
>where are all the Escalades, RAMs and so in in Europe
The actual american SUVs are still rare, since they cost an absolute fortune after taxes. But faggots are buying small-engined cuckovers/SUVs like pic related in droves. They're imitating americans, but within the limits of their means.

>>28552553
Mate you were caught switching from "we" to "they" mid argument. Just take the L and fuck off.

>>28552553
> at a linked picture
A what?
> you would've easily guessed what country I'm from
Why would we want to guess?
> as the slavs do (with Poland as absolute throating champions)
Sounds like you're jelly of how dangerously (by Euro standards) based these "subhuman" slavs are.
>the Ferrari/Maserati dealership near work also sells huge RAM trucks
This says a lot both about so-called Italian car industry and US superiority. I mean it's the fucking Chrysler...
>they're ready to pay supercar money to larp as Texans.
Don't Polacks have less retarded taxes because they don't have as much imported shitskins as you westerners have to feed? I heard lots of imports happen through Poland, cars get their first EU registration there and then go to other member states.

>>28552556
>Mate you were caught switching from "we" to "they" mid argument.
Ah, just wanted to distance myself from the americock gobblers. Like, I personally don't admire americans.
>Just take the L and fuck off.
Make an argument faggot. You're just sounding like a retard, or a slav.

>>28552566
>A what?
The pictures next to my posts you idiot.
>Why would we want to guess?
You were doubting I was european. But I guess an NPC like you is incapable of looking for hints in an anon's message about where he might be from.
>Sounds like you're jelly of how dangerously (by Euro standards) based these "subhuman" slavs are.
Okay if you're a slav just say so, so we can end this. I'm not talking to a fucking pole.
>This says a lot both about so-called Italian car industry and US superiority. I mean it's the fucking Chrysler...
That's just a matter of consumer taste. Yes the RAM is garbage, but it's AMERICAN, absolutely fuckhuge, sits two meters high and isn't a supercar. So of course a rich faggot who wants to show off will find it easier to drive and thus more appealing.
>Don't Polacks have less retarded taxes because they don't have as much imported shitskins as you westerners have to feed? I heard lots of imports happen through Poland, cars get their first EU registration there and then go to other member states.
They have more lax regulation yes. They're also the US' primary influence relay inside the EU. But this isn't /o/-related.

Place your bets anons. Burger falseflagging, Jew, or Saar?

>>28552554
So let me get this absolutely straight.
You're saying Euros don't worship the US by buying American cars and trucks, because those are too expensive in Europe.
Euros don't worship the US by getting tax benefits like Americans do either, because Eurodumbs don't get tax benefits for the cars they buy as a part of this "USA-worshipping".
But you're saying that buying a more expensive local car to show off is an exclusively American thing to do?

SUVs are a gay fad from the older generations that will be forgotten just like minivans and station wagons were. This thread really has shown its age.
>t.zoomie that interacts with the few zoomers that have the finances to buy their own cars

>>28552452
Most SUVs in EU are just slightly taller/longer hatchbacks with a slightly higher suspension.

>>28552579
>The pictures next to my posts you idiot.
You must be really new here or on the Internet in general. Links and attachments are different things.
>You were doubting I was european.
So? Posting a hand or a nose would be a much better proof than even a EU ID, they give those to almost anyone these days.
>RAM ... isn't a supercar
But it basically is "super" by Euro standards, you've said that yourself. Even the dealerships have to adjust to this reality.
>They have more lax regulation yes. They're also the US' primary influence relay inside the EU. But this isn't /o/-related.
Why would anyone call personal vehicle-related regulations not /o/-related? What are you trying to imply here?

>>28552582
>burger larping as a yuro
>shitskin
Those aren't mutually exclusive, you know?

>>28552601
All of the above

>>28552583
>So let me get this absolutely straight.
Good idea.
>You're saying Euros don't worship the US by buying American cars and trucks, because those are too expensive in Europe.
Yes, though they often wish they could.
>Euros don't worship the US by getting tax benefits like Americans do either, because Eurodumbs don't get tax benefits for the cars they buy as a part of this "USA-worshipping".
Yes. Businesses here can't buy a Range Rover or a G-class and claim it as a deductible.
>But you're saying that buying a more expensive local car to show off is an exclusively American thing to do?
Nope, not simply "more expensive". For ages the de-facto status car here was a german sedan, either BMW or Mercedes. To the point our local manufacturers failed several times in trying to compete. But this shift from "I'm rich so I'll buy luxury sedan, a Mercedes or pic related if I can afford it, or a Citroen or Peugeot if I can't afford the formers" to "I'll buy a big SUV or truck, a Range Rover or a F150 if I can, else I'll settle for some Renault Kadjar or other shit". And this influence on tastes the US has here is by no means new. Hence the singer's CD I posted earlier: this guy made a whole career out of copying Johnny Cash.

>>28552603
Absolute schizo take.
>>28552582
My bet is still on hand-rubbers, they have it in their genes.

>>28552597
>You must be really new here or on the Internet in general. Links and attachments are different things.
Been here since 2010. Make what you want of it.
>So? Posting a hand or a nose would be a much better proof than even a EU ID, they give those to almost anyone these days.
If you still haven't guessed I was french you're a simpleton.
>But it basically is "super" by Euro standards, you've said that yourself. Even the dealerships have to adjust to this reality.
Then what was your point? Obviously the RAM isn't as well made as a Ferrari.
>Why would anyone call personal vehicle-related regulations not /o/-related?
Was thinking of non vehicle-related geopolitics. All in all a pretty empty response.

>>28552611
>Absolute schizo take.
Argument not found. You're just being a fucking retard, or a slav who has no idea about the culture here in western Europe. So let's get this straight: are you, yes or no, a slav? Do you, yes or no, reside east of the Austrian border?
>My bet is still on hand-rubbers, they have it in their genes.
I'm not a kike you fucking retard. Can't believe just how dumb you are.

>>28552616

>>28552582 quoted no one. How would you know it's about you then?

>>28551833 (OP)
I guess I'll give the non-troll answer.
People replaced the sedan with the crossover/suv because the ride height is higher which improves visibility. The ground clearance is higher and people think you can't take a sedan on gravel roads even though you can. SUVs often have 4wd and people are tards who can't drive in the snow and think 4wd will magically give them that skill now. It's easier to store more stuff and larger stuff in the back of an suv.
At least, that's the answer for America. I don't know why Euros buy them, but I would guess it's because of jealousy and a "keeping up with the Jones" mentality.

>>28552612
>If you still haven't guessed I was french you're a simpleton.
Yeah, a convenient excuse for your nose being shaped funny.
>Obviously the RAM isn't as well made as a Ferrari.
Idk I went to Italy and saw how they (and some of their local competitors) assemble their cars and that happened to be the biggest turnoff for Italian cars for me, I had been a big fan since childhood. Never been to Chrysler factories, have little experience with their products (I'm more of a GM guy and we usually see those as inferior even to Ford) but I guess those two are comparable.
>Was thinking of non vehicle-related geopolitics.
Surely you're thinking about the Americans too much. Not healthy.

>>28552621
>How would you know it's about you then?
Because I'm able to gather other clues to guess it's the same anon I've been replying to, and because this kind of faggy "answer without linking the post" shit has been sadly more and more common.
>>28552623
Alternative explanation: it's because they're exempt from CAFE regulation and are more profitable to manufacturers, so the marketing focuses on them, creating demand client-side.

>>28552627
>Yeah, a convenient excuse for your nose being shaped funny.
Also had my nose broken practicing boxing, if my nose interests you that much. On the other hand you've been suspiciously silent about your own origin.
>I guess those two are comparable.
Well even if the build quality was comparable, supercars used to be considered much more prestigious.
>Surely you're thinking about the Americans too much. Not healthy.
The one time our government refused to blindly follow US' orders, there was a big shitshow about "freedom fries". Our two main geopolitical worries are the germans and the americans.

>>28552623
>people think you can't take a sedan on gravel roads even though you can
Yeah, if you are okay with scratching or breaking low-hanging painted plastic parts or even damaging the unprotected powertrain (having sumps made of plastic is not uncommon today). Tell me, how many regular cars have skid plates at least as an option? The cuckover I bought had not one but two OEM skid plates available for it.

>>28552634
>supercars used to be considered much more prestigious
Yeah, past tense. Damn Poles buying RAMs instead of Ferraris to show off.
>Our two main geopolitical worries are the germans and the americans.
What about your own government? Or do you consider yourself a part of it?

>>28551833 (OP)
Because we're trashy morons

>>28552643
>still no answer to my question
Well Oleg?

>>28552639
My first two cars were both sedans. My current car is a hatchback. All three I've owned for a combined 15+ years and never once broke or scratched anything while driving on gravel roads.
>I need skidplates and a 6" lift to drive down this basic bitch gravel road
Maybe you're just a retard and a shitty driver if you're constantly breaking stuff on your vehicles. Have you thought about that?

why are these autists raging so hard about a subject that can simply be explained as being of the same reason everything else is getting worse… the economy is in the gutters and disposable income only shrinks by the day, nobody has the money to buy anything that isn’t the most practical vehicle for all circumstances. it’s as simple as that. notice how they still produce coupes and convertible for the ultra rich?

>>28552654
You have to wait til I stop to enjoy that big fat american ram with 8 balls in V-configuration. You frogs don't have anything like that, hope you understand.

>>28552658
>nobody has the money to buy anything that isn’t the most practical vehicle for all circumstances. it’s as simple as that.
By your argument people would be flocking to small inexpensive fuel-sipping hatchbacks. Just like during all the previous major economic downturns. But weirdly we're not seeing the most growing market share going to the modern equivalent of pic related.

>>28552655
>All three I've owned for a combined 15+ years and never once broke or scratched anything while driving on gravel roads.
Do you think that's something good? It means you get scared easily and don't even try to touch the boundaries of what your vehicle is capable of. Because touching sometimes leaves marks.
>I need skidplates and a 6" lift to drive down this basic bitch gravel road
Didn't say that. I need a vehicle that won't leave me stranded because there was an unusually big rock on the "road" or some lump of dirt was actually a rock. I also don't like to do/pay for body repairs if I can avoid that, I don't need stylish "aero" bumpers that became the standard for some reason.
>Maybe you're just a retard and a shitty driver if you're constantly breaking stuff on your vehicles. Have you thought about that?
I don't, but I want to spend less time caring for my vehicle (including crawling over or finding a way around the tiniest obstacles) and more time actually driving places if I can help that.

>>28552671
>see big rock
>drive around it
I can see how this would be difficult for room temperature IQ mouth breathers like yourself.

>>28552671
>the NPC urge to come up with scenarii to justify consooming to the MAXX

>>28552684
>see big rock
>drive around it
>there's even a bigger rock there
I mean there's usually a reason the road is right here and not to the left or to the right.

>>28552691
Yeah, I consoomed a $50 skid plate and I would happily consume normal bumpers instead of pseudo-sporty ones or 60%+ sidewall tires instead of 45%. Such an NPC for not wanting to buy a thing called modern car.

>>28552696
>Such an NPC for not wanting to buy a thing called modern car.
You bought a cuckover. You go straight into the highest tier of NPC.

>>28552702
I also bought a ragtop convertible. What does that make me?

>>28552707
Goddamn you sure love buying cars you faggot.

>>28552693
Oh yeah? Is there usually a lot of gravel roads running right between granite cliffs and only just barely wide enough for one vehicle in your area?
You know, maybe I was wrong. I'd get a cuckover with a skid plate too if I lived somewhere with that kind of bizarre geography combined with magic pebbles that disintegrate your car.
Don't let anyone ridicule you for falling for the marketing.

>>28552711
You could try doing the same for a change, nocars.

>>28552715
Have one already.
>>28552714
This lmao.

>>28552714
>Oh yeah? Is there usually a lot of gravel roads running right between granite cliffs and only just barely wide enough for one vehicle in your area?
No, it's usually the other way around, the biggest obstacles are on the road and the area on both sides of the road is more driveable than the road itself. People stay on the road only for sentimental reasons. How can you imagine something like that and call other people retarded?
>Don't let anyone ridicule you for falling for the marketing.
Pirating a parts catalog then going over it and ordering the part on my own is now marketing. Cool.

>>28552662
>By your argument people would be flocking to small inexpensive fuel-sipping hatchbacks
What do you think compact and subcompact CUVs are?

>>28552662
Because he said "most practical" not least expensive. Also most crossovers these days use the same platform and engine as a hatchback would, so the difference in mpgs is pretty negligible. A civic hybrid gets 49mpg but a crv still gets 43. No one's out there going "oh no only 43mpg i can't afford to drive to work" like they were in the 80s when a suburban for 9mpg

>>28552724
Shittier, bigger, more fuel-consuming hatchbacks marketed by focusing on their proximity to SUVs.
>>28552725
>A civic hybrid gets 49mpg but a crv still gets 43.
That doesn't answer my point. Why would they pick the less adapted choice? My argument is that it's marketing.
>Also most crossovers these days use the same platform and engine as a hatchback would
Yes and the manufacturer makes more profit on the crossover, so it promotes it more.

>>28552731
What part of "most practical" is confusing you

>>28552731
>muh consumpshon
Isn't that an NPC trait?

>>28551833 (OP)
Back in 2020 I convinced my mother to buy a CT5 instead of some other Caddy SUV, and I don’t think she regrets it. Its a damn good looking car.

>>28552736
>What part of "most practical" is confusing you
If they sought "most practical" that'd mean van or minivan. My point is that crossovers are shittier hatchbacks who are marketed because they're more profitable.
>>28552738
We're discussing general public preferences. So yeah NPC behavior is expected.

>>28551837
>city car more than coupe
Holy fuck nuke this world

>>28552786
>crossovers are shittier hatchbacks
>sit higher
>easier to get in/out
>easier to get children/luggage in/out
>scrape ramps/curbs less
>get stuck a bit further
How's that shittier?

>>28552270
There are not many cross sold EU-US models.

>>28552798
All your bitching was about you being a faggot. Higher vehicle = less aerodynamic = less fuel-efficient = less safe handling especially in corners and at highway speeds. For no fucking benefit except your fat ass somehow not being able to sit down anymore, or your inner Stacy wanting to sit higher you fucking faggot. People were doing just fine with sedans, wagons and minivans, until they suddenly became "unfashionable" because all the advertisement featured SUVs. And that marketing shift was because of regulations and profit margins. We've already had this discussion, I know you're a fucking faggot who drives one of these cuckboxes and that making a faggot admit he's bought something because of marketing is impossible. My guess is that you'll keep circling the same "muh tastes" shit, so kill yourself.

white american population is in rapid decline

>>28552832
>Higher vehicle = less aerodynamic = less fuel-efficient = less safe handling especially in corners and at highway speeds.
As if a normalfag cares about all that. The differences in these between a car and a cuckover based on the same car is almost negligible for him, especially in regards to handling and cornering.
>your bitching
>you being a faggot
>your fat ass
>your inner Stacy
>you fucking faggot
>you're a fucking faggot
>kill yourself
We're discussing general public preferences, remember?

>>28551872
>advantages like higher seating position
how is that an advantage

>>28552853
Easier to get in and out, more comfortable sitting position, better view of the road

>>28552848
>As if a normalfag cares about all that. The differences in these between a car and a cuckover based on the same car is almost negligible for him, especially in regards to handling and cornering.
I know and my argument, for the thousandth time, is that the general public simply bought what was predominantly pushed in the marketing materials. But for some reason you're trying your hardest to argue it was a totally organic behavior change originating from the clientele.
>We're discussing general public preferences, remember?
We were, but the fact you're unable to propose a better explanation yet are rabidly denying the explanation I'm giving you tells me there's more at stake. So let's not act as if you don't drive one of these.

>>28551872
Lie.
>>28552865
>Easier to get in and out, more comfortable sitting position, better view of the road
Other vehicles had those advantages. Shut the fuck up already.

>>28552865
>more comfortable sitting position
the suv experience

What the fuck is this schizo thread
Over a 100 posts and almost nobody is even attempting to answer OP's question.

I'm also interested in an answer as someone who literally doesn't understand why anyone would willingly buy anything other than a sedan. All the other "car" types are fugly as hell and make you look and feel like some cargo delivery bum driving a sad little version of a truck around town.
Sedan is literally the only kind of car that looks like a proper car.

So the question is again:
Why aren't sedans more popular?

>>28552876
>Why aren't sedans more popular?
the low window and high lip on the trunk filter out women and wristlets trying to load their groceries or strollers, especially in my part of the world where glas bottles are common.

>>28551833 (OP)
>Why dont americans like sedans anymore?
wtf are u talking about anon? I always see a lot of Accords, Camrys, Corollas, 4dr Hyundais & kias

>>28552876
>Why aren't sedans more popular?
Because crossovers and SUVs are more profitable so they've been pushed by carmakers. And small hatchbacks grew bigger to the point a Golf nowadays is as big as an 80's Passat. End result is that sedans got squeezed between those two ends.

>>28552867
>I know and my argument, for the thousandth time, is that the general public simply bought what was predominantly pushed in the marketing materials.
Don't marketing materials also exist for "normal" cars (not cuckovers)? And even for fucking trucks and related SUVs?
>But for some reason you're trying your hardest to argue it was a totally organic behavior change originating from the clientele.
So that was enough to trigger a complete meltdown? How pathetic.
My argument is that "normal cars" became more specialized, while the demands of the general population didn't change much. Look at >>28552480, a 2000s car is basically like a modern cuckover with the same name, and a current non-cuckover version looks like a 2000s "sporty car" would've looked. It sits lower so it probably has >safe handling especially in corners and at highway speeds, it's more aerodynamic (or looks like that), so it probably is a bit more fuel-efficiend and other things you said. The problem is, your Stacy doesn't need all that, she wants essentially the same car her mother bought in 2000s but now it's something closer to a cuckover.

>>28552902
>Don't marketing materials also exist for "normal" cars (not cuckovers)? And even for fucking trucks and related SUVs?
A company's marketing budget and presence is limited. How they allocate those among their offering depends on what is the most profitable.
>Look at >>28552480, a 2000s car is basically like a modern cuckover with the same name, and a current non-cuckover version looks like a 2000s "sporty car" would've looked. It sits lower
Except it doesn't sit lower. The only thing that's "lower" is your IQ you fucking faggot. Even taking your Corolla example, the 2000-2002 Corolla has a ride height of 119mm and the 2018-2023 Corolla has a ride height of 135mm. You're not actually explaining a sound reasoning, you're nigger-rigging a post-hoc explanation to your cattle behavior.

>>28552918
>A company's marketing budget and presence is limited. How they allocate those among their offering depends on what is the most profitable.
So you probably can show us how the budgets allocated for "cuckover promotion" compare to budgets for other types of vehicles? I mean you have to base your point on something...
>the 2000-2002 Corolla has a ride height of 119mm
Where did you get that from? All sources say 160 mm for 2000-2002.
>meltdown again
Please breathe in and breathe out several times before replying, thank you.

>>28552923
>So you probably can show us how the budgets allocated for "cuckover promotion" compare to budgets for other types of vehicles? I mean you have to base your point on something...
If I produced proof that the share of advertising dedicated to SUV and crossovers indeed grew, will you admit you were wrong and post your wrist opened up to the elbow? Or will you simply jump to another cope like you've done until now?
>Where did you get that from? All sources say 160 mm for 2000-2002.
https://www.autotrader.ca/research/comparison/ The french site's named autohebdo, from a cool magazine. Here's a screenshot of the comparison.
>Please breathe in and breathe out several times before replying, thank you.
Please stop breathing. Or at least making up shit to justify refusing reality.

>>28551833 (OP)
It is not just America as >>28551837 shows, and it is because crossovers are more practical every-cars than sedans are

>>28552662
My Hyundai Tuscon Hybrid gets an average 60mpg and can fit everything for a week's vacation + 5 people.

>>28552871
>Other vehicles had those advantages
Which ones?

>>28552946
>If I produced proof
I would say thank you and consider new information.
>that the share of advertising dedicated to SUV and crossovers indeed grew
It didn't really exist earlier so of course it grew. I asked for comparison with other types, not with itself.
>https://www.autotrader.ca/research/comparison/
No source sadly. I used this (choose any version)
https://specs.cars-directory.net/toyota/corolla/2000_673/
and the Japanese source seems to confirm 160-170 (page 15):
https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Toyota-Corolla-Fielder-2002-JPN.pdf

>>28553002
>I would say thank you and consider new information.
Okay I see where this is going. I presume you'll reject press articles and accept nothing less than original documents from the manufacturers themselves, and a actual comparison of various models' ground clearances to boot. Only for you to turn around and say
>well maybe that's what happened for all the other goyim but me? I absolutely NEEDED that crossover for (insert bullshit about offroading, etc)
I've already wasted enough time with a disingenuous little cuck like you so here's the gist of it using only Renault as an "oranges to oranges" comparison: your argument about ground clearance is shit, the practicality argument is shit, your are shit and it is indeed all marketing dictating the trend
>ground clearance: almost all Renault in the early 1990s had a ground clearance of 12cm, be it Twingo 1, Laguna 1 (sedan) or Espace 1 (minivan) the faggot SUVs (Kadjar and Captur) nowadays have a 20-21cm ground clearance
>practicality: the Espace minivan, the Scenic compact-minivan, and the Laguna estate all were discontinued though they had more cargo space and practicality
Go ahead and find some faggot denial, I don't care anymore.

>>28553106
>Okay I see where this is going. I presume you'll reject press articles and accept nothing less than original documents from the manufacturers themselves
No, let's see the press articles, I'm interested.
>only Renault
Kek

>>28553119
>>only Renault
>Kek
The make I know the most about.
>No, let's see the press articles, I'm interested.
Alright, have some in english:
>rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/498771/car-makers-spend-millions-more-advertising-big-gas-guzzlers-than-small-cars-or-evs
>automotivemanufacturingsolutions.com/regions/big-vehicles-big-profits/522161
>ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2083036/how-the-automobile-industry-turned-us-into-suv-drivers
>theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/06/carmakers-double-spending-on-ads-in-australia-for-suvs-and-utes

>>28553144
>The make I know the most about.
I get that but I'm not sure it is relevant enough (and they also had strange relationship with ride height with their hydraulic suspensions). You can call that a cope, I don't care.

Thanks for the links, I'll look into them. Why Canada, Australia and New Zealand though? Only Canada has somewhat relevant car market because of being close to the US, the other two are a thing in itself on the edge of the world, they get scraps and leftovers, and them being RHD only worsens the situation.

>>28553167
>(and they also had strange relationship with ride height with their hydraulic suspensions)
No no you're thinking of Citroën, who're the ones famous for their fancy height-adjustable hydraulic suspension. Renault is the most basic of the big french big three manufacturers.
>Why Canada, Australia and New Zealand though?
The US market's push for SUV is a bit older and reinforced by the "light truck" CAFE category, the sect.179 deductible, the chicken tax tariff on european style panel vans, etc. Tried to give you fairly to-the-point articles that were also in english.

>>28552519
>>28551855
>>28552030
>A luxury sedan or sports car with a big engine will always project more status than a fucking cuckover or cheap SUV.
SUV driver looks down at sedan driver.
No matter how you cope height > manlets. Its instinctive when people recognize superiority of height.
Big = good.

>>28553189
>No no you're thinking of Citroën
Oh shit, yes, I confused them. Nevertheless, I don't think there has been a lot of French presence outside of France before they started shitting out rebranded Dacias for developing markets. Except maybe by Peugeots. I saw lots of older Peugeots in a number of countries including RHD ones.

>Tried to give you fairly to-the-point articles that were also in english.
Thank you. There are also Brits themselves, and shouldn't global press releases be in English?

>The US market's push for SUV is a bit older and reinforced by the "light truck" CAFE category, the sect.179 deductible, the chicken tax tariff on european style panel vans, etc.
First link and your image in 28553106 refer to "gas guzzlers" - that's a US-specific term that includes vehicles larger than cuckovers as well (trucks, BoF SUVs and so on, says that in the pic), and is source (Nielsen) suggest it's about the US market. I see another kiwi-specific comparison further down, but don't Kiwis and Aussies have tax or other benefits for light trucks as well (the thing that made the utes so popular)?

>>28553144
>automotivemanufacturingsolutions.com/regions/big-vehicles-big-profits/522161
Nothing about marketing budgets for cuckovers here at all.

>ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2083036/how-the-automobile-industry-turned-us-into-suv-drivers
Same thing here: Canucks are talking about their neighbors, who regulate smaller vehicles more and demand from them more and more compared to the larger vehicles (not only cuckovers, they speak more of trucks and SUVs) and find out that less regulated part of the market is more attractive. Some parts of what they talk are just hilarious, and pic rel is straight up /pol/ material.

>>28553214
>I don't think there has been a lot of French presence outside of France before they started shitting out rebranded Dacias for developing markets. Except maybe by Peugeots
You're forgetting Renault big US adventure, during which they saved Jeep and lost a ton of money.
Regarding the links, if you wanna nitpick I'm out of fucks to give. You got the gist of it: manufacturers make more profits on SUVs and crossovers than sedans and hatchbacks, so they market the shit out of them, or even discontinue sedans like here in France.

>>28553144
>theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/06/carmakers-double-spending-on-ads-in-australia-for-suvs-and-utes
And the last one. Sadly, no cuckover ad spending here again, they speak mostly of light commercial vehicles (which do have some financial benefits in Australia compared to cars) like Hiluxes or they mix them up with SUVs (like Land Cruisers which can't be called cuckovers). Calls for advertisement regulations for fucking cars is hilarious though, these upside-down bootlickers are something else.

Who compiled your list of links, an aidiot? Did you read these materials yourself?

>>28553276
>Who compiled your list of links, an aidiot?
Me.
>Did you read these materials yourself?
Yes I read them before copy-pasting them. I knew this would be how it ends, with you finding menial shit to nitpick to deny the simple and obvious truth. So I'm gonna bail after wishing your cunt of a wife a cancer in the next two years. She's most probably the one who chose that piece of shit cuckover you're coping for.

>>28551833 (OP)
We do, but we have no say in how the country is ran.

Looking back I forgot two links on my list, gonna post them for any passing anon:
>distilled.earth/p/the-loophole-that-made-cars-in-america
>aftermarketmatters.com/national-news/cost-pressures-and-inflation-drive-consumers-to-sedans-not-suvs/ which brings a bit of hope

Oh boy I can't wait to buy an electric soulless appliance cut for 60k

>>28552871
objectively true, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true
now rope faggot

>>28553275
>You're forgetting Renault big US adventure, during which they saved Jeep and lost a ton of money.
Yep, I vaguely remember something about AMC, will read up on it later.
>Regarding the links, if you wanna nitpick I'm out of fucks to give.
I mean we were discussing cuckovers being supposedly over-promoted, so I was expecting to find something like "they spend X on advertising regular cars, Y on cuckovers, and Z on trucks" and got Y and Z mixed together instead which doesn't help much because trucks/LCVs are special in a lot of places. The closest thing was Kiwis' spending on promoting fucking Mitsubishi ASX almost as hard as some small pickup. And the car really needs that, it's awful, but I guess on such a small market they don't have a lot of other options.
>manufacturers make more profits on SUVs
This one I'm sure of. I mean GM killed their last full size sedan and wagon line to make more Tahoes in the mid-1990s. Can't forgive them for that.
>and crossovers
And here I'm not so sure because it's hard to separate them. Crossovers are often too similar to cars they are based on, both technically and legally, but they do get mixed up with trucks. I remember some anon pointing out Euro and US bumpers having different profiles on the same cuckover model because Burgers wanted them to be legally classified as trucks. Can't blame them though, they got better approach angle as a result.
>so they market the shit out of them
I don't get why this is a bad thing though. Also don't think government regulation here will make things better for regular people.
>>28553290
Wanted to thank you for the more civilized part of the discussion but you're acting as a drama queen again. One of my vehicles is indeed a cuckover, I bought it because I wanted to try both a cuckover and a hybrid (hybrids weren't so common at the time), and I can surely shit on it, especially in comparison to other cars and trucks I have experience with.

>>28553300
And yet cuvs are GAY as FUCK kek cry soccermom pussy

>>28553333
Nice quads.
>Wanted to thank you for the more civilized part of the discussion but you're acting as a drama queen again
It's simple: you acknowledge my arguments and engage in good faith, I answer politely. You nitpick and cope, while being unable to provide a more compelling theory, I call you a faggot and wish death on your family.
>Yep, I vaguely remember something about AMC, will read up on it later.
Make it a bundle and add in Peugeot's 505 taxis and Citroën's wankel engine so you can enjoy the full course of "french manufacturers getting cocky and failing".
>I was expecting to find something like "they spend X on advertising regular cars, Y on cuckovers, and Z on trucks"
This is internal corporate information. I tried to find anything but it's either behind paywall or straight up not available to the public.
>I'm not so sure because it's hard to separate them
Yes I agree and that's my point regarding France: here actual SUVs are still too expensive for most, so crossovers are basically lifted hatchbacks with the same anemic engines, sold at a premium, because "muh offroad muh adventure muh association with SUVs". When I saw fucking Dacia make a killing selling shitty bloated cuckboxes for wannabes I knew it had nothing to do with offroading.
>I don't get why this is a bad thing though.
This is just a plain rip-off. Corporations using marketing to bend the wants of the clientele to what makes them the most money, consequences be damned. Fuck them and fuck their profits.
>Also don't think government regulation here will make things better for regular people.
It's not in my habits, but at this point I wouldn't mind a tax based on vehicle weight.

We do, but the UAW priced the big 3 out of cool affordable sedans

>>28553401
>big 3
BMW, Mercedes, and Alfa Romeo still make sedans THOUGH

>>28551833 (OP)
They got too fat for them. Have you seen their 'women'?

>>28553401
when they were selling those cool affordable sedans, /o/ just said they were shit and that you should buy FWD japanese cars, instead. so, the big 3 listened, and stopped producing them.

>>28553425
to the same token, Honda produced cool reliable AWD sports sedans. /o/ said they were shit, and that you should buy high maintenance german shit, instead. so, Honda listeneed, and stopped producing them.

i don't think /o/ actually likes sedans unless its some stanced RHD JDM shit from the 90s.

>>28553425
I don't know what you're on about but the Ford Taurus/fusion and the Impalas were gay af because they were like $6k more expensive than their competitors for no reason

>>28553443
not sure what the hell car lots you were looking at. they were not more expensive, here.

>>28553432
They were shit THOUGH
Just get an E28 M5, E30 325i, E39 530i, LCI E90 M3 Competition or N54 335i, F10 M5 Competition, W124, W126, W140, or W210 already as they are all better than any sedan that gayhonda has produced godsDAMN

>>28553292
>distilled.earth/p/the-loophole-that-made-cars-in-america
This one is heavily biased, but still a good read, thanks. It's brief enough yet still reminds what excessive government regulation can do to a market.
>aftermarketmatters.com/national-news/cost-pressures-and-inflation-drive-consumers-to-sedans-not-suvs/ which brings a bit of hope
Yeah, it does, and I personally like to think the trucks became so overbloated both aesthetically and feature-wise that buyers started to turn away from them, but that might be just wishful thinking.

>>28553450
But they sucked who cares

>>28553371
>Make it a bundle and add in Peugeot's 505 taxis and Citroën's wankel engine so you can enjoy the full course of "french manufacturers getting cocky and failing".
Thanks, saved.
>being unable to provide a more compelling theory
We have yet to see anything to label yours as compelling:
>I tried to find anything but it's either behind paywall or straight up not available to the public.
For me, I can at least juggle the numbers from the spec sheets and overlay side views of different cars. Or go ask the neighbors why did they buy a number of cuckovers for their families. Or whine that I'm tired of scraping the ramps and even some speedbumps with the factory "sporty" bumper of my non-truck and non-cuckover car on factory "sporty" suspension. Hearing this scraping sound is way more unpleasant than watching some Frog reeeing and throwing packs of dull insults at me.
>When I saw fucking Dacia make a killing selling shitty bloated cuckboxes for wannabes I knew it had nothing to do with offroading.
Idk, one of their models I'm most familiar with is Duster (prev gens to the one in your pic), and in Eastern Europe (I'm originally a slav, remember?) a lot of people choose between them or the Lada Niva because of a similar price tag and capabilities (including reliability). So I won't call that a "cuckbox for a wannabe", just a budget car that will get you through some not so good roads.
>Corporations using marketing to bend the wants of the clientele to what makes them the most money
Not pleasant but still better than governments doing the same. With corpos you have more options (starting from not watching the ads).
>but at this point I wouldn't mind a tax based on vehicle weight.
Would definitely make more sense than CO2-based taxes that are the norm in a lot of places nowadays. It's funny, but some of these places had weight-based road tax earlier.

>>28553455
yea, who cares about sedans. people don't buy them so that's why SUVs and Crossovers rose in popularity.

CAFE and "marketing" had nothing to do with it. its just cope to shift blame from the reality that people don't want sedans.

>>28553463
Those suck even worse THOUGH

>>28553511
just like sedans suck even worse than crossovers.

>>28553517
No those definitely are shittier than sedans, that's WHY they sell so much

>>28553521
>german sedans are shittier than the TLX Type S, that's WHY they sell so much
we can do these mental gymnastics all day.

>>28553527
The tlx is bud light as fuck. No one wants to spend Westly money on bud light when they can just get the real thing, baby

>>28553548
Sedans are bud light, and no one wants to spend money on them when they can get a superior crossover.

>>28553548
Kek jaykay the tlx is more like some bizarre jap light beer that no one's ever heard of but is also made by fuckin ab-inbev and is equally as shitty as bud light
>>28553554
If sedans are bud light why don't they sell? cuvs are bud light as FUCK LOLbmaooo0o0o0

>>28553566
>If sedans are bud light why don't they sell?
if the TLX Type S is bud light, why didn't it sell?

>>28551872
>driving fast on curved on-ramps is no prob-ACK

>>28553569
Kek it's more like shitty asahi but contract brewed by fuckin ab-inbev in ohio and damn asahi was already shitty LOLbmaooo0o0o0
Why would anyone want that?

>>28553585
Not him but I can drive my old truck spirited enough and still be significantly slowed down by regular traffic. With or without your mom (used to offset the weight distribution). There's no real difference from a car in that regard except body roll (and the ability to give her a ride without putting unnecessary strain on drivetrain and suspension).

>>28553599
For sure

>>28553589
why would anyone want a sedan when a crossover is better?

>>28551852
Is that why we also don't have small pickups.

Daily reminder - if you ever use the argument about CUVs/SUVs being comfortable because they're easier to get in/out, you're outing yourself as a subhuman.
A healthy human before his 60s or even 70s and not suffering the effects of any traumatic injury, should have zero problems sliding into a seat of a regular car. You're either a genetic failure that wouldn't survive the other 99% of our species history or you let yourself to a point where your body can't perform basic movements.
Improve your health or eliminate yourself from the gene pool instead of looking for a vehicle that could support the pathetic state you're in.

>>28553601
cuvs aren't better, that's WHY they sell more than sedans

>>28553656
see
>>28553527

>>28553661
sedans don't sell THOUGH
And see >>28553589

>>28553666
oh godsdamnit
Back at it AGAIN with them Trips of Truth
That I KNOW nobody's gonna fuckin'
Check 'em, sonnyboys!

>>28553666
see
>>28553601

>>28552623
>ride height is higher which improves visibility

>>28553712
See >>28553656

>>28553717
see>>28553527

>>28553715
>ride height is higher which improves visibility in traffic
Where's that traffic part in the post you replied to

>>28553718
So do sedans sell or not? What is your fixation with the piece of shit tlx lol that thing sucks dick like all gayhondas

>>28551833 (OP)
white women
we fucked up so fucking hard

>>28553732
so is the the more popular thing better or not? what is your fixation on budlight, you self contradicting retard.

>>28553738
Can't answer the question huh pussy?
Where did I contradict myself?
cuvs are more "popular" BECAUSE they are shittier than sedans; what don't you understand about that?

>>28553745
>Where did I contradict myself?
here>>28553548
>German sedans are more popular than the TLX, therefore the TLX must be superior
>uh, Ackwually... german sedans are still better because they are more popular

>>28553753
>german sedans are still better because they are more popular
LOL where did I use argumentum ad populum?!

>>28553767
>why would anyone want (less popular thing)?
>>28553601
>why would anyone want sedans (less popular thing)?

>>28553771
So you can't read. I see.
See, the word I'm using is "BETTER," not "popular"

>>28553778
Crossovers are better. so, your budlight analogy doesn't make any sense.

Why do people buy bud light when it sucks?!
Why do people buy various ugly, slow, gay, pikachu MONSTER TRUCKS when they suck?!

>>28553780
cuvs are bud light as fuck they aren't better than shit

>>28553782
>german sedans are budlight as fuck, they aren't better than shit.

cuvs aren't even fucking beer; they're faggy white claw bullshit

>>28553786
And yet

>>28553605
Yes and no. The CAFE regulations are based on wheelbase, so they're the reason trucks are 27 feet long now. The fact that they're 10 feet in the air is just because they're assholes.

>>28551833 (OP)
AMERICANS NEVER LIKED SEDANS THEY MAKE BAD FAMILY CARS WHY I HEARD THE JONES DOWN THE STREET BOUGHT SOME FANCY GERMAN SEDAN AND LITTLE JONESY OVER THERE OPENED THE DOOR AND FLEW OUT THE CAR WHY IF I HAD TO BUY A FAMILY CAR I'D GET A COUPE I WOULD AND I DID WHILE IT MAY BE BITCH TO GET JR IN AND OUT OF I KNOW HE WON'T BE OPENING ANY DAMN DOORS

>>28553829
not just wheelbase - approach and departure angles too. that's why the burger lexus nx has a weird looking front bumper compared to yuro models

>>28553944
That might just be the gayest thing I've ever heard.

>>28553959
you have cafe to thank for that

>>28553648
Work smart not hard, faggot. I'm a lot fitter than you but I still don't like sliding into a low car after a leg day or a day of titty fucking mother nature. In America we have the freedom to be comfy. That's why we live in big houses instead of 100 sq.ft flats like you.

>people are actually out here defending 18” wheels on economy cars
grim

>>28553648
Just because you can do something one way doesn't mean there can't still be a better alternative.

>>28553989
>people are actually bitching about CAFE when they don't want sedans to begin with and reject manufacturer's offerings left and right until there are none left
grim

>>28554014
>219 (you)s and you thought it was (you)

>>28553970
Yea you're obese

>>28551855
They actually do have a pretty close equivalent, they have a fleet emissions scoring system and the standards are based on weight, higher weight = lower standards. It 100% explains why BMW sedans have been turned into fat pigs in the last 15 years.
They also have the really dumb electrification exemptions, basically if a plug in hybrid gets a high enough percentage of its total range from pure electric, it counts as an EV and actually counts NEGATIVE emissions credits, they get like 10k euros per car. See new hybrid M5 weighing 5k+ pounds, full of batteries to get emissions credits.

>>28553944
>weird looking front bumper
But it's better. With it you actually have a thing called approach angle.

>>28551874
>let's spend more money into making a specific platform just for this market.
But they do that literally all the time

>>28552452
People fundamentally do not make purchase decisions based on pragmatic reasons, those are always post hoc.
Feelies come first always. Most bought it because of the perception that that's just what you buy.
I bought my car because it looks and sounds cool, and that's about as complicated reasoning as you will actually get.

>>28552463
Chevrolet is such a fucking trashy brand>>28552479
My

>>28552479
My mum has a kona, i despise it.
Feels fucking tiny to the point where my head hits the rood when driving, seat is literally a high chair and the boot is miniscule.

>>28552544
Usual its the euros who can't speak english.

>>28553648
This.

>it's all a conspiracy! people actually WANT sedans! the corporations and the government are FORCING everyone to buy crossovers by killing off the cars!
Why aren't the camry and accord the best selling vehicles in the world? Hell why aren't they the best selling vehicles in their own brand? And why would some car makers continue offering sedans if they didn't want people to buy them?

>>28554621
Okay child, let's walk you through the steps in a clear, simple way:
>carmakers aren't in business to provide cars but to make money
>demand creation, aka marketing, is the primary force driving sales of new vehicles
>carmakers shift their marketing focus to more profitable vehicle types
Was that simple enough for your pea brain to understand?

>>28554630
then why don't they cancel making all sedans? the only thing they care about is profit. they don't care about providing people with cars. so stop all production of all sedans. BMW, Audi, Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Nissan, Dodge, VW, Hyundai, Kia, they're all so retarded. Don't they know that they could make more money by cancelling all their cars?

>>28551833 (OP)
Because American's are too damn fat.

But yes, it saddens me. Sedans are superior in style to generic eggs.

>>28554496
This has to be bait.

>>28551833 (OP)
sedans are hard to get in and out of if you're an obese dipshit slob with atrophied legs from a sedentary lifestyle.

>>28554643
Don't even attempt sarcasm you subhuman. Did I ever imply marketing worked instantly? Did I ever imply retooling a factory was free and quick? Kill yourself, there nothing more infuriating than the smugness of the idiot.

>>28554838
What you're experiencing right now is called "cognitive dissonance".

>>28554867
You don't know shit faggot. And you're trying to cover up by bitching like a Stacy instead of writing a coherent rebuttal.

>>28552088
>you can't see over or under them
Or through them
Most fagovers have that stupid rear taper making it impossible to see though the rear window and out the front
They also typically have darker tint for some god damned reason
Everything is a humiliation ritual, everything is inverted, everything is retarded.

pisses me off because now everything is much taller than my wagon. my wagon should have great visibility but all these cuckovers sit up so high i cant see shit

>>28553455
Nonsense they were cool cars. I see a shitload of buick sedans driving around still and its just because unlike chevrolet customers, buick buyers take care of their shit.

>>28551833 (OP)
Love me car. Simple as

>>28551833 (OP)
The fashion for SUVS and pickups is just that, and pretty pathetic. There's nothing like a big sedan in most situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qZu27RB8m8

>>28554889
If you know so much and I know so little then it should be really easy for you to answer some simple questions

>>28554930
i was just thinking that
like a minivan is okay because it's relatively low and has big windows, even with tint, you can see thru the cabin to the other side. they're also not very wide
Crossovers are lifted with thicker bodies and higher beltlines and they have a high ass like a european sedan, if you're behind one you can't see shit, you might as well be behind a semi truck. you can't see thru the rear window to the front because it's 10 miles up in the air with its belt pulled up higher than a chattanooga gigolo.

>>28553425
And that is a shame by any measure.

>>28555001
Go ahead then, ask a question.

>>28554933
>my wagon should have great visibility but all these cuckovers sit up so high i cant see shit
Try driving a car that sits low on the ground. Those faggots in their cuckovers and SUVs are so fucking high that their fucking LED headlights are exactly at my eye level.

>>28551833 (OP)
SUVs are easier to get in and out of.
Higher point of view makes it easier to see.
Lower point of view makes everything feel like it's going by faster and scares the normie

>>28554867
Thats not what cognitive dissonance is retard

>>28555335
>Tfw my spoiler sits at just the right level to block out the headlights of lifted goybubbles.

>>28555347
Lucky you. Last time pic related popped behind me during a night drive, and its headlights were as if I was targeted by a helicopter searchlight. Had to duck my head to get my eyes out of its reflections in my side mirrors, laser dance style.

>>28554963
This. Incredible how many anons can see this shitty trend for what it is, while some faggots will whine and cope and repeat the same "easier to get in" lie ad infinitum.

It's easier to get in because I weigh 400lbs, okay???

women dont even have children anymore why tf do they need big vehicles?

>>28555462
Because they think they will get suck and die if there is an inch of snow and they don't have a huge jacked up AWD vehicle

>>28555462
They don't need them they want them. Go to any yuppie neighborhood and ask the women there what their dream car is or what car they would like to own. Most are going to say something along the lines of a Yukon Denali or an Escalade. I used to question why you would want to drive a big truck or SUV in the city until I bought a 6500lb SUV. Now I prefer driving it over my little econobox in the city.

>>28555462
>women dont even have children anymore
white women*