Thread 28622695

>rent EV in europe
>€0.72 per kwh
the fuck? in my country, not only is electricity MUCH cheaper than that, even petrol is significantly cheaper.

I thought the big selling point of EVs was to avoid paying so much and just deal with range anxiety, now I’m dealing with both range anxiety AND still overpaying for range. I should’ve gotten a HEV, or PHEV at most.

>>28622695 (OP)
>bought into all that EV shilling
Serves you right.

>>28622695 (OP)
Not really worth it in many countries unless you can charge at home at night at a low price, or something.
In Northern Europe, the power price does sometimes hit zero on windy enough days. The local grid operator may want a few cents for providing the power transfer regardless of who you're buying the power from, though. Still potentially very cheap.

>PHEV
Wasn't there a study recently suggesting that most of these barely beat full hybrids in fuel consumption & emissions in actual use? I guess either the battery capacity is too low to make a difference, or people can't be assed to charge the things due to inconvenience and high electricity prices, and only bought them because of retarded subsidies.

>>28622730
The point is that I’d fill it with petrol and charge it at a hotel overnight, maybe at a charging station if I’m having lunch top it off. Theoretically, this should give me a very high mpg, but I can’t know for sure unless I try it.

>>28622695 (OP)
EVs are cheap if you charge at home for like 20-30 cents per kwh. Or even less if you have solar + battery bank.
Also gas is like 1.86 euros per liter so I wouldn't say its cheaper, especially when you factor in maint. Hybrids are the go to for most people here. Helps out a lot in lesser fuel consumption during city driving and 0 range anxiety. My neighbours with solar opted for PHEV so they basically charge for the depreciation of the panels and battery. It covers their 30km city commute and 0 range anxiety for road trips to austria in summer with the kids.

>>28622695 (OP)
Everyone wants a long range EV that goes far precisely to avoid the hell that is public charging. EV adoption rate will always be crippled by the sorry state of public charging.

>>28622695 (OP)
>€0.72 per kwh
huh?
where is there electricity THAT high?

>>28622838
Chamonix, France.

>>28622872
kwh price in France :

Base price: 0,1952 €
Special day time price: 0,2081 €
Special night time price: 0,1635 €

>>28622940
This is what I mean.

>>28623653
So lovely, you pay for 500kW charging in a car that most likely does 100kW charging at most. How lovely! What an absolute state of public charging!!

>>28623670
That’s still not as ridiculous as one of the charging stations in Milan, which is where I’ll head next. I’m somehow paying more for less.

>>28622695 (OP)
how does that price translate to dollar per jiggaspark

>>28622695 (OP)
I pay 9 cents a kilowatt hour in WA.
Imagine not having hydroelectric dams and water everywhere.
>Muh trannies
They don't leave seattle, so it's fine.

>>28622695 (OP)
>X an EV
serves you right faggot
try taking the bus next time

>>28623707
85 cents

building a fast charging station easily costs over 100k.
Taking so much power requires a substation and depending on the location some more or less extensive ground works to tap into the high voltage lines.

Gas stations make their money with the shop, the car wash and increasing land value in the long run.
Using fast charging stations for your EV is roughly a break even compared to gas and its not actually meant to be used as the primary charging option.
Here in germany fast chargers usually cost tripple compared to what you pay at home for charging.

It used to be closer but they realized that many EV owners dont have the option to charge at home.
So they milk them

>>28622695 (OP)
Do the math on what things actually cost. I'm gonna do it in American but my gas only costs $1000 per year.

>drive 10,000 miles per year
>car gets 33mpg average
>that's 303 gallons of gas a year I need
>average cost of gas is $3.50
>that's $1,060 total spent in gas a year

So tell me why the fuck I'd spend an extra $10,000 to get a hybrid model over the gas model of a vehicle, then deal with it losing resale value twice as fast because the battery degrades? They can lose 4-5k a year instead of 2k a year. Yes my vehicle gets decent gas mileage and gas is "cheap" here. But even if you have a truck getting half my fuel economy, you spend 2k a year. You will never save money with hybrid or EV, they literally tricked you because you're too stupid to do the math and fell for the marketing. The only practical use case for battery powered vehicles is having a multifuel vehicle (PHEVs achieve this) so you can decide which fuel you feel like using or use what's more convenient, for example charge it at home at night to do your daily short commute instead of having to stop at a nasty gas station in the morning and lose time/risk getting necked.

>>28624052
I still needed to rent something with electric capabilities just to be allowed to enter Milan city center or drive around in Zone B on weekends due to low emissions laws. I’d never buy an EV personally, since they’re way overpriced.

>>28624118
>rent something with electric capabilities just to be allowed to enter Milan city center or drive around in Zone B on weekends due to low emissions laws
Imagine willingly spending money to directly and indirectly finance the system forcing you this.

>>28624133
it’s not even my country, and it’s a rental. I don’t think my “willingness” affects anything.

>>28624133
What 5th world hellhole are you from?

>>28624138
They make a lot of money from tourism, don't you get it? Or did someone force you to go there like on a job assignment?

>>28624330
I was there on a business trip last month, but I wasn’t aware of the charging prices because the hotel where I stayed and the office I attended for meetings charged my rental free of charge.
Now that I’m here on a tourist trip, I realize how overpriced public charging really is, and also understand the hidden scheme to exploit people who don’t charge at home.

>>28624357
You must have been using some shitty stations. Plus you likely didn't have a subscription.
You also don't need to go out of your way to rent "clean" EVs to go to the city centre. Any shitbox made in the past decade, even an ICE one, would pass the emission limits easily.

The Norwegian Car Association did the math here
7NOK/kWh ~= 21NOK/L diesel This assumes parity of about 200Wh/km vs 0,7L/10km.
Most of them are priced at 5NOK/kWh, and Tesla aim at 3NOK/kWh

I'd assume everywhere its a little bit of the same: Its only priced decently if you got a membership somewhere, otherwise its silly expensive.

>>28624525
>shitty stations
They are all shitty, anon
>subscription
Eww

>>28624544
>>28624525
>membership
>subscription
So EVs are just another way to force this shit on people?

>>28624525
You mean the card the rental agency gave me and have to scan on (strangely enough) exclusively Shell’s own EV charging network? Yeah, I gotta scan that shit, but EVs in my country don’t need subscriptions at all, you just plug and pay what you need. What I think is happening is that energy companies in EU are being a legalized mafia.

>>28624525
>subscription
Subscribe to this, modern business model apologist

>>28624118
Drive to city limits, deploy ebike, proceed to terrorize drivers.

>>28624547
You can easily google the prices.
Ionity stations are like 0,39 €/kWh with membership and 0,59 €/kWh without.

>>28624557
Yes, you do something often -> you get a membership. Like for movie theaters.
But that's not even the issue.
You recharge your EV at home for cheap. Or at work for free. Or at your hotel for free if you are on a long vacation trip. There are free public stations too if needed.

>>28624716
oh man watching that clip again...his shit eating grin says it all lmao

>>28624808
>Ionity stations are like 0,39 €/kWh with membership and 0,59 €/kWh without.
Another reason to stick to petrol and to hate everything EV I guess
You don't get 34% lower gas prices by having a Shell or Total discount card.

>>28624827
>0,39 €/kWh
looking it up, it depends on which country you're in though. estonia for example is 0.30 yuros. germoney is 0.39 as you say, but then the monthly subscription fee for that rate is 11.99 (12) yuros.

>>28624861
>germoney is 0.39 as you say
Not me, I didn't say that

>>28624868
i was just saying that germoney matches the price you mentioned (yes i know it was a range/guide)

>>28624872
It was a quote from someone else's post, retard. I can't care less about kWh prices at public places.

>>28622695 (OP)
Yeah, the charging market is a mess right now. The EU really needs to step in and regulate the shit out of it.

>>28624881
oh right, didn't read the rest of the thread lul

>>28624557
So long its not banned wholesale? Yes, it do be like that.

>>28622838
Every highway anywhere in the EU, unironically. My old company boss had a company-registered EV bought for his personal use; he got back from charging it one day, livid as fuck, and dictated us some numbers to run through a calculator
>"What came out?"
>15
>"FIFTEEN FUCKING LITERS OF GAS" *and some more fuming and bitching*
What we calculated was that his kWh consumption was equivalent to driving a petrol car with 15L/100km consumption. Fucking tool, serves him right.

>>28622783
Try 1.45, I filled my car for that price yesterday. 95 E5 gas

>>28624913
with the way things are going right now, I doubt it.

>>28624525
>Plus you likely didn't have a subscription.
lol wut

>>28622766
>Scheduling your lunch around filling up your car.

>>28626002
no, retard. it’s an added convenience.

>>28626041
Imagine defending "added convenience" in every thread mentioning Exploding Vehicles.
For free.

>>28623689
Holy fuck
Are they charging EVs via USB3 now?

>>28624982
That's the city mileage of an 80's corvette what the hell

>>28626146
This is why Europoors are constantly made fun of here
>can't even post in English
>can't understand that the US does not enjoy EVs
>can't understand anything but their own hovels

>>28626041
>Be ICE vehicle
>Hit the gas station McDonald's to make the kids stfu
>Fill up while they drop fries in the floor
>Leave

That's convenience.

>>28627044
I’m not stuffing my kids with that overpriced poison, fuck off. Eating at a proper restaurant while charging an EV is still very convenient, in concept.

>>28627401
You don't have kids and you will never be a woman by the way.

>>28627442
your mother begs to differ, son.
>t-tranny
freudian slip, huh.

>>28624118
Rent a big ass diesel truck and roll coal on the communists.

>>28627449
Bot post.

>>28627455
not everyone who disagrees with you or mocks you is a bot

>>28628036
That reply isn't even related, and bots are known to malfunction and out themselves by that.