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Anonymous No.28669169 [Report] >>28669225 >>28669468 >>28669861
>leverage your future building and selling hideous EVs no one wants
>entire economy collapses
lol
Anonymous No.28669176 [Report] >>28669184 >>28669268 >>28669523
Guess they should have built EVs people do want.
Anonymous No.28669184 [Report] >>28669242 >>28669298
>>28669176
>EVs people want
LOL
Anonymous No.28669225 [Report] >>28670106
>>28669169 (OP)
yeh but if they hadn't shut down all their industry, a truanting swedish girl would have been upset.
Anonymous No.28669242 [Report] >>28669264
>>28669184
What was 2024's best selling car worldwide?
Anonymous No.28669264 [Report] >>28669366
>>28669242
Ford F-350 6.7L dually platinum
Anonymous No.28669268 [Report]
>>28669176
This, should've copied the Chinks
Anonymous No.28669298 [Report] >>28669311
>>28669184
They're not wrong, people are willing to buy* cheap EVs if they are available, it's the luxury EVs that German manufacturers specialise in that are not popular. Even VW, usually a more middle-range brand can't make anything that is as cheap as a chinese EV while also offering nothing over the badge on the front. All of the reviews of MG's EV could be surmised as "almost as good as a VW but significantly cheaper".

*By "buy" I mean select as a company car
Anonymous No.28669311 [Report] >>28669344
>>28669298
or you know they could just keep selling normal gas cars that everyone wants and have been selling like crazy for the past hundred years lmao
Anonymous No.28669344 [Report] >>28669352
>>28669311
>hey guys this "iPhone" thing just came out without a keyboard, it's all touchscreen and stuff, should we get in on that?
>nahh our stuff sells like hotcakes, why change? as we all know never in the history of mankind has consumer interest ever shifted away from an established product in favor of a new one
Anonymous No.28669352 [Report] >>28669365
>>28669344
hey it worked for 3D TVs, right?
Anonymous No.28669365 [Report]
>>28669352
Well it certainly worked for LCDs, even though they have washed out blacks and ghosting issues. But just like with ICE cars, it turns out the defects that a certain enthusiast minority found charming about CRTs were actually hated by everyone else.
Anonymous No.28669366 [Report]
>>28669264
>/n/ tourist doesn't know car sales numbers
Anonymous No.28669372 [Report] >>28669400
>6x your energy prices by shutting down nuclear power plants
>prevent your car industry from doing things they are good at (making ICE) and instead force them to buy batteries (which China happens to have a monopoly of)
>"why is my industry not competitive anymore?"
Truly a mystery
Anonymous No.28669400 [Report] >>28669446
>>28669372
wouldn't an increase in nuclear power make EVs more attractive in Germany, since it has few hydrocarbon resources? apart from the industrial capital and expertise built up, vehicles that don't run on hydrocarbons seem to make an awful lot of sense for Germany.
Anonymous No.28669426 [Report]
It's really
>think the Chinese will always like forgein luxury cars forever
>turns out Chinese just steal parts and bits, attach it to their own cars, and then only allow Mercedes and Buick (for some reason) to exist in the luxury sector
Anonymous No.28669446 [Report] >>28669495 >>28670101
>>28669400
I think you misread something, they DECREASED their nuclear power production which RAISED energy prices.
Anonymous No.28669468 [Report]
>>28669169 (OP)
Listen up. It's all gonna be okay though because they've imported 6 gorillion 3rd worlders, nafris and other associated brown riff-raff into the EU and surely they'll buy some new cars with their gibs money. Any day now. Just wait. Economic miracle of diversity comin thru.
kek
Anonymous No.28669495 [Report] >>28669505 >>28669511 >>28669525
>>28669446
No, I didn't misread anything. I understand that part. What I am saying is that an increase in German nuclear power would make EVs MORE attractive because nuclear power creates electricity -- it doesn't create oil. And Germany has low hydrocarbon reserves (mostly coal). So it looks to me like the decrease in nuclear power diminishes the attractiveness of EVs, thus supporting the pre-existing capital infrastructure Germany already has and the export production of its military occupier (US gas).

Like the combination of decommissioning nuclear plants doesn't really jive with increasing EV production. So I don't think those things are coordinated.
Anonymous No.28669505 [Report] >>28670531
>>28669495
But you see, the Tohoku Electric Power Co. put the backup generators in the basement, meaning that they would flood in the event of a tsunami, which means that nuclear is totally nonviable in Europe.
Anonymous No.28669511 [Report]
>>28669495
the jive is that both ventures are pursued by people aiming to destroy good things, and they've been succeeding at it
Anonymous No.28669522 [Report] >>28669543
German auto industry is 90% non-evs.

It was leveraged on selling cheap cars to China, mid tier cars to Europe and Luxury cars to USA at an unsustainable rate. The EU to US imports of mostly BMW/Audi/Mercedes were the most lopsided auto trade in the world with East Asian sales to US (which are mostly build domestically, unlike half of Germans).
Anonymous No.28669523 [Report] >>28669634
>>28669176
The only EVs anyone want are the ones that have a gas engine in it.

My boss has a tesla model 3 and he's getting a hybrid next time because he's so fucking sick of charging a cold car in winter.
Anonymous No.28669525 [Report] >>28669537
>>28669495
>So it looks to me like the decrease in nuclear power diminishes the attractiveness of EVs
Wow anon, I'm impressed. You actually managed to stumble into the point that guy was making.
Anonymous No.28669537 [Report] >>28670112
>>28669525
You sure?
>prevent your car industry from doing things they are good at (making ICE) and instead force them to buy batteries (which China happens to have a monopoly of)
He says very clearly that they should keep making ICE vehicles because they are good at it.
Anonymous No.28669543 [Report]
>>28669522
Buddy, the US bmw factory is the largest in the world. NA BMWs haven't been made in Germany for like 30 years.
Anonymous No.28669634 [Report] >>28669802 >>28670262
>>28669523
Yep, that's why for the past decade EV market share has grown every single year.
Anonymous No.28669802 [Report] >>28669836
>>28669634
Ev market is growing because of government subsidies when buying and no other reason
Anonymous No.28669836 [Report] >>28669875
>>28669802
You're telling me the only thing stopping everyone from buying EVs is just a coupon? Lmao then ICEV is cooked since EVs are going to be way cheaper.
Anonymous No.28669861 [Report] >>28670249
>>28669169 (OP)
Auto manufacturers just need to build a Hilux Champ or Slate truck copy. None of the fluff, no bubble design faggotry. Just sell a square, no bullshit vehicle. There are 500k reservations on an untested product from a new brand for a reason. If an established brand could just pull their head out of their AIDS ridden ass they'd see what the market truly wants and needs right now, and it's basically what the 3rd world is getting.
Anonymous No.28669875 [Report] >>28669882 >>28670593
>>28669836
I'm not getting the Slate truck if it's a dime over 20k. Look at EV resale values, the damn thing needs to pay itself off and it can only do that if it's well under 20k. The working class can't afford to take such a huge loss, for reference Teslas lose value at a rate of 8-12k a year. You can get one with over 100k miles for around 10k because no one buys a degraded battery. You have to be able to afford replacing them and their pricepoints just aren't there yet.

There's PHEV which is essentially a multifuel engine if you can get near a 50 mile range on EV alone. Most don't give you 20 miles of range so they're not worth it, they might as well just be a hybrid which is a waste of money. You never save the fuel costs you intend to save by buying it. You'll spend thousands more for the hybrid model, then it devalues at twice the rate of the gas only model. For an efficient gas only car with average gas prices right now, you only spend $1k on gas a year. That's not a huge cost, so you'll lose money with the initial thousands you spend on a hybrid and the thousands you lose in added devaluation due to the battery aging.

The formula for that is:
>10k miles a year, divide by 33mpg average, 303 gallons needed a year, multiply by 3.50 a gallon, equals $1,060 spent on gas a year.

Hybrids were never about cost unless you're stupid and don't actually do the math on purchases. Only get a PHEV if you want a multifuel vehicle for SHTF purposes, otherwise gas only is the most economically viable, and EVs have their place but they're not for poors. You will waste way more money with it or any hybrid/PHEV. We're being forced into buying a luxury for the rich...
Anonymous No.28669882 [Report] >>28669893 >>28670149
>>28669875
Also you can charge an EV with a gas generator for WAY cheaper than a gas car would go on the same amount of gallons. But that's another thread and I don't have the formula memorized. It's like 6-8 times cheaper but a very long charge time, 1.5 days for 60% charge. Would be good in SHTF for a solar/scavenged fuel set up because you can get generators for any fuel type that make electricity out of it, including propane which never expires. EVs and ebikes are going to be king in extended emergency situations. Seems off topic but again they have their place.
Anonymous No.28669893 [Report] >>28670222
>>28669882
LOL
Anonymous No.28670101 [Report] >>28670255
>>28669446
Stasi Angie also killed the decent lead Germany had in solar tech back in the early-mid '00s. In order to pacify the coal lobby, which was a major source of votes.
German solar tech companies ended up selling their IP to guess who.
Anonymous No.28670106 [Report]
>>28669225
I hope that Germany crashes so spectacularly from their Muslim immigration policy, and from their net zero energy policy, such that even the Normies look at the crash and say, wow, that's what happens when you move away from reliable electricity, and import rapist welfare bludgers
Anonymous No.28670112 [Report]
>>28669537
>He says very clearly that they should keep making ICE vehicles because they are good at it
He is right in a sense. The ability to build efficient engines was the greatest moat legacy automakers had. EVs are much simpler and everyone except Tesla started from the same spot. If Germans had any sense, they'd have fought tooth and nail to kill EVs from the outset.
Anonymous No.28670149 [Report] >>28670222
>>28669882
Anonymous No.28670155 [Report]
but I thought importing brown shitholers would make line go up forever?!
Anonymous No.28670222 [Report] >>28670248
>>28669893
>>28670149
Laugh now but I'll be buzzing by you with a much more cheaply propane fueled EV when no other cars are running.
Anonymous No.28670248 [Report]
>>28670222
lol hope it's got bulletproof windows too for your little mad max fantasy world.
Anonymous No.28670249 [Report]
>>28669861
>Hilux Champ
I FUCKING HATE SEEING WHAT I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY NEED IN A WORK VEHICLE SOLD IN EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING COUNTRY BUT THE UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
Anonymous No.28670255 [Report]
>>28670101
>Stasi Angie also killed the decent lead Germany had in solar tech back in the early-mid '00s
This is the big one.
Everyone is told to cry about muh nucular, but wind & sun are much cheaper energy sources anway. Classic CDU MO, first billions are spent on unironically decent foresight (solar industry buildup or nationwide fiberglass wiring back in the 80s), then they shut everything down because one of their donors can make a buck off that
Anonymous No.28670262 [Report]
>>28669634
Do they classify hybrids as an ev?

It's getting to the point where base model cars are becoming hybrids. If you want a Camry the base model is a hybrid now for example
Anonymous No.28670531 [Report]
>>28669505
I understand your point, but wish to clarify that TEPCO (T=Tokyo) and Tohoku Electric are different companies. The latter operated more carefully with respect to their regional history of 100-500 year megathrust quakes and took thorough protective measures which ensured their Onagawa facility remained stable and even able to offer shelter to hundreds of displaced residents. This was despite experiencing both much greater ground movement energy and tsunami from coincidental proximity to the 2011 epicenter and undersea geometry than their infamous neighbor.
Anonymous No.28670593 [Report]
>>28669875
2025 CR-V
Hybrid FWD: 40 mpg
Hybrid AWD: 37 mpg

FWD: 30 mpg
AWD: 28 mpg

So, with AWD at 10k miles/yr and $3.50 gas, it's about $291 savings per year.

2025 CR-V AWD Sport Hybrid: $36,150
2025 CR-V AWD EX: $33,850

7.9 years to break even. Hybrids do however retain resale value better than ICE. And with more mileage/more expensive gas the break even is less time.