Thread 28670278

I WANT NEW CAR

>>28670278 (OP)
And I want an old car but new.

>>28670279
>first contact with ayy lmaos
>"hey do you guys have a molecular assembler there's a bunch of parts i'd really like but they're all NOS

>>28670290
>i mean uhh, NLA. all those scalping faggots want 6 gorillion bucks for a fucking door trim

>>28670278 (OP)
>I WANT NEW CAR

I've never desired a new car. Actually I never gave a shit about cars until i started looking into 90s and early 2000s cars.

>>28670278 (OP)
Why do you want a smartphone with wheels?

>>28670299
This is supposed to be bad? These electronics give you so much cool features old cars don't have

>>28670278 (OP)
A brand new car is a biggest financial mistake an average person can make

my volvo 940 turbo with 530000 kms is better than any new car, fact

>>28670299
>give give

>>28670278 (OP)
My mom acted like this when she found out how high the tax is on new cars in my state

>>28670382
If the car is fun to drive, you don’t need bing bing wahoo.
>manual transmission
>rwd
>v6 minimum
Hell, if it’s a v8 you don’t even need a stereo. But keep in mind all those sensors and electronics make it so that more can go wrong, and it’s nigh impossible to fix.

>>28670299
oh my god is… is that… wiring for the cabin lights, power windows, and seat belt sensor?!?
AAAhhhhhh save me niggerman! I need manual locks and hand crank windows ahhhhhh!

Don't worry anon, soon it will be illegal to own cars, you'll just lease something cheaply like everyone else. Aren't you happy? And since you never owned one, your hands are blood free! Though you are no doubt guilty of countless other thought crimes!

>>28670528
dont need no fag shit

>>28670528
You're so goddamn dumb.

>>28670278 (OP)
I'm the exact opposite. I work in a professional setting (Law, I'm studying for my Bar exam), and everyone is expected to drive a nice, new car. I just want to keep driving my 5-speed japanese econobox from the 00s.

>>28670545
Get an old but classy car. It will let you stand out but in a good way. You can show off you have money but without having to drive a nucar. Something like an old bmw 7 series, or a Citroën SM. Whatever really.

>>28670563
Or just stop giving a fuck what others think and enjoy your car.

>>28670471
Let's see your povertybox

>>28670534
0_0

>>28670601
2010 mustang GT, manual. It was 12k with 85k miles.
(lens on my phone broke, and the sensor got damaged as a result-- so ignore the shitty image quality. i cannot be assed to get a new phone.)

>>28670299
this image really highlights how low IQ some people are. low IQs immediately get frightened by an image like this and come up with all sorts of conclusions instead of thinking critically

>>28670382
are you a jeet or zoomer or both?

>>28670278 (OP)
I try to avoid new cars. To much technology that my boomer dad doesn't know how to fix (he's my mechanic).

i dont inherently hate car tech, but when your front bumper contains a bunch of proprietary sensors that can only realistically be calibrated at the dealership then yea its all money grabbing desert religion

>>28670471
while sensors are technically another thing to go wrong, in practice they’re an early warning for a much more expensive thing going wrong, so they should be either lowering your maintenance bills or increasing the longevity of your car or both.

>>28670670
BMW

>>28670382
All a car really needs is aircon, phone holder and bower & wilkins. Rest is retarded

I too like to buy new and stick with it until it's fully fully end of life. Don't like the idea of buying a used car

>>28670545
Based Saul

>>28670565
Some jobs require a newer car.
Lawyers, doctors, vets, real estate agents.
A classic car also works though.
Show up in a fully restored impala or something and it's fine

>>28670632
Nobody needs to think critically to know that you are a faggot

>>28670632
High IQ anons immediately think about what to do When all that shit breaks.
But then remember they drive a 40yr old car and don't have to worry about it

>>28670767
>HELP HELP HELP IM BLEEDING OUT UMMM BEFORE YOU OPERATE ON ME CAN I SEE YOUR CAR KEYS? I DONT WANT POORFAGS UP IN MY GUTS.

>>28670382
saar I want my car to generate big boob ai porn and jerk me off while I commute to mr. shekelberg's

>>28670278 (OP)
how do you balance between getting an old cheap car and also getting a car with a nonfucked spare parts market

>>28670767
>Lawyers, doctors, vets, real estate agents.
The only one of these where your car is even tangentially connected to your work is real estate.

>>28670914
time travel back to 2011

>>28671137
fuck dude

>>28670767
Most retarded take I read today.
If anything the stupidity that reeks from your post points out the fact that some jobs are overpaid.

>>28670914
In the US? The most popular jap econobox you can find because the USDM is cooked as I hear. Maybe Ford and Chevy are viable choices.
In Europe? Same as above + anything BMW 3 or 1 series, Volkswagen exonoboxes, Peugot, Opel, and several other EUDM brands I am too tired to remember.
t. own E90 316i and parts are still plenty(though it's not that old desu)
You can still find parts for even the E36. Probably the E30 too

>>28671152
Anon, I know this confuses you.
But normal people are not gonna like seeing their doctor driving a $2,000 shit box.

The Autism makes us think differently
But that's how normal fags think.

>>28671169
>turbo i6
>300hp
Econobox really must mean something different to different people.
you say econobox and i think
>fiesta
>prism
>crx
etc

>>28670883
Dude you’ve never dailied a 40 year old car. Shit breaks from being 40 years old. 20 is the absolute limit for a reliable daily, even for jap cars.

>>28670543
You're so poor

>>28670278 (OP)
>i want floating ipad and digital guages
bruh

>>28671812
my car is 39 years old and its great

>>28670431
This, the amount of money even a basic economical ass car loses in value means you need to be a millionaire to afford this shit, niggas literally spend $28,000 on Honda Civics that all end up being worth 3K at some point, and they'll keep buying new cars or leasing over and over, which means they eat depreciation their entire life just to drive slow as fuck economy cars that are new.

>>28671842
Everything depreciates, even houses. Land is the only hard asset that doesn’t.

>>28671816
Nah, but I have functioning brains.

>>28671842
depreciation is a peak midwit thing to bring up. nobody buys a car thinking
>I’m going to drive this around for years and then turn it back into as much money or more than I paid for it
they buy a car with the mindset of
>I’m going to spend 28k on a machine I can use to make money and improve the quality of my life

I spent 18k on my car and I fully expect it to be as valuable as scrap metal when I replace it.

>>28671842
A car isn’t an asset retard. Why do midwits always talk about muh depreciation

>>28670278 (OP)
Yeah, but just think about all the crusty boogers under the driver's seat.

>>28671322
That was exactly my point you fool.
A doctor driving a cheap shitbox/econobox shouldn't look weird just because he makes a million a year
And maybe some doctors or lawyers are paid too much(that was also part of my point but you know, sallaries vary)

>>28670290
>Ayys pull out the universal translator and say, "Sorry man, same problem here. I can't get a dark-matter impulse pump for my hooptie for money or love anywhere."

>>28672944
Hey it's you again. It's the very definition of an asset, you stupid fucking nigger.

>property owned by a person or company, regarded as having value and available to meetdebts,commitments, orlegacies.

>>28673323
i think he confused investment with asset? dunno.
but yeah if you buy a fucking new bmw for 120k, then sell it a couple years later for 30k, that's not an insignificant amount of depreciation.

>>28673331
He's been screaming that cars aren't assets until he's been blue in the face for over a year on /o/. Even though they get labeled depreciating assets all the time.

>>28673331
Why would you do that instead of using the car for less than a quarter of its useful life? This is the problem with thinking of a car as a financial asset. It is primarily a tool, and it's worth and usefulness as a tool has little to do with it's monetary value.

>>28673377
fuck if i know? but it happens all the time; where do you think used cars come from? :)

>>28673381
expired leases

>>28671416
The 316i has 100hp. BMW and Mercedes make shitboxes in Europe, it's interesting seeing them have a prestige image in other countries.

>>28670767
I’m doctor and people generally get pissed and make comment if you drive a nice car.
‘Is this procedure making your car payment!?!?!’

>>28673731
Well my point of reference was the used 2011 135i e88 i had for my last car.
It was a shitbox with 90k miles that I got for $9k; BUT it definitely isn't what I'd call an econobox.
(n55, decently fast car)
As for prestige, no not at all, hah. the interior was falling apart, it creaked and rattled, some dingus thought he was some kind of tunerbro and tried wrenching on it and completely fucked up so badly my mechanic told me to "run away from this car as fast as you can."

>>28670278 (OP)
Just buy a cool old car like a Volvo 240

>>28672944
So you can't sell your car once you've paid it off?

>>28673741
Kek. Whenever I'm in a surgicenter I drive my sedan. If I'm parking at the hospital physician lot I drive my sports car.

Can't blame them. If I see a contractor come to my house in a ram trx with giant tires I'd think they're ripping me off also.

>>28674468
>Having to take a day off work to dick with a contractor.

You are getting screwed over completely. If you had money you'd be a dude who writes the check after texting the door code to a vetted, insured company.

Don't know why middle class dudes want to stand around and watch contractors talk on the phone all day. Bizarre.

>>28671812
>t. has never dailied a 20 year old car

>>28670538
Look, I like my cars pretty spartan, but I do require an engine.

>>28671322
>normal people are not gonna like seeing their doctor driving a $2,000 shit box.
Normal people think their doctor lives at the hospital (and in many cases they're not wrong). They have no idea what he drives, as evidenced by the fact you don't know how many doctors drive 30yo shitboxes because they cba to go buy a new one

>>28673331
>buy a fucking new bmw for 120k
Imagine paying that much for a "luxury" car
>then sell it a couple years later for 30k
Imagine selling your car to a stealership for a handshake and $3.50 store credit
Just because you're bad with money doesn't mean cars are a bad thing to spend money on.

>>28674592
oh my god you fucking midwit. it's an example. use any fucking numbers you want.
>buy new car
>go to trade it in
>surprised pikachu.png.bmp.jpg.tiff
if you're keeping it till the wheels fall off, that's great, this doesn't apply to you at all. fanfuckingcuntytastic.
god you people are so fucking CUNTY FUCKING RETARDED SOMETIMES. YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID CUNTY FAGGOTS.

>>28674594
This is where the fundamental misunderstanding comes in. Why would you purchase a new car, eat the depreciation, and *not* drive it until the wheels fall off?

>>28674613
You’re asking the wrong person, my car is almost old enough to have a license of its own.

>>28674589
I have multiple times. It’s doable if you can get by without a car for a day or two while parts come in, but even on a civic or Corolla shit’s going to break from being 20 years old.

>>28670278 (OP)
No, you want an old car

>>28670278 (OP)
Why? New cars are shit.

>>28670278 (OP)
i was the exact same and it came true. this is my first car and im older than 25 but everyone says i look 24. my life begins now im going to go fuck bitches in the back seat and party and travel

>>28670382
Obvious b8 is obvious but I'll bite - what cool features does a gay nucar have versus an old car?

>>28670543
His point is that those are basic wires all cars have and you're too retarded to understand it

>>28670632
What is your IQ?

>>28675313
power locks
power windows
power sun shades
backup or even panoramic cameras
rear seat climate controls
rear seat seat heaters
7,8,11,15+ speaker sound system
power adjust mirrors
powered seat and steering wheel adjust with memory
blind spot monitoring systems
automatic rear gate hitch
forward collision avoidance
rear cross traffic alert
radar cruise control
automatic high beams
automatic windshield wipers
heated windshield wipers

>>28675431
lol
lmao
I thought you would at least list a single really useful and necessary thing but you didn't. Also a third of these things already were in cars 30 years ago, if not even before that.

>>28675431
Any car since like 2010 will have the biggest qol on that list (power locks, windows, cruise control)
As to the rest cmon man, just summarize and put down
>automatic prostate simulator

>farted in seats
no way jose

>>28675431
but all of that is gay shit for women

>>28670278 (OP)
Well too bad.

>>28670279
I'm in the market for an old truck, gonna restore my first car... Hopefully.

>>28670545
> Everyone is expected
> A new car

Seriously?

>>28670278 (OP)
just buy a new suburu and make sure you stay on top of transmission maintenance.

>>28670278 (OP)
An old used car means that I have money left over to do whatever I want with it.

>>28679980
This, even if you were to take an old used car to a shop and say "make this piece of shit great again" it would still be less money than car payment+depreciation+full insurance+more expensive registration, plus an old car in great shape is a better experience than having the most expensive car your monthly budget will allow while not being able to maintain the motherfucker.

>>28670278 (OP)
>I WANT NEW CAR
>meanwhile average youth in Japan
never going to make it, bitchnigga OP

>>28677446
Don't do this, buy a ford maverick xl AWD hybrid. Dealers often carry them in white as a fleet work truck model, they're thousands less than optioning one out. It's basically a better subaru with an engine that isn't stupid. The base model has everything you need.

>>28675431
1998 car:
>power locks
yes
>power windows
only on front (and they keep failing)
>power sun shades
?????
>cameras
don't want em
>rear seat climate controls
yeah there's a vent, you open or shut it to let in the AC
>seat heaters
who cares
>speaker sound system
don't care
>power adjust mirrors
yes
>powered seat
don't want it
>steering wheel adjust
don't need it
>blind spot monitor
don't want it
>automatic reare gate hitch
???
>collision avoidance
don't want it (actively would avoid it)
>rear cross traffic alert
don't want it (actively would avoid it)
>radar cruise control
don't want it
>automatic high beams
don't want it
>automatic wipers
don't want it
>heated windshield wipers
don't wan't it

How come cruise control isn't standard? The 98 has it, but i drove a modern rental that didn;t. Also it beeped at me for some inscrutible reason.

>>28680109
That's YouTube shit Anon, the nandatos are more cooked than Americans are at car ownership, I could easily show some rich ass snot nosed American kid driving brand new Corvettes, but that's not the norm.

>>28673308
>well SHIT. does it pack a hemi?

>>28675431
Bloat

>28670382
bait post

>>28670767
My proctologist drives a brown ford probe

>>28671322
Doctors drive decade old camrys and hyundais. The nurses are the ones that show up in ML350s
https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0

>>28675431
My M5 has all that shit except radar cruise. It's mostly all useless at best, and annoying at worst. Mostly.

>>28680761
>professional abuse prober
>brown probe
seems legit

>>28683654
>abuse
anus>>28680781

>new car €60k
>old used car 100k km €30k
>old old used car 200k km €20k

>>28683772
What the hell are you looking at Anon, RWD sports cars? those things never are good used cars, , there is no way you need to spend 20,000 eurodollars to get an old car with some miles on it if it's a sensible FWD car of which there are like 6 million around.

>>28683777
i sneed a comfortable ride 4wd with more ground clearance and less noise than a toyota auris

>oh sweet gravel road
>dusty and vacant for me
>broken is my back

>>28675445
>>28675449
>>28676396
>>28680195
>>28680316
>what cool new features?
>[list of features]
>cars already had those and also I don’t want them and also you’re gay
sour grapes

>>28683780
Well shit Anon, 4WD SUVs are kinda in the realm as RWD sports cars when it comes to holding dummy amounts of value because people want them, if you're not wanting to spend a lot of money, you're not gonna be driving a 4WD SUV, either that or just pay it, take care of the thing and have something yourself that has a good residual value.

>>28683790
i guess, but an SUV is a womans car
been looking at V90 CC or A6 allroad
thinking of just buying an allroad, 100k km, €35k, and let the car dealer and insurance company rob me dry

>Buy older car from non rusty state
>Finance new engine and drivetrain
How had of an idea is this if I don't plan on selling?

>>28670278 (OP)
kit car with a crate engine you're welcome

>>28683798
>How had
I assume you mean bad? Anyways all cars are expensive it's always been a pick your poison situation. Make payments on a new car or fix things on an old car until it's restored they both have you paying over a period of time.

>>28671152
>hehe some billionaire out there has a 30 year old shitbox toyota therefore i'm just like this billionaire!
holy cope

>>28684054
No ones saying richfags don't have nice cars, but you shouldn't really be spending an obscene amount of money on cars unless you're a richfag, more people than ever are struggling due to their fucking car payment, it just is what it is.

>>28683781
It'd be sour grapes if I were stuck driving my shitmobile, but I'm not. It's reliable, it's rwd with lsd, good handling, physical controls for everything, cable throttle, hydraulic steering, good suspension, and it tows. The only thing a new car does significantly better is fuel economy.
Meanwhile the new car will have obnoxious safety features, will have a cheapola touch-screen, and I don't trust computerised systems to last.
That's even if I bought a very high end new car, which I would need to if I want to match or beat the driving quality that my old beater has. 95% of new cars are simply worse at this.

Also, I do have a new vehicle. My motorcycle is a 2020. I've also got an old 2003 motorcycle, with carbs, no fuel gauge and no ABS. I prefer the new bike's tech, but only because of the ABS. The fuel gauge sucks so much ass I'd give it and the EFI up to have a reserve tank back.

>>28670528
>seat belt sensor
usecase? 99 percent of people would turn that off if they knew how

>>28671812
>>28674996
maybe i got lucky but i dailied and hooned my 89 cressida for two years putting the same mileage the average joe clocks up in almost five years and it never gave me any trouble aside from being thirstier than usual on oil. but that was because i was redlining it at least once a week lol

>>28684995
Usecase is you forgot to put on your seatbelt. Or are you one of those people who don't believe in using seatbelts because you're the main character and accidents don't happen to you?

>>28683798
You obviously shouldn't do this if you have to finance the parts.

>>28685859
>you're the main character and accidents don't happen to you?
Kek this is what people who don't think HOLD ON isn't funny need to understand, it's more than just a stupid crash, it's boomer hubris.

>>28685859
I just want to be able to check the mail without my car cunting at me nonstop for the half mile down the lane to the mailbox.
>ding
>ding
>ding ding
Shut the fuck up. It’s a gravel lane, I’m driving 10 mph.safety mom faggotry needs to stop.

>>28685859
>>28685866
i mean the times that i forgot to put on my seat belt it was when i noticed i had a lot more freedom of movement. it's kinda hard to not notice the shoulder belt pulling you back
fortunately for me it's just an unconscious habit to put it on.

>>28685859
I'm my main character and even I wear a seatbelt because movies have taught me that if someone ever tries to make an escape by jumping into the passenger seat and points a weapon at me I can get up to speed and slam on the brakes and they'll go through the windshield and then I can run them over

Complete newfag here. Am I really that stupid for wanting a new car?
I wanted to plan for the future and get something that can last as long as possible but as far as I can tell I'm just gonna get fucked no matter what I do. I don't know how long newer cars will actually last in the age of planned obsolescence, 3-4 year old used cars seem like they're only slightly cheaper, and I'm willing to learn how to wrench if I found a good older car but I still don't know what the fuck I even want
The money's not really my concern, but I don't want to waste money if I could find a smarter option

>>28685947
Yeah it's a trap, only buy new if it's something so exotic only dealer support is your option
Scotty Kilmer may be king of the clickbait but he is a wellspring of knowledge when it comes to buying used
If you want something fun or flashy get a motorcycle, chicks are into Euro 125cc scooters (be sure it has seating for two) seriously, they're programmed to dig scooter bois

>>28675431
>power locks
fair
>power windows
not needed imo but nice
>power sun shades
this is the first time ive heard of this, sounds stupid
>backup or even panoramic cameras
not needed but nice, not a deal breaker either way
>rear seat climate controls
people in the rear seat can deal with my settings
>rear seat seat heaters
seat heaters/warmers are dumb AF and I will not change my opinion on them
>7,8,11,15+ speaker sound system
fair
>power adjust mirrors
fair
>powered seat and steering wheel adjust with memory
memory? do we really need all this?
>blind spot monitoring systems
surely you can lean forward to see the blind spot in the mirror?
>automatic rear gate hitch
most cars dont need to drag a trailer, when was the last time any of you needed to, that dont have a truck for that purpose?
>forward collision avoidance
keep your eyes on the road moron
>rear cross traffic alert
keep your eyes open, back out slowly, dont be stupid?
>radar cruise control
cruise control is something I cant trust, much less with radar
>automatic high beams
I hate these with a passion, learn to change the high beams yourself
>automatic windshield wipers
half the time they dont work, go back to 6 speed wipers
>heated windshield wipers
just use defrost and preheat the car in this instance

>>28670278 (OP)
I got a new car this year and I want an old car again.
Really hate the touchscreens, cars really need to go pack to the 3 knob aircon.
On the plus side, cooled seats and 360 cameras are really nice.

>>28685859
>>28686186
My new Z has neither of these issues
Surely there are other non-cucked new cars?

>>28670278 (OP)
My car is 23 years old. and everything on it just fucking werks. I've driven 85 on some pretty rough and remote side roads, and not even my circa 2003 audio system hitched, ever, while playing my CD that includes this, nor anything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSZtpMGYUg4&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY8Kvtts9mI6h98S14u7Q807&index=22

>>28686265
*I suppose I kind of cheated. Adjusted for inflation it cost about 80K in 2035 dollars, but I got it for a mere 7k about 8 years ago, with 28k miles on it. I was in a hurry, but knew the value of what I saw the minute I got into it. I wrote a check for it and drove off without the dealer questioning it.

>>28686309
*Oops, 2025 dollars. Also, it's kind of fun to lose big trughs in your rear view mirror when on interstates paved level and smooth as a runway for 10 miles. My displacement is generally about the same, but my air resistance about 1/3rd. I can hardly feel the difference between 70 and 110 on roads like that.

>>28686172
>powered seat and steering wheel adjust with memory
>memory? do we really need all this
it's pretty nice if your wife drives the car sometimes. she gets in, presses one button, seats in her position. you get in, press another, goes back to the way you like it.

>>28686378
Didn't think of it that way, being the kiss-less touch-less virgin I am.
Still it could probably be a van or SUV only thing where is it more needed. Or like a $10 addon.

>>28686378
>he lets his wife drive his car
i bet you let her use your pc too you sick fuck

>>28673377
This. I keep my trucks for 12+ years so having a nice solid vehicle that will last me a long time that I will enjoy is worth the money and depreciation doesn't effect me as much. I still look at the truck I bought 2 years ago when I walk away from it and I'm very happy with it even though it costed me a good amount of money.

>>28685947
Buy one with 15k miles that's a year or 2 old which eats the bulk of initial deprecation but assures you it hasn't been beat up too bad. Change the fluids often and sleep easy knowing its been taken care of since basically new. Do your research into the drive train of the car you want for the year you are looking at there are plenty of good cars still being made.

>>28686736
I regret trading in my old truck everyday, sure it never ran, and hasn't passed inspection for 4 years in a row, but i loved it dammit.

>>28672944
>A car isn’t an asset retard. Why do midwits always talk about muh depreciation
>midwit thinks an asset is something that doesn't depreciate and calls others midwits
kek. Go back to r/finance or whatever shithole you crawled out of.

>>28683781
>sour grapes
No I'm just not a onions infused faggot who requires stupid toys to keep him occupied. All a car needs for comfort is power steering, power brakes and AC, everything else is stupid bullshit waiting to inevitably break.

>>28689994
is the modern wave of techs0y due to people being reliant on GPS apps?
I can't think why anybody would really care other than showing off all the dumb toys

>>28670278 (OP)
Debtmaxx

>>28685947
90% of this board is minimum wage workers who seethe at everyone else so always take their opinions with a grain of salt

>>28690041
>is the modern wave of techs0y due to people being reliant on GPS apps?
I don't think so. I believe NPCs work off a simple rule of "more things = more betterer", especially if they get it on a discount.

>>28690425
Kek normies will buy anything if they think they're winning and getting a good deal, when I'm at the store they play ads like spend $100 or more and save $15, and it sounds ridiculous, but you've got people who will go out of their way chasing perceived savings and points, the manipulation an gamification are fascinating.

>>28670278 (OP)
I did new car once. DESU I swapped it for a bloody nice used one about three years later.
If you want clean as F new then lease makes sense, you get a different new every couple of years and if SHTF it isn't your problem.
The downer is you never OWN a lease car.
My current one is a used cash buy.

>>28690041
GPS on a screen is infinitely more usable than collecting road atlases you geriatric retard.

>>28690545
GPS is useful but is about as reliable as Netflix streaming that movie only you watch.
They will have to come calling to take away that paper map.

>>28690609
Literally can't even remember the last time I couldn't get GPS signal. Even out in the mountains with no cell service, there's always more than enough sats in the sky to get good GPS data. Just gotta make sure you have your maps saved locally.
Basically the only place in the world where you'll see notably degraded service is on the frontlines in Ukraine where it's being actively jammed.

>>28670382
Like having your ECU hacked amd car stolen through the canbus that for some fucking reason is connected to the headlight? The future sure is great.
https://youtube.com/shorts/1XDZmFpSjDE?si=O3XDc2qoLtCQ6IF3

>>28690545
ok millennial
you do realise if you just memorise your route beforehand, you don't need any map at all?
it gets easier every time, I know from memory where the roads go

>>28690784
Yeah no shit you don't need a map if you know where you're going, but sometimes you have to navigate a little, and having a live digital map with a search function is so much more convenient than any alternative.

>>28690641
Toyota has been getting some really bad PR these last few years. Glad I went honda.

>>28670279
This.

>>28690821
just look it up beforehand
you can make little deviations if you have a sense of direction
and you can keep a street directory if you really get confused. Normally I don't carry a map and usually not my phone if I it's less than maybe 4 hours away, it works fine.

>>28691224
>you can keep a street directory if you really get confused
and why would I do that when I have an infinitely more usable one in my pocket all the time?

>>28691228
do it if you want but I don't like carrying a phone around. the government tracks it, you have to keep it charged and people can bug you at any time
your car also tracks you if it's new.

>>28691234
Your car is being tracked even if it's old.
https://deflock.me/

>>28691248
>yeah there are a few cameras on intersections and highways bro, who cares bro just install the GPS tracker

>>28691248
Why is this allowed?

>>28692668
Because ACAB

>>28692668
Because they just started doing it without asking and it has yet to be fought in the courts.

>>28670278 (OP)
could have got one of these new but got laid off
fml

>>28692668
because you don't have rights, goyim

>>28675431
the only feature i want is waymo-style autopilot

>>28672903
Boomer shit. They all bought a brand new IROC-Z for $7000 and barely drove it more then 20k miles in 40 years and now want $56k for it.

>>28672903
You are actually an exception, not the majority. Majority of people now a day lease or buy a new car constantly. Most consider their cars to be "dead weight" right as manufacture warranty ended, which is what? 60k miles? and immediately try to get rid of it for a new car. A good number of people don't even get to the manufacturer warranty and just trade in when "the next gen" of the car they want get released

>>28670545
Read what you just typed again you fucking sheep. Your supposed to be smart how are incapable of seeing the big picture. Give up on law and kys. You being involved in resolving the legal issues will make the world a worse place.

>>28670670
That would be great if they didn't burn out before the part they are monitoring 90% of the time. It is really awesome when they hide codes detected behind a proprietary scanner and make it so the car doesn't start if the sensor fails.

KILL YOURSELF YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING


former multiple early 2000s BMWs owner

>>28683796
Buy Subaru Legacy and run into ground.