Thread 28687014

>Make CAFE standard flat across all model types (not semis and full tons obviously, but from subcompact to SUV) This will result in small cars having more leeway to have sporty models thanks to the overhead provided by trucks.
>Half-tons and up require a CDL. If you need it for productive truck stuff anyway, it shouldn't be an issue.

fuck you i wanna cruise in a decomissioned grain truck

>>28687014 (OP)
>more government regulation will fix things

>>28687014 (OP)
revoke all CAFE/CARB standards
let engineers make cars and trucks again. demonrats are absolute cunts who FUCKING LOVE TO REGULATE THINGS THEY HAVE NO GOD DAMN UNDERSTANDING OF
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>28687023
Make CAFE fixed is actually a reduction in regulation, and expanding CDL requirements is an expansion. It's a net neutral change that results in less incentive to make trucks (lighter economy requirements) and lower demand on trucks (people that can't drive worth shit no longer buy long bed superduties or 10,000lb hummer EVs because they can't pass a CDL.)

>>28687023
I personally quite like government regulation

>>28687023
kys

>>28687014 (OP)
>yes goy pay thousands of dollars and waste weeks of time to drive something as simple as a pickup truck.
You should probably kys thinking gov intervention is the way

>>28687014 (OP)
>Eliminate CAFE standards
>Eliminate EU car emissions standards for good measure
>Kill cyclists
>Roll coal on anyone who complains
That's the real optimal solution

>>28687014 (OP)
oh nooo it's a few inches longer and omg the cab can fit 4 people comfortably?!?
NO >:(
BIG DADDY GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN BECAUSE MY FEELINGS ARE HURT
I GET TO DECIDE WHAT YOU NEED! ME
I AM THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS NESSISARY
I AM THE DECIDER OF WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY ON
THE THINGS I LIKE AND CAN AFFORD ARE GOOD AND THE THINGS YOU LIKE AND PURCHASE ARE BAD

>>28687099
>Drive something as simple as a pickup truck
Hey it's not my fault pickup drivers demonstrably cannot handle driving it more than any other vehicle.
>>28687108
I own a pickup, the point of this is to address the complaints about cars becoming fuckhuge bloatmobiles. Either you need to force a change in market direction or you cannot complain about 5000lb sports coupes, there's no third option.

>>28687014 (OP)
This is a 1966 crew cab short bed step side 4x4.
This is a factory configuration.

>more leeway to have sporty model
You have no "need" for a sporty model.
Public roads are not your private track..

Remember how the left started the cancel culture and were giddy with joy but now theyre crying when liberals are themselves being cancelled?
Trucks and sports cars are 2 sides of the same coin. Take away one and youll lose the other.
The universe demands balance.

>>28687014 (OP)
This is a 1966 crew cab short bed step side 4x4.
This is a factory configuration.

>more leeway to have sporty model
You have no "need" for a sporty model.
Public roads are not your private track..

Remember how the left started the cancel culture and were giddy with joy but now theyre crying when liberals are themselves being cancelled?
Trucks and sports cars are 2 sides of the same coin. Take away one and youll lose the other.
The universe demands balance.

>>28687110
When are we banning blacks and Asians from driving? Far far more dangerous and would have an actual effect of road safety.

>>28687031
CAFE standards were introduced to reduce dependence on foreign, imported oil which leaks GDP out of the country.

>>28687014 (OP)

Lol. So they got ever so slightly taller, slightly longer, and a crew cab? And this is what everyone is crying about???

>>28687056
shut the fuck up. deregulate..

>>28687127
We make money importing oil and exporting refined product

>>28687275
The loss of utility is the problem. Modern trucks are barely any different from minivans.

>>28687104
>become Beijing 2.0 overnight
Shut the fuck up

Meanwhile in EU
>CDL(C) vehicles requires logging and has max driver distances due resting time enforcement for commercial use
>C1, and weight capped B don't

>>28687023
Its more that commercial trucking requires some regulation to work.
Passenger traffic don't to the same degree, but cities really require long term smog/emission regulations to function.

So a lot of caveats.

>>28688722
Do you think before you speak?

>>28687110
73% in cars to 81% in trucks doesn't really seem like a significant enough difference to even bother noting it.

>>28687117
>This is a factory configuration.
You left out special order. Dealers didn't have those on lots. The only people who bought those were loggers and miners. You would never even see one on the road.

No one wanted to be seen in a truck until recently. Driving a truck meant you were white trash so everyone wanted a big luxury car. Now everyone wants to look white trash.

>>28688829
you're so dumb. the ford f series has been the best selling vehicle for 42 years in a row. what exactly is your definition of "recently"?

>>28688829
yee bohi

>>28688839
>the ford f series has been the best selling vehicle for 42 years in a row.
How many pickups have there been on the market? Now how many different kinds of cars are there on the market? You had hundreds of different cars to choose from, or like 4 pickups.

That marketing wank isn't as impressive as it sounds.

>>28688829
Hmm, should I choose a liberal brainwashing printed on fancy paper or something that has actual tangible value...

Good choice Cletus!

Whats really hilarious is that a Tesla outweighs my 4x4 truck by over 1,000 pounds.
Urbanite NPCs complain about truck bloat while driving arpund a 5,000 pound lithium bomb.

>>28688876
it doesn't matter. you said "No one wanted to be seen in a truck"
clearly a lot of fucking people did

>>28687023
>>28687031
Nothing to do with regulation, it is a reddit myth. Americans just want big cars because they want to be safe in their dangerous roads and because fuel is cheap as hell. Take all regulations away and Americans will keep buying F350s to pick up their obese children from school and "haul" groceries.

>>28688951
Remove negros and America's obesity rate is on par with Belgium.
Remove Hispanics also and he U.S. has a lower obesity rate than virtually every european nation.

Post flag.
Let's check out some statistics for your country.

>>28688937
The people who bought trucks used them for work, Bubba.
>>28688951
Bigger vehicles is why the roads are more dangerous. Bigger vehicles are far more likely to have accidents which is why they actually aren't safer to drive. Doesn't help that modern truck hood design means you can't see shit in front of you, unlike trucks 20 years ago.

>>28688963
It is a prisoner's dilemma. You either drive an SUV/pickup or risk losing to one in the inevitable crash.

>>28688963
I don’t think they are more dangerous or more likely to have accidents. Similar class of trucks have pretty much always had similar sight lines. I can hop in a 3/4 ton from almost 50 years ago and it’s very similar to a brand new one.

>>28688963
Tesla weighs more than either of those trucks.
Checkmate.

>>28688977
Bigger vehicles are more likely to have crashes since they are bigger. Smaller vehicles are less likely to have crashes because they are smaller and smaller also makes them easier to avoid accidents.

And no, sight lines are worse now than they used to be. Commercial vehicles are required by law to be able to see what is front of them, which is why their hoods and seating arrangements are they way they are. P*ickups on the other hand now have flatter hoods that also jut upwards in front of the windshield.

>SUV runs over the person they can't see because their tall hood
>the van can see because the hood sloops down

>>28688712
>We
Who is "we"? Oil companies in the US may as well be foreign countries.

I think cars are bloated for safety standards, not CAFE/CARB. My 94 Ford has only 1 airbag, but my other newer cars have airbags everywhere. You need physical space for curtain air bags. Then you're also designing the body to redirect all crumple forces away from the occupants. Still, CAFE and CARB should be deleted. I want the Focus ST turbo diesel to sell here, but CARB has killed passenger diesels.

>>28689050
I really don’t believe you when you say they are more likely to have accidents of any actual difference. I don’t know what to tell you but sight lines are pretty much the same, in fact I’d say new is safer due to cameras being mandatory and bitch anytime you get close to anything.

you can tell trucklets don't know what they're talking about when you remember that ford was selling more f series in the 1970s than they were in the 2020s.

>>28689073
There is no safety reason why trucks gotten wider and taller. They gotten fatter because manufacturers have less stringent fuel requirements on vehicles with wider footprints. Of course, the manufacturers themselves wrote the laws so they can push bigger vehicles because SUVs and trucks have higher profit margins.

>>28689094
The rising pedestrian deaths suggest otherwise. They wouldn't need cameras and sensors if you could actually see what is in front or behind you.

>>28689115
>The rising pedestrian deaths suggest otherwise
Ya it totally doesnt have anything to do with importing millions of third worlders who have never touched a car until they got to the U.S.....

>>28689073
Well Trump said fuck CARB. We're going back to 49 state models.

>>28689115
Yeah that’s cause white people are disappearing 70 iq mystery meat doesn’t drive anything well.

>>28687023
This is a superficial take. It's more correct to say that government regulation that doesn't address the underlying demand for a use-case is completely powerless to stop the market.
In this case, cars bloat because, people need to use cars to transit to where they need to go, they need to feel safe while doing so, and because car size is perceived as a status symbol. Regulation would need to address any of these three factors, but unfortunately the car and fossil fuel industries actively lobby to make cars more necessary and thus roads more unsafe, and so they cannot be addressed.

>>28687023
Anon this a reduction, it makes CAFE a one size fits all. Trucks still have to adhere to the same regs as before but smaller vehicles get more leeway
The CDL changes are unironically welcome, it will make people consider if they truly need a real big boy truck or not
Besides, only richfags can afford big trucks, they will shell out for a cdl if they want one.

>>28689050
Retarded nigger wearing all black at night ignores cars that obviously aren't looking for pedestrians. This is in Brooklyn everybody in this video is brown. Also i had a 96 ram 1500 that didn't have good visibility over the good it's not magically a nutruck problem

>>28688905
You'd have to be susceptible to brainwashing in the first place, meaning you're dumb. So an education would help you doubly.

>>28688829
>You left out special order. Dealers didn't have those on lots.
Nope,
Local Chevy dealer had half a dozen Kodiaks on the lot during the Obama administration. The only thing Barak sold more of was AR-15s.

>>28688712
>We make money importing oil
Not anymore. Thanks to fracking, we are self sufficient.

>>28689155
Pickups will never require a CDL. Your little fantasy is on par with banning firearms.
There's 50 million pickups in the U.S.

Its hilarious that youre ok with 800hp in a hellcat or 1,000hp in a tesla plaid but you cry like a little bitch when you see a truck.
It also shows how sedentary your lifestyle is. The concept of using a pickup on occasion is completely alien to you because you're such a lazy, worthless piece of shit that exists only to pay taxes.

>>28689753
Post truck.
Better not be a crew cab.

>>28688958
All groups in the south of america are fatter than northern america, regardless of race.

>>28689679
I have literally never seen one of those things on the road. That also isn't a 60s crew cab pickup.

>>28689769
Get some new material, I've posted my trucks so often that you've either seen them so there's no need to post them again or youre a newfag and theres no reason to post them again.

>>28690246
Concession accepted.
Please assume the breeding position.

>>28690246
>noooo why don't you recognize me on an anonymous Pakistani panflute enthusiast forum!
>don't you know who I am?!?!

>>28690249
>>28690265
1 of 6 trucks.
How many do you want to see?

Post your shitbox.
Post the view from your 300 sq/ft apartment..
Post your "battlestation" gaming setup where you spend the majority of your life.
Post your minimum wagecuck paystub.

>>28687014 (OP)
>Half-tons and up require a CDL
I'd be ok with just that honestly.

>>28688963
>The people who bought trucks used them for work, Bubba.
>you're a redneck if you confront me with facts!
You leftenshits are mentally crippled.

>>28691178
oh you're the namefag tranny who posts legs. scarlett or whatever right? dig your work gurl keep on with ya bad self

>>28687014 (OP)
outlawing land barges poisoned the truck market

>>28691350
Land barges got outlawed because non-trucks had different emissions rules than trucks

>>28687023
Second post best post, every reply to the contrary is an inorganic shill

>>28691319
Who the fuck are you talking about?
Take your meds.

>>28688951
Take your hitch out of the receiver if you’re not towing that day.

>>28687023
the problem isn't regulation itself, it's retarded legislators making the wrong regulations. we can do away with their bullshit while we introduce the common sense stuff.

>>28691707
>Take your hitch out of the receiver if you’re not towing that day.

Nah.

>>28691178
Fucking kek, look at all that seethe. Why would anyone care enough to remember your rustbucket on fucking 4chan?

>>28691707
No

>>28689753
>Its hilarious that youre ok with 800hp in a hellcat or 1,000hp in a tesla plaid but you cry like a little bitch when you see a truck.
That's because physics exists. They're heavy as fuck, they rollover easily, they can't brake for shit, when they do hit a regular sedan it's at eye-level instead of door level. And it wouldn't be a problem if people actually used them for work but somehow they because a symbol of the "hardworking amurican" despite the fact that less than 20% of truck cucks use them more than twice a year for truck related shit. Its just blind retarded consumerism tied into a manchilds insecurities and identity crisis.

"Hurrdurr i werk blu collar, butter buy a truck. Yeah I'm a welder what do you mean i don't need a truck. I just drive from my house to the jobsite and start inhaling fumes of course I need a truck for that. Well I tow a 500lbs fishing boat twice a year so a v8 should be enough for that. Yeah i dropped out of highschool how can you tell."

>>28691707
I just steal them and sell them online for 10$ a pop. Pays for my groceries every week.

>>28691795
>fact
Opinion

>>28691802
>no argument provided
Because I'm right.

>>28691805
>fact

>>28688958
40% of non hispanic white americans are obese
20% of all belgians are obese
No european country reaches 40% obesity
You "white" burgers try to lie like this in every fucking argument, in spite of being so easy to disprove

>>28688829
Imagine thinking college degrees are worth anything in 2025.

>>28691795
>That's because physics exists. They're heavy as fuck
A tesla weighs more than my 4x4 truck

>>28687023
It's kinda nice being able to see the mountains around LA and breathe the air without burning my lungs

>>28691775
Lol, that truck is worth more than you make in a year. And its just a fun little project i picked up.
Must suck to be a nocar busriding poorfag like yourself.
Post your shitbox or go back to /mlp/, faggot.

>>28692022
You really aren't helping the stereotype of truckfags being raging, insecure faggots, holy kek.

>>28691798
Basado

>>28692107
Look, another retard.
Its called escalation of force.
Now go back and look at the conversation and tell me who took it up a level first.

>>28692404
You, raging nigger. One guy made some points about CAFE and CDLs
>>28689155
and you responded with insults and seethe
>>28689753
You're not very bright.

>>28692696
How the hell did I insult you?
I am only asking for you to relinquish a drop of melanin and exhibit some white behavior once in your life.
I am not demanding or even asking you to relinquish your truck, eat the bugs or live in the pod.
I am asking you to not shit up the roads for everybody else that uses them.

>>28692763
If you're not the seething truckold, you're not the one that I said insulted anyone.

>trucks are dangerous because theyre so heavy!!!
>"drives an EV thats 25% heavier"

Anti-truck fags are the biggest hypocrites.
Their mental gymnastics are olympic gold medal tier.

>>28691962
Again, you retarded highschool dropout, its not just weight, it's about vehicle dynamics. If someone runs a left turn on a red your truck would either roll over trying to go around them, or t-bone them face-level. A tesla would go around them or t-bone them in the door where there's actual protection. Your bro truck is not safer than an ev. And youre mentally retarded if you think otherwise.

>>28693304
>Automatically jump to "bro truck" in an attempt to be as derogatory as poasible.
Let's look at the actual facts.
>vast majority of trucks on the road are stock.
>bumpers have their own height mandate.
>being hit by a 4,000 pound truck is less damgerous than 5,500 pound tesla per science

Once again you've been btfo so hit the bricks, fucknut.

>>28688963
>it's tall so I can see better
>proceeds to stop 2.5 car lengths short of every intersection because they can barely see over their dash

>>28693473
>trucktard thinks dynamics of collisions and relative danger to occupants in a crash is as simple as just looking at the kinetic energy of the vehicles
fucking lel

>>28693473
Why are truck cucks so retarded, someone please explain it to me.
Its like theres a direct corelation between having a low iq and driving a truck. And the bigger the truck the lower the iq. This phenomenon needs to be studied.

>>28687023
Serious question, if regulation is bad, but every major instance of deregulation or lack of regulation has resulted in shittier quality, worse outcomes, corporate consolidation, and at times market collapse (big tech, big media and broadcasting, airlines, sawdust in food, 2008, etc), what is the alternative? Every argument I've seen against the idea that we'd just get a market full of gigamonopolies that squeeze us for cash ends up boiling down to "it just wouldn't happen" which doesn't make any sense considering it already happens today, and even all the serious libertarian economists that I've seen agree monopolies are bad and lead to bad outcomes.

>>28687014 (OP)
>>Make CAFE standard flat across all model types (not semis and full tons obviously, but from subcompact to SUV)
INTRODUCING THE NEW FORD F-150 ROADMASTER

>>28687127
good thing it's not the 1970s anymore, we are a net oil exporter now

>>28688750
Beijing is shit because it's filled with Chinese people, not because the cars don't have catalytic converters.

>eurotrash astroturfing and projecting their lack of space onto America
a day that ends in Y
we drive trucks because our roads can fit them, just like how (you) take the bus because you can't afford a car.

>>28691354
and if we eliminated the exemptions for trucks it wouldn't bring back land barges, it would just kill small and medium businesses that rely on fleet sale discounts of trucks and vans.

>>28691968
smog in LA was caused by the industrial sector the city used to have, but has since been gutted and outsourced to Mexico.

>>28693612
>big tech
there are more tech companies now than there were in the 80s, and the tech is better
>big media
see above, until the 1980s all you had was CBS, NBC, and ABC. Now we get a thousand channels with whatever niche nonsense you want.
>airlines
the market wanted the cheapest airfare possible so that's what it got. if you want the pre-deregulation experience, pay for business class tickets on an airline other than Southwestern or some other budget line. don't want to because of the cost? it's cheaper than the pre-deregulation prices were.
>sawdust in food
fake news
>2008
caused by government intervention in the housing market, because dems believed "if you have a pulse you deserve a house".

>>28693509
>being hit by a baseball traveling at 70 mph vs being hit by a bowling ball traveling at 70 mph.
Yes weight has the greatest effect in a collision. Its basic math.
I thought trannys like yourself believed in science (?)
>>28693533
>argument falls apart because they cant refute any of the facts so they resort to ad hominems.
What a pathetic loser.

>>28694692
>weight has the greatest effect in a collision
>weight
Fucking kek
>a car crash is like a baseball hitting a bowling ball
See again: >>28693509

>>28694497
>there are more tech companies now than there were in the 80s, and the tech is better
This is ignoring the state of the market. All those smaller companies are doing irrelevant things with minimal market impact. The major aspects of technology are all owned by monopolies and duopolies. There are two market-relevant personal operating systems. There are two market-relevant mobile operating systems. There are three market-relevant backend operating providers. Amazon shitting itself recently wiped out half the internet. This is textbook monopolization.

>see above, until the 1980s all you had was CBS, NBC, and ABC. Now we get a thousand channels with whatever niche nonsense you want.
This is provably untrue. Googling any media ownership chart shows you that the number of market relevant media companies has declined substantially, especially since telecom deregulation in the 90's. Youtubers and independent stations that buy programming from the media giants have minimal market relevancy.

>the market wanted the cheapest airfare possible so that's what it got.
It came at the cost of severe line trimming, industry consolidation, and loss / removal of travel benefits. Isn't the argument that we're supposed to get better service for less due to competition and not worse service for less due to collaboration? "The market successfully raced to the bottom and offers less alternatives than ever" isn't a great sales pitch.

>fake news
https://www.cornucopia.org/2017/11/brief-history-wood-pulp-food/
Even if you don't want to believe this, do you really think we should open the floodgates to what people can put into food? Do you really trust corporations to not take a shortcut and poison you?
>the market will filter that out!
We've tried this already and it's poor consolation if you're one of the people that die first.
https://www.popsci.com/health/food-safety-before-fda/

>>28694497
>>28694783
>caused by government intervention in the housing market, because dems believed "if you have a pulse you deserve a house".
Many economists believe Glass–Steagall would have stymied the conditions that created 2008. If you don't believe that, what hand did the government actually have in the mortgage crisis? The government wasn't who decided that everyone should have a house, banks decided that everyone should have a *mortgage,* because they believed that they had quantified mortgage-backed securities into infallible parcels that could generate returns even upon default. They wanted as many mortgages as possible in order to create as many packages at possible, and misunderestimated the level of catastrophe if there was massive marketwide failure. Can you point to what the government did that created this market-driven runaway?

>>28694783
Also, forgot pic.

>>28687014 (OP)
Taxes and insurance based on vehicle weight. The more bloated and heavy a car the more you have to pay. There, job done. It's also universal for every country in the world.

>>28694913
I agree
>1965 F100 Big Block short bed- 3,500 pounds.
>Tesla Plaid- 5,400 pounds.

>>28694786
>They wanted as many mortgages as possible in
order to create as many packages at possible
This. Monry was made selling artficial paper. Only suckers sat on mortgage-backed securtities.

Also, (((Greenspan))) screamed like a stuck pig when regulators tried to get on top of synthetic securities. Credit Default Swaps are essentially insurance against default. But they sold something like $5 of coverage on each $1 of security. With no checks on insurable interest. If I sold 5 fire insurance policies on my house, I'm certain it would burn down.

It was regulators asleep at the wheel.

>>28693304
>Your bro truck is not safer than an ev.
Yes it is. Because me t-boning your EV at your face level is down below my feet in my trucl.

>>28689169
Nta, but you're retarded if you don't think new vehicles have shit visibility over the hood.

I had a 99 dodge 1500 and the hood visibility was far superior to modern vehicles. When I was test driving the new trucks, it was the first fucking thing that was noticed.

>>28691178
I think I know the rest of the trucks you post. Drive way with 6 parked 3x2, couple 90s. Michigan plates?

>>28697351
Never been to Michigan.

I know the anon you speak of with the F series collection though. Im rather jealous, I have a Tear drop, Burnp side, Bull nose and a Jelly bean. Id like to pick up a Fat fender and a Dent side at some point. Neighbor has a clean as fuck suoercab dent side im trying to get but the fat fender is probably a lost cause at this point.

>>28691812
Okay what % of "non hispanic whites" are southern/eastern european or jewish or of irish descent
we need to remove those as well.
>20% of all belgians are obese
jesus christ

>>28687014 (OP)
We don't have those laws in my country
They sell cars you can't get in the US
But cars are still bloated and gay

>>28697873
The "non hispanic White" category is a catch-all for everything from gypsies to street shitters to goat fuckers.
You will never see a legitimate demographic list