Thread 28695081

Why are sedans even a thing when wagons can do everything sedans can, plus:
>they have significantly more cargo space
>they look much cooler
I just dont get why sedans are normal why wagons are an exotic rarity. If you want sportiness you get a coupe, if you want utility you get a wagon. Sedans are just a pointless inbetween. Having owned a wagon Im never buying a sedans ever, I just dont see the point.

>what if we took a sedan and made it 20% heavier, ugly as shit, and designed it to appeal solely to grandmothers
yeah OP real shocker these aren't flying off the lot

>>28695095
>20% heavier
Yeah desu my d-pillar is definitely reinforced concrete.

>>28695095
wagons usually weigh more or less the same as sedans, and its not like even a 20% increase is significant in real world conditions
>ugly as shit
you have no taste. wagons have that presence, stateliness, sedans look too basic. even cars that look kinda crappy in a sedan form usually look okay as wagons (mitsu lancers, most 3 series bmws and kiyundais come to mind). whoever promotes the idea that wagons are "old fart cars" is a moron honestly

>>28695111
Sorry bud but obviously the car-buying public agrees, wagons look like shit
They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car

>>28695125
Yet most stereotypical old mans cars only come as sedans. Curious!

>>28695111
>>28695100
I weighed my E34 540i touring and it weighed just over 200lbs more than the closest spec sedan weight I could find on the forums. It was years ago but that was the result.
>2 extra windows
>hatch with wiper and washer reservoir
>2ft ish of extra roofline
>double sunroof instead of the smaller one in the sedan
I think most of the extra weight is the glass and the sunroof. Unfortunately the higher models were never available without that shitty sunroof, mine did not work and leaked.

>>28695111
i have a spec sheet for the exact same car, same year, same powertrain

Unladen, DIN for the wagon is 175 lb heavier and the wagon Cd is significantly worse at 0.31 vs 0.26 for the sedan

>Why are sedans even a thing when CUVs can do everything sedans can, plus:
>>they have significantly more cargo space
>>they look much cooler
>I just dont get why sedans are normal why CUVs are an exotic rarity. If you want sportiness you get a coupe, if you want utility you get a CUV. Sedans are just a pointless inbetween. Having owned a CUV Im never buying a sedans ever, I just dont see the point.
>>28695111
>CUVs have that presence, stateliness

nnnooo you can't do both thats not alloooooooowed

>>28695189
cuckovers have a shitload of drawbacks. their center of gravity is extremely high making them handle like shit and prone to rollover, they have worse visibility and the extra sheetmetal makes them heavier then regular cars. they also objectively look like shit because they are esentially regular cars trying to look like offroaders and failing miserably-essentially trannies of the car world

why do you care that the center of gravity is higher but not when it's farther back? especially since modern estates are all FWD.

>>28695290
>prone to rollover
To an utterly negligible degree, and they're still safer overall than small cars
Chuds just seethe about crossovers because they're nice cars for people with families and jobs, not decades-old shitboxes for the unemployed

reject SUVs
retvrn to wagons

>>28695081 (OP)
>If you want sportiness you get a coupe
>if you want utility you get a wagon
Or, you can combine those in to one model and reduce your RnD costs.

Jokes aside you're literally describing small crossovers. Just look at the Subaru Crosstrek and tell me that isn't a station wagon.

>>28695081 (OP)
I've got a hot take for you:
Every front engine coupe with a back seat would be 100% improved by being a hatchback instead.

>>28695191
Why aren't all sedans like this?

>>28695365
Ehh depends. If the wagon is $100k and 5000lbs then you might as well just go with an SUV at that point. Handling is irrelevant at that point and an SUV is infinitely more practical. Even something like a 3900lb Outback at $40k+ doesn't make much sense when you can get a large crossover a an entry level pickup at that point.

Wagons look gay and ugly. Sedans look cool and stylish. I'd rather just get a hatchback than ugly wagon. I'm also a light traveller, I don't item hoard. People don't buy wagons anymore as they are weird ugly abominations.

>>28695081 (OP)
>they look much cooler
i like wagons but even i know this is REALLY grasping at straws now.

Wagons look like sedans holding in a big constipated shit.

>>28695081 (OP)
My sedan has 520l boot size, the e91 only has 460

>>28695081 (OP)
>>they have significantly more cargo space
>>they look much cooler
lol
lmao

>>28695133
>cuck has to compromise with his wife
Yes, truly a mystery why they buy them

>>28695629
That's a hatchback, retard

>>28695081 (OP)
>they look much cooler
Anything with a hatchback is a mom car

>>28695081 (OP)
they're ugly and like that was not enough they also put those ugly railings on the roof.

>>28695081 (OP)
wagonmen.... i SNEED a new car and Volvo has stopped producing the V90 CC and even stopped producing the V90
is A6 Allroad the only viable option left?
530d xdrive?

>>28695125
>They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car
>Highest-selling body style for a car has been the crossover for almost a decade
Yeah, bro, people totally care about "good looks" when buying a car.

>>28695991
Young people aren't the ones buying new cars THOUGH

>>28695125
>They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car
>he thinks people are buying for looks
Yeah that's why the crossover segment has been killing sedans off for the past 10 years.

>>28695125
>They trade looks for storage space

Uh bud, the top 5 best selling cars for 2025 according to KBB
>Rav4 (crossover)
>CR-V (crossover)
>Equinox (crossover)
>Camry (sedan)
>Model Y (crossover)
Looks like trading looks for storage space is pretty damn popular.

>>28695638
>People don't buy wagons anymore as they are weird ugly abominations.
>posts an X4
yeah ok nigger

>>28695991
>>28696105
>>28696159
Do young people buy new cars often in your country?

>>28696267
Young people in my cunt do it all the time

>>28696267
I don't see how that's relevant to the thread nor my post. The argument that wagons died because nobody wants to "trade looks for storage" is flat out wrong when the 5 best selling new cars are 4 crossovers and the most bland mid looking uninspiring sedan ever made.

>>28695081 (OP)
Wagons and sedans both aren't things anymore because every car manufacturers realized the meta was cheating on CAFE standards by selling nothing but "light trucks" in lieu of actual cars. Shitheads then proceed to take them at face value when they say they're "responding to market trends" as if they aren't responsible for this market in the first place.

>>28695981
Skoda Superb. Might be a pedestrian brand but they're just nice in a boring, safe way.

>>28695081 (OP)
SUV>wagon

Estate cars were class. M3 wagon is the only choice now.

>>28697254
Also, with the EA888 it's fast enough and can easily be made faster.

>wagons
>exotic rarity
RAV4 is the #1 selling car in the US, the fuck you talking about?
>i-its an suv!
It's a lifted Camry wagon.

>>28700656
No it isn't. Doesn't even share the same platform. Now the corolla and corolla cross is more of what you speak.

>>28695981
Buy an older car and treat it right.

>>28700672
Wrong.
>It is built on the same TNGA-K (GA-K) platform as the XV70 series Camry.

Corolla cross is built off the Corolla platform, it's a lifted Corolla wagon (essentially just an updated Matrix), RAV4 is a lifted Camry wagon. All the "crossovers" are like this, they're all fucking wagons.

>2016 Volkswagen Golf Sportwagen SE
>Currently 220k on the clock.
>never had a check engine light, ever.
>runs as strong as the day it rolled off the line
>All maintenance done by myself.
>live in the desert, no rust or salt.
>bulletproof 1.8 liter turbo

My father had a Dasher Wagon back in the 80s,was excited when Volkswagens was making decent wagons. I'll run this car into the ground.

>>28696241
There's a subset of brain damaged foreigners that have decided to call various flavors of SUV a wagon in their butchery of the english language.
Even OP is posting something that would be better classified as a hatchback due to how short the ass is, with how the rear cargo area ending above or shortly after the rear wheel.

>>28695081 (OP)
Depends on the car. Some are outright ugly as wagons.

>>28695095
I never see granny's or old people with wagons, they seem to mostly have really old landyachts or some brand new econobox like a Hyundai hatchback.

I don't give that much of a shit about *cargo* space, but I always thought "a wagon" was the requirement for having enough "space" to sleep in the car
HOWEVER I tried sleeping in my tiny G42 230i coupe and at 6'4 I was able to sleep fairly comfortably with my entire body and legs straight with my toes only barely touching the trunk, AND I think there was even plenty enough space for a second person
this put a serious dent in how I view wagons, I could be a hobo with a coupe as well!

>>28700961
There are sedans that also have folding seats too, so you can sleep in those if you really want.

>>28700982
my previous elantra was exactly the same size as 230i and yeah there was a bunch of space too, I never tried sleeping in it though

my point is that additional "cargo space" wagon has over coupes/sedans is actually just "a larger and convenient space for cargo" and doesn't enable any particularly super new scenarios beyond hauling slightly more and slightly larger shit
if I fold the seats in my coupe I have an ENORMOUS amount of space. I wasn't able to get my new air conditioner box into a trunk though, so you definitely trade hauling convenience with a coupe

>>28700737
should I try to find one of these? i thought my only newer wagon option in the US was a Volvo.

vinfinderDOTflyDOTdev

>>28701053
Pretty much. Wagon versions are rarely long and just have the taller rear advantage. I've still loaded long pieces of wood or boxed up furniture into sedans with folding seats.

The trunk is more insulated in a sedan

>>28700720
platform=/=chassis
when will mongoloids learn?

>>28700901
>I never see granny's or old people with wagons, they seem to mostly have really old landyachts or some brand new econobox like a Hyundai hatchback.
They had them when they were the econoboxes of their day. Forresters, Volvo XC70s, etc.

>>28701199
yeah, but its harder to access and organize cuz you have to reach down and in

also, I wish non-luxury wagons had air suspension
the whole value of an SUV is that enhanced ride height for water crossings and rough roads but it would be so much nicer to be able to select a lower ground clearance for highway driving and hike up the car just for shitty roads

but air suspensions are apparently unreliable and cost a fortune to replace and nobody has come up with a better solution

>>28701208
the platform determines the framing points of the chassis
I mean yes you can have a slightly wider or longer chassis on the same platform but broadly speaking cars on the same platform have the same chassis

When I was stationed in England, I had a 2014 Jaguar XF Sportbrake with a 1.4 liter diesel in Artic White. It was the best car I've ever owned. I literally dream of that car. Only vehicle I've loved more is the 1998 Jeep TJ I bought when I was 18 years ago at 21. I still own that one.