Thread 28714424

Explain the side by side market

Pic related is the Kawasaki Teryx H2 powered by the same supercharged engine as the Kawasaki H2 and H2R.

Its like a quadbike but huge. John Deere equivalents are like a kei truck but not-road legal making them less useful.

>>28714424 (OP)
how else do you expect to receive Road Head™ while quadding

>>28714424 (OP)
You get one if your girl is too much of a pussy (or too terrible of a driver) to get her own offroader, but not enough of a pussy to stay away from offroading entirely

>>28714424 (OP)
That looks really fun as long as having 4 occupants doesn't bog it down. I think about it like this: you and your friends can load crew, food, and beer in a large SUV, trailer this thing to the back, and head out for a fun expedition in one primary vehicle so you can have the road-trip experience and then get the "I'm drunk on a roller coaster" feeling of being a passenger in a dune buggy.

There were hundreds of automobile manufacturers before WWII.

The SxS market is similar.
Instead of custom sand rail builders it's just becoming a mass produced product market.

>>28714424 (OP)
They're for if you got friends or family and want to haul them on off road adventures without building a $100k Jeep. The CVT models are meh but the kind with the six speed sequentials are fun to drive. They're the closest you can get to a WRC car without spending $500k+ on one.

>>28714424 (OP)
They're stupid, I want a kei truck which is the same damn size but with windows so I can go offroading and with air conditioning and protected from the hordes of mosquitos

>>28714692
I mean this sincerely because I've always lived in the city, what are people doing and where that this works out?
If do a lot of outdoors activities, hiking, fishing, and hunting every season, and I've never thought to myself "boy I wish I had a small car in the woods."

>>28714962
>t. "offroad" is a groomed trail.

>>28715369
There's a massive world outside of your bubble.

>>28715369
>hunting every season
How do you get that 230 pound white tail deer back to camp?

>>28715382
tarp/containers + trunk/bed
alternatively you could just dress and quarter before bringing it back

>>28715382
>>28715387
I've always done most of the processing in the field, which is annoying but its only once a year. Most hunting is birds and small game which you can just carry. Fish you can just carry.
I've never hunted from a camp, state game lands in PA are not that big in the central east, where I am.

>>28715378
Yes I know that, and I'm asking what they get up to.

>>28715369
i can pull my 4 wheeler out of my driveway and after a quick mile or so ride down my quiet residential road i can hit a huge network of class 6 roads, logging roads, and public atv trails that will take me into different states. there are even gas stations along some of them i can just ride up to. i don't have a side by side because everyone i ride with has their own atv, but my neighbor has one to take his small kids out with him. which is probably why i'll be getting one in a couple years myself.

>>28715481
>class 6 roads
>logging roads
>public ATV trails
So theres just a lot of public area youre allowed to drive around?

>>28715493
yes basically

>>28715497
Okay, I genuinely did not know that.
I know of like shooting on BLM land and hiking and that sort of thing, I guess I just assumed it was widely prohibited to drive around. Thanks

>>28714667
yep that's how I see them too, an imitation of custom sandrails, just smaller, more affordable & accessible.

>>28715470
>asking what they get up to.
Speed wise?
Really depends on the build.
Can-ams do about 100mph.
The "classic" sand rail build typically used a VW beetle engine and trans axle and were in the 80mph-90mph range on the high side, down around 60mph for "normal" builds
More serious custom builds with 350 sbc or one of the aluminum block Range Rover /Buick engines hit 120+mph easily.

>>28715542
Nta but im in a rural area.
We get hunters from other states.
Ive been at the local gas station during deer season and there would be a dozen SxS in the parking lot, zero cars or trucks.
It "can" be legal if the SxS is insured and registered but typically nobody is and the cops dont do anything because its a rather large economic influx brought in by the oit of staters.
Plus typically the cops hunt too and drive their SxS around.

Is Dakar the main series side-by-sides compete in?

https://youtu.be/o9qWevvUNpY

>>28714424 (OP)
Holy fuck do these things work well in heavy rain or snow? Fucking WANT, could LARP as a racer with helmet on during winter.

>>28715720
As well as a motorcycle with the correct tires. Obviously with no windshield its a bit uncomfortable but they function well in most environments. Farmers in the midwest drive the utilitarian versions for a reason.

https://www.kawasaki.com/en-us/side-x-side/mule

>>28715756
Alright, wondering whether these things have proper drainage system when cabin is flooded and whether electronics and cockpit switches are well insulated for prolonged use. Work vehicles could as well be a different story, but good source for comparison you gave

>>28715789
Yes theyre designed for all-weather applications.
My fuse panel has a rubber gasket and is screwed together.
Instrument cluster is the same way.
Thats basically all ATVs since the 70s.
There's a few million quads that were bombing through mud and snow today without electrical issues.
Farmer Bob drops hay off for the cattle in the rain every day.

Here's something that will really blow your mind.
Where do you think the rain water goes when youre cruising down the freeway at 80mph and your radiator is sucking in air from directly in front of your car?

>>28715542
BLM land has almost no rules, it's basically just "Don't leave a mess" and follow normal state laws. Forest Service lands have a few more rules, but as long as you stay on surfaces that are obviously roads, or in designated off road areas it's pretty similar to BLM. Logging roads depend on the company that owns the land. Most have official rules that don't allow motor vehicles, but I can tell you from years of experience that it is not enforced. I've even stopped on my quad to bullshit with the loggers. As long as you aren't dusting the work crews and tearing up the land, they just look the other way.

man, so much pointless shit gets manufactured because of yokels. shit's crazy.

>>28715816
Okay, much thanks for the info. Didn't get though what you mean by the radiator thing, I'm a wrenchlet. Like for my current car airbox pulls air against the gravity, engine bay has drainage hole under the battery that is joint with HVAC pipe, which then exits under the vehicle. And there are no ways for any water to accumulate elsewhere under the hood. But once something like cabin is flooded it's difficult to get rid of the new indoor lake without having any outlets for it.

>>28715829
brown son never been to the country before
ascared of gettin lynched or what

As far as I'm aware, everybody on the trails hate SxSs the way people hated quads back in the day.

>>28715945
Deoends entirely on how they're being driven. If you sliding around a blind corner at 60mph, of course other people are going to want you to stop. But honestly, that's as much a problem with trucks and single axle trailers on FM/CRs these days too, so I don't know why SxSs get all the hate.

>>28715969
I personally feel like its because SxSs dont require any skill or ability compared to a dirtbike or even a quad.
And theyre accepted as "cool" by demographics that talk shit about pickups so you wind up with people on the trails that really shouldnt be there.

>>28714424 (OP)
really amusing seeing this trend of middle class goytards making $80k/yr financing a $50k truck and a $20k side by side.

>>28715382
drag it, like your ancestors did for the preceding 250,000 years of modern man's existence.

>>28716324
you're just assuming they don't make a lot of money as a defense mechanism to make yourself feel better about being a poor loser.

>>28716329
i make $120k a year and im likely going to be promoted to $150k by year end.

>>28716330
if that's true which it likely isn't then you're only in the 64th percentile in household income, so it's pretty likely that these truck owners make and have more money than you since they're likely married and have a second source of income unlike you.

>>28716333
my gf makes $60k.
>erm umm actually the average truck owner is tall, handsome, fratty and cool, big dick, smart, independently wealthy with a DEEP 7 figure net worth
spare me the cope, manual laborer.

>>28716336
a girlfriend is not in your household by definition. marry her and buy a house together then we'll talk.

>>28716341
>Household income, as defined by the Census Bureau, is the total gross income of all people occupying the same housing unit who are 15 years and older.

>>28716344
and you actually live with her and aren't just lying on the internet?

>>28714424 (OP)
Theyre good if you arent poor and married or have kids (4 seater).

My dad has one I quite like it cause it feels like a rally car down tight trails.

>>28715481
>class vi roads
New Hampshire?

>>28716472
hell yeah

>>28716486
I love living in NH and ripping my Tenere and WR250R on class VI roads. Many of them are impassable to anything except hikes, ATVs and maybe lifted jeeps. It’s always funny when the road is so old and unknown that you basically drive through someone’s farm to get to them yet it’s still a public way.

>>28714424 (OP)
On the weekends out in farm country everyone is out driving these fucking things around for fun. I go out there on my motorcycle sometimes and in good weather there are more of these on the road than regular cars or pickups. I assume they get them for ranch and farm chores, then use them for ripping around like dual sports. Sometimes you can see them shoot across the road, going overland across fields and power line access.
Not gonna lie, I probably would too if I lived out in the sticks.

I think I have a unique perspective on this. I live very local to the Hatfield McCoy trail system. I've been 4 wheeling since 1999. Back then HMC trails wasn't even a glimmer in the owners eyes. It was all "outlaw". We used to ride down our buddies trails and come out in peoples back yards and we were not only allowed to by the owners, we knew them on a first name basis. The trails were fun and very inviting, even for novices. I've pulled quite a few weekends out there with a saw clearing trails myself just for the love of it. I even had a keyring that looked like a janitors keys just for all the fences the mine put up. Yes, the mine company gave me keys. We used to do poker runs with hundreds of atvs and you could go back the next weekend and you couldn't tell there was even an event. NOW that sxs are the main thing, a regular weekend of them driving around tears the trails up. They tear up the hill climbs, they wallow out the mudholes so deep you need 40 inch tires, 12 inch lift and portals to even have a chance, and they leave trash everywhere. Most of them drive like complete assholes and speed through town with their screaming piss twins and 3 cylinders all through CVTs. It's a shame what has happened but the money is what matters. There's a lot more profit on a $30k sxs with a bunch of useless tech added to it than there is a (now) $10k atv with bare essentials and the trails have really suffered for it. The area is still beautiful though and I still call it home but I feel ashamed that our economy has no choice but to entertain this scourge.

>>28715481
Ery noice