Have you guys ever considered a career in conservation? It's a tempting prospect, and I don't really see a reason not to go into it. I feel like I'd enjoy the work, and I've always respected the guys who do it in one way or another--having grown up in a rural part of the Rockies.

>>2821715 (OP)
What kind of careers are there that pay a living wage?

>>2821717
I mean, from a Canadian perspective, anything directly with the province or national parks service. A fish and wildlife officer on average makes $80k yearly. l I knew a fellow who made good money working for the mine making sure they weren't poisoning the water supply. I'd assume it's similar in most countries.

>>2821717
nta but in australia these jobs can easily pay 6 figures in us dollars
incredibly hard to get one of those jobs though

>>2821719
>$80k yearly
80k CAD or USD? because 80k CAD is not that much

>>2821715 (OP)
>Have you guys ever considered a career in conservation?
I'm a federal forest inspector (in Germany)
it's an awesome /out/ job

made a thread on here about it like 10y ago
when I got in after my PhD (you don't need one, only bachelor of something forest related)
and advocate for it every since

you drive from forest to forest and document the health of the trees, the health of the floor and everything around
we also do tree counts every few years
most of the work is on the road (4days out 1day (home)office and every 4th week completely office)
and I specialized on "Primärwälder" (Old-growth forest) which I survey in all of Germany but mostly not as there is very little of if
so basically you drive up a few points on a certain forest a day, I get my drones out (they return automatically and fly preconfigured paths) and then I walk through the forest, take a few soil samples and photograph each interesting point

just a really cool job all around
and before you ask, I make ~80k€ (won't get much more, only small, yearly increases)

>>2821775
>you drive from forest to forest and document the health of the trees, the health of the floor and everything around
we also do tree counts every few years
most of the work is on the road (4days out 1day (home)office and every 4th week completely office)
Holy FUCK this sounds cozy. Do you get to drive from forest to forest alone?

>>2821799
>Holy FUCK this sounds cozy.
it is!
like I said, among the perfect /out/ jobs
and this job is done (more or less) in every developed country
plus it's not even hard to get in, only need to get a bachelor / master in forest science or similar (though salaries certainly are very good in Germany compared to other european countries)

>Do you get to drive from forest to forest alone?
depends

nowadays yes
but depends on the day
sometimes people for land survey come along
sometimes researchers from the nearby university tag along to install / repair / update measuring stations in the forests
sometime politicians and my states first ministers kek

and the jobs changes with the technology
up until ~2020 I had someone with me to fly the drones, now they fly autonomous
i think they are currently testing those 4 legged walking robots as assistance as well because the have software to spot tree health instantly, but not sure, only got told so by a researcher

so I maybe it'll be 2 persons again in the future

no i like having money

>>2821715 (OP)
Have you ever considered shutting your fucking fag-ass mouth before I blow a hot load of cum down your throat?

>>2821715 (OP)
I went to college for an environmental degree and have worked a couple entry level positions. So far so good, idk about the long run. The only speed bump is you have to deal with a lot of hippie trust fund kids and turbo boomer government employees.

Yeah but I'm going back to school for applied math because I don't like being broke 24/7 and graduate school in this field will not change that.

>>2823880
I should add that my experiences are on the academic side of things and life is much nicer if you become a state/federal biologist.

>>2821759
incredibly hard to get one of these jobs if you're white and male **

>>2821773
It's not bad if you are living in the middle of nowhere next to a provincial park

>>2823912
just say you’re gay or italian on the form

>>2821775
AKA worthless, overpaid make work gov job that will go away when Germany's economy implodes in the next 5 years

>>2821715 (OP)
But I don't want to make $12/h. I have bills to pay.

>>2823912
My uncle is both and has one of these jobs. Keeping it is about being incredibly knowledgeable on the topics but getting it is about being socially connected. You can’t do it without both advantages

>>2824025
>he who has not tasted the grapes says they are sour

>>2824046
what decade did your uncle get into it?

>>2824047
Eh... he's right. Look at those same jobs in the US. So much for retirement.

>>2824047
They look sour you can just tell

>>2824048
Like 2013

These jobs are mostly fake.
There is no genuine entry, training or selection process, the only way to get in is to be a crony or relative of someone who's already in.
There's no tangible deliverable, you're an ideologist. your objective is ideological, it's a political position. While a conversationalist may carry out any practical task they chose, rarely do they have any deliverables. The measure of their success is just feelings.
There is no genuine competition, it's not an industry, there is rarely open tendering or for-profit clients, or any profit. And rather than being non-for-profit, this just makes them a compliance cartel.

And how true this is only becomes apparent when you realize non of it applies to forestry managers, glaziers, parks authorities, commercial tree planters, land management specialists.

In my region these are just corrupt, state funded lobby groups who commit acts of vandalism, attack the rights of land users, light fires, and undermine public confidence in commercial forestry. they are the far left, the extortionists.

>>2824386
on the selection process you’re right but the deliverable depends on the region and country a lot. Many countries and states have some imperfect but defined KPIs focused towards some goal, be it recreation of wild space or eco preservation, etc. and in many places these make progress
You can’t say it’s all doom and gloom just because it is in your state.

>>2821715 (OP)
If you’re in the US good luck. All the agencies have had their budgets slashed on the federal side and a bunch of highly qualified people are currently job hunting. My agency is one of the only places hiring and we got 50 resumes for a handful of jobs, with some people willing to take a huge pay cut just to have work. It was hard and competitive before and it’s only got worse.

Yeah its cool for awhile. But if you want to actually do something and not be an office bitch they won't pay you shit. The only really highly paid conservationists are really just excellent salesmen that author and present grant applications to federal and state agencies for additional funding that augments the local capital budget. The if you get awarded the grant, congratulations you now get to submit progress reports every month for the next 5 years and hire consultants to do the analysis and design. Then some political retard does something that makes the costs of steel and concrete double and your budget projections get fucked so you go get another grant which you're more likely to get because you leverage the already committed funds from other agencies. So you got another award and you're back on track but now you're reporting to different agencies every month and have to keep track of every penny from each grant and which portions of the project it's funding. That's just the funding piece, when you include permits, aquisitions, contracting, and inter-agency agreements it turns into a real fucknest of gantt charts and timeline extensions.

>>2821715 (OP)
Conservation jobs? Ah I always love these threads
>good pay
>outside
>fulfilling
Pick two and only two.

>good pay/outside
Usually work in the development side of things, mapping shit out or helping some corpo sleazeball exploit natural resources. Cool stuff, but if youre a preservationist, conservationist, or otherwise treehuggerish you will get the sensation of selling your soul and razing the planet for money, becoming what you swore to upend. But you CAN make a lot of money.

>good pay/fulfilling
Usually an -ologist type job where you DO actually make a difference AND a living, but you do it behind a desk indoors while the lowly techs do all the hard outdoor stuff for 12 shmackaroos an hour. Also, these jobs are very competitive and you have to go up against early-20s kiddies going for a Master's degree while living with mom and pop so they had opportunities to volunteer and intern and network. Geologists seem to be the happiest and most well-balanced bunch from this region.

>outside/fulfilling
These are the techs and field hands that go out an actually execute the things -ologists and state/federal programs have planned out. Good for single guys and gals in their younger years and not too many bills, but a dead end for anyone with a family or medical debt. Can be a good leg up if you want to go the -ologist route, though. The entirety of federal land management groundpounding (fire/forestry/fish&feather) exists at this level.

>>2821715 (OP)
I’m studying forestry currently to go in to conservation. It’s a bit rough in the US currently but It’s my dream job. I’ll even settle for a lab job, but I’m hoping for feild resech. And when the next prez is elected I hope we can get some usfs or nps gets some money back

>>2825802
I have bad news for you, anon-yim.

>>2821717
oil and gas, i make $130k/yr will full benefits including company vehicle. i have 2 felonies, 2 duis and a ged and i still made it.

>>2825841
>2 felonies, 2 duis and a ged
Average roughneck

>>2825842
>roughneck
i work in production, not the rig. i am refered to as a company man

>>2821715 (OP)
Anybody here get out of wildland fire? I'm on year 5 of this thinking about pivoting to something else in land management.

>>2821715 (OP)
You will be a poor fag for the rest of your life

>>2826393
>>2826393
I got out in 2022. Did some soils & water gigs for my country, but it paid like shit also. Knew a couple people who ended up surveyors, and one who actually stuck it out in fire and ended up an incident meteorologist, and he's set for life.
I myself ended up with industrial controls and robotics. Make x5 as much and work maybe 1/3 of the hours I did in fire.

>>2826677
*county not country
Fugg

>>2821715 (OP)
I can't afford to live on $10/h.