This kit is for night temperatures that go to slightly below freezing (but not much)

What do you think?

I've lived in a tent/outdoors for the past year and a half including in temperate winter (-5 degrees celsius) or something so I'm not just larping, I'm considering switching to a heavy-fur loadout because the few fur items I have are very comfy and cozy. I have a homemade fur jacket and fur pants and I can lay down outside around freezing temps on the cold ground without even feeling slightly cold. Similarily my homemade fur hat changed my winter nights from freezing cold to kind of okay, so it makes a big difference.

A sleeping mat is handy because I don't want the furs to get needlessly wet, and if the ground is cold and wet I think even furs won't help you enough, so it's just as a barrier layer for the moisture and not really about the warmth it provides.

The big reason why I like this setup is because I think you can get through temperate winters without much of an issue temperature-wise in such clothing, so you don't have to bring a sleeping bag and you can wear these clothes as your regular outdoor clothes in colder temps making for a light backpack.

The raingear is quite neccesary for furs in temperate climates, because a real torrenetial rain will make fur clothes uncomfortably heavy and might make it lose it's warm quality.

Questions:

Do you know if fur retains warmth when wet like wool does?

Additions to kit/critiscism of kit?

What's a good sleeping bag for a fat person who wants comfort? I'm looking for a summer-weight bag I guess I would just have to get a separate heavier winter sleeping bag just makes more sense right?

I plan to get a tent but really I only want to use developed campgrounds with showers and I would not be far from my car.
I'm also looking for an easy-to-setup tent for 1 person but big enough for a large person and to keep some gear in the tent too (most will be in the car). Especially looking for breathability in a hot, humid climate. Not looking for anything too expensive but I don't need THE cheapest option either I guess.

Also, what do you recommend for sleeping/mat/pad/mattress? I have a compact SUV so I guess I could carry something somewhat bulky, but no more bulky than it needs to be.

>>2823519
sleeping bag minmaxxing is overrated

it's about the head-neck region
an excellent hat and shawl (as the qt 3.14 is wearing in my OP) will do more than an extra 500$ in sleeping bag

>>2823518 (OP)
Im trying a new setup where I just bring a good quality 100% organic wool blanket, a towel for ground insulation, and then I typically start a fire and heat up some rocks to bury. Not always feasible, but I mostly cowboy camp to be light weight.
I have a 1lb tarp for rain, idk how well this will work when I start trying to go off grid full time but it sure as hell is a light weight and biodegredable set up.

>>2823546
what climate/temps? and what are you wearing?

>>2823557
>>2823557
So far Ive only tested this set up in this current season, but I know I can manage in any climate just so long as the wood isnt wet to burn.
I have two layers of relatively light clothing. Im going for a light weight hiking setup so I can be more mobile, if done right the warm rocks beneath me can last the whole night.
Im trying to figure out a year round setup so winters might be a pain in the ass with how little clothes Im carrying, but for the time being I think my setup can last over half the year through summer and parts of spring and fall. Moving with the seasons might help, but I want to be North more often than not.
Got to experiement a lot on the CT, and ive been testing my set up at least once a month in local camping.
The goal is to have a light weight guerrilla set up, mobile and tactical, and to have extra space in my bag for food when I so choose.

>>2823563
>Mobile and tactical
>Requires lighting fires for warmth to not freeze

>>2823519
At warmer temps, quilt. Enlightened equipment will make a synthetic one in about any width you'd like.

>>2823518 (OP)
OP the real test for sleeping insulation is 5AM. Pads and bags are built the way they are to keep you warm all night. I can be warm in my jacket for an hour but the real test is when you're body temp and metabolism is at its lowest. I find your venture a little pointless; any amount of insulation worth sleeping in is probably overbuilt for moseying about camp. It's probably less efficient since all your limbs are isolated from the core. If you want to practice building shelter and bishcraft by all means but there is a reason such a system is not popular.

>>2823645
You can make discreet fires in the ground by digging two connected holes. Ultimately I want to be light weight without carrying synthetic sleeping material.

>>2823645
Such a system is unpopular not because it doesn't function, but because people are marketed into buying massively overcharged synthetics and chinky stuff, just like with everything else in life, the normals generally make unrefined choices.

I have slept in nothing but homemade fur clothing (hat, coat, pants) in near-freezing temps before with nothing but a pad(see OP)
The sleeping bag is not essential, but a pad is quite essential. I was incredibly cozy. And I did not have mittens, a shawl, or boots, and my pants weren't even closed well. I think a full-body fur outfit would be a match for most any sleeping bag system.
Fur is incredibly warming compared to synthetics. They don't compare.

I have been sleeping on a simple sheepskin on the bare floor (outdoors), no pad, for well over a month now. (a couple degrees over freezing temps) I might as well turn that simple sheepskin into a coat, if you catch my drift. I wear a mink-fur coat, a homemade mongolian-style hat, and I have wool blankets over me.

Basically, the coat in the OP has the same function as the sleeping bag. Together with the pants. Then you add the mittens, hat, shawl, sweater, I think it is simply a sleeping bag but more versatile, warmer, able to be DIYed, and quite natural.

>>2823518 (OP)
>I'm not just larping
Suuure, buddy. Whatever you say. Makes me wonder why you pic has crappy synthetic "fur" instead of the realthing you absolutely use, though.
>if the ground is cold and wet I think even furs won't help you enough
Furs are literally attached to leather, which is waterproof if treated correctly.
>raingear is quite neccesary for furs in temperate climates, because a real torrenetial rain will make fur clothes uncomfortably heavy and might make it lose it's warm quality.
Same as above. Properly treated (=waxed / greased) fur is waterproof. I've ridden my bike in severe rains with a sheepskin jacket, and except for a small part around the throat where the collar doesn't quite close (due to it being a shitty fashion jacket I got for cheap), I stayed dry every time.
>Do you know if fur retains warmth when wet like wool does?
Yes. Sheep fur (which is what you should use in the temperate zone) is literally wool, and other furs (which you only need in severe cold) have evolved to the exact same demands. If they stopped insulating when wet, the animals that have them would have died out long ago.
>Additions to kit/critiscism of kit?
Well, not much that I wouldn't criticize:
>Sleeping mat
You don't need one at all. If you want to protect your furs, a piece of oilskin, a tarp or at most a German Army surplus sleeping mat will suffice, while packing much smaller.
>synthetic furs covered with synthetic fabric
That's fashion shit. If you want to go this route, get some repro sheepskin bomber clothes. They're way to warm for temperate climates though, unless you wear them only when sleeping / resting. As is a wool pullover, and mitts. Unless you're hunting from a stand or riding a bike / ATV / open-top car, I'd sugget forgetting about fur clothes and getting a fur blanket as most.
>poncho
Those are crap when you have to move in them, especially when the layer beneath it is waterproof (or even just insulating when wet).
>half shoes
Seriously?

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>>2823727
contd
>sawyer
Get the mini. The other two have the problem that water from your hands can drip into your clean bottle (on the mini, it get's stopped by a "ring" of plastic).
>firesteel
Nice toy, but you're gonna need lots of tinder.
>bic lighter
meme. Get a chink electric lighter instead. Half the price and much more reliable.
>larp surival knife
Serrations suck to sharpen, and I'd bet a mora is both better and cheaper
>rope
Well, I have some ideas you could do with that...
>haversack
That one is hanging way to low, and doesn't seem to be adjustable. If you want to larp, get a M37 repro. Else, some sort of small, adjustable bag.
>pack
Literally any milsurp pack is going to be better. Personally, I'd recommend an alice (NOT the camo shit from albania and turkey, but the good old olive ones).
>FAK
Get one you can open one handed, not one of those "obligatory for vehicle" ones. A few bandages, band ads, stuffing gauze (since you clearly don't know the first thing about knives), a TQ and maybe an aluminum splint. And a cell phone, radio or sat phone depending on where you are.

>>2823727
>accusing me of larping because I posted stock images you fail to accurately assess as made with genuine furs
I own/have owned over 50 furs
>crappy synthetic fur
the coat is lined with genuine sheepskin, the pants too, idk about the stock image of a fur hat and shawl I found
>furs are waterproof
eh...somewhat rainproof =/= waterproof
>firesteel
it works fine in dryish conditions and it's not a toy, unlike matches/lighters they are indestructible and durable
>bic lighters are crap
never really used another one but sure i'll take your word for it
>sleeping mat
thought about oilskin but have simply never used one and I don't know about it
>rope
you too faggot
>haversack
i own that one, you can swing it round the body and pin it
>pack
the OP literally says 'military surplus pack', as in, just any milisurp pack
>FAK
ok
>know nothing about knives
kind of true, they're basically illegal in my country
>half shoes
sandal masterrace
>synthethic furs covered with synthetic fabric
again, not synthetic furs, i've never worn a bomber jacket, they're shearling + torso only, so I doubt they're warmer than the coat in the OP (which is basically just a long bomber jacket with a synthetic shell)
>sawyer mini
eh...
>larp survival knife
serrations are very handy and i use them often
>ponchos don't breathe
no way...

>>2823733
>coat is lined with genuine sheepskin, the pants too
Press X to doubt... Actual sheepskin isn't white, unless it's been heavily bleached, and the structure of the fur is completely different. Here's what actual sheepskin looks like: https://www.noble-house.eu/en/leather-pants-trousers/usaaf-type-a-3.html
>i've never worn a bomber jacket, they're shearling + torso only
Where'd you get that idea? a full set of bomber clothes is a jacket, pants, a cap (unless the jacket has a hood) and in some cases also a mask. I've linked one example above.
>doubt they're warmer than the coat in the OP
And suddenly, I find myself doubting if you've ever gone /out/, or if you're just trolling... To warm is even worse than to cold. Even just cotton pants and a sheepskin jacket is already to warm for hiking above -10C. Full furs is barely bearable for sitting in an open car or hunting stand at those temperatures, and even at -30C (coldest I've ever been in), moving a few 100m will have you sweat-drenched.

>somewhat rainproof =/= waterproof
"Rainproof" enough to drive a bike at 130kmh in heavy rain for several hours, and stay dry. Wouldn't go diving in my furs, of course, but on dry land, they're waterproof enough.

>they're basically illegal in my country
I was more referring to how you're considering a partially serated blade. Those are a pain to resharpen, get damaged easily (the tips of the serrations roll up at minimal pressure) and don't allow for clean cuts. Making feathersticks, gutting and skinning, or even just cutting a slice of bread of a loaf is a pain with such a blade. The only advantage is that they allow you to "cut" (rip actually) with a badly made knife.

>>2823652
That is true but I guess I thought that was OP not>>2823546 . Choosing fire for warmth is big time investment and a huge increase in signature by light, smell, the need to process wood (if they care about that). Diametrically opposed to being mobile or tactical.

>>2823718
It's not the material that's the issue. Fur and wool will keep you warm with enough of it for the temps. The issue is hiking and moving requires a lot less insulation. The amount of clothing to stay warm when laying still will be too much for working about camp and way to much for hiking. So you're carrying a lot of clothing that probably won't see action until bed time unless there's lots of layers. Begs the question why you don't just bring a good fur blanket or 2, which will be more efficient by weight.