US National Parks are horribly run
BLM+Nat Park service have a combined budget of SEVEN FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
SEVEN BILLION
and they still charge 30-50 dollars for every single Nat Park and podunk tiny little monument
What the fuck do they do with all this money?
Almost every nat park and land management road is fucking atrocious
the parking lots are even worse
you need a HAZMAT suit to enter any nat park rest room
Why do they need 35 dollars per car fee to see some little indian ruins?
What exact is that money doing? The little pamphlet can't cost more than .20 cents
thats basically it as far as cost
they don't even have rangers manning a ticket booth any more for most
they have a shitty app you need and then buy tickets/pay random fees online (usually in areas with SHIT internet/cell service)
Every campsite in CO was closed when I went there, I guess they are throwing a little shit fit cuz Drumpf or something
Everything in Utah, AZ and NM was open.
Some campsites you can't even tell if there are spots until you have ALREADY paid to enter into the site, so if they are full, you paid and there's no way to get your money back

Probably replacing their F-150 King Ranch off lease every 3 years with the proceeds from all the various fines and fees they collect and money the squeeze not actually bothering to maintain signs, trails, websites, overlooks, etc.

>>2823629 (OP)
>black lives matter
this isnt /pol/

>>2823634
Bureau of Land Management you retard

>>2823636
>bOlm

>>2823629 (OP)
Is this a forest janny hate thread?
>have one day to go fishing
>its rainy and windy cold and shitty
>im the only guy at the lake, not catching shit at all
>two of them run up on me and start asking me tons of questions about what im catching, my lures, all sorts of dumb time wasting shit
>"you should print out your license and wear it on a necklace or hat or something to make our jobs easier" like they still wont come bother me

>go back to the same lake a week later
>perfect sunny day
>suddenly a dozen mexicans (I counted) come in on two work vans and start fishing all along the shoreline
>have buckets to throw everything they catch in
>forest jannies nowhere to be seen

>>2823640
KEK

>>2823629 (OP)
BLM sells their land ever 10 years when no one is looking to property developers. None of these agencies protect the enviroment, theyre just holding agencies for housing companies. Couple that with the department of agriculture killing some 50Million animals a year, and its clear that 90% of humans need to die.

>>2823629 (OP)
>and they still charge 30-50 dollars for every single Nat Park and podunk tiny little monument
That's not true. There are plenty that are free, and a lot of people get around paid entry by entering prior to sunrise or after sunset. Also if you have half a braincell and go to nat parks a lot then you buy the annual pass for $80 and that gets you into all of them for the entire year with no other costs besides campground/campsites which are separate always.
>BLM+Nat Park service have a combined budget of SEVEN FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
BLM's budget doesn't help Nat Park at all so no point in lumping them together. Also have you ever looked at how much land BLM has to manage? They own the majority of land in states west of Nebraska.

Also roads aren't cheap to maintain, that's why USFS barely keeps up with theirs either, especially in states where winter thaw or rock slides can destroy them on a yearly basis. You can also just look up their budgets if you really care. It's 100% public info

>>2823654
what monuments or parks are free?
>Also roads aren't cheap to maintain
yeah, except they don't maintain them
that's the point
commercial vehicles aren't allowed on them, so they are only seeing RVs (which are typically 8000-12000 lbs, not 80,000 lbs of semis) so the actual wear on them isn't that much (95% of paved road damage is caused by semis)
weather damage is not that bad in AZ, CO, UT, NM
I live in a state with way worse weather and our roads aren't nearly as bad
look at how much tolls on certain roads are, roads that get way more traffic and damage with commercial vehicles yet only need a couple bucks

>>2823629 (OP)
dunno, but I charge $150 per time per stall to clean restrooms for them. So I guess that might be part of the budget. They pay me close to $10k per month to clean a handful of bathrooms around the county and into 3 neighboring ones.

and I'm the lowest bidder in a national bid, so you know getting your bathrooms scrubbed isn't cheap.

>>2823666
Yeah most of the monuments and some of the larger parks, especially the Alaska ones, are free to visit, though for some you'll need a ferry or bush plane to get to. Just avoid larger named places and you're fine.
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/entrance-fee-prices.htm?park=&state=&entrancePassRequired=0&timedEntry=&page=1&parking=
If you want to camp on BLM land in the prepared campgrounds, you can just look up if its been reserved or not most of the time, reserve in advance, and be good to go. If it's first come, first served, you're rolling the dice, but then again you can do dispersed camping wherever the hell on most BLM land.
https://www.recreation.gov/search?q=colorado&start=240&inventory_type=camping&sort=available

>>2823694
Ill be less restrained in my toilet use in the future

>>2823719
It's your tax dollars, get the most from them

but seriously, those shitters get trashed. If you go out of your way to shit all over, I won't even notice. The best one I've ever seen is some dude pulled a truck up next to the shitter, climbed on the roof of his truck, dropped his pants, bent over, and sprayed liquid shit 12 feet up the side of my shit shed. Probably got it all over his truck and himself too, but he was gone by the time I got there. Other people told me the story as I scrubbed off the fabulous fountain of crap from the side of the building.

>>2823719
>>2823720
stuff like shitting on the walls or all over the floor are a daily occurrence. We get a lot of indian tourists who don't understand how to use a toilet.

There is no single surface in the latrine that hasn't been repeatedly soaked in shit and piss and vomit and cum and period blood

>>2823629 (OP)
>reeeee the goverment is wasting 0.0002% of its money

>>2823722
It's not even really wasted since it goes directly to jobs for veterans and other moderately educated american assholes. Then those assholes spend that money in the area and make more jobs for more assholes.

it's a pretty direct cash infusion into the population. Beats feeding cash directly into the war or medical machines I think.

>>2823629 (OP)
>american nature
>needs rangers, budgets, trucks, restrooms, roads, tickets etc...
its effin nature, just leave it be, it has taken care of itself for millions of years.

>>2823752
Some of the busier restrooms I clean collect around 50,000 gallon of raw sewage per year. If that was just spread along the roads and trails instead you'd have miles of shit to hike through

>>2823640
Literally this but with amish people.
Those bastards shit up every natural area they can get to on their buggys. Hooks and trash and horse shit thrown everywhere.
Also I have been hassled for having a fixed blade knife on my hip while i was fishing. God forbid they find out that I conceal carry too. For reference it was a western l66. Not some huge combat knife or tactical shit. Just an old knife that i like to carry while im out. No reason for it.

>>2823721
they have to put up signs in them now explaining you are supposed to poop in hole, not poop on wall or floor
indians can't figure out the toilet paper goes in the poop hole too instead of the floor
i dont understand how they can buy a plane ticket, book a hotel, drive a car to the place and then not understand that poop go in hole

>>2823752
you dont even have nature in your gay european shithole

>>2823720
Alright bro I have to admit you are earning your money

not a lot of people do that but you do

>>2823629 (OP)
>SEVEN FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
Not factual. BLM budget in 2024 was $1.7billion. Requested budget from NPS for 2025 is $3.5 billion...so you were only $2 billion off lmao

>>2823629 (OP)
>BLM+Nat Park service have a combined budget
2 entirely different entitties with entirely different purposes- why would combine them just to bitch?

You sound like a seething retard. Quit fucking bitch like a little cunt.

>>2823786
Not only that, but the BLM made nearly 10 billion dollars off that budget, and i think they are the only agency to actually make money for the government

>>2823814
>nearly 10 billion dollars
grazing fees must be much more substantial than I realize

>>2823815
Grazing is just a fraction. Oil and gas leasing is by far the biggest revenue source, then theres also mining, timber, and various clean energies

>>2823629 (OP)
>Almost every nat park and land management road is fucking atrocious
I've never been to a national park that had bad roads unless there was a recent landslide, or it was meant to be that way (like the canyonlands off road adventures).

BLM & USFS roads though? Those are dogshit, barely maintained simply to allow people with trugs and other off roaders to make it to the trail heads

>>2823629 (OP)
>Some campsites you can't even tell if there are spots until you have ALREADY paid to enter into the site, so if they are full, you paid and there's no way to get your money back
HAHAHAHHA holy kek batman...you didnt know to drive around first, find a campsite and then go back and pay lol.

>>2823941
the pay stations on some of them are like 6 miles away at the start of some absolute fucking shit road that will destroy your oil pan if you don't have a lifted 4x4
some of them have faggot ass rangers asking to see your camp site ticket at the entrance
"where's your receipt?"
"I've not bought one yet, are there any camp spots open?"
"I don't know, you have to go look, first come, first served."
"Ok, can I go and look?"
"I need to see your receipt first."
"...."

>>2823963
>the pay stations on some of them are like 6 miles away
lol. there always at the entrance to the campground. you are an idiot.

>some absolute fucking shit road that will destroy your oil pan
let me guess, you're the dude who flailed hard in CO cuz he didnt want to drive on FS roads.

>>2823963
kek FS rangers are obsessive rule followers. A lot of times the rules make no sense. Where I live in Colorado all the campgrounds are concessionaires though. They're usually a bit cooler about stuff like that.

Also we drive SUV's or trucks with at least 9 inches under the oil pan. I see tourists out in low cars all the time and it makes me smile. They're doing 3mph on roads the locals drive 25. A vehicle with clearance is pretty much a requirement to go /out/ here. If you want to get away from people you need a dedicated rock crawler and mud runner. That or a bike or side by side.

also the locals know where dispersed camping is. We don't pay to be in campgrounds. Or if the dispersed camping is full we just travel off the road a ways and find a nice spot in the woods away from everyone. There's no particular reason to ever deal with the FS or BLM if you're camping. We'd rather tourists stick to the campgrounds though. Less risk of you starting a fire.

>>2823973
yes
that's the point you fucking idiot
the pay stations are at the entrance
the spots are often very far away

>>2823776
It's not Indians that are doing it. Stop being racist. It's most likely just meth heads or idiot teenagers.

>>2824022
Kill yourself faggot

>>2824022
probably 60% of the tourists I see in the Rockies are from india. I've watched some of them go into a clean toilet and when they come out there's shit or piss everywhere. They shit beside the toilet, on the floor, on the walls, or sometimes all over the toilet seat. If they do shit in the toilet they'll often stand up on the seat, squat down, and do their business. I see footprints on toilet seats all the time.

we also get a lot of mexicans who know how to hit the toilet but always throw their shitty toilet paper on the floor because in mexico they don't put used paper in the toilets.

it's not racist, it's just different cultures. Asians and indians aren't really used to our idea of toilets, and don't want their asses touching a filthy toilet seat.

Where I live I see almost no meth heads or teenagers. It's mostly very wealthy foreigners and a handful of americans. You guys don't understand how outnumbered you are in wealthier parts of the US. Rich people usually aren't young and they usually aren't white.

>>2824035
>probably 60% of the tourists I see in the Rockies are from india.
bullshit you lying cocksucker.

>>2824000
>does retards things
>call others idiots
lmao

>>2824077
>>2824035
It's 100% bullshit. Chinks are by far the biggest tourists to the national parks out west besides other Americans.

>>2824099
>the national parks out west
he wasnt even talking about NP just "the rockies". I have never seen a non-white person on a trail in the rockies (outside of national parks).

>>2823629 (OP)
On that 7b they make 4b back in admissions, gift shops, guided tours, etc. Like direct money in money out revenues. On their 3b net loss for the government, they generate around 50b of economic activity between things like gas, lodging, restaurants, etc.
Most successful government agency out there in my opinion.

>>2824100
Oh yeah, in the national forests & BLM land you def don't see minorities or really any tourists. It's pretty minor unless it's a super hyped area

>>2823989
The concept of paying for camping blows my fucking mind and would take me completely out of the /out/ experience. Same goes for paying entry fees to enter nature. That's why the American wild has almost no pull on me.

>>2824135
know nothing about the american wild if this is you perception. The vast majority of federal land in the usa is free to wander and camp in.

>>2824100
oh, you thought I meant on trails.

no, tourists don't go on trails.

/out/ is full of bootlickers

>>2824102
>if i just make up some numbers that paint a rosy picture that will fix retarded spending
why would these places make less money in the private sector without national parks service doing fuck all except charge 30 bucks to enter?

>>2824155
It's a shitposter baiting for attention. Ignore them. They likely don't even go outside let alone camp.

leaf fag here, in ontario you cant even fucking go anywhere without them trying to make you pay at the ticket booth shit. then if you do pay for some reason you'll have impatient jeets behind you trying to press the buttons for you to speed up the process (natural tech support scammer instincts.) if you do feel ballsy and want to sleep in one of the parts overnight off the trails they'll tow your car then you're fucked.

>be me
>being good boy and paying $15 for parking to go on a trail
>two jeets at the ticket booth and im waiting
>they turn to me and say "you can go first bro"
>begin the process of paying, reading whatever is popping up on the screen
>jeet behind me starts pressing the buttons for me
>says he's helping me out
>no thanks gurdeep i got it
>asks me if i can pay for his parking too
>guess him and his jeet buddy couldnt scrounge up $15
>say no
>gives me a fucked up look like he deserved it for helping me
>he turns away and starts speaking native tongue to fellow poo
>i go walk trail

pro tip: just dont pay

>>2824172
Based retard

>>2824381
Do not redeem the parking saar

>>2823759
what does cleaning toilets have to do with nature? are your nature so commercialiced it has toilets?
>>2823780
under half the population density than usa, i dare say we got more nature than you, and we know how to deal with it.
if one channel everyone into the same parking lots, trailheads, campsites etc its obvious thats gonna lead to congestion and problems. just let nature be free and open and that problem is gone.

>>2824738
>I'm a proud europoor let me tell you about American 2025 national park regulations

>>2824741
>be american
>your biggest issue is toilet access
>also pic related

>>2824754
>640 million acres of public land
>15 million acres are supposeldy landlocked
>still 625 million acres of easily accessible public land
>6x the size of Norway
lmao

>>2824754
Where I live, there are about five small peaks that are completely isolated due to housing developments around them. The peaks are National Forest land, and yet are somehow completely inaccessible.

>>2824773
you have to share this land with double the population density of norway, and since you dont have right to roam you will probably never access it.
>6x the size of norway
thats a pretty crap attempt of bragging, seing as usa is about 30times bigger. why are you such naturelets?

>>2824775
>you will probably never access it.
What the fuck are you talking about?? There are 6 Norways worth of fully accessible public land. How retarded are you?

>double the population density of norway
>never been to wyoming
lmao.

>>2824774
>Where I live,
where? show us.

>>2824794
There is no need to dogpile the yuropoor. He conclusively proved he has no fucking clue what he's talking about when he brought up "right to roam" which is exclusively is a concept where the aristocratic class still owns all the land.

>>2824794
damn you are dumb. 2% of norgay is developed, rest is just nature. what does it matter to you if you have 6x that somehere, you dont live in it. you are probably some suburb sucker, i have moose, reindeer, roe deer and red deere, in my garden, bear comes and go but they usually get shot.
but shure, you driving 5hours to the nearest public land is better. lol.

>>2824798
its a concept where the people own the land. no right to roam = no access to your land = no one here is anti right to roam because the majority actually owns land and they want to access it.

>>2824754
>american
>toilet access is a problem
literally almost every gas station across america
Beyond that if you're going /out/ toilet isn't even an issue. You can take a shit anywhere off trail if you follow the rules of not being by water and digging a hole (if you don't carry out)

>>2824814
Please tell us your address so I can come to Norway and take a fat shit on your front lawn. Right to roam, right?

>>2824775
>you have to share this land with double the population density of norway
Brother, over 50% of Americans are obese. You aren't sharing shit with them. Even in National Parks beyond 3-5 mi you filter out like 95% of tourists. In BLM/NF it's even more lonely unless you're at some super popular tiktok spot during tourist season.

>>2824820
>right ro roam
you guys just cant get it right do you?
no, you have no right to roam or shit on my lawn, it being my lawn specificly exludes it from said law, private property is still a thing here. but feel free to shit, piss, coom, vomit or whatever you feel like on the land i own thats actually right to roam land. thats where you would go anywhere and i havent seen all of it, its just a forest that i happend to own 50km from my house. why should i care if shit there?

>>2824825
It sounds like you don't actually own any land. But hey I'm not obsessed with Norway laws like you are with America.

>>2824828
you sound like you dont. how do you keep trespassers off your land? if you are capable of doing so you dont really own land, its just your private property. no way you would be both at your farm with its 200 acres and then simultaniously at your montain summer farm with 400 acres. a farm you wouldnt have access to without right to roam.

>>2824812
>you dont live in it.
I do. I back up to National forest with 400K acres of public land out my back door. I have Elk, moose, Mule deer, White tailed deer, Grizzlies, Black bears, Wolves, coyotes, fox, Mt. lions, lynx and bobcats, wolverines, stoats etc on my property...there are also big horn sheep and pronghorn antelope very near by...so not driving anywhere lol. Even if I lived in the nearest town, trail heads are only minutes away lmao

>>2824812
>if you have 6x that somehere, you dont live in it
>nobody lives in rural areas in the US

>>2824838
are you allowed to bushwhack or will forest janny arrest you for not using the trails?

>>2824838
>national forest
feels good to suck off trump in order to go out?
>that pic should mean something..
what happends if you are on the wrong side of it?
pic related its a fuckup of some 10-20 land owners, you just dont own land this way to you it would be public land.

>>2824845
>feels good to suck off trump in order to go out?
Are you braindead?

>>2824845
>in order to go out?
>seething buthurt
Trump has nothing to do with NF. He'd like to sell them off.
lol

>on the wrong side of it?
there is no wrong side of it. im either on my property or on public land.

>to you it would be public land.
>with houses
No public land is public. Private land is private. What would stop those people from each building a gas station or McMansion on their parcels? Given the greed of property developers in this country, public land is a godsend. There are def huge parcels of land that I dont have access to because they are private but there is still more public land that equally good

>>2824846
do you rely on a goverment to allow you to go /out/ or not?

>>2824850
last time a bear entered this area. just saying.

>>2824840
There are generally no restrictions on foot travel in national forests. People use them to hunt every year, you think they do that on trail?

>>2824851
If that government has the authority to ban or fine me then yes. I will gladly follow the rules to keep playing.
>>2824867
I didn't realize you could hunt on them. I guess it's just national parks that are more strict? I thought I saw NF had rules too.

>>2823814
Pretty much all of the outdoor agencies generate money, either directly through fees, or through economic benefit.

I used to work for an oil company and we drilled wells on BLM land and it was such a nightmare. Worst fucking people you can imagine. Power tripping on the tiniest amount of power possible. Also shutting down operations if a beer bottle from the 1970s was found because that is a "archeological site" now. Or if a rare bird or lizard is spotted anywhere then you are completely fucked. Worst fucking people I have ever dealt with in my life. Like police are relatively all cool bros by comparison.

>>2824852
>internet tough guy
you killed a bear just because? what a fucking idiot. I dont kill a bear just for nothing

>>2824840
>are you allowed to bushwhack
You can go anywhere you want. I just follow elk paths as they know the best way up and down the mnt.

>>2824738
>what does cleaning toilets have to do with nature?
>>2823759
>If that was just spread along the roads and trails instead you'd have miles of shit to hike through
try reading the whole post maybe?

do you not understand how tens of millions of people shitting in the same place might affect nature?

>>2824870
based forest jannies protecting cool birds and lizards from industrial society and it's consequences

>>2824914
then dont make them all shit in the same place? controlling the public is a bit of a dilemma, the more you try to control them the more problems you get so you respond with trying to control them even more and thus get more problems...

>>2824933
if they all shit in the same hole it's not a problem

you dig 1,000,000 shit holes along a 3 mile stretch of trail and you're going to have problems. And the way we route trails in colorado, a 3 mile hike is going to take most people all day. They're going to shit.

>>2824935
its when they all shit in the same place it become a problem. the /out/ philosophy in norway is the exact oposite of yours, hardly any designated parking lots or trailheads, you just start your hike wherever you feel like, and definetly not any shitters. we have absolutely none of your problems. and wtf is the deal with you guys and sharting? cant you drop a turd before leaving home and then keep your anus shut for the rest of the day?

>>2824869
But blm is the only one to make straight profit, the others are only "profitable" in terms of cascading economic benefit. NPS does not make enough money through fees to cover their budget and has to rely on other funding sources.
>>2824868
Even the vast majority of national parks allow cross country travel. Many that have a 'rule' to stay on trail dont have an actual rule, its just what they tell visitors to keep them under control in high visitation areas.
And then there is also the more relativley rule-less BLM land and a handful of other agencies

>>2824920
They aren’t protecting shit. People have a retarded assumption that oil is radioactive. Or that animals will just drink oil if given the chance.

>>2823629 (OP)
You fucking retards voted for this:

https://www.wilderness.org/articles/blog/congress-making-more-250-million-acres-public-lands-available-sale

>>2824969
They will when your dipshit contractor blows the well or doesn't cap it correctly, the groundwater is contaminated, and the entire area withers. They're only annoying because business has more power than the people actually invested in nature, and someone has to be around to babysit every fuckwit putting muh profits first.

>>2824941
>we have absolutely none of your problems
I get the equivalent of Norway's entire population on a single trail in a single month.

You have no idea. There simply aren't that many people in your country

colorado alone has more people than Norway does, and we get more than twenty times that in visitors every year.

>>2824941
>>2825275
Not only does colorado get 20 times your population in visitors every year,

but they all to the exact same 5 or 6 places. Tourists, you know? They hit the tourist spots. Hike the same 14'ers, drive the same passes. All of them.

20 times your population all headed to the same few miles of trail and road and all pretty much at the same time.

>>2823629 (OP)
Pay up your extra tax, goy

>>2823629 (OP)
>Almost every nat park and land management road is fucking atrocious
I went to 2 national parks last year. the restrooms were fine. Idk what youre on about.


Even though I think your some shill I'll answer anyways; the govt. mismanages everything it touches. THe ground level workers try to do a good job, the rot is top down.
You know those stories about govt. waste, having to spend cash by end of year or it dissapears? These are not just stories, its real. Start with the idiot politicians.

>check bathroom
>toilet paper stocked
don't camp there
it's that simple, you wont run into boomer junkies, homeless around hot springs, high millennials or mexican acting rude gen-z following that rule
sleep only on blm land and never within 1 mile of a toilet

>>2825280
I clean and stock toilets and I talk to the people around them

personally I don't camp within one mile of any trail, toilet, parking lot, campground, road, or town.

just walk a mile off the trail and you'll never see a single human despite millions of people being within easy shouting distance

what the fuck does this thread have to do with ticks
that other guy is an idiot

>>2823629 (OP)
You have to subsidize brown retards destroying the place and also the sinecure nepo swine that get 6 figure paychecks for conducting said brown retards into the parks and making 'improvements' so they can penetrate deeper into zones that were previously exclusive to whites

>>2823629 (OP)
sucks for you, I get in for free

>>2827179
I bought a normal pass and I also get in for free. Is there something special about that?

>>2827179
I get in for free because I ride a bicycle and walk

Only carcucks pay

>>2823629 (OP)
I haven't even see a ranger in the last year of camping at National parks outside of the Forest Service, almost everything is ran by hosts who are essentially used as slave labor since they have no where else to go.

>>2827179
You get in for free, but the camping is still full cost, some veterans can apply for the disability pass which is 50%, you need like ADHD or some shit to get that.

>>2823666
The main byways connecting cities in AZ, NM, CO, and UT are generally well maintained, especially in AZ, CO and UT. Some of them require repairs every year above 6,500 ft elevation. Some of the lesser known and lesser used paved roads in the high country surrounding entirely by US NF (national forest) do get moderately damaged from winter freezes/thaw cycles and heavy snowfall and rockslides in both winter and monsoons, they just get closed down from November to May usually. I know of a couple stretches in AZ that are potholed to hell (pic not related), but the state does a decent job of repairing them every summer, only for them to return next spring. The I-40 between Flagstaff and Williams AZ averages 90 inches of snow a winter (the most in the US for a major highway not passing through the Rockies)and has an armada of snowplows to keep it open every storm because it is main national transport artery from the west to east coasts. Monuments and national park infrastructure costs a lot to maintain because it has the highest traffic bar none among US public lands, like literally 5-100s of times more traffic than NF areas. Most of the roads in the South Rim Grand Canyon have been totally resurfaced within the last couple to few years at most, and it only gets 30-80 inches of winter snowfall. I'm not saying the government doesn't waste money, but that it is easy to waste money with just upkeep costs.

>>2823629 (OP)
Close them and sell the land to private developers.
Debt crisis solved.
You're welcome.

>>2823630
fpbp
/thread

>>2827435
>rock fall on road
>oh no, that'll be 7000 dollars to move rock
>thanks mr tax payer

I love how these parasites always go on about the economic activity the 'spur'
as if they are the ones busting their ass in the private businesses that are in these areas which they just take credit for in money generated (which they then take 30% of anyways to waste on 'no parking' signs which they post every 5 fucking feet and probably pay themselves 10k per sign)

>>2823629 (OP)
I'm just not reading all that.

>>2828273
Nice headcannon schizo

>>2823640
>oh no they asked me questions
If they didn't even kick you out or write you up you did good. Not sure what you expect about the mexicanos. If they didn't see them they weren't going to speak to them. Unless their patrolling was bad that day

>>2823666
what a silly question. Many parks are free. Some beachfront parks are but many on the county and state level are.

>>2823638
we don't include prepositions in acronyms ranjesh

>>2824974
i didnt :(

>>2825280
>>2825287
pretty good advice. I never camp around boat access campgrounds either during the summer

>>2823759
>>2824914
>>2824935
>>2825275
any non-white and especially non american citizen attempting to enter our parks should be gunnes down on site. The idea there are hundreds of thousands of chinese and indian nationals clogging up our natural preserves is an affront to god and they should be destroyed on the spot. You claim to be a steward of these areas, yet all you do is cry about cleaning up chinese poop. You are a faggot. Start killing them you retard.

>>2829225
I quit my contracts cleaning forest service shitters this year.

even at $350 per hour is just isn't worth it. I've got better things to do. You want to get rid of tourists you go do it. I'm busy.

>>2829225

non-americans should pay 3x the cost to enter parks with a fee.

>>2823629 (OP)
the entrance fees, combined other revenue and additional, separate, funding are what make up their $7 billion funding you indolent dyspraxic indoor-dweller.


Major costs include:

Campground maintenance
Trail maintenance
watershed maintenance
forestry
LEO activities

Seems pretty clear to me that the Norwegian has no idea how public lands work in the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Kentucky, or Wisconsin. Who cares how it works anywhere else.

It's also pretty clear the Amerifats have no idea how the right to roam works either or how nature works in Norway, Sweden or Finland.

It's also pretty clear that if either of you checked out the other situation, you wouldn't be putting the other down.

Fight politicians who want to get rid of public lands, brown bears, polar bears, and litterers, not fellow outdoorsmen.

>>2829594
Based take

>>2827551
I wish. I'd buy a parcel in Tioga Pass tomorrow if it says possible.

>>2823653
This. I've gotten into arguments with quite a few people who like to protect federal land without understanding that those lands are being taken from the states with the deliberate purpose to sell them later.