How important are hip belts if you keep your weight under 15lb and for dayhikes? Been looking to get into vest-style straps which seem to come with fastpacks, but the trade off seems to be that none really have a true "hip belt" that is weight bearing.

How am I suppose to know? I've never been outside.

>>2824309 (OP)
The only good thing about waist belts on day packs is when they have little pockets for snacks.

>>2824309 (OP)
I dont think they matter at all for dayhikes.
Overnighters I think theyre essential

>>2824309 (OP)
one like that is essentially useless. a proper lumbar strap is much better no matter the weight.

>>2826342
How do you feel about Mountainsmith lumber packs? They are just hip belts with small cap bag and some pockets, and some have the option to attach a vest to them to help pull up

>>2826358
seems kind of neat. i have never used a system like this, but anatomically speaking we are designed to bear weight from our shoulders so it makes a lot more sense. i have a very large rucksack and a few smaller bags i use for motorcycle riding and stuff. the lumbar support is great even for riding.

I use an ancient Ultimate Direction day pack that sits low on the hips and has long Y-shaped shoulder straps, almost like a lumbar pack. Hip belts are great. Hips were made to bear weight and lower packs are stable and your back doesn't get as sweaty.

However, most small daypacks are too small to wear the hip belt low enough to be beneficial. Waist belts that sit above your belly button are retarded.

I don't use hip straps on my ultralight day kit for going far and high, but it is more like 10lbs fully loaded with water and food, not 15 (and normally more like 6 or 8lbs because I plan on finding water on those hikes). 15lbs I'd use a hip belt. One benefit is being able to shift the weight from your legs to your shoulders if your legs are getting tired or vice versa. You do need a real hip belt and you need to fit your pack correctly, which is not hard at all if you follow a video.

>>2826342
yup, the hip belt is as important as knee support IMO. going from my EDC city backpack to a real one, even for day hikes, was like when i started using knee stabilizers downhill.

and i'd like to plug external frames for a minute. i've had this old $30 kelty from craigslist since i started backpacking like 6-8 years ago. i upgraded the straps, belt, and back mesh thanks to an anon on here who did the same. i think the new tioga spare parts fit it.

i've really grown into this backpack and am becoming increasingly convinced it's the perfect one: olive drab raw nylon with 6 pockets. it took about 3 years of serious intent to tailor it to my needs:
>remove top bar and make handle from spare webbing (had to cut off webbing from new shoulder straps cuz unsupported feature)
>zing-it and Ti carabiners to lash hammock quilts compression sack to top via top pocket closures with loops tied at ends
>paracord and short Ti carabiner runs along bottom to lash bear canister if required
>made zipper pulls from zing-it, the stock zippers are tiny af
>add zing-it loops to top closure toggles just in case
>aftermarket water bottle holder for shoulder strap
>organize and waterproof everything inside individually as needed, no trash bag pack liner, no rain cover; freed up tons of space and is organized better + way more waterproof where it matters
>whistle on lanyard at right hand arm's reach

this backpack has taken all the dipshit noob meme gear i could throw at it: insulated camo tarp, USMC combat knife, giant sooty aluminum pot, 100' of paracord, north face synthetic sleeping bag, glass bottles, you name it. now i'm looking at a base weight of 15-20 lbs for any duration of trip but it feels exceedingly comfy. it could probably hold a good 50-60 lbs before really bogging down.

>>2826527
* it is the kelty trekker 65 spare parts if anyone else wants to modernize an old kelty external frame:
https://www.kelty.com/trekker-65-shoulder-straps/

True vest style straps can be really good but at about 15-20lbs they stop being comfortable, over 25lbs you gotta watch the weight limit on the bag since it's just fabric. That's find for low base weight where you're only carrying 25+ lbs for a day. Hip belts for these packs help stabilize the load, which does make a difference in comfort and effort but not as extreme as a partial or full frame.

>>2826527
for external frame packs the only thing that would compete with this is probably the large ALICE packs with all the components and a few modernization tweaks. very nice setup. i have tried some of the 50L external frame osprey packs and they suck ass. there is some kind of elastic which causes the pack to constantly pull away from the frame and your body with every step. steel tubes and nylon/canvas straps are better.

>>2826618
thanks. it lacks some modern features like load lifters but it gets the job done, and at 25% of my bodyweight a 40 lb full load is perfect. i'd avoided buying any fancy gear until last season when the eclipse forced me to camp in knee-deep snow during black bear season.

once i upgraded to a real sleep system (warbonnet hammock + tarp with dutchware bling and down quilts), cook system (trangia 27), and good organization (ultralitesacks), it really "clicked" for me.

this year's shopping cart is thankfully much slimmer and simply fills in the gaps:
>trekking poles, previously used knee braces from CVS
>various accessories like folding cup, hairbrush, new headlamp, etc.
>a couple of DCF pouches for electronics and first aid + toiletries
>food dehydrator to fine-tune meals, see >>2826522
>maybe a used mont-bell puffer to replace my $20 FB marketplace LL bean one that packs down too large
>yes i spent $90 on a meme hoodie picrel, i just like the design and would unironically wear it in society

i have never used a good internal frame but would like to try one at some point. the long-term idea was to git gud at sewing and make my own olive drab silnylon backpack on this frame. i think i'd like one huge, slightly deeper main cavity, one large front pocket with mesh pouch in front of that, and two large side pockets that span its whole length. wanna do a few long weekends on pawtuckaway's advanced trails and a week on the long trail this year before committing to that project.

also, if you want a good lol, here's a karen getting rekt by an external frame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_kUTHBspCA

Unless you're dayhiking in a desert and need 4L of water along with 3 courses of heavy meals there's no reason your daypack should be over 10-15lb

>>2824309 (OP)
>How important are hip belts if you keep your weight under 15lb and for dayhikes?
Vital to comfort, but you will survive without them. Just expect your biceps to hurt like hell from the lack of bloodflow, and maybe for your back to hurt if your stabilizator muscles are weak.

>>2826634
i bought the swagman roll (similar product to picrel) and it is awesome. i wear it around the house in winter bc i refuse to turn on the heat. camping gear can be magical. also, isn't that the neurotic cunt who is obsessed with le ultralight meme? i think she gave the titanium geopress a negative review.

>>2826672
yes, i think she's some ultralight gearfag. the main lesson i took from UL was to pay close attention to gear materials and construction. on that note, i really wish a cottage industry existed around a clone of the classic kelty frame built with titanium. the vargo ExoTi seems like a step in the wrong direction when they could've built a system improving arguably the most iconic backpack form factor to ever exist. like if i could buy a hand-welded titanium frame to transfer my pack and straps onto that was an exact copy, i'd pay $200 for that.

>>2826703
if you know a talented welder you could buy the raw materials and have them do it. welding isn't difficult though. you could do it yourself. titanium would be rather difficult to weld tho. i do purchase ultralight gear if it makes sense for the product, but i am by no means an ounce weenie.

>>2826706
yes, i invested heavily into UL hammocks and down last season. all told the bill was over $1k for:
>warbonnet single-wall XLC hammock with becket hitch suspension and titanium tree webbing hooks
>warbonnet silnylon tarp, titanium stakes, and hardware tied with zing-it (mistake! should've bought dutchware stakes with integrated hardware)
>warbonnet 30D silnylon 850 FP 20F underquilt
>enlightened equipment 850 FP 20F topquilt
>dutchware titanium hardware and zing-it line
>hammock gear accessories like mesh tarp sleeve (very useful) and ridgeline organizer for glasses, phone, headlamp, etc.
>various bags and sacks from ultralitesacks

i fully expect this gear to last a lifetime of backpacking and believe that if well cared for, i should be using the same hammock and possibly even backpack frame in retirement. but i don't know anyone who could weld titanium, my point is that external frames are so niche that everyone who makes them should coalesce around making parts compatible with a kelty trekker 65.

>>2826703
>i really wish a cottage industry existed around a clone of the classic kelty frame built with titanium
No clue if that exists for the kelty, but for Alice, there's definitely a lot of small-scale production. Frames from alumium, magnesium, fiberglass and steel (the steel ones suck, btw), dozens of variations on the belts and straps, and every type of bag you can think of.
>if i could buy a hand-welded titanium frame to transfer my pack and straps onto that was an exact copy, i'd pay $200 for that.
Doubt you'll find one for that price. My magnesium alice frame was 150$ in Japan (well, would've been, if I'd paid in dollars and taken the negative "military discount" they hit the burgers with - after telling the manufacturer I'm german, it was ~120$ in yen). Titanium is more expensive than magnesium, and if the welder doesn't have tooling already, you can easily double or triple the price.

From the looks of it, the kelty frame seems similar to the savotta xl or the särma xl, though. You might be able to make one of those frames work.

>>2826721
very nice getup. i purchased the DD hammocks ultralight tent/hammock thing about a year ago. i set it up any chance i can get. for the rest of my sleep system i just have an inflatable pad and a woobie. bivvy in case it gets too cold out. i have a full set of the czech m65 winter gear with the wool liners which i would wear in extreme cold. i also have a dd hammocks ultralight tarp for wind protection. the hammock itself has an integrated rain fly with eyelets to run cordage through.

anyone ever bought trekking poles on Amazon?

how do you feel about them?

>>2826793
I mean amazon does sell from some normal brands, but also garbage ones so it really depends

>>2826794
are the cheaper chinese brand ones really that much worse? $40 compared to 80-100+

Or should I just use a stick i find

>>2826798
Well first of all sticks are garbage compared to actual trekking poles unless you find just the perfect stick (two of them ideally). As long as it's aluminum and collapsible with clamp locks you'll probably be fine. If the clamp is an issue you usually can tighten them anyway.

>>2826386
>Waist belts that sit above your belly button are retarded

The weight of a backpack should be as high as possible on your back. Ever heard of a squat in weightlifting where they carry hundreds of pounds on their back?

It's also called a WAIST strap/belt and the waist is located just above the bellybutton.
This hip belt bullshit is just a compensation for an inherently shitty backpack design hanging too low on the back.

>>2826951

>>2824309 (OP)
A well padded hip belt is amazing. Makes a huge difference

>>2826358
Cheap Chinese garbage. I wouldn't waste my money on that. Get a better backpack. You want the weight closer to your shoulders not your back

>>2826951
Unbelievably retarded take

>>2824309 (OP)
If you're keeping your weight under 15lbs then bring a cheap school backpack. If your only concern is food and water, or just water, you don't need any kind of pack beyond a kid's bookbag.

>>2824309 (OP)
>Do I need a hipbelt to carry 15lb?

>>2824309 (OP)

It's tits on a moose, m8. I think that little belt is supposed to stop the bag from flopping around while running. Otherwise the only reason you need the belt is to cinch a wide lumbar strap down above your hips to help disperse the weight of a 50lb+ fully loaded pack off of your shoulders.

>>2826358
It's a small daypack for people who would rather have a sweaty lower back than a sweater upper back? Haven't used one but it looks like more tits on a moose.

>>2827125
I thought trekking poles were for bitches, /out/. What happened?

>>2824309 (OP)
Backpack starts swinging instantly without a hip belt, Wouldn't want to hike without.

>>2824309 (OP)
its not important for wt (at that wt.) but they do keep the pack secure to yourself and it doesnt fly over your head if you trip or bend over