>bros..

we should have right to roam so this shouldn't matter
"no trespassing" is fascism
im not trying to go in your house, I'm trying to see views and running water

>>2825240
But that's the point, I don't want to see some faggots multi-million dollar home while I am trying to see views and running water.

>>2825239 (OP)
Seriously, call you senator ans demand removal of the public land sale.

>>2825240
Well we dont have right to roam and wont get it anytime soon, so this does matter

>>2825241
As long as it's not in my photo, I don't really care - but I should be allowed to be anywhere I want as long as I'm not bothering someone, leaving trash, being loud, etc.

>>2825246
we certainly won't get it with your attitude
it exists in other countries
the concept of "no trespassing" didn't really exist before the civil war
things shouldn't be this way
most land is held by vast agricultural/mining/logging interests where the public is kept away for no good reason

>>2825247
>as long as I'm not bothering someone

Which you are. Let me guess, you will suddenly not care about bothering people.

>>2825248
most private land is simply unmonitored, it's the principle of the thing and the idea that people can be violent towards hikers on their land I am against
plenty of countries have right to roam with no issues
you are a feudalist npc

>>2825251
Why did you persist in bothering me? I thought you cared

Next time just be honest and say you want to do whatever you want
Nobody believes this moralizing for a second

>>2825239 (OP)
>proposes
It'll never pass. The House already said the Senate bill is dogshit. It wants to do a bunch of other even worse shit.

>>2825247
>where the public is kept away for no good reason
It's called Liability. You live in a dogshit country where you can sue a property owner if you get hurt on their land. That's why people put up no trespassing signs. They are saving their own ass from lawsuits from children and other retards who roam on their land and then get injuried.

>>2825307
It might

Gulp. Guess you guys shouldn't have voted for it then, huh?

>>2825240
>right to roam
best I can do is shot by a Chinese mining company

>>2825239 (OP)
I'm shocked how no one ITT so far mentioned how it's "not theirs to sell" truly the most cucked generation ever

>>2825356
instead we get these "right to roam" niggers like NO motherfucker you shouldn't even have to think about any rights at all when it comes to walking YOUR country.

>>2825356
It's congress, federal lands not already designated are theirs to sell. Whether we like it or not.

>>2825359
lmao the land of the free everyone

>>2825308
>It's called Liability.
no, that's a red herring
name a single example of a court saying someone trespassing could hold a landowner liability for damages if they didn't outright kick them off the property

it's about people being control freaks and wanting to be mini-tyrants over their patch, it's territorialism

>That's why people put up no trespassing signs.
lolno they put them up to give them an excuse to get violent with anyone nearby cuz they are monkeys who want to be violent with a justified cause

>>2825326
I didn't vote for the senators who are sponsoring this portion of the bill, no

>>2825360
And? What are you doing to change this?

>>2825426
I mean really we need a new system it should be two houses of congress that are both proportionate to population so small, red states don't have undue influence - or else this is what you get forever

>>2825388
You know nothing. It's such an issue in Colorado that they had to enact a bill just to protect property owners
https://coloradosun.com/2024/02/23/colorado-lawmakers-amend-recreational-use-statute/

>>2825428
if its such an issue why do you never cite actual cases where landowners were supposedly punished because they let people trespass who were then injured

Next administration will just take it back

>>2825422
Your fellow countrymen did. That's democracy baby

>>2825245
do you have any further information on this addendum? like id like to completely understand what im complaining about before calling

>>2825446
https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-where-250-million-acres-public-land-being-sold-off-2086852

the walmart at the bottom of the grand canyon meme was not quite accurate, we'll get one right on the edge instead

These maps people are making are really just maps of all the federal land that isnt specifically protected in a monument or wilderness area. These lands have not been specifically outlined in the bill as elligble for sale, this is just what some people think is elligble because these lands have no protections. Remember that the way the current bill is written they have to sell 2-3 million acres, which is not 250 million. I'd like to see a version of these maps that follows the language of the executive order and talking points about their claimed purpose of the land sale for housing development - only undesignated land within 5 miles of an urban area. I'm still against any large selling of public land but its not as big as these articles are all making it out to be

>>2825462
It's a shit bill and has loop holes
>only undesignated land within 5 miles of an urban area.
They will just sell land within the 5 miles, develop it, sell more l and next to that newly developed land and so forth. 3M acres of land is a lot. They could wipe out entire giant sections of NF if they wanted to with this over the course of 4 years.

>>2825440
That’ll be pretty hard to do when they’ve already been turned into parking lots and mines

>>2825487
there's some places u can drive through mines to get to public land if the mine isn't in operation its kinda weird cuz like roads are usually public and you should be able to GET to public land
also there's examples of strip mines that were turned back into parks and some are really nice

>>2825307
yea but the house and the senate and the supreme court and the presidency are all also dogshit. and if you haven't noticed, they've been selling America for spare parts.

>>2825494
the real issue is the senate is 2 per state instead of population proportional, you basically cannot have a democratic controlled senate that can overwhelm the filibuster, and that's intentional, they don't want to let progressives do anything cuz the government is about the interests of large land owners

>>2825458
>https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-where-250-million-acres-public-land-being-sold-off-2086852
thanks. So its not actually as dire as twitter screenshots would leave you to believe. I'm still opposed to it in principle but its also disingenuous to pretend that drilling on otherwise barren land is the same as turning Yellowstone into a resort like they almost did in the 1880s.
Also the checkerboard swap has the potential to be a net positive, although the debacle in the Crazy Mountains is a reason to be cautious.

>>2825494
Yeah and in less than a year they will lose both the house and senate. Passing this bill seals the fate for republicans to lose the midterms and likely 2028.

>>2825239 (OP)
Not only would Hitler have sent you to Auschwitz for suggesting this but he would have had every moral right to do so

You emotional drama queens need to actually learn whats happening before you get your panties all performatively twisted

>>2825600
>>2825582
you're fucking rubes if you're hoping for the GOP and billionaires to do the right thing. here's your 'Fell for it Again Award'

>>2825586
you have more faith than i do. people have the memory of goldfish anymore. they'll get to the voting booth and vote for their team like they always do, regardless of what they do.

>>2825616
I live on the East Coast. I don't give a shit what happens to your land. And the bill will pass and you can't do shit. So keep crying.

>>2825618
I hope you get raped by a nigger you faggot.

>>2825618
i don't live in the west either, and i have my own /out/ land, i'm just not a massive faggot

>>2825252
he's right you're just a buck broken retard

>>2825618
good cuck, keep licking those boots

>>2825239 (OP)
>Get SBRS and suppressors
>But lose the fun places to shoot them
Damn

>>2825239 (OP)
They got what they wanted and now they can do whatever they want. Don’t like it? Illegal? Unconstitutional? Oh well, maybe the courts will stop it…oh wait. We could have avoided this. We knew his administration would be bad for all of us. But we just handed the country over to the rich. We’re fucked and there’s nothing we can do.

>>2825240
>we should have right to roam
Fast foward some hundred years and everything is houses and backyards. No free roaming.

>>2825616
>you have more faith than i do. people have the memory of goldfish anymore. they'll get to the voting booth and vote for their team like they always do, regardless of what they do.
Maybe it's you that has the memory of a goldfish. Trump lost the senate and nearly the house in his first term and it's only because of how poorly Biden did that republicans gained speed again

>>2825909
pff yea barely lost it, and then you still have trojan horse fake democrats like Sinema, Manchin, Fetterman

>>2825240
>im not trying to go in your house, I'm trying to see views and running water
That's exactly what a nigger or pack of thieves tell me while casing my place
*Click Schlack*
No deal

>>2825247
>I'm not bothering someone, leaving trash, being loud, etc.
And now you see the problem
If I let you start going where you please on land I payed every penny for then the litterers, hobos, cigarette bummers, loud as niggers will show up too
No deal

>>2825388
>it's territorialism
That's right, so don't be crossing tracks unless you want to get whip cracked, clapped and buried.

>>2825430
Because property owners are vigilant, beside you attempting to imply that a lack of cited cases against the owners changes the facts that liability laws and property owners must abide their end exist is a fallacy
"Trespassers, who enter without permission, are owed the least duty of care. Generally, property owners are not liable for injuries to trespassers unless caused by intentional harm or gross negligence. An exception exists for child trespassers under the “attractive nuisance” doctrine, which requires owners to secure property features that could pose hidden dangers to children, such as pools or abandoned equipment."

I'm sure there is plenty of cases, and most of them are dismissed because the judge figures out you are just a nigger with serious boundary respect issues
I don't give the neighbors dogs a pass so I sure as fuck aren't giving you one

>>2825936
Forgot link
https://legalclarity.org/if-someone-falls-on-your-property-are-you-liable/

>>2825430
NTA, but you're going to keep moving those goalposts aren't you, faggot? Just accept the fact that no one wants you fucking around on their property and you don't have some innate right to do so.

>>2825904
>We’re fucked and there’s nothing we can do.
You must be the worlds biggest pussy if you are just going to do nothing.

Mike Lee gave it up. Utah takes yet another L on their quest to get federal lands

>>2826782
I find this gaslighting, whiny response utterly repulsive.

>>2825239 (OP)
Now we just have to worry about this:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/managing-land/planning/roadless

>>2826790
He's been at this for years now trying to get the fed to sell back all the BLM/NF land to Utah to manage. I know this time he was trying to play it off as housing development but there is a metric fuck ton of oil and gas under utah land. It's like one of the top 15 states for it and they mostly can't touch it because fed land.

>>2826804
>>2826782
>>2826790
Also his whole "muh china", "muh blackrock" is such a scam. The original bill didn't have any requirements as to who could buy the land. If he actually wants to lower housing prices he could do what Texas is doing and actually ban foreign countries from owning land in the state, but he won't.

>>2825586
And the land is already marked to be sold, and the democrats are too cowardly to reverse it

>>2825998
the only thing i can think to do (which i can say) is protest (which i have) and call my senators (and i have never seen a single piece of evidence that that does anything)

>>2825427
6 of the 10 least populous states vote reliably blue wtf are you babbling about.

>>2825388
This happens constantly. There’s a whole thing about for example attractive nuisances

>>2825357
>what are property rights and why are they important
Literal morons

>>2825495
You mean like the house? Which is also red?

>>2826924
It got removed from the bill retard

>>2825240
Britain has a right to wonder, meaning you can cut through people’s property on foot, or at least it used to. It’s the one thing I thought they did right regarding rights.

>>2825428
That was for ski resorts

>>2825239 (OP)
It won't matter soon, because there won't be any access to public land anyway.