>the slowest hiker in the group sets the pace

Should this apply 100% of the time or is there some nuance? What if the slowest hiker in the group is also super experienced, has excellent navigational abilities, is comfortable hiking in the dark, and has no problem staying overnight in a tent/hammock/bivy if needed? Would it be the end of the world if the experienced but slow hiker were in the back of the group and could go at his own comfortable pace? The way I see it, the "slowest hiker in the group sets the pace" mantra only applies to inexperienced hikers who could get in serious trouble if he/she were separated from the pack. What say you, anons?

100% of the time
I am a super slow fat hiker but I know how to navigate
>hiking in the dark
um ive done it but I don't enjoy it - more like an emergency thing and I dunno if a headlamp would fit me

>Would it be the end of the world if the experienced but slow hiker were in the back of the group and could go at his own comfortable pace?
yes, hiking is a social experience and there's often many twists and turns and you can easily get separated going different speeds

If you're a fat fuck who can't walk at a reasonable pace then you have no business hiking

Whats the point of hiking with someone if you arent going to hike with them?

>>2828990 (OP)
Depends how shitty of a friend you are. If you agreed to go with them as a group then stick to it. If you're not then don't invite them or go alone. Simple as.
>>2829001
Exactly. It's fucking retarded to go as a group and then abandon people in it.

>>2829000
If you're a stupid meathead who can't appreciate your surroundings, and aren't well-versed in tree/plant/fungi/rock/species identification, then you have no business hiking and should do your exercises in a gym

>>2829005
I like covering distance, exploring, and seeing a variety of sights. I'm not interesting in covering one measly mile because you're out of shape ass can't keep up

>>2829007
>I'm not interesting in covering one measly mile because you're out of shape ass can't keep up
So just go ahead. That's the whole point of this thread. Slower hikers shouldn't have to set the pace for everybody else if they're experienced and knowledgeable enough to hike at their own pace and then meet the faster hikers at camp later on.

>>2829010
Fair enough, carry on anon, I'll see ya there

>>2828990 (OP)
Sometimes people just aren't compatible to go /out/ together, even if they're good friends otherwise
>go camping with a semi-autist gymbro friend I have
>I showed him /out/ a few months ago
>he is ex-Army artilleryman so I assumed he knew basic stuff
>Doing a quick 1 night backpacking trip on part of the VT long trail
>wearing his military boots. I know they are heavy and not good hiking boots but he insists they are fine and he didnt wanna buy any new shit cuz he has like 4 pairs of them already"
>hes breathing pretty heavy on the way up
>get to the top
>stop to set up camp/eat dinner
>sets up a shitty lean to with a fucking rain poncho and just a bivybag on the ground for his "camp", insists that "nah bro I dont really like a tent unless its raining hard"
>Im setting up my camp stove to heat up a dehydrated beef stew package
>mf'er pulls out a gallon of water...like a plastic poland springs container
>a few pop tarts and a can of chef boyardee and some peanut butter
>Pulls out a FUCKING 12 PACK of Coors Banquets - I swear to God not even memeing 1/2 his pack weight must have been shitty beer
>Throws me one and says "cheers bro"
>I accept cuz i dont wanna be mean, but dumped most of mine out cuz I didnt wanna be hungover for the hike down
>we chill at camp and he drinks NO JOKE like 6-7 beers, keeps making chit chat with me while im trying to just enjoy the serenity of nature and tend to the camp
>go to sleep (I KNOW for a fact he was cold in the wind and probally woudnt even be able to sleep if not for all the alcohol he drank)
> he drinks 2 more the next morning says "no need to carry extra weight on the way back lol"
>the whole time we are hiking down he keeps stopping to "take pictures"/ "look at the views"(I know that fucker was just tired, dehydrated from drinking beer and hungover and probally just couldnt keep up) and wanted to just chill and eat his granola
Never again.

>>2828991
>hiking is a social experience

>>2829014
Yes. Do you not have friends and a girlfriend to go hiking with?

>>2829014
If you hike with other people, yes it is

>>2829019
Outdoor athlete here. Over 90% of my hikes are solo and it's not because of lack of friends either. It's because nobody I've hiked with can match my pace and stamina. The only hikes I ever do with others fall on the casual side. Also, I suspect that potential hiking partners are intimidated by my hiking prowess.

>>2829014
I like talking to people while I walk. Most people hike 2 miles an hour - minimum - I average 1 mile per hour - less if it's mostly uphill (1:20) so yeah, I go real slow, but you can still get place - it just takes time.

>>2829019
>>2829043
You're not oversocialized, right?

>>2829012
i've seen this before..........

>>2828990 (OP)
Yes, it's a safety issue. You should always remain within eyesight.

>>2829012
What do you think military boots are made for?

>ask friend to go hiking with
>he's walking slower than me
>I bolt ahead
>90% of the hike i'm alone
>make it to the overlook
>sit there for 30m
>he's still not there
>start heading back
>see him on the way
>ask him how it's going
>continue back to the cars
>end up waiting an hour for him to make it back to the cars
>head home
Told him he needs to get into better shape before we left. Like why agree if you can't keep up lol

>>2828990 (OP)
I always set the pace. Only the strong can hike with me.

> Want to hike fast, go alone.
> Want company, hike slow.
> Want to go fast with company, call friends who hike fast

Are you people retarded or just have max two friends?

I have no problem pushing the fatties to go faster if we're in a hurry. If I'm doing reservist training, or a pushed hunt im not going to slow down just because some boomer feels entitled to be included. Catch up.

>>2829012
You sound gay asf

>>2829012
Sounds like a great guy and a real outdoorsman. You on the other hand sound like an urbanite faggot, if i may say so.

>>2829001
This.

>>2829001
This.

>the slowest hiker in the group sets the pace

Literally has to exist because try hards like OP.

>>2829206
>safety issue
How is it any less safe than going on a solo hike?

>>2828990 (OP)
Whenever I hike with beginners they always walk as fast as possible, as if they have to catch the train for work. I keep telling them to calm down and soak in the environment and be vary of were they put their feet. Works for a while but then they keep going at it again. Started out putting the slowest ones on the front but now I go front instead as long as no one us unnaturally slow such as OPs pic.

>>2828990 (OP)

>>2829268
because you can get separated and one of you could get injured and not know where the other is and then you have a big problem, especially if there's no cell reception

>>2828990 (OP)
I just leave people behind then stop to wait later

>>2829012
Damn that guy sounds based as fuck

>>2829334
What I used to do is wait for the slower hikers to catch up and then immediately leave them behind when they did. In the cycling world, this is referred to as a "Fuck You Stop." It's fun.

Now I just go solo where I can rip up the mountains at my own pace.

>be mil fag in Japan with a gf
>Command is setting up a trip to hike up Mt Fuji
>I'm excited
>Gf sees my excitement and wants to come because she doesn't see me excited much and wants to share in it
>I tell her it will be harder than she thinks
>I tell her she shouldn't come unless she is doing it for herself and not me
>She insists
Day of
>I set minimum pace to get to the top and back down before bus leaves
>Slow down
>My feet hurt
>I need the tourist trap oxygen can
>How are those grade school kids passing us?
>We got to the checkpoint before the summit and we're pretty much out of time
I strongly considered abandoning her at the checkpoint and sprinting to the top, knowing that it would end our relationship.
She apologized for holding me back, and I told her that it was ok, I was just going to bring up how she kept me from reaching the top of Fuji every argument, forever.
We are not together anymore but are still friendly, and I still bring up mt Fuji when she pisses me off

>>2829000
Skinny fag here, stfu the fuck up retard. The trails are for everyone and fatties deserve to hike and become less fatty too. More people on the trails is a good thing. More people enjoying public lands means more people care about public lands and there’s more public sentiment to make more and protect existing lands from the billionaire parasite class who want to rape them for their short term profit at our expense.

>>2828990 (OP)
No one, skinny or fat, should be left behind in a group. It’s ok to be a slow hiker, just find someone else who will hang back with you or who is also a slow hiker. A slow hiker should know their ability and be real with themself. Don’t go hiking with a bunch of trail runners if you are slow. Find naturalist friends. Plantfags and birdfags love going slow and looking at stuff.

Pic unrelated

>>2828990 (OP)
I have that problem backcountry skiing. My pace is slow and steady and I ski with all these ultra marathoner dudes who literally run up the mountain. It's kinda dangerous to leave people behind while skiing, so they just wait for me at the top of the hill. The expectation is I don't take a break and I'm okay with that. If your homies won't wait for you though, find a different group to hike with or bring someone with a similar pace, so you aren't left alone.

>>2829354
Based common sense haver

>>2829354
As more and more people use our trails, we are going to have to consider the larger impact on the ground that larger people have. We track and regulate weights of trucks on highways to prevent damage by heavier vehicles to our roads, and we will have to soon do the same with larger people on our trails.

>>2829348
>I strongly considered abandoning her at the checkpoint and sprinting to the top, knowing that it would end our relationship.
>Can't set a basic boundary inside his relationship
>We are not together anymore but are still friendly, and I still bring up mt Fuji when she pisses me off
>Or outside of one
Lmao! Some of you zogbots are truly the most pathetic specimens on the planet. Was she also a fat welfare queen spic?

>>2829354
>>2829424
As a professional loser videogame-and-anime nerd who also appreciates the beauty of nature, you should gatekeep the fuck out of your hobby and refuse entry to as many people as you can.
If you wanna stick it to the billionaires, give up your hobbies. They will eventually buy you out one way or another. If you want to enjoy your hobby, you should resist any changes that might make it more accessible.

If I'm not fit enough to participate in your hobby then I should not be welcome to participate in it.
Protect yourselves from your empathy; it will betray you.

>>2828991
>I am a fat fuck so you have to wait for me because I'm scared of the dark and I'm too fat to wear a headlamp
lose weight you fat piece of shit

>>2829425
She's a skinny lawyer spic now
While I am a fat aryan environmentalist
Neither of us collect any benefits

Why would you hike with an incapable person? They've going to become your responsibility and fuck that

>>2828990 (OP)
i fucked this chick once at her biggest

>>2829035
God you sound so fucking insufferable. Nobody hikes with you because nobody likes you.

>>2828991
>hiking is a social experience

Where do you think you are right now?

I think it is fine to agree to a final destination and split up the group on the trail. I am an experienced outdoorsman. I do not like fast walking. I walk slowly.
No one should go alone though. Everyone should have a partner at minimum.

>>2828990 (OP)
>is there some nuance?
Of course there is. At least one competent person should be at the head or near the head of the group and another competent person at the tail of the group. At worse, you divide the group into 2 subgroups, one fast one that can do extra stuff and one slow subgroup who'll just try to complete the minimum.

>>2828990 (OP)
well i mean enjoy at your own pace right? but if you want to stick together you have to compromise

>>2829000
pokemon chud hiker would heavily disagree bucko

>>2829213
It’s hard to tell if you’re gonna mog or get mogged beforehand
>>2828990 (OP)
If the slower hiker isn’t making camp with you he’s not in your group anymore

>>2829430
loser mindset

>>2830402
I don't think it's a loser mindset to say "the onus is on me to keep up with you if you're faster than me."

>>2830403
If you are hiking with a group it's because you chose to
If you don't want to hike with others just don't
But if you decide to hike with someone who is less fit or less experienced then you meet them where they are at.
If you abandon them they will not have fun or want to do anything like this with you again
If you push them, then they are more likely to injured themselves

>>2830409
That's a lot of "if" statements but none of them really matter to what I said. My advice was to make the slow person uncomfortable and unwelcome before they go hiking with you. People should only be part of the group if they can keep up with the group.

>>2830414
Nobody likes you and everyone here would really prefer if you just left. Thanks but we dont want you to be part of the 4chan group.

>>2830418
This is what I'm alluding to, actually. The exact situation in my picture! I've been on 4chan since 2006 so it's probable that I was here before you, yet you're now telling me that I don't belong and that I should go. You butt into my space, and then change the space and say that I don't fit in it anymore.
This is why gatekeeping is important.

>>2830424
What a load of shit. You got here yesterday.

Just follow your own philosophy. If a group member (you) isnt wanted (you arent), then they (you) should just leave. Thats your thought, remember, not mine. Go ahead and do it.

>>2830425
Your point of view isn't as ubiquitous as you think, or this thread wouldn't exist. My two cents are worth just as much as yours.
If you want happy huggy time where you invite people who can't keep your pace and you wait for them, go for it.
If you are the slow piece of shit that everyone else has to wait for, fuck you, but if your group of caretakers is willing to put up with you then who am I to question it.

>>2830128
I think it's good for fatties to hike but they should have their own groups. Mixing capable semi-athletic people with slow fatties is like mixing oil and water. And the reason all the pokemon hikers are fat is because they all got left behind; capable pokemon hikers already made it to the top of Indigo Plateu, beat the Elite Four and are back at their day jobs, not standing around in one place all day waiting for children to start fights with.

>>2830425
Nah, I gotta agree with anon here. If there's one fat/out of shape person tagging along on a hike filled with fit and experienced people, maybe they just shouldn't come. It'll be a miserable time for everyone

>>2830538
it depends
if the fast people know a slowpoke is coming they can at least prep for it mentally and maybe compensate by taking way more heavy fun bullshit, like multiple six-packs in ice for when they all get to the peak
also when I’m booking it up the mountain I don’t spend much time just looking around and enjoying being in nature
having to periodically wait for a slowpoke kind of forces that, which doesn’t suck if you’re OK with it and don’t have it sprung on you by surprise
t. kind of mid at hiking speed