Thread 2840559

Do /out/ agree ?

Most of them are overpriced, but they do work provided you can keep the panels in full sun for the day.

>>2840559 (OP)
im never going to use one so I dont really care

>>2840559 (OP)
They are very much a scam. The only reason they are as cheap and as ubiquitous as they are is because of government interference in the free market. Solar panels are good for calculators, highly mobile off-grid, and very off-grid permanent living. Everything else has been a misallocation of capital and a disaster for the human race.

>>2840559 (OP)
>SCAM
At the level in op pic, no. Not a scam. You can recharge your devices, power a radio or satellite up/down link, pc/laptop, TV. If those things are important to you, yes not a scam. Powering your fridge/deep freezer for a couple of days is just a matter of scale. This could save lives by refrigerating medications or $100s even $1000s in food preservation. As I said, scaling to your requirements (or desire) is the key to functionality. Over do your system and you have a surplus. Under scale, and your fridge goes hot in a day or less. Think of it as an intermediate step to full off-the-grid.
>>2840571
>a disaster for the human race.
Drama queen much? Whew.

Only inasmuch as that size panel charging that size battery would take many hours of direct sunlight. When I've been car camping I rarely stay in one place for enough hours to be worth setting up the solar panel.
The battery is ace though for keeping the fridge running since I don't have dual battery system in the car.

>>2840622
Yeah the performance are not good.
Scam confirmed.

Any alternative ?

>>2840639
just buying the components and making your own

>>2840639
Performance is whatever you make of it. If you want to charge faster you can get more panels. It's up to you to do math and figure out how long you can keep them in the sun and how many watts you need for your devices. A 100 watt panel in full sun for 6-8 hrs should be able to recharge half of a 500 watt hour battery pack (you don't want to go below half for battery health reasons).

>>2840559 (OP)
If you're hiking just get picrel. 20k MaH for 16oz of weight. 2 of them should last you a week just put your phone in power saving mode and get headlamps that don't chew thru battery.

>>2840622
Dude if youre car camping what's the point? You have a literal gasoline generator attached to your vehicle just install an inverter on it and get a battery.

>>2840843
Forgot pic

>>2840571
They're literally being subsidized by the chinese government, so what is it to you.

>>2840559 (OP)
There are several youtubers who go on month-long trips using these things to keep all their camera gear working. I assume they must work to some degree, since cameras and drones chug batteries like nothing else.

>>2840855
how? why? why would the chinese government make panels outside china cheaper? shouldnt they subsidise installation and not production?

>>2840845
Deos this work on Nokia? Because it doesn't say Nokia.

>>2840877
>why would the chinese government make panels outside china cheaper?
As part of some ind of nefarious plot. Never trust a communist. Have you ever seen a communist drink a glass of.water?

>>2840887
im a communist myself and i only drink milk or tea

>>2840571
>Clean, safe and cheap energy
The horror! How will humanity ever survive such a calamity?

>>2840559 (OP)
Depends on the use case, really. Or do you mean price-wise?

>>2840889
Exactly.

>>2840930
>Clean
Its ok if china pollutes it's rivers

>>2840877
They recognized they will be a major component of future energy supply
So now they use dumping prices to kill all competitors, then hike up prices and/or force countries (especially third world ones) into political concessions by threat of not delivering any more.

>>2840972
yes, lithium notoriously is a material used in solar panels. also your photo is in bolivia

>>2840559 (OP)
did...did you not do the math first and thought you could run an assload of techjunk on a little battery and a tiny panel and now you are butthurt?
I mean, there is a bunch of cheaply and poorly made trash out there, but either way you have to do the math first.

>>2840843
>just install an inverter on it and get a battery.
My car is very small, about equal to a modern corolla wagon, no room for a dual battery. Also lucky if I get /out/ in it half a dozen times a year, the install cost/complexity is not worth it. The 50ah lithium box has 240v built in, MPPT solar built in, comes in handy for situations other than car camping, can be removed from the vehicle etc. Just fits my needs perfectly.

>>2841204
used for the batteries numbnuts

the solar panels are basically useless at night without them

>>2841370
>you can only store energy through lithium ions stored in a box
ok boomer
i have 2kw of solar on the roof feeding into a tropical greenhouse (a repurposed walk in closet). theres 500w of heat and 300w of light going while the sun is up. why is the solar oversized? panels are crazy cheap and i dont want cloud cover hindering me. no lithium in the setup and works flawlessly

>>2840559 (OP)
i have a small solar panel to charge my battery pack/gps while out hunting, it's fine for that purpose. if i tried to stay /out/ longer than 5 days, i'd look into more low/no power options or better off-grid charging options

>>2841371
>using solar panels just to immediate turn the electricity generated into light and heat
so, you really are retarded.

>>2841532
its cheap and works. i cant use the natural light because i need to be able to turn it off at a moments notice and it needs to be 100% humid the whole time. also sunlight where i live has a different heat/light ratio compared to the ground floor of the amazon
the room is also insulated on all 5 sides (not the floor, unfortunately) so there are no windows
also the setup has paid for its self because i use it to grow drugs lol

>>2841538
really not beating the stupid druggie allegations there son, how do you keep your lights on when it's cloudy? What about monsoon season? You're probably just using autoflowers so your grow is retard proof, I don't even know why I'm asking. What if you wanted to keep a fridge going all night, like you already do and pay for from the grid? All it would take is a battery and an inverter.

>>2841538
There's an even more efficient and reliable way to grow plants using sunlight for light and heat.
It's called a greenhouse you dumb drug addled negro.
so yeah, the batteries are an important part of a solar power plan that isn't for someone who smoked themselves retarded.

>>2841624
>cloudy
no problem, if its slightly cloudy my the system produces enough power to run it. i oversized my solar, remember? if its very cloudy i plug it into my home system
>monsoon season
unnecessary
>autoflowers
im not growing weed or anything that i harvest the flowers from
i have black pepper, salvia divornum, psychotria, b cappi, sphagnum moss and an aristolochioides. im also starting an erythroxylum bonsai because i think its funny, but it doesnt really need to be in there. there are a few more on the wanted list but i havent seen them pop up anywhere
>retard proof
my brother almost killed some of them when i was overseas. you know what he did? left the door open overnight
>fridge
why is my fridge revelant? its on the home system and i have no plans to change that
>battery and an inverter
i have an inverter but i dont have a battery. the battery cost just isnt worth it which is why im doing what im doing, it works and has been working for a while

>>2841664
>reliable
not true, i would have to rely 100% on the sun had i had a greenhouse. the way it currently is if the sun fucks me up i can use my home electricity to power it
>efficient
maybe but its working how it is now, why would i change it?
>greenhouse
i said this before but natural sunlight has the wrong ratio of heat and light. if i use the sun to heat it i either let in more light than the plants can cope with or it isnt insulated enough to keep them happy overnight. it will also be too cold if i only let in a small amount of light but insulate it. either way i need to run power in there
>drug addled
i rarely use what i grow, less than monthly. more often i give them to friends or sell them
>smoked themselves retarded
ive never smoked anything that came from that room and have never smoked weed in general
why do you think weed is the only drug plant that exists?

>>2841703
>why do you think weed is the only drug plant that exists?
you are the one that said weed bruh.

>>2841707
what? both posts i replied to there referenced weed
one said autoflowers and the other said i smoked myself retarded

>>2841703
bro lmao what the fuck is this entire post, you literally went and tried to line by line break down why you can't possibly be wrong. Okay dude, so you grow something besides weed, you're basically being retarded by not storing the extra energy in batteries - full stop. Running literally only a grow directly off your panels with DC has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard and you should go around in non anonymous places that get more than a dozen visitors a day talking about how you've created this setup and see how quickly everyone calls you out for being retarded

>>2841703
just imagine being this retarded while being this confident about it, lol.

>>2841753
>>2841811
i literally dont see what the problem is and seemingly no one can explain it. ive showed people irl what ive done and every time i open the door their jaw drops to the ground. i explain why i cant easily do it outside and i show them the bill of materials and no one has any more questions. although obviously i only show people if they grow shit themselves, so i guess they are more qualified than people here
it was cheap, its indoors so i can visit it without going outside and its perfectly reliable. ive also never had a pest issue (i have to manually feed my aristolochioides) or any fungal problems. whats the issue?
i just posted how i use panels without batteries, i only need power when the sun is up

>>2841848
your dumb friends are either being nice or as stupid as you

seriously the only place you could get away with saying this is an anonymous forum because anywhere else would've gotten you branded a retard for life

>>2841864
you have literally no idea what youre talking about
anyway im closing the thread now

>>2841889
>anyway im closing the thread now
your concession is accepted.

>>2840559 (OP)
I have a 20W travel panel that is enough to charge a battety pack enough to recharge my phone and baofeng radio daily. I would say it is not a meme.

>>2840877
>why would the chinese government make panels outside china cheaper?
Dumping to kill competition for a manufacturing monopoly. Also jobs for their workers promotes stability. Money is a gay trick that is worthless since they just type numbers in a computer to make more.

>>2840559 (OP)
I used that exact model for two months when I was manning a salmon weir. Got all my power from either it or a little Honda generator. On a clear sunny day, it produced as much power as the generator. Barely anything at all if overcast. I thought it was a cruel joke when I had to pack it out, but in the end it was my favorite piece of gear because it freed us from having to ration battery. We had weeks straight where we could run the starlink all day long or charge your phone guilt free. Everyone who manned that weir before us with the generator alone said they could only get an hour or two of wifi and charging a day when they ran the generator. Loved that little thing.

>>2840559 (OP)
Yeah it's a scam if you buy a pre-made kit like this. Jews love selling outdoor normies shit like this, it's high margin.

>https://batteryhookup.com/
>Facebook marketplace or Craigslist for panels.
Bring a multimeter with you to test them before purchase. Save 80% per Wh using Kahn academy and YouTube to learn how to manufacture your own battery bank, balancing cells, installing a bmw, how to wire series, parallel etc.. a retard can do it. Shit, you could even build one for your home if you're a prepper.

>>2842341
this is only worthwhile if your time is useless

>>2840559 (OP)
if you do you research, its good tech with its uses.

but why is 4 chan getting so much anti-solar spam suddenly ?

>>2840845
I don't trust anker they've been getting recalled for being fire hazard chinkslop. Quality has plummeted for them which sucks I need a good battery pack

>>2842457
>Learning a new skill is worthless just pay someone else who wasted their time to learn it with your money you earn by expending zero effort.
This might be true if you're trying to build a megawatt farm in your back yard, this is a 4 hour DIY project max.

>>2840559 (OP)
just make your own hydro turbine and camp near running water.

>>2840877
>>2840855
The CCP isn't "subsidizing" in the western sense of the world.
Instead its a concept where the entire supply chain has to sell inside of China at cost, and the exporter is the only one who is allowed to go above margin.

The catch is that the government might have to step in to subsidize IF there is a economical slowdown, since the margin is the entire supply chain is very very thing, which also means there is a unnaturally fast set of mergers and acquisitions.
And a lot of bankruptcies, since a lot of the companies are not in a export position.

>>2840843
>You have a literal gasoline generator attached to your vehicle just install an inverter on it and get a battery.
The logistical hurdle of that.
Once setup, a good system will keep on going for days. Vs the generator needing to be on/off manually once in a while to avoid bottoming out the 12v batteries.

The catch remains that using a scavenged UPS and a custom 12v system salvaged car batteries or a large pile of cheap 18650 cells is several times more bang for your buck, while the solar panels are still priced somewhat cheap.

>>2842469
I have the skills and knowledge to design and build my own battery pack. I don't have the equipment to build it into such a small and robust package.

>>2840843
>literal gasoline generator attached to your vehicle
From what I was told when I looked into this, an alternator is not designed for the kinds of current loads you will want from a generator. You are going to burn it out very quickly. RVs have 2 alternators : a normal one for the vehicle, and a beefy one for the house.

A good portable private charger solar panel/inverter/batteries goes for like 3k.
1.2 kilowatt, say two 600 watt bifacial panels for 800$, 400 amp hours of batteries (1,200$), and inverter box for 1,000$ Rig it all up like this guy has his.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjVwIREjfxI
Throw it in the back of a 4x4 truck bed, and you have potable power practically anywhere in the united states. That's enough to power a minifridge, a t.v., cellular/satellite internet, a tea kettle, water pump, and a small window air-conditioning unit.

>>2842894
>600 watt bifacial panels
These are bigger then what you want mounted to your truck.

>>2840930
>Clean
This shit contaminates a lot when they get discarded (which happens a lot due to their relatively short lifespan)
Nuclear is unironically cleaner

>>2843460
Only some types of it. and then it depends entirely on how the waste is treated. It doesn't leech in use.

>>2840930
Clean, excluding the violence used to subsidize their production.

>>2840559 (OP)
I highly doubt that panel can charge that battery with any kind of speed unless it's in the desert being babysit all day so it points exactly at the sun. I've fucked with solar charging a bit for camping and you get at best maybe 80% of the promised current out of the panel. Then you lose some of that to heat to run the charger and heat from the batteries charging. Now you get three more of those panels setups, for eight total panels, you can probably get a decent enough charge you don't have to babysit the thing all day and can enjoy your camping experience.

>>2842468
>Quality has plummeted for them
This. I used to always buy their batteries since they would always have a few more Ah than the rated capacity. Now that they switched to cheaper cells they never reach the stated capacity. Maybe part of that is their switch from 18650s to pouch cells.

>>2840845
yep. I just bring a couple of these with me when I go innawoods

>>2840571
Found the MAGAt

I got a 100mw panel but couldn't for the life of me work out how to wire it to a battery. The power output of the panel was either 12v series or 24v parallel, depending how you wired it. But because it's three phase it just kept tripping the battery fuse.

Is it the wrong battery, wiring, am I missing a part? Does the battery have the wrong fuse? I just don't know.

The panel itself is practical but if you can't run anything off it directly the weight of the battery makes the whole setup ridiculous. Unless you've got a portable HAM kit or something, so its just gathering dust

>>2843460
Congratulations, anon. This is the dumbest shit I've read all day.

>>2843937
Cadmium telluride cells contain cadmium. And many cells contain lead for solder (which is not strictly necessary though). If you use nontoxic cells or recycle the toxic ones properly, emissions basically go down to nothing. Of course the firing of coal and oil also emits literal tons of cadmium, lead and other heavy metals, not ot mention various other industrial processes.

>>2840843
>>>2840559 (OP)(OP)
>If you're hiking
hang on, did you seriously think people are taking those panels and battery unit in op's pic hiking?

>>2840559 (OP)
I have the 2kwh Bluetti one for my camper trailer, because it wasn’t any more expensive than adding 2kwh of LiFePo and a house inverter to the trailer and I figured portable was better than fixed, because I could use it to do things like charge my trolling motor batteries while boat camping in Voyaguers. My RV has a 1kwh LiFePo group 27 deep cycle, 400 watts of solar on the roof and I have 2 more foldable 200 watt panels. These all can share electricity via XT60 DC connectors, so the charge controllers in the power station and for the house battery can draw from solar at the same time and the DC appliances can pull from the house battery, the panels, and the power station, and the AC inverter can pull power for the AC appliances from all sources as well. If I’m not setting up the foldable panels, the roof top panels need 4 hours/day of direct sunlight to keep the refrigerator running (or 6 hours if it’s cloudy). With the panels set up, if I can get 8 hours a day of direct sunlight, it will keep everything fully charged even if I run the air conditioning 24/7. If I can only get 4 hours of direct sunlight on the roof and I can’t set up the panels, I can run the AC at night for 5 nights before I need to get a shore power charge or risk the freezer defrosting.

I’ll probably pick up 2 more of the 200 watt folding solar panels eventually, I’ve been camping in the woods a lot and I can’t always get enough direct sunlight.

>>2840559 (OP)
Solar power always was, always is, and always will be a scam.
Don't fall for it.
Let it die like every other dead-end technology.

>>2840639
Gasoline generator.
Fossil fuel wins again.

Question is, why be reliant on the sun shining.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-Multifunctional-220V110V12V-Hand-Cranked-Power_1601494906221.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.p_offer.d_image.109713a0fk2G12&priceId=64b631ce0d40479a96e4d393459a64bf

These are really hard to find in North America apart from toy versions, but the chinks are a practical people. They're usually 220V, but a plug-in converter to 120V is cheap.

I found this thing outside yesterday and it works to my satisfaction. Been looking for a bit to see what it is but I can’t come up with anything. Anybody recognize it?

>>2844665
>>2844666
>he thinks hes going to get use out of a flimsy 1w solar panel
anything under 20w is worthless, go on aliexpress and have a search

The panels yes, the charging station no. Those big fuckers are excellent. You can even hook them up to your car so that they charge while you drive.

Some of them will charge a mobile phone 60+ times on 1 charge, that's the mid-priced one right now.

>>2845312
>X is worthless
>go to Y and buy even more worthless junk

>>2840843
>>2840845
I have that exact model. Holds a charge damn well

>>2840559 (OP)
>N-noooo.... I must rely on Saudi Arabia for fuel....

>>2840571
muh free market hasn't been a thing ever dumb dumb except maybe way way back when we were trading bone charms for seashells

>>2840559 (OP)
Scam.
Solar power is bullshit.