Hungarians and Finns speak Finno-Ugric languages, totally unrelated to the Indo-European languages of most other Europeans. Their genetics also differ significantly from surrounding populations in haplogroups and ancestral components. Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”

>>507017774 (OP)
>slav monkeys are huwite
finally debunked

>>507017774 (OP)
whats the date on the samples? Pre-WW2?

>>507017774 (OP)
Spain is whiter than Italy? interesting.

>>507018914
Mid-2010s

But they’d basically be the same even if they were taken before WW2

>>507017774 (OP)
Perhaps these distinctions aren't significant?

>>507017774 (OP)
It’s called bleaching

All the asiatic groups that tried to take over western areas are the ones who instead got assimilated

>>507018036
FPBP

>>507019064
Italy should be two countries

>>507019064
It's not surprising. Spain was invaded. Italy wanted to be mutted

>>507017774 (OP)
Whiter than you, bald tranny kike.

>>507019364
Ashkenazi are geneticaly different form any other Jew species!
Synagogue of Satan theory confirmed!

>>507019911
doppeldubs
all in

>>507017774 (OP)
>some White people are different from others therefore there is no such thing as White
People thousands of years ago recognized this fallacy, you are nothing new.

>>507020070
What makes Finns and Hungarians white? There’s really nothing they have in common with other European populations, both genetically and linguistically. Hungarians migrated to Europe from Central Asia in the mid-800’s

>>507017774 (OP)
R1b Germanic chads rise up

>>507019364
Grim. Even blacker than Greeks.

>>507017774 (OP)
As I see it, Western internet has its own, fucked up, understanding of a race. This whole "white or not" discourse looks like children poking each other and shouting "You gay! No you!".

>>507020273
Then they tried last time, they were crushed to smithereens by R1a. Dunno if it's a good idea.

>>507017774 (OP)
What are you talking about? According to your Pic related it literally shows Hungarians are related to their neighboring slav populations where as Fins are quite distinct from everyone else except North Russians and Estonians maybe.

>>507020453
be honest with yourself, you know damn well russia vs germany in ww2 would have been a german victory.

the whole world teamed up against germany

>>507020194
What difference does it make? Europe is being invaded by literal human shit and you're worried about whether or not race is a social construct? Wake the fuck up retard.

>>507020653
> russia vs germany in ww2 would have been a german victory.
Nah, can't say that. Moreover, Germans charged at USSR while fighting with Britain on their own, so we can say that their R1b led to stupid decisions anyway.

>>507017774 (OP)

>Look mom. I found one little exception even though 99% of all other people's DNA corresponds to their language and ethnicity. That means le heckin race is a social construct!

>>507017774 (OP)

>Hungarians different from surrounding populations in haplogroups and ancestral components.

No. No they don't actually.

>>507017774 (OP)
>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”
That falls into how much indo-europeanisation you need to be considered as white. Finno-Ugrics are Uralians and Siberians.

>>507017774 (OP)
Theyre not especially finns. Hungarians are assimilated slavs

>>507020453
>it was all R1a who went against Germany in ww2
lol cope. you got saved by the entire world

>>507017774 (OP)
no one argues race isn't a social construct, but it's also a social construct that explains something we all see.

>>507020997
> 99% of all other people's DNA corresponds to their language and ethnicity.
So, jeets are genetically British cause many of them speak English?

>>507017774 (OP)
If you are only focused on the surface appearance of things, like most people are, then yes, race is real. However, ultimately race isn't real. Actually, a lot of things that you think are 'real' and exist out there in the world aren't real either. Such as evil, objects, people etc.

>>507020319
It's more of an amerimutt thing, they have no real ethnic roots so they came up with artificial ones.

>>507021179
> got saved
If only. Land-lease it began to arrive on a large scale after the Germans stopped, and the Britain was saving themselves first, not the USSR.

>>507017774 (OP)
It is a social construct. And it is also real, physical, easily observable, and easily testable.

Species are a social construct.

>>507017774 (OP)
How do they speak English in Singapore, retard?
Language has fuckall to do with race.

>>507020653
>>507020880

R1B is less than 0.001% of the genome Im not even sure its SNPs encode any proteins.

>>507021344
Maybe. Actually, I almost never saw racial discourse in Russia. By the way, Jewish discourse is hard to find here too. We mostly think in cultural categories.

>>507021344
That's so god damn stupid, and I'm tired to death of hearing it. Whiteness is just as much of a thing in Europe as it is in America.

>>507021536
Genetics is weird, maybe even so little matters. Though I don't think it's significant at all, seeing that Russians. Ukrainians and Belarusians behave noticeably in different ways while having almost identical phenotype.

>>507021344
Agree, only americans can be White.

>>507017774 (OP)
>Their genetics also differ significantly from surrounding populations
No they don't Hungarians look exactly like Slovaks and Czechs in terms of Haplogroups.

Also Haplogroups don't necessarily dictate your actual genetic makeup in all cases. Y DNA is 2% of your overall DNA and there are lots of things like founder effects, asymmetrical male/female births, etc that cause distortion between an actual populations genetics and what you would get taking something like haplogroups at face value. Consider R1a in northern India. Finns are slightly different from the rest of Europe but no significantly so.

Of course no one argues it.
At the end of the day all of the white people are part of the true human template. Everyone part of that template can live in a space age society, the potential is there.
Everyone else is some kind of a mongrel brownoid mix, who are unfortunately hard capped to a permanent savage existence, due to their complete lack of impulse control and hardware limited IQ.

>>507017774 (OP)
>>507018036

Diversity is in fact our strength just not in the manner the globohomo kikes are trying to push.

>>507017774 (OP)
>>language
><genetics

Why libtards are so retarded

>>507017774 (OP)
They aren't white.
Finno-Ugrians are snow inbred chinks.
Hungarians were Attilas' last fart.
All of the came from Central Asia and Siberia. They're closer to churkas than whites. They do act like churkas.
Here's a question for you, /pol/? Is a bleached nigger still a nigger? Is a nigger in a business suit still a nigger?

>>507019364
It should be 3. Italy, Sicily and Sardinia.

>>507017774 (OP)
You are mistaken Germany. You see all the people in western Europe are actually more closely related to Eastern Europeans than Eastern Europeans are to themselves and vice versa.

Americans are niggers. QED.

>>507017774 (OP)

> Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”

Plenty of people argue that.

There was actually a big court case here back in the day when we did not allow the Yellow Peril in our country on whether Finngolians were white Europeans or a type of Chinese.

>>507021964
There is a correlation but of course it's not a 100% rule. Haplogroups and language correspond to migrations of groups of people. Consider the case of Turkey though, Turks speak Turkish but in terms of ancestry and DNA they are the same Anatolians pre central asian invasion. What happened was that a small group subjugated a larger one and imposed their language upon them. Now you have all these swarthy brownoids larping as muslim chinks when the original turks weren't even asiatic themselves and were a highly mixed mongrelized group. The world is a crazy place. The effect of this Turk invasion barely even registers, if that, in terms of modern day haplogroups. People believe in all sorts of crazy things.

>>507017774 (OP)
Because not all white people are indo european. You dont seem to understand what the yamnaya were. Perhaps read about before making yourself look dim

>>507017774 (OP)
Linguistics don't really matter much. But we do have some ancient OG Euro DNA.

>>507020319
Its not "western", its american. We have perfectly scientific methods to describe race.

>>507019364
The "French" (oh God...) Basque Cluster are actually the descendants of Atlanteans.
They are not "French" by any means.

>>507017774 (OP)
>Their genetics also differ significantly from surrounding populations in haplogroups and ancestral components.

stopped reading right here,
mazel tov, judeo magyar cygany!

>>507017774 (OP)
Kill yourself faggot kikel

>>507017774 (OP)
>languages of most other Europeans. Their genetics also differ significantly from surrounding populations in haplogroups and ancestral components

You are a lying Turk. Hungarians are literally descended from Germans/Slavs. They were basically just mercenaries for the Huns, but the Huns left no genetic evidence in Hungary.

https://www.razibkhan.com/p/hungarians-as-the-ghost-of-the-magyar

>>507023018
The huns themselves were white people.

>>507022392
Finns have the largest amount of yamnaya admixture in Europe according to wikipedia even though we dont speak an indo-european language, we are pretty much closest genetically to them with norwegians

>>507017774 (OP)
The Irish are the original Indo-Europeans...

>>507017774 (OP)
Bro, Yuropoor just means having fair skin and originating from the continent in the recent century or two. That's all.

>>507023236
>The huns themselves were white people.
Absolutely not, not even close. Stop spreading misinformation you fagyar scumbags. Priscus of Panium who met the Huns in a diplomatic mission an met Atilla himself wrote down that they were swarthy.

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscus

>>507020319
Isn't "white" really important to Americans and their assimilation process? if you reject, are rejected or can't otherwise assimilate into it, it becomes a problem (or at least did)

>>507022292
Topkek, this shows the retardation and lack of historical understanding americans are capable of, I guess they didn't consider the fact that one of the founding fathers of America, John Morton was a finnish man

>>507017774 (OP)
If race is a social construct why are white europeans and abbos genetically completely different species?

>>507023692
So who do you think was living in that part of the world then? Look at the people who live there now, they are Baltic/Finnic types. Nobody is Asian. Long ago Balts inhabited massive stretches of eastern Europe and very far east.

>they were swarthy
How? Historical accounts need to be taken with a grain of salt because they are often politicized. Back then people did not have the same academic standards we have now. Ben Franklin said all Europeans aside from the British and people of Danish peninsula were swarthy.

>>507023922
All categories, all words, and every definition are social constructs. Social construct does not mean that something is not real.

>>507017774 (OP)
> genetics also differ significantly from surrounding populations in haplogroups
Bruh, they share 98% likeness with Moldovans, they're just generic ancient Carpathians without the Greek and Turk dilution that southern Romania suffers from

>>507024079
Priscus met the Huns personally and recorded what he saw. Franklin never traveled in Europe much so he was speculating. Your comparison is worlds apart. I take the word of Priscus since he met the Huns personally. Who knows what happened and the reasons why they were swarthy but you can't pick and choose what is convenient to you from primary historical sources while dismissing what you don't like.

>>507024323
>they share 98% likeness with Moldovans
They're close to Moldovans because they are magayrized Slavs not because they are "ancient Carpathians" whatever that means.

>>507024394
You know that the ancient Greek and Roman historians also aren't completely reliable because they sometimes deferred to myth and exaggerated their accounts?

There is no actual evidence of them being that way, it's completely implausible based on where they are from and we don't even know what he meant by that term and it likely had a cultural context.

>>507017774 (OP)
Hungarians , Fins and Slavs are considered Europeans nowadays and if you even dare to say something bad against them you are called a jew who is trying to promote brother wars . Give it 50 years for Nafris and Pajeets to be considered European too

>>507019064
Talking about Italy here is what AI thinks of them

>>507017774 (OP)
Pedokraut! You were told to Kys. Now obey.

>>507024836
Slavs are Asiatics and there's nothing wrong with this

>>507024802
You can have your own interpretation and headcanon on the writings all you want, but the text is clear.

>>507025415
Slavs are pajeets.

I1 and I2 haplogroups are the only autochthonous haplogroups of Europe. Everybody else is an immigrant. Basically only Scandinavians and some of the Balkanoids are real Europeans.

>>507025691
k nerd

>>507025543
Ancient texts like that aren't always reliable. Reminder that Rome was under attack by them too.

It's possible Atilla was some sort of other ethnicity but I dont know how likely that is. As for the actual Hunnic stock, they were basically just finno baltic types because that's who would have been living there at the time. The languages are related as well so things seem to point that way.

>>507025740
Sure thing, Jeet.

Hungary and romania have taken and given back so much land over time its interwoven into each other.

>>507025983
>da

>>507017774 (OP)
In some point of history of Hungary most Hungarian males got killed by invading subhumans but females lived and raised the kids.

And your own picture shows that N has spreaded quite south.

>>507021117
imagine speaking poo-jewropean language

>>507026194
>da
It's ita, pleb pajeet.

>>507017774 (OP)
Slavs and Germanic folk have slightly different ancestors who branches off, but both sets of ancestors still evolved in Siberia and adapted to that climate for thousands of years, making us very similar. Enough so to call us the same race, in my opinion.

>>507017774 (OP)
right, they are a white european race. There is more than one.

>>507017774 (OP)
race being a social construct is based on the fact that genetic data is in the grand scheme brand new and not factored in by most people who dont know jack shit about it
even if they did understand, the information is too complicated to be meaningful if boiled down to bitesize information
a very real case study of race being a social construct is black americans being vexxed when cape coloured south africans and mullatto brazilians reuse to call themselves black while aboriginal autralians do
are georgians white? the answer in reality isnt yes or no but "sort of" which encapsulates the issue

>>507017774 (OP)

Don't worry us...we leaving when we find that spaceship Sampo which drunkard Väinämöinen managed to sink somewhere in Baltic Sea.

>>507026194
The south Slavs took the word "da" from Romanian, and the Romanains took it from the Latin "ita". The real Slavic word for "yes" is "tak" which for example the Belorussians use. To my mind there is no doubt "da" comes from Romanian.

>>507025740
R1a comes from India, anon.

>>507027678
highly doubtful

>>507027678
your gypsy forefathers maybe, don't blame it on R1a which has been in east Europe at minimum since 10000BC and certainly earlier

>>507027678
Not a chance in hell. All the physical characteristics associated with R1b are cold climates adaptations, meaning R1b got to India via Indo European invasion, not the other way around.

>>507018036
>celt is the only one not wearing a top and is wielding a crude sword
Feels bad to be a swampman :(

>>507017774 (OP)
>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”
Lol really?

>>507023699
I have the same feeling. Though, I see a lot of Europeans here talking about it, so I'm not sure.

>>507027960
Absolutely delusional.
/pol/ is so apprehensive to the truth.

>>507023699
It's just an identity that formed when Europeans of different nations were drivin into mixed euro settlements by natives. It was more a classification, as opposed to an identity, before that happened.

>>507028315
absolutely factual
try stealing some device that allows you to keep up with elementary population genetics, gippo

>>507028315
He's absolutely correct. Warm climates create high melinin adaptations, where's cold ones strip melanin due to less exposure to UV light. R1b spent a large amount of time in Siberia.

>>507017774 (OP)
What are you talking about? Hungarians are pretty much genetically identical to Slovaks and South Germans. The language is just a relic of pre- migration era weirdness where different ethnic groups all lived in the same region. Modern say Hungarians are only like 10% related to the historical Magyar tribe anyways, who were never even asiatic to begin with aside from the language.

>>507028813
>Hungarians are pretty much genetically identical to Slovaks and South Germans
Yes fagyars are genetically identical to Slovaks ands Croats. In other words they are a fake nations, neither Hunnic nor Magyar.

>>507029222
It seems to indicate that Slovaks are just Slavic speaking Hungarians, since Hungary predates Slovakia by hundreds of years

>>507029468
No it indicates that fagyars are magyarized Slovaks and Croats since the dominant "'Hungarian"" halpogroup is R1a and that is universally associated with Slavic people.

>>507026640
>>507027625
How come Russians use 'da' instead of 'tak'? Parallel development?

>>507025415
mozno je tvoja mama sugava z aziji

>>507029468
hi Zoltan Bozgor from Canada!

>>507028813
>who were never even asiatic to begin with aside from the language

>>507028813
they definitely were very asiatic, again, /pol/ is so behind a field which to people obsessed with race should be #1 interest, hungary is also one of the best studied regions in Europe, there's a fuckton of ancient DNA from the region, Magyars originally were straight up mongolian chinks

>>507017774 (OP)
I can yake a German infant, bring to Japan and have him grow up to know nothing but the Japanese language, culture, people, etc., will that make him a German or Japanese even though he would not know a word of Deutsch?

>>507017774 (OP)
Whenever someone mentions haplogroups with any degree of seriousness, I think of Measurehead from Disco Elysium.

>>507021764
Thats not Y-DNA or mtDNA its autosomal DNA

>>507022292
>Back in the day

Yeah,150 years ago

>>507017774 (OP)
>language is race
Many niggers speak arabic, even though they are not filthy semites, but only niggers
Granted both are shitskin, the point is, a language doesn't definitively define an ethnic group or race.
>muh hoopadooplagroopla
Most of you niggers don't understand them, misuse the term, misread it and use them as tools for dishonest discourse.
>hungarians
The ethnic group was replaced by germans, slavs and meds and are generally only mixed within cities.
The language remains because the government remained; think of it like a blood transfusion or oil change or whatever.
Turanist mongrels hate these facts

>>507031048
It would make him go insane

>>507027625
>Da
>Ita
>Tak
They all sound the same.

>>507031918
Culture buck breaks ethnicity. Genetically, you could be X, Y or Z but it's the ideological programming that matters. Culture overrides the race/ethnicity of an individual.

>>507028163
It’s pretty simple expected.
USA was founded surrounded by red indians and nigger slaves so Europeans there had to differentiate themselves, hence “white”. Europe was homogenous and so no such distinction was necessary, in fact we differentiated based on European sub culture. Now after 70 years we’re no longer homogenous and so “white” now makes more sense here

>>507031216
Did you try to punch him like I did?

>>507029961
It's because Russia's birthplace is Ukraine and Ukraine is near Romania

>>507028049
You get +2 to druid spell rolls though.

>>507032745
Yes. As far as I'm concerned, knocking him out is the only valid way of getting past him.

>>507029961
Both are used
"Da" = yes
"tak" = like this? As opposed to "kak" which is mean how?

>>507032959
Well I failed when I tried that so I had to use my 4chan training and out-do his racism

>>507033140
You do know that you can try skill checks again, right? Even the red ones, although you would need to level up the relevant skill first.

>>507033428
Wait, no that wrong. You can't retry the red ones at all, and you can only retry the regular ones after leveling up the relevant skill. It's been a while since I've played.

>>507017774 (OP)
What exactly is r1b and why is it so dominant in western Europe?

>>507017774 (OP)
>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”

>no one

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

List of European nations that are not white:
>Italy
>Spain
>Hungary
>Finland

>>507032508
>Culture overrides the race/ethnicity of an individual.
That doesn't explain the violent niggers in USA and UK

>>507029961
We use both. "Da" is the regular "yes", while "tak" is closer to "indeed" or "like this/that". It can also be used like how "alright" is used in "Alright, what's going in here?"

>>507033648
traceable genetic surname males carry from father to son, it only mutates every now and then so you can neatly track it like a big family tree
in western Europe it comes from cultures derived from the Bell beaker culture ultimately from bronze age east Europe

>>507017774 (OP)
>If race isn’t a social construct, explain why there are racial variations
are you retarded

Language isnt race. Germans are not related to nordics but both speak germanic languages

>>507022038
>t. albino nigger Ivan Magomed
You have to go back.

>>507021179
No.
usa was trade with both (oops) of them + lend lease mostly was a buttons, boots, raw components and arrived only after 1943+

D day etc was to occupy germany before ussr would come.

>>507033952
Germans, Nords, and Anglos all originate from the same proto-Germanic people that lived in Jutland/Northern Germany 2-2500 years ago, before they started to diverge.

>>507027625
>The real Slavic word for "yes" is "tak"

its ANO

>>507020653
>the whole world teamed up
No. germany was supported by whole europe except britain.
+ india
+ all muslims in the world
+ japan

ussr get american help only after 1943~
"help"

>BUT JAPAN
japan never wanted to attack ussr

>>507034305
germans are celto-slavic mutts!

>Germanic languages probably did not appear before the Nordic Bronze Age (1800-500 BCE). Proto-Germanic language probably developed as a blend of two branches of Indo-European languages, namely the Proto-Balto-Slavic language of the Corded-Ware culture (R1a-Z283) and the later arrival of Proto-Italo-Celto-Germanic people from the Unetice culture (R1b-L11). This is supported by the fact that Germanic people are a R1a-R1b hybrid, that these two haplogroups came via separate routes at different times, and that Proto-Germanic language is closest to Proto-Italo-Celtic, but also shares similarities with Proto-Slavic.

>>507034562
>The late Unetice culture expanded to Scandinavia, founding the Nordic Bronze Age. R1a-L664 and R1b (L11 and U106) presumably reached Scandinavia at this time. The people of the Nordic Bronze Age probably spoke a Proto-Germanic language. For over a thousand years while this culture existed, the Proto-Germanic R1b et R1a-L664 tribes would have acquired vocabulary from the pre-existing Corded Ware population that they assimilated, which was itself a blend of Proto-Balto-Slavic languages (linked to haplogroup R1a-Z284) and languages of non-Indo-European origin (linked to haplogroups G2a, I1 and I2). The Nordic Bronze Age was a melting pot of these three populations, which intermingled both genetically and linguistically, little by little creating a new ethnicity and culture as time went by.

>>507034305
I thought it was Scandinavian in origin? The origin of Germanics I mean lmao

>>507034305
Austria and South Germany are all Alemannic and Bajuvarian tribes mixed with Celts. None of them share ancestry with Angles, Jutes or Saxons. Also Germany above Weisswurstaequator is and always was a desolate shithole.

>>507034629
>The first genuinely Germanic language has been estimated by linguists to have come into existence around (or after) 500 BCE, just as the Nordic Bronze Age came to an end, giving way to the Pre-Roman Iron Age.

>The genes for blond hair are more strongly correlated with the distribution of haplogroup R1a, but those for red hair have not been found in Western or Central Europe before the Bronze Age

>>507034562
I was under the impression that the presence of significant amount of R1A amongst Germans stems from the fact that today’s eastern Germany, especially past the Elbe, used to be inhabited by Slavs, who were gradually Germanized over the course of several centuries.

>>507034672

>>507034654
Jutland/Skane/Northern Germany is the general area, so yes it includes Scandinavia

>>507033791
Anomalies exist. Some things are neither predictable nor perfect.

>>507034747
>Proto-Balto-Slavic language of the Corded-Ware culture (R1a-Z283)

it is slavic

>>507034747
among Germans specifically it might be mostly Slavic related
Germanic R1a peaks in Norway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeC8doU-zps

>Die Slawen - Unsere geheimnisvollen Vorfahren

>Die Dokumentation begleitet eine Gruppe von Slawen zwischen Elbe und Oder durch die Jahrhunderte, folgt ihnen in diverse Scharmützel, beobachtet ihre Bräuche und Riten und zeiget ihr Überlebensgeschick und ihren Kampf um eine eigene Identität vor dem Hintergrund großer historischer Umbrüche.

>>507034803
>Anomalies
16% -> 60%

>>507019364
Tuscan descended nigger reporting. Which ethnostate do I go to? I have poo eyes ):

>>507017774 (OP)
>>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European."

Slavs are not white,
Russians are not white
Russians are mongolians etc
Mongolian hordes etc.

ALL of those are CIA/ MI6 psyops.
You can ignore the psyops.

Reality:
>mongols don't exist
>2 largest Y DNA white europan haplogroups, R1a and R1b

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

>>507017774 (OP)
Race is a social construct though. That's why many racists did not consider Italians or Irish white. Meanwhile the American government considers even Lebanese people white.

>>507021246
Jeets do not actually speak English. Claiming to be an English speaking country is just a scaled-up version of pajeets lying on their resume like they always do.

>>507021528
> I can find exceptions so the strong correlation does not exist

>>507022380
Only triple digit IQ ITT

>>507035207
africa!

>>507035519

>>507035538

>>507035207
Tuscany is a state

>>507022380
common meme but Turks genuinely can have very high amounts of Turkic ancestry especially in the west, some regions have more Turkic ancestry than the average English is Anglo-Saxon

>>507017774 (OP)
>Hungarians and Finns speak Finno-Ugric languages, totally unrelated to the Indo-European languages
Hungarians and Finns are genetically distant from each other. A Swede or Norwegian is closer to them genetically despite speaking an Indo-European language.

>>507035098
When you have housing estates and entire streets of certain ethnicities living according to their traditional and cultural customs, it would not only be silly to expect them to integrate but outright naive and dumb. The solution is obvious but it's not my problem and I don't get paid to be drafting culture integration manuals for the immigration department.

>>507035701
Give it to me straight doc, am I a nigger?

>>507017774 (OP)
Everything is a social construct
the distinction between humans and an amoeba is a social construct

>>507019364
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
WE'RE WHITER THAN MAMA MIA PIZZERIA AND SPANISH MARICONS
TAKE THAT NIGGERS

>>507017774 (OP)
>Le wheels with colors say i'm a western-alphinic something
Who cares. The only actual important metric is IQ. It's a comically easy to breed trait. It gets inherited most of the time with just minor deviations. A society with a modicum of pragmatism could easily achieve an average of 150 within a couple centuries.

>>507035705
Really, really doubt that. Every test shows high affinity to pre Turk populations. Just look at their phenotypes. Then consider the fact that Turk isn't even well defined usually. Who are the Turks? Seljuks? Gokturks? Are we comparing central asians CA 10-500 AD? Are we comparing Anatolians 10-1500s AD? Are we comparing Anatolians to themselves? Where is the population replacement? If Turks were nomads how did they support a large population compared to agrarian and urbanized Anatolia to do this? Alot of problems with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks
>Ottoman historian Mustafa Âlî commented in Künhüʾl-aḫbār that Anatolian Turks and Ottoman elites are ethnically mixed: "Most of the inhabitants of Rûm are of confused ethnic origin. Among its notables there are few whose lineage does not go back to a convert to Islam."[54]

>>507035953
Tuscanians are definitely not niggers, though they are the weirdest among italians. Very unique and they tend to stay where they are born, that's why there's a separate zone in that map

>>507021253
>>>/x/ and meds skitzo

>>507035207
You're place is witb xhosa nostra, mr Tayronni Negrotti

>>507035686
sorry
bad joke

Turns out languages aren't genes. Nothing beats geographic location when it comes to genetics (excluding diaspora of course).

For example Russians are more far-eastern than Hungarians/Finns/Estonians despite their Indo-European language.

>>507018715
If you are so white, why are you Rn1betas instead of Rn1alphas?

>>507036568
I should point out that is autosomal DNA (22 chromosomes), the one OP posted includes only Y-chromosome haplogroups (1 chromosome in men)

>>507025691
Uhh bro? Glass house of Romani(a)?

>>507017774 (OP)
If race is a social construct how come I can tell apart different races with a glance?
>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European
Tourist much?

>>507036373
it's basic genetics, it's not some fringe theory; the Oghuz weren't 100% chink, closer to 40/60, the rest caucasian, so in practice that means most Turks don't have much chinky ancestry
the proxy used are medieval turkic samples from khazakhstan

>>507027678
We know. We have myths about leaving India behind as a whole whitest ruling caste and leaving it to streetshitters

>>507020194
Eyes, you have them I assume?

>>507029468
What about you look up Duchy of Nitra and Great Moravia, jeet

>>507035207
Sorry mang, I was just having some fun :(

>>507037151
>medieval turkic samples from khazakhstan
So not the Turks we are talking about then? Turkic is a very widespread language group spoken by disparate people with very different origins. The actual origin of Gokturks is a multi ethnic collection of tribes from like 600 AD who may have been led by an Iranic clan. They aren't from Kazakhstan and didn't even pass through there. There are no extant Oghuz people even near there today. So how could they be related? political study is political.

>so in practice that means most Turks don't have much chinky ancestry
So what does it mean to be a Turk then? The whole thing makes no sense. Being a Turks has always been a political construct that's why Turkey sealed genealogical and name change records as a state security issue until recently because the country's origin story is false.

>>507022573
no we dont

>>507038622
the ones found in Turkey from the Ottoman period are compatible with such origins and have similarly high Asian ancestry
when you start nitpicking it means you lost the argument, look it however you want, the Turks impacted Anatolia strongly enough that you can only reasonably modern them with something like up to 30-40% medieval Khazahstan Turk, and it's compatible with the amount of straight up chinky ancestry you get

>>507033648
R1b -> "Bell Beaker" -> Bretons, Brythonic Celts (original Britons, so Anglos also), Gaelic Celts.
The Irish still have myths that they originated from Spain. It amazes me that myths can survive thousands of years of oral history and still contain recognisable information.

>>507018036
where are us basques?

>>507033648
WHG had it and a branch of Indoeuropean branches also had it

>>507039160
>the ones found in Turkey from the Ottoman period are compatible with such origins
Then your source is clearly false and you're contradicting yourself. The Turks in Kazakhstan would be the chinky ones.

>>507039543
The basque race stopped being a thing when the PNV stopped caring about race and all the "maquetos" and currently Moors emigrated there. Now your average basque/catalonian nationalist party has 12 guys named Mohammed who just speaks your silly language.
You are roman basqueanon...

>>507040359
no, you are just brown like most americans and can't read basic english or speculate on your breakfast, the DNA reference from Medieval Khazakhstan is also similar to Ottoman era samples from Turkey dated around 1500AD, hence it can reasonably be used as reference for estimating the impact of the Oghuz conquest of Anatolia

>>507040715
im kidding im not even basques nor I specially like them, every true basque Ive met was giga anoying. But its sad to see them dissapear after all they fought, basque race still exists tho, although its about to be extinct

black african niggers from sudan raped every sicilian woman on earth or something

>>507018036
I'd hate to jinx it by pointing it out (emotions are lies, never become a victim of emotions whether you're praised or shat on) but your posts are always top-tier, anon.

>>507040743
>no, you are just brown like most americans
Kek as opposed to Analoian "turks"? Here are Kazakhs anon, they wear Shaw Bros. kung fu costumes and look like the cast of Five Deadly Venoms.

It goes like this: Oghuz -> Seljuks -> Anatolian Turks. At one point they may have been south of the Aral sea but this corresponds to Iranic peoples they did not pass northwards through Kazakhstan proper. They went southwards and entered Anatolia via south of the Caspian sea. that's why the Oghuz people are all limited to Iran and Caucasus today and they are of brownoidal phenotype.

>>507042215
>>507040743
Also citing obscure and random shit isn't going to work, here is a very widely cited PCA and you can see Turks correspond to their geographic neighbors obviously implying they are a mixture of pre-Turk populations.

There are numerous types of White people. From med to those with a more clear asiatic strain. Two things can be right at the same time. Race is a social contruct and it's a biological reality with distinct clusters between human groups. The biggest difference between humans is the amount of primitive admixture one has from more primitive hybrid sub-subspecies of human like neanderthal, Denisovan and other types more unknown. Some more black African regions and the OG Aboriginals clearly have the most on average of this admixture of different groups. They are the most distinctive groups due to this yet are the most different from each other genetically. Neanderthals had a genetic difference of 0.3 distance to Europeans and black Africans also a hybrid species to a usually small degree around 0.15. This in combination with rapid mutation and selection in huge populations has created numerous sub-types/races and/or at least clear ecotypes. Clusters change all the time, it doesn't make sense to not count Sardinians as White due to their own unique caucasian cluster for instance.

>>507042215
again circling around the point, nobody cares about your pilpul and nitpick, point remains that pre Turkic and post Turkic Anatolia differ significantly by the amount of central Asian ancestry associated with local Turkic populations, you can twist this as much as you want, nobody cares, everyone is used to americans being the most insufferable illiterate brown subhumans on /pol/, not even good for making soap

if you want something official, though of course nothing will change, here you go
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363157583_A_genetic_probe_into_the_ancient_and_medieval_history_of_Southern_Europe_and_West_Asia

>>507017774 (OP)
>Haplomemes
retard

>Yet no one argues they aren’t “white” or “European.”

Lol, everyone does on this board and on these spheres. I'm not even saying they are wrong.

So what are dutch people based on PCA and haplogroup analysis?

I've always viewed Dutch people as a mix between Scandinavians, Germans, and Celtics and that mix went on to create a seperate identifiable race known as Dutch people.

>Dutch American with Boer roots

>>507017774 (OP)
>their genetics differ from other whites so genes don't determine race
dumb argument

>>507045024
it's not exactly an isolated region with important geographical barriers, so they are as you'd expect, I don't think even the super specialized clustering 23&me and similar sites do can pinpoint a specifically dutch profile, maybe afrikaner though due to some isolation and maybe tiny bitsof african ancestry

>>507043669
>pre Turkic and post Turkic Anatolia differ significantly
They don't.

>the amount of central Asian ancestry associated with local Turkic populations
Your Turks aren't even really from central Asia. How on earth is this possible when in terms of autosomal DNA you're the intermediate of your neighbors kek.

Also about your source, if you look at the YDNA distribution of Turkey it's pretty much what you would expect from the region. It's dominated by west asian haplogroups. This corresponds with the Autosomal DNA and known history. There was no mass migration or replacement and nothing points to what you're trying to say. It actually circles back to the point that the Turks we're talking about were heavily mixed byt the time they entered Anatolia and your samples are full of west Asians so youre comparing west asians to west asians and making a false inference.

>>507045426
>They don't.
they do, see image attached from recent paper and fuck off to overdose on fentanyl in some alley

>>507017774 (OP)
Just like a colour spectrum could be divided into a billion different subdivisions doesn't mean "yellow" and "red" don't exist as colours. You can calss races as broad or as minute as you want but that doesn't change the fact race exists

>>507045354
From my experiences most Boers or Afrikaners are a mix between 40% Dutch, 40% German, 20% French Huguenots.

I'm Dutch American on my father's side and Dutch Afrikaner on my mother's side. My mother's side is much more blonde than my father's side which is interesting.

>>507045484
Kek this is going to turn into another semantics driven thing where we can't differentiate between geographic region and ethnicity. All the evidence is clear, that includes historical. This happened in early modern history. I don't think you can even understand most of what you post. These are religious beliefs so I doubt there's any changing your mind.

>>507046304
the evidence is that Turkic speaking populations from central Asia severely impacted Anatolia, see>>507043669
>>507045578
some ape high on fetanyl won't change reality

Jews :
>everyone is white you need more diversity
Also jews:
>you re different ethnicities there is no such thing as white !

Pick one evil KIKES ! All the thoughts and meme sayings pushed by jews stem from anti white racism. 0 logic, always attacking europeans.

>>507046385
>Turkic speaking populations from central Asia
There's so many ways to say your statement is nonsense, but I'll repeat: which ones? Because the Seljuks and Ottomans aren't really from there.

>>507046723
yeah they are ultimately from there
exact proxy matters little to the point, very obvious tactic when you are cornered, argue around the edge instead of the main point, if you use Kazakhstan Turks from the early middle ages, which are similar to actual samples found later in Ottoman Turkey, then you get my numbers, it's beyond the point

>>507046991
Kek you still don't get it.
>if you use Kazakhstan Turks
Again, which ones? are we talking about the Iranic peoples living south of the Aral sea? Because you're using this to make a false equivalence.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
>Turkey is the only country that includes a sizeable percentage of Asian and African haplogroups not listed in this table (A, ExE1b1b, C, H, L, O, R2) representing 8.5%
If you add up O, C which are indisputably of east asian origin in Turkey you get less than 2% so tell me where the population replacement or mass influx (of emis nomadic peopole no less) happened? or will we say that the native haplogroups somehow came to back dominate again, within the span of a few hundred years? But by the early 1900's most of Ottoman Anatolia was still ruled by Ottomans but most did not even speak Turkish? There is no way to rationally draw what you're trying to say unless you want say the Seljuk and Ottoman Turks themselves were just west asians which is mainly true but still at odds with reality. You don't really know or understand what you're posting or talking about.

>>507047966
>starts babbling about haplogroups with eupedia
>completely clueless about recent studies
absolutely hopeless, don't even bother replying, I won't

>>507048089
Is it possible that Boers underwent a bottle neck experience that made them look more blonde and more aggressive than their Dutch counterparts?

I'm asking because all my Boer family members are very blonde and they have slightly different facial features than my Dutch family members like I said here >>507046070

>>507048089
Because you have no real evidence and can't corroborate with historical or other things to generate an actual picture of what happened.

>>507017774 (OP)
We are basically the same as surrounding countries even Austria. Your map is trash. Austria has a big white thing in it.

Also hungarian isn't a race it's an ethnicity. The ones who brought the language mixed with the locals, again same for Austria. Most of Europe is celtic of you go way back, but it's kinda pointless to go back.

You couldn't tell a middle to western hungarian apart from an austrian or a south german. You couldn't tell an eastern hungarian apart from a western romanian.

You could mix finns up with swedish or with russians.