It reduces your dependence on the zionist government.

Picrel is my blueberries, finally ready for harvest.

>>507036528 (OP)
Grow food is nice
... but why are you growing dicks?

No, because I'm not a fucking 12th century farmer with a fucking pitchfork, you need to keep workers and managers for the farm, if you can't afford it, then it's not worth doing.

What about overthrowing the zionists instead

>>507036528 (OP)
i found a giant patch of wild blueberries but the deer keep beating me their. here is my garlic

>>507036528 (OP)
hope your blueberries are in season when shtf so you can feast like a king while everyone else starves to death.

nice hotdog plant btw

I've tried, many times, but I have whatever the opposite of a green thumb is. Last time I went full-autism trying to get peas to grow, had a hundred separate little containers for the germinating seedlings, had carefully controlled conditions, deliberate variances in light and watering to try and hedge my bets and get a few to survive long enough to harvest; 20% failed to germinate, another 70% didn't survive long enough to replant, and the rest died within two weeks of replanting.

The only plant I've ever managed to keep growing is an aloe plant someone gave me about 10 years ago, and that's only because they're basically impossible to fuck up. Fuck you aloe. Stop reminding me of my failures you little cunt. Nobody fucking likes you. You're the fucking participation award of gardening. Fuck you.


... I'm sorry, aloe, I didn't mean any of it. Please don't leave me.

>>507036528 (OP)
i grow cherry tomato

>>507037690
It's because your using bagged soil. And the nutrients run out quickly

Mostly just herbs and what not because its more cost effective to have them on hand
I am growing, peppers, potatoes, artichokes, garlic, black pepper, Sichuan peppercorns and tomatoes but these are just 1 off plants instead of like an actual crop that would yield me dozens of kilos of vegetables
I don't have the land for a mass of veg but i do have enough space for multiple beds and pots of herbs

>>507036528 (OP)
you girls garden? do you bake pies in your dress after and knit sweaters? fags

my potatoes

butternut squash
cucumbers
tomatoes
and more potatoes

>>507038452
Just for that, you don't get any.

peppers
watermelon

ton of wild blackberries

>>507036528 (OP)
Bigtime, and I want to expand. I want to open a breakfast/lunch bistro attached to my farm so that I grow the food that people eat at the restaurant. That and run a few side businesses from the proceeds of selling plants at a nursery.

more tomatoes
green beans
black eyed peas
brocoli and cauliflower

>>507036528 (OP)
Forgot. Here's what I grow: Tomatoes, squash, peppers, dill, cucumbers, okra, basil, beets, pears, and an array of spices.

>>507036528 (OP)

I grow a lot but it's rarely a longterm "investment" unless you've got a considerable amount of space. I grow almost 500 square feet (square foot gardener here) from March to December but I exhaust all what I grow in pretty quick order. These people canning must have a shit ton of land, grow shit that's super niche, or grow the same 1-3 things. Even with hyper-regenerative shit like lettuce (which doesn't store well once picked) that gets consumed rapidly - I can have 9 lettuce plants growing and eat 2 salads a day (and I have/do) but that's 4.5 square feet and you're never able to store shit, so you're basically saving $20/mo over 5 months? Wow, $100.

I've been gardening for 30 years now. I appreciate the fuck out of farmers because this shit requires a TREMENDOUS amount of land on a large scale.

That said, these hydroponic gardens they sell now, those fuckers are the bees knees. I grow tomatoes and lettuce and dwarf variaties of veggies year round. Doesn't satisfy my families needs but it's a hobby so, what can you do?

>>507039517
this is also a dream of mine. and i have thought many hours about it. i think a soup/salad/sandwich ttpe thing would be best. for meat use pigs for the meats since they are very easy to raise(make homemade ham and prescioto in shit). also pizzas are an easy cheap food you couls sell. it would have to be seasonal restaurant if you are producing your own ingredients since plants dont grow in winter.

>>507040010
It's hard to some degree. I'm up in North Texas and the land up here is fucking expensive. Thinking about leaving for a more economical area with more rain. Not sure if I would do pigs or not. I was mostly thinking of the spices and garnishes. Meat can be a PITA if it isn't done right.

>>507039556

You need to get into square foot gardening, homie. Tons of wasted space to maintain rows meant for farming equipment that you don't have/use. You could almost triple the amount of shit you grow with better planning. Bush beans pair well with tall growers, like okra. I grow cucumbers under my okra and tomatoes.

>>507036528 (OP)
I don't but I would like to start. What are some beginner food plants

>>507036528 (OP)
I let bunnies fuck each other in my yard and sometimes catch one to eat. Does that count?

>>507037315
Nice

>>507040392
What growing zone are you in?

>>507036528 (OP)
Yes. I'm a self sufficient woods leftist. Mainly chickens but mostly poultry. I produce so much excess food that I give away around 200 eggs a week.

>>507039556
Dang that is a serious garden

>>507040495
Where?

>>507036528 (OP)
>>507037315
>>507037690
>>507038088
>>507038705
try using electroculture

>>507038452
Gardeners are based. Eat shit and die. I'd kill you.

>>507036528 (OP)
I grow sweet corn. feels good to care for something and get to grill it at the end of the year and eat it with butter.

then save the seeds from the biggest cob and the tallest plant for next year

>>507040392

Fuck with perennials, like berries. Hard to kill, grow basically everywhere, take a year or two to start bearing fruit, but it's like a Willy Wonka deal after that - you step outside and everything is edible during your growing season. Potatoes are hard to fuck up too.

Other than that, chat up the old women at the local nursery and ask what they grow because what works well in Davenport is different in Calabasas or Miami or Charlotte.

>>507040610
What do you mean where? Around Appalachia.
If you mean where I give away the eggs, I just give them away. People ask and here they are.
I regularly see a woman at the gas station. I just as her if she wants some. I have no shame. People shouldnt ever be hungry.

>>507040313
i tried it a few years back, i have plenty of land and am just going to do my neat perfectly straight rows like i lve always done. kinda toying with companion planting to try and help control bugs .

>>507040313
You don't need to min max everything. If hes eating his own produced goods he's already doing better off than 90% of people.

>>507040495
do you hatch your own chicks?

>>507040842
Ducks are pretty good about eating bugs and leaving crops alone.

What kind of bugs?

Also enjoy your gardening. I raise useless nuisance expensive ducks for fun and they eat constantly. (Call ducks).

>>507036528 (OP)
Zone 7 or 8 I'm guessing?

I grow a little more every year. This year I took my neighbor's advice to grow my tomatoes and basil together. I thought the tomatoes would starve the basil for sunlight but they're doing very well. It apparently makes the tomatoes taste better. We'll see.
I have a potato patch and some squash, but I deal with pretty heavy clay soil where I am, so the best results I get are with all my fruit: berries, peaches, pears, apples, cherries...
I also have a flock of chickens and desu it feels pretty great that I haven't thought about egg prices at all for years now. I don't have enough to fully cover my chicken consumption but I butcher one every once in a while for flock maintenance and they're ridiculously better tasting than store bought even though they're a bit smaller.
I also grow my own tobacco for fun.

>>507039767
You can guess how much land you'll need by asking AI like ChatGPT the average yield per acre or per 100m2 as well as the average consumption per year of a given crop.
For example, I just asked it how many kg of lettuce the average person eats per year.
>The average person consumes about 10 to 15 kg of lettuce per year. This amount can vary based on dietary preferences, cultural factors, and availability.
Then I asked it how much kg of lettuce you can grow in 100 square meters.
>The yield of lettuce can vary based on the variety, growing conditions, and cultivation practices. However, on average, you can expect to harvest about 10 to 20 kg of lettuce per square meter. Therefore, from 100 square meters, you could expect to harvest between 1,000 kg and 2,000 kg of lettuce, depending on the factors mentioned.
500 square feet is roughly 40 or 50 square meters, so you should have plenty of a given crop even if you assume lower yield from lack of fertilizers or the like.
It sounds to me like you're either growing 100 plants in a tiny pot and then complaining, or you're a zog shill afraid of people gaining self-sufficiency so you're scaring them away from gardening and healthy food with misinformation.

>>507041226
Yes.
My preferred method is to just let the silkies do it. They love it and are amazing mothers.
But I do batches inside too. I free range everything so sometimes shit happens even with a flock guard dog.

I got 8 call ducks roaming around brooder I built.

(Pic is call ducks, they require assisted hatching because they are abominations that shouldn't exist, basically the pug of the duck world).

>>507040824
>Around Appalachia.
Would move there.

>>507036528 (OP)
Oh, I thought you found a way to grow hotdogs for a second.

>>507040217
It's ironic that the Americans, who are always bragging and boasting that their country is just SO BIG and has SO MUCH LAND, can't have a tiny plot to call theirs.

>>507041190
>If hes eating his own produced goods he's already doing better off than 90% of people.
i grow around 70% of my food between my garden, chickens and pigs. i even tried to grow my own wheat but it isnt looking too good.

>>507041543
This is a bad idea because ai can't factor in soul structure, land elevation, drainage, and weather and come out with a decent estimate. I'm willing to be wrong but that just doesn't sound that great a idea.

I do understand you can add the parameters but idk if you could factor in everything without having had a bad experience.

>>507040392
Check the channels Self-Sufficient Me and Epic Gardening. They have lots of good videos.
https://www.youtube.com/@Selfsufficientme
https://www.youtube.com/@epicgardening

>>507041418
squash bugs
>>507041611
are silkys really broody? that is good to know.

>>507041694
The country is flooded with "investors" and foreigners like Indians who fill up new developments. It would drop like a rock had we not let in all this weird shit.

>>507041826
I can't grow shit. I moved out and almost starved to death. Then I found poultry and found out I'm more like a beastmaster than a druid.

animals are kinda my thing. Wish I knew sooner.


I will never be able to grow much more than potato's and garlic. But that's all I really want or need so I guess it's all good

>>507037315
A deer can't go to the grocery store for blueberries. You can.

>>507036528 (OP)
I have blackberries up here in Virginia.
They are surprisingly robust, same plants have been going for 10 years now. I just pluck the weeds out to help them out and they just produce a shit ton of berries each year. I honestly don't get it. They grow as if they are weeds, in the dead of winter they look dead as fuck, but then come right to life in the spring and summer.

>>507041897
The AI gets its estimates from the data it was fed, which is often small and industrial commercial farms whose data gets uploaded to governmental databases.
If you ask the same questions I did to a search engine, it will show you official websites of data collectors like government institutions and the like.
And as I said, even if you assume lower yield due to factors such as the ones you mentioned, the yield shouldn't be that different.

>>507041826
How far away do your pigs need to be and is it true that their fencing needs are pretty bad?
I really want to have pigs but I always hear horror stories about them. People say you need them to be a good distance away from everything because they smell so bad, and that they escape easily.

>>507042095
Very sad, man.

>>507041492
>a potato patch and some squash, but I deal with pretty heavy clay soil
i have the same thing and what i do is mix shit loads of dry leaves with the clay.
dig a trench about a foot deep and the pack tons of leaves in it, stomp on them and smash them up and then add a layer of native dirt and plant potatoes and do a couple more layers of leaves and dirt. use lots and lots of leaves. that is how i break out all my new beds, it works great.

>>507042069
Yes. I use silkies as basically living incubators. I got like 2 kind of dumb looking ones who never go brooder but my 2 show quality girls have raised hundreds of offspring. It's all they want to do.

Can't get a leghorn to sit to save your life lol.

I love this picture. I had 2 silkies hide a egg on me and hatch it. They decided to co mom it. Eventually the white one ran off after about 3 weeks of co-parenting but the black silkie does so well. She will fight a bhrama for picking on her chick.

I can't talk silkies up enough. But their shit at laying and they got no meat.

Fun fact, silkie flesh and bones are blackish.

>>507042222
Checked and blessed
Meat + fruit + squash. Most squash is pretty hardy and hard to fuck up. Berries in most places are so prolific that they're hard to get rid of.
We have found several instances were our ancestors were introduced to farming but gave it up in favor of raising meat and harvesting fruits.

>>507042508
Hm. That sounds perfectly doable. Going to try this next year. Thank you.

>>507042095
In my state (AK) the feds hold most of it (65%), followed by the native corps (18%), and the state gov (17%). Less than 1% is privately owned. Kills me. I'm doing what I can with my very small .7 acres. Working out the kinks with the greenhouse I put up last year, installing garden beds ATM - probably won't get much more than squash and peas out of them this year. I think I should have most of my starting issues worked out next year so I can get starts running late May/early April. I'm set on bucks for the next 4-5 years for the milk goats, I've got a promising looking rooster in this batch of chicks... Just need more LAND. Will have some fun with the experimental blackberries this year at any rate.

>>507042369
My sole input is that in a bad year my potato harvest per square foot is equal to large commercial potato harvests. YMMV.

>>507042222
Poultry, eggs, potatoes, and garlic. What more could a man want? The digits agree. You might like bees too.

>>507041826
>i even tried to grow my own wheat but it isnt looking too good.
First attempt. Try again next year, don't give up. Try growing corn for your chickens and pigs too if you're not already. I believe in you.

>>507042713
That's what amazes me about Alaska. There is very little of it for sale. Where it is for sale, it costs a metric fuck ton. It might as well be Hawaii.

>>507041826
What do you feed the livestock?
Any tricks to getting cheap/free feed?

>>507042390
pigs are absolutely based and by far the easiest animal. their house can just be a little tin hut you make with $100 of wood and tin. for fencing just get hog panels which are $20each. for less than $500 you could build a nice pig pen. pigs only get out when they are hungry usually and you can tame a pig down so well you can just let them out like a dog. you should get pigs anon, i love them and they eat anything, they really live acorns and hickry nuts

>>507042369
Fair enough. But I think end of day nature and yields don't care about everyone else's data. Shit happens and a ideal world doesn't exist. I just wouldn't trust being able to reproduce the parameters well enough to trust someone else's yield.

But I did say I don't know shit about plants and counting chickens before they hatch is a faux pas

>>507037690
You want to put peas directly into the soil in a row like pic related. If you like tomatoes or bush beans you could try growing those they're very easy.

>>507042713
Always said I'd get bees. But I just imagine the chickens sitting outside the hive eating them one by one and me having to constantly fence off the space and fight them the way you do with gardens.

I love the idea of bees.


Here's those brooder babies i talked about earlier.

>>507036528 (OP)
Dewberries

>>507042699
you have to use some fertilizer because all those decaying leaves will use up the nitrogen

Any anons gardening in asian carp territory? Always thought they'd be a phenomenal source of macros for the garden...

>>507043142
Having kept both together at one point the only real 'problem' was the roosters would get bored and sit in front of the hive to eat the drones that got kicked out. They seemed pretty good at knowing workers = pain and drones = gain. If the garden is already an exclusion zone, could just keep them in there too. Lovely chicks there m8. I'm thinking a couple of pet turkeys (bourbons) for mosquito control and some geese for comedy next year.

>>507042864
You're not wrong. The funniest type of transplant we get is natives out of Hawaii. They'll tell you the prices are the same, the weather's a little worse, but at least they can live in their cabin in the middle of nowhere and not have to put up with peoples' bullshit. Lol

>>507042990
I've got a goat pen I'm not using that's made out of hog wire. I would just need to patch up the gates. It's a bit small though. I am very tempted though.

>>507042722
tons of bugs with corn, im thinking milo maybe.
>>507042890
my chickens just freerange most of the year, for the pigs we go to a feed mill in the next town over who sells feed in bulk. we take a smaller trailer there and the fill it with feed and we take it home and store it in the barrels or just in the trailer sometimes. its about half price compared to buying it by the 50lb bag

>>507036528 (OP)
i put the food egg in the ground but nothing happened. i put the water but how long is this supposed to take? ive waited 1 whole hour

>>507036641
Trumpet creeper

>>507040217
Hmm. Moving eastward. The problem is I cant help you.

>>507042581
And they are not good for cold northern climate.

We are also growing blueberries. Plus tomatoes; lettuce; cannabis, and having a crack at lemons for the first time too but I'm not quite sure why with those.

Potatoes I dug today from my experimental raised garden bed

>>507038452
Why do you pay the jews and work for the jews for food?

>>507044711
Well. Once I find some better ways of making money, things will smooth out.

>>507037690
Keep on planting

Deer...the niggers of the forest
Raided my orchard even with a 5 ft fence
Everytime I hide with my shotty they hear/smell me and bugger off
I h8 deer so goddamn much

>>507047588
use sals suds and neem oil. 2 tbsp of each per gallon of water, spray on leaves

>>507047588
also i heard a giant mound of rocks works better than a fence for deer, i guess they dont like walking on mounds of rocks. it has to be wide enough they cant jump it though

>>507036528 (OP)
I have a row of 8 mayhaws, 8 producing chickasaw plums, 8 crabapples plus about 400 ft of underground irrigation for those rows. A few blueberry bushes. A mature pear tree, mature peach tree, two mature figs. Four mature citrus. A young paw paw. A couple young pomegranates A few rows of sugarcane, and about 30 mature pecans. I'd grow grapes but there are more in the woods than I could ever use. Tons of brambles and passionfruit in the woods.

I'm really more into native hardwood trees though I guess.

not at home, picture out of date ~400 square feet.

>>507047588
Why dont you just make a 12 ft fence?

>>507047961
Twine too. They hate the shit, keep a loose and billowy perimeter and they won't go through it. Jump a fence like nothing, but the movement fucks them up.

>>507045830
What zone are you in? Those are some early potatoes

>>507047588
Have you tried negotiating with them? Maybe you could arrange a trade deal. You give them apples, they bring you any gold or silver that they find in the woods.