Aluminum will barely begun to rust if you leave it on the ground in the woods for years. What conceivable motive is there to line air-sealed aluminum cans with plastic other than to poison us? Does RFK jr know about this?

>>507040797 (OP)
>uses acid to eat away at aluminium
>wonders why there is a plastic lining
Hmmm it’s almost as if cola is also acidic

Yo Grokberg, does phosphoric acid react with aluminum?

>>507040797 (OP)
Aluminium in the woods isnt filled with acid

>>507041068
>>507041286

What about beer though? I just used the first image result for "aluminum can plastic". I have not drank soda in 20 years and I would sooner start smoking cigarettes again.

how did they do it before (((plastic))) existed? only glass bottles?

>>507040797 (OP)
aluminum doesn't rust it corrodes, only iron rusts. it's also toxic so if it wasn't sealed with plastic you'd probably be worried about that.

>>507041445
most, if not all cans of anything have that lining.

>>507041628
Yeah no shit. There shouldn't be anything toxic in the food supply.

>>507041696
Well, we should stop.

The acidic chemical slop inside these cans require a plastic liner so it doesn't corrode the can itself. Think about that

>>507041791
and replace it with what?
id be more worried about casual exposure to car exhaust than plastic, champ

>>507040797 (OP)
it's to make kids gay

>>507041986
Literally anything. Glass only, or requiring people to fill their own bottles at stores.

>>507041455
Tin.

>>507041995
crown corks have polyethylene linings, brainlet

>>507042120
see my post >>507042176

>>507040797 (OP)
I think they only do this with soda. I remember seeing this video once and retrieving a can of beer from the trash and dissecting it because I was curious. I was not able to find any indication that the aluminum in the discarded beer can had any plastic kike fuckery going on.

>>507041628
>Look at me, I am Canadian. Therfore I'm mentally challenged
Rust usually refers to iron oxide. Which means the metal oxidizes. Aluminum 'rusts' (oxidizes) almost instantly, were talking about milliseconds. So basically all the Aluminum you have ever seen in your life had an oxide layer on top. No exceptions.

>>507042660
the can is very likely still lined with something. probably epoxy

>>507042660
Try doing the same with a soda can. You're gonna see the same thing. The plastic coating is extremely thin.

>>507042139

Interesting

>>507043007
False do a fast cut and you will see it for milisecond, also you are talking about normal air.

>>507041445
Beer is also acidic. That's why it's sour, you tastelet.

> The pH of beer typically ranges from
4.0 to 4.6, making it slightly acidic. The pH value indicates how acidic or alkaline a substance is, with a scale from 0 to 14. A pH below 7.0 is acidic, while a pH above 7.0 is alkaline or basic.

>>507042176
Is that the hill you've chosen to die on?

>>507044019
ive also read that the bpa lining leeches into beer more readily than into other foods/beverages.
though, as long as you have decent habits, it will never matter anyways

just use glass?
>recyclable
>chemically inert
>doesn't poison you
>looks cool
>makes a nice clink sound

>>507044203
>muh is this the hill youve chosen to die on?
are you fucking retarded or something? nobody is dying from either bottles or cans keeping their food clean/fresh.
theres no escaping your fears at this point anyways. food/drink are safer to consume than at any point in our history.
make sure you wear your faraday underwear before you go out into the 5g.

>>507044286
You still need to have access to a beverage that has never been stored in a plastic vessel, so your beer has to come from a keg or a bottle, same with soda, and most soda isn't sold in glass bottles anymore,

The real question is, how do you pronounce the word aluminum?

>>507044286
>heavier
>more expensive
>more fragile
>light gets into food, allowing for quicker spoilage
>still has plastic in the caps
>still contains soda/beer, two things worse for you than the plastic
are you afraid of microwaves too?

>>507040797 (OP)
aluminum oxide causes dementia/alzheimers due to the aluminum binding and clogging yoyr telemeres in your little brain. it passes the blood brain barrier after it enters the bloodstream through the stomach lining and intestinal tract.

plastics only give you microplastics and female penis

>>507044401
Ohh, you exploded. Well what you've said simply isn't true, so I'm not really worried about it.

>>507044644
>heavier
Who cares.
>more expensive
I don't care about some company's cost-cutting kikery
>more fragile
So? Just don't be a spastic.
>light gets into food
Slap a big label on the glass exterior.
>still has plastic in cap
Better than in the whole thing.
>still contains goyslurp
Yes, well done.

>hurr anyone who thinks we should make small improvements all across society and perhaps rollback certain "developments" is actually just a technophobic luddite with a tinfoil hat or something
You sound like a faggot.

>>507044979
would have been faster for you to just say yes to my question of "are you fucking retarded"

>>507045383
Very brute force wit. Not feeling it.

>>507044286
>can be broken and turned into a weapon
oi you got a loicense for that glass?
save a lass, bin that glass

>>507045300
and you sound like a schizo who has no real good talking points.
all of those reasons i listed combined with the fact we have to feed more people than at any other time in our history prevents the widespread re-adoption of glass as a storage medium.
its weight and fragility are the two foremost reasons. it will cost immeasurably more fuel long term to get everyone what they want.
inb4 "well i dont care about that either", you have no choice you spastic, you rely on greggs.

>>507045300
He has called you schizo. How do you respond?

>>507040797 (OP)
>anon finds out about something that literally everyone else already knows about
>thinks they are an expert on the thing they just found out about
You are the blackest gorilla nigger

>>507045449
>very brute force wit
as opposed to your sophisticated, gentlemanly retardation?
back to plebbit with you

>>507045901
It's called plebbit because the level of discourse is low.

>>507045704
>"no one is allowed to talk about improvements to X or make any suggestions regarding Y because I say it's not feasible for companies to pay for it and that's that!"
Lel, you are some kind of supreme faggot. Go be a cunt elsewhere.
>>>/reddit/

>>507041745
Well there has to be a trade-off in order to preserve it for any reasonable amount of time. They arent purposely trying to poison you, there is just no other way around it unless technology has already solved this problem and they havent implemented it yet.

>>507045790
Thanks for the update, anon. Much appreciated.

>>507045961
we call it that because folx like you are a diamond dozen over there

>>507046128
>They arent purposely trying to poison you
Not a good entry into this thread, Mr. Glownigger.

>>507046162
You're off your pills. Drink your cornsyrup.

>>507046208
If you have a better way of food processing then start your own company.

>>507046073
its not that youre not allowed to discuss it, its that youre not improving anything with your suggestions.
>but i think theyre improvements, so there
not an argument.
resources and energy are finite, which is why we do what we do now.

>>507046377
Possibly the most jewish followup. You're 0-2

>>507040797 (OP)
I only drink phosphate laced high fructose corn syrup out of organically sourced aluminum cans.

>>507046515
eat your hamburger helper, anon. youre getting cranky.

>>507040797 (OP)
It's not even plastic, it's more comparable to teflon

>>507046558
and this really is the crux of it all. The soda is probably less healthy for you than eating the plastic lining. Drink water instead.

>>507040797 (OP)
Soda is acidic. It also is under pressure.
The alternative is 100% plastic bottles which are also used frequently.
Kinda wish they'd just go back to glass. Glass can be recycled indefinitely. The only con is that it's heavy, and breaks into sharp pieces.

>>507040797 (OP)
beucase you're a fucking goy, now stfu and consooooom

>>507046558
Yum

>>507043947
As soon as there is oxygen present it will oxidize. You cut under oxygen atmosphere and there will be an oxide layer formed immediately. If you do it in a inert atmosphere no oxide will form and you can reduce the oxide from the surface with the help of plasma. But again as soon as you take the workpiece out of the inert atmosphere it will form an oxide layer again.

>>507040797 (OP)
watch the coke dissolve a penny video

>>507043007
rust exclusively refers to oxidized iron. if there is no iron, there is no rust. aluminum is not an alloy that contains iron.

>>507044644
>>507045704
>heavier
Weight doesn't matter.
>But muh fuel!
Water is the heaviest constituent in drinks.
That's why *bottlers* exist.
They use local water supplies in the soda that you buy. That solves the glass weight "problem" as a side benefit.
>light gets into food, allowing for quicker spoilage
That's why the beer industry uses green/brown glass, solves the problem.
>still has plastic in the caps
Use a cork.
>we have to feed more people than at any other time in our history
Soda is not an essential nutrient. Stop making America look retarded and fat.

>>507044571
"Ah loo mihn nee um" just like it's spelled you bloidy wankah

>>507046395
It is an improvement in that it reduces the ingestion of plastic and is competely recyclable and reusable. This is undeniable. Your concerns are largely financial and logistical, and these would not be such big issues if these companies had not increased immensely in size, stretched themselves so thin, and cut costs all over the place in attempts to create defacto monopolies.

>>507041995
Why can't anybody ever explain the 12'' BBCs in Africa being surrounded by industrial plastics and pollution? They aren't losing any test?

>>507041800
your stomach requires a special lining so that your gastric juices don't digest your guts... think about that

>>507040797 (OP)
To poison you. They totally didn’t need them in the past.

>>507043007
I've seen aluminum submerged in hcl bath, no oxide layer possible there

>>507041068
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

>>507047195
>weight doesnt matter
headcanon
>but muh fuel
yes, muh fuel. it doesnt float magically from the bottling location to the store shelf. the problem presents itself at some stage, no matter how long you kick the can down the road, pun intended
>green/brown glass
green and brown glass only slow spoilage, they dont prevent it. its then stored in highly lit stores which accelerates that spoilage
>use a cork
cork is a very finite resource, unless you want them to use synthetic corks made from plastic.
>soda isnt essential
sure isnt, but itt we are talking about food/liquid preservation broadly, not just soda

your post screams to me that you dont know economics

>>507044501
Camada, you have no right to post in this thread.
You literally buy milk in a bag, what the fuck is this?

>>507040797 (OP)
Aluminum is also toxic and estrogenic. The only good choice is glass, and the only other acceptable choice is steel. Everything else is gay toxic garbage

>>507041995
>muh glass bottle
Also has a plastic lining, retard.

>>507040797 (OP)
How else are they going to get the microplastics and sprayed in estrogens into you? They wouldn’t want your testosterone make you get mad and kill some important Elite now would they?

i work for the company that makes the plastic lining so I'm ok with it. We make a lot of money off of it.

>>507047277
if you ignore finance and logistics, people would have to pay through the nose to get simple items to recoup the costs of production.
and of course, reducing plastic use is all well and good, but not if its replacement has cons that outweigh the pros.
>but if they didnt grow their companies so much, then this wouldnt be a problem
theyve only grown so much, because society itself has also grown immensely. you cant change the past, no matter the amount of whinging you do about it.

>>507041696
not most, all aluminum cans in contact with food have it

>>507042660
it's a thin bonded layer, you have to dissolve the aluminum to see it

>>507040797 (OP)
is this a british thing?

i've cut too many cans in half and have never seen plastic.

>>507040797 (OP)
>What conceivable motive is there to line air-sealed aluminum cans with plastic other than to poison us? Does RFK jr know about this?
The generous interpretation is that they do this to improve flavors, none of which do well when in contact with aluminum for any period of time. The less generous interpretation is that they do it because the aluminum is somewhat dangerous to health, and they want to keep it quiet that they used to poison people with bare aluminum food container surfaces. The least generous is that they over-complicate all this because it's graft... more money selling the equipment to line cans with plastic than the old equipment that just makes metal cans. The truth is that everyone's so incompetent and vying for influence/power/attention that this was never a conspiracy, just a farce... whether or not it is dangerous to health is virtually unknowable.

>>507047029
My point was about "never".

>>507047761
We have milk in glass bottles it is just more expensive, and your milk is sold in plastic jugs and cartons lol

>>507044644
>light gets into food, allowing for quicker spoilage
No, the lack of oxygen outweigh whatever light gets in. Food stored in airtight glass containers spoil much much much slower than food stored in plastic. Plastic is somewhat porous, unlike glass.

>>507048133
that is precisely what i said.
implied within my statement is that cans that do not contain food may not have it. hence the use of the terms "cans of anything"

>>507040797 (OP)
For the same reason can food also has plastic linings.
Don't eat beans cooked in a can on a camp fire. Boomers love that shit... but boomers were born retarded.

>>507041628
>>507041745
>>507043007
The oxidation is what protects the layer under. It is less (I guess) toxic because electrons shed or collect, idk, turning it back to salt of a type found in nature and not so harmful.

>>507048326
its my experience that the plastic lining of bottle caps allows air in at a faster rate than a can ever has.
ive had so many flat beers from bottles, but so few from cans

>>507044286
mexican glass coke will still be fizzy if you open it and fall asleep without drinking the whole bottle... while american plastic bottled coke goes flat after 10 minutes, and that's with resealing the bottle with the cap

>>507047155
Germans like to pretend that they have a firm grasp of English and end up sounding retarded when talking about technical things which they seemingly known about.

>>507048644
slightly off topic, but mexican coke is a scam.
look up acid catalyzed sucrose inversion.

>>507048786
american coke is a scam, it goes flat way faster than the mexican glass coke, doesnt matter if it's american plastic bottled coke or tin, it loses its fizziness after 10 minutes

People keep contemplating is this or that Jewish when the real question is are Jews good for us?

>>507040797 (OP)
>Why do aluminum cans have plastic linings?
Jews
Millennials
Fags

>>507048119
I'd say it's incredibly foolish and short-sighted to accept (read: advocate for) an objectively worse and potentially harmful product from a customer's perspective because a company supposedly cannot afford the superior alternative and malicious immigration policies have ballooned the population.

>>507048548
The glasd bottle cap is metal + plastic rather only plastic or only metal.

Regardless the beer going flat would suggest that air is escaping, not that air is entering.

If you want to do a real test and acutally learn something you could test this yourself by putting food, like say a slice of raw meat cut from the same piece of meat and put it in airtight containers of the same size and see for yourself. The rate of spoilage is slower in glas containers, by multiple times.

>>507048207
I spotted one! Someone with a mind, and a mind that works. This is exactly it. I salute you.

>>507048786
>coke is a scam.
FIFY
It's all goyslop garbage and Coke Inc is anti-White.

>>507049158
real beer should still be fizzy even if you left it open, at least any german or dutch beer would

>>507048399
>Don't eat beans cooked in a can on a camp fire. Boomers love that shit... but boomers were born retarded.

Boomers had healthy cans back in the day. And cast iron skillets and dutch ovens to cook in as well. No plastic sporks or microplastic woven "paper" plates back then or styrofoam cups n shit.

>>507047702
>cork is a very finite resource
No. It *literally* grows on trees and is fully sustainable.
>The cork industry is generally regarded as environmentally friendly.[9] Cork production is generally considered sustainable because the cork tree is not cut down to obtain cork; only the bark is stripped to harvest the cork.[10] The tree continues to live and grow. The sustainability of production and the easy recycling of cork products and by-products are two of its most distinctive aspects.
Meanwhile Aluminum and Plastic are, in fact, finite resources (without recycling)
>the problem presents itself at some stage
The difference between Aluminum and Glass is less than the difference between Plastic and Aluminum.
If you had a Carbon Tax, Glass would be cheaper than Aluminum.
But the point is, the difference is small. Aluminum has some benefits over Glass, but Glass also has its niche.
Furthermore, the retail prices the consumer pays will never reflect these costs (plastic bottles cost the same as cans for end consumer usually).
>but itt we are talking about food/liquid preservation broadly
And yet beer does just fine with glass economics.

>>507049297
>german or dutch beer
hahahha They were the good beers decades ago before the micro brew revolution.

Now American beers tend to be the best in the world. Over 10,000 beers are made in America now.

>>507048119
Why I feel that vibe of communism in your line of thoughts? Plastic and glass beverage containers aren't mutual exclusive. We have some drinks, some energy drinks for example, sold both in plastic and glass here in Russia.

>>507049517
yeah boomers had steel cans lined with tin

>>507049605
they taste like cheap german beer like kaiser krone, literally hobo german beer

>>507040797 (OP)
Got to make sure the micro plastics get in our balls somehow.

>>507048892
well, let me be more precise, the claims that it is healthier for you is what the scam is.
once the drink is mixed, the phosphoric acid transforms the sucrose (cane sugar) into glucose and fructose, and converts it into a mixture with nearly the same ratio of ingredients as HFCS.

its part consumer misunderstanding, and corporate capitalizing on that misunderstanding.

i do not contest your claim that regular goes flatter faster. i think the mexican coke tastes better anyways. iirc, it has more salt than regular, maybe that has something to do with it.

>>507049284
i agree, mostly.

>>507049928
i dont care about the healthiness, it literally wont lose its fizziness if you pop the bottle and leave it a whole night and drink the coke the next day, american coke is a fucking scam that goes flat 10 minutes after you open any of it... the exception being coke from a mcdonalds or chick fila fountain which is pretty good, but anything else like gas station syrup sucks

>>507049637
i do not know why you detect communism in my thoughts, im not particularly fond of communism as a way of life/societal order.

drinks in both kinds of containers is how it is here in the us too, but economics have led us down the road of not using glass exclusively anymore. idk what to say about it other than "oh well"

>>507050065
maybe they literally carbonate it less than fountain/mexi-style... id have to compare them sid by side.
guzzle away my friend.

>>507049605
>Over 10,000 beers are made in America now
And 9950 of the fuckers are """IPAs""" that taste like floor cleaner. IPA is not meant to be like chewing a pine cone.

>>507050296
its a scam to get people to drink cokes as fast as possible then open another can or bottle of it, american coke is evil

>>507049928
>the phosphoric acid transforms the sucrose (cane sugar) into glucose and fructose, and converts it into a mixture with nearly the same ratio of ingredients as HFCS
Irrelevant. Sucrose, inverted or not, is still giving you the same sugars. Your body doesn't use sucrose directly, it's broken down into glucose and fructose anyway.

>>507040797 (OP)
lining is not an issue for cans because sunlight exposure does very little to it and extreme heat doesn't cause it to shed

>>507047325
Sounds more like you have a Jewish fantasy than the reality. I bet there are plenty of shrivelled dicks and man titties and gay sex there too. Particularly probably lots of gay rape going on, and feminized males, similar to the prison culture they created here.
You go there often enough to know otherwise or something, or you just daydreaming?

>>507050319
iktf, but nevertheless we're drinking good these days

>>507050631
im not the one who makes or propagates the claims that the mexican coke is healthier, youre barking up the wrong tree.
the body breaks both fructose and sucrose down to glucose before it can use them.

>>507050478
i always like coke and dr. pepper in the glass bottles, theyre hard to find though

>>507051048
It's weird seeing their KBS in the stores all year now.

>>507040797 (OP)
We don't cook acidic foods in aluminum pans because it gets into the food. Similarly if the aluminum cans weren't lined with plastic it would get into the acidic drinks and you'd be drinking that aluminum.

Either way just drink water you fat fucks.

This is why we should go back to using mostly glass bottles.

>>507050319
and the craft ones that are actually good are $20 per 4 pack, which begs the question, what the fuck happened to 6 packs?

>>507040797 (OP)
They do it with canned goods too and this was never the norm.

>>507051527
Use case for drinking sugar water or hfcs water?

>>507051080
Well and good but don't pretend the acid inversion of sucrose is the relevant component. It is always and forever 50/50 glucose fructose, and it's the fuckin' fructose that'll get ya

>>507043007
>lol faggot has never heard of a mirror

>>507044571
The same way I pronounce platinum

hello im from chinese

>>507051527
glass bottles are ideal, but it's never gonna be cost competitive against plastic or cans

>>507051531
they probably stopped making those plastic holders. you can get 4x500ml cans here, or 12x355ml; both come in cardboard boxes. i haven't seen a six pack in a coon's age.

>>507040797 (OP)
You schizos need to stop with this whole “plastic is bad” crap. It’s been proven time and time again by scientific experts that plastics are completely harmless to human.

>>507047155
aluminium isn't an alloy, is it? It's on the periodic table. Or is the aluminium we use for cans not pure aluminium?

>>507043007
When I was 8 years old my friend said his dad had oxide free aluminum

it's "aluminium" mutts. Say it right.

>>507051906
the acid inversion stuff played a huge role in a court case where coke got sued for false advertising or exaggerated claims, and a back/forth in science journal articles between their scientists/the people complaining.
so its partially relevant, just not to us or our digestion.
im on your side for the most part, since its neither of our problems.

>>507052993
aluminum

>>507040797 (OP)
For BPA to infect everyone. Thats where all the fags and trannies came from. Genetic manipulation.

>>507041068
>acid

>>507040797 (OP)
Coca Cola eats through raw aluminium.

>>507041986
and thats why you have tits and the urge to suck cock

>>507040797 (OP)
phosphoric acid, retard

Though this is why I make my own soda using citric and ascorbic acid.

>>507055415
i think youre talking about yourself, my man.

>>507040797 (OP)
Coco Cola is an industrial chemical, it's Nato Stock Number (NSN) is 5449-000-05-0205. I know this because we use it at work for cleaning corrosion off of undersea hydrophone arrays carried by ships and submarines. It has to be stored in a HAZMAT locker with all the rest if our chemicals...

And you're worried about plastic.

Lol, lmao even

>>507054366
this

>>507042139
Well what's wrong with tin then? Is it $0.0002 more expensive for them per can or something?

>>507056747
It's more brittle and therefore less malleable than aluminum, and it's also more of a pain in the ass to locate and extract a tin deposit.
Furthermore, Tin also undergoes some chemical changes when exposed to these common acids. Tin isn't just immune to soda, there's unironically a lot of good reasons they use aluminum.