what did Jesus mean by this? will he send these people to hell?

>get bullied by nonchristians in this life for claiming to be a christian in this life, get sentenced to hell anyway in the afterlife for being a fake/poser christian in Jesus' eyes

these guys are the ultimate losers when you think about it

Its hard to know which interpretation of the bible is right.

Well intention ed versus, are being exploited to promote a globalist agenda, that actually SUBVERTS Christianity. I find it EXTREMELY unlike tho, that Jesus would welcome people who have evil subversive intent into the flock he claims to protect.

>>507101436 (OP)
yeshua was a heretic and a sorcerer

Here is how I understand it:
>But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not WHENCE YE ARE; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
>Luke 13:27 KJVAAE

>But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked PETER, saying, GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
>Mark 8:33 KJVAAE

People commonly interpret this as an Eschatological passage, but I see it as when we boldly approach God in prayer. If we are not doing the works, He will not answer.
>Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
>Hebrews 4:16 KJVAAE

>When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
>Matthew 25:31 KJVAAE

Christianity was just another mystery cult. Jesus promised to return within the life time of the apostles…

>be devout mormon, catholic, whatever
>born into it, raised to only know it, lived entire life according to it
>die
>whoops sorry you had the wrong denomination
>hell for eternity

>>507101436 (OP)
"to know" someone in the biblical sense means to have sex with them. same verbage the Sodomites used when they were trying to gang rape those angels

>>507101436 (OP)
Just don't be a fake/poser then lmao

>>507103398
that's how i imagine a pervert would interpret it.

to be One with in a godly/non-perverted sense is to become One with in life and nature by sharing His life in obedience or through walking in His way, doing the things that Jesus would do or dealing with things in front of us in a way that Jesus would deal with them by believing in Him and in His way and not in our own selves and in our own ways.

>>507101436 (OP)
Hell? No
Hell is post fact invention round the 5th century due to greek syncrotysm when they were translating the bible from aramaic and reintepreting things from their baseline cultural and religious perspective.
There is no such thing in abrahamic desertmonkeh faith, much less within the all loving revision away from the muh butthurt jealous god from old testy

>>507102852
This is one of the biggest redpills for me as a former christcuck. They all fucking hate each other over tiny insignificant differences. How can you claim to know the truth about salvation when you can’t even agree amongst yourselves what that salvation is?

>>507104031
God claims to be just/fair so that idea contradicts God's claim of being just and fair. i believe in who God says He is that's why i don't believe that idea. we just get what we truly seek and desire because God who is life is fair. the people who seek the truth will come to the truth eventually and afterwards it will be up to them if they will have love for the truth or if they will hate it.

Matt 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Matt 7:8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Matt 7:9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
Matt 7:10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?
Matt 7:11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

>>507101436 (OP)
Performative religiosity, I think, is what Christ is talking about. Those claiming to have faith but don't, just to use it for their advantage or to fit in.
If you go to a Catholic church in New York, you'll find plenty of Italians who basically treat it as part of their culture rather than an actual religion. Some do it because they're supposed to but don't really believe, because it's what you do.
Not singling out Catholics, just kinda using it as an example because I'm familiar with it. There are plenty just like it in Protestant churches of every denomination.
It's the ones who are the most insular and all-consuming that have the most devoted believers. They're in it deep, and it's beyond culture for every Mormon I ever met, for example, though I'd argue against their inclusion in Christianity as a whole

>>507101436 (OP)
You can see what he meant by this if you read the immediately preceding paragraph. If you claim to be Christian but don't live like one, you are a poser. Why are antichristian shills still so lazy? Requiring actual adherence to a religion for it to count is universal across all religions except modern lutheran descendents.

>>507102852
Hell is a made up scare tactic. It's not in the Bible. God didn't make a fiery place for humans to go to for rejecting him, that would be insane and the definition of evil. When you die you just go to the grave and are unconscious until awoken again by God at the end of times to enter the new heaven and new earth.

>>507104799
Ahem, Revelation 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

>>507104712
Sometimes I get the feeling that some of these anti-Christian shills are secretly just trying to get people to read and understand the Bible. Reverse psychology.

>>507104799
Luke 16:23-24 NKJV
"And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

>>507104493
Its not just performative, they use it as a shield to hide behind and justify their morality based on their fefes being hurt and pretend its based off a religion, cherry picking the parts that suit their argument and conveniently ignoring anything that doesnt.
Its worse than performative, its parasitical.
Performers are harmless, parasites are detrimental

>>507104957
Added post fact. Its not in the original texts. Are you not paying attention? Jesus never said that lmao

>>507104031
Imagine going to hell over some obscure doctrinal detail.

>>507105341
He said this:
>>507105235

>>507104358
>I presuppose god is fair, therefore this must be fair.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.

>>507105242
Yeah, that's a fairer characterization. I've met more than one pastor who gave off that vibe.
>>507105344
>Imagine going to hell over some obscure doctrinal detail.
It's one thing I appreciate about the Gideons. Their whole thing is just "What's in the Bible?"

>>507105235
Another mofo who doesnt pay attention.
You even give it away yourself, and you never thought "hold up... hades? Greek underworld? Wtf does that have to do with shitskin religions" nothing, is the answer, because: >>507103998
Try using your brain time to time
There is no hell in judaism or in original christianity, its a perversion from shit translation from greeks.
Hades is greek mythos.

>>507105413
No, he did not
This is getting tiresome
>>507105526

>>507101436 (OP)
He's talking about protestants.

>>507105526
Hades is literally just the word for the underworld in Greek. The translation used transliterated rather than translating, but the concept is the same. Hell is just the Germanic origin word take the same premise. How are you so retarded?

>>507101436 (OP)
>get sentenced to hell anyway in the afterlife for being a fake/poser christian in Jesus' eyes
well dont be a fake poser then, faggot

>>507101436 (OP)
Yes. All protestants go to hell if they think all they have to do is worship God while being a complete peice of shit like a muslim. You have to actually work. You have to actually love thy neighbor, not fake it so you could go to heaven. God knows if you mean it. You can't hide your soul from god.

>>507105701
No, it was added. There is no record before the 400ish. This is getting circular. Its a fairly well understood truth to any scholar, which you arent clearly

>>507106004
You're right you have to work for it, but muslims believe that you have to work for it too. Its literally just protestants that descend from Martin Luther's branch that believe that and nobody else.

>>507101436 (OP)
>>507104493
>>507105242
>>507104712
You know Jesus when you are born again. You become born again the moment you believe the gospel: that Christ died for all your sins according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose again on the 3rd Day according to the Scriptures for your justification. (1st Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 4:25) Salvation is 100% about what Jesus did FOR US and not about our own works or what we can do for him. Jesus doesn't need our help. And in fact, we can't help. Sin requires a blood sacrifice, but our blood is tainted by sin. Only the blood of the Lamb can cleanse us of all sin.

>Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


In Matthew 7:23, Jesus is referring to people that claim to be Christian, but never were because they never believed the gospel, never trusting in Jesus Christ as Savior, but instead trusted in their own WORKS. Jesus NEVER knew them because they were never born again.

FAITH NOT WORKS. Please get it right, anons. Pray on it. Time is short.

>>507105701
Donald Trump 2025 interview:
"(...) and then I said, i love boy pussy so much, its the best pussy wont you know, i even made a new word for it, bussy! bussy yeah that was me, now everyone uses it, but i made it, its a great word, the best word, i love bussy, you know it, now everyone loves busy, but i loved it first, and epstein had the best bussy supply, sadly not always sometimes he had actual pussy, wouldnt you believe it, real pussy, what a disgrace, thats what that incompotent idiot Biden liked most, what a lack of class and taste, bussy is way better, bussy is the future I always said, and look i was right, today everyone loves bussy dont they! no one cares about pussy"
Yeah, I can say someone said something too to fit my narrative, does not mean it happened.

It's very simple, just as all Truth is.

This World and your time spent here as a human are a test. You learn the difference between Good (God) and Evil (Satan).

1. You either choose to live your life according to God's will and after your test is over (death), you go onto the next stage within Heaven

Or

2. You live your life according to Satan's will, abandoning God, and after your test is over, God will tell you through Jesus Christ that "He never knew you", as in your relationship was with Satan, and you get sent to Hell to be with your chosen master.


Choose wisely.

>>507106114
By """scholar"" you're referring to jewish antichristians such as yourself, I assume? What a clown. Hell is literally just a direct translation of Hades, taking the word that referred to both the Greek god of death and the underworld, and applying it to the word that referred to the Germanic god of death.

>>507106564
Vile sameflaggot

>>507101436 (OP)
Well I don't know where the people to whom was referred with "I never knew you" but I take it to mean that people who take the "message" as a simple instruction manual without deeper understanding are not the kind of people the Christ will acknowledge as his disciples.
t. an atheist.

>>507106483
Why are you ignoring and rejecting the words of Christ?

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

>>507106836
See
>>507106483

That verse is referring to exactly what you're suggesting. That we can somehow live up to Gods standards.

> They're none righteous, no not one. That includes you and your good deeds.

The people speaking to Jesus showed him their good deeds and He told them to depart from Him, that He never knew them. As in they were never saved by Grace through Faith. It is a free gift anon. Your good works come naturally from your faith

>>507101436 (OP)
reading that verse is a good start, you should check out the context too

click here to learn more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>507107508
Literally the opposite of what Jesus said.

>>507107580

Thank you for quoting that verse because it only proves HIS point. What is the will of the Father?

1 John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

>>507107736
Shit that was meant for
>>507107642

>>507106004
>All protestants go to hell if they think all they have to do is worship God
EVERYONE goes to Hell is they have not been born again. You don't get a free pass because you joined any particular church.

>while being a complete peice of shit
(Romans 3:10-12)
No one is worthy of Heaven. No one is righteous. Not even you. Not even any of the saints. Not even the pope. The only one to live a righteous live is Jesus Christ. God's standard is PERFECTION, i.e. ZERO SIN. You can't achieve that. Only Christ could and did.

>You have to actually work
(Romans 3:19-23, Isaiah 64:6)
No. The law is knowledge of sin. By deeds of the law, no flesh can be justified by God. What we as men consider to be righteous living is still only filthy rags by the standards of God.

Jesus was DIRECTLY asked this question by jews. Here is how the dialog went:
>John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the WORK OF GOD, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT

I added the all-caps for emphasis. Read it over and over again until it sinks in. Here is more for you to read: >>507106483

Pray on it, anons. Really use that noggin on yours. Time is short.

>>507107817
That's a nice passage on the purpose of sending Jesus, but when it comes to God's will for what you do, its more clear and direct in the same book in fact, in Matthew 25. You are a goat.

>>507108011
>"No one is worthy of Heaven. No one is righteous. Not even you. Not even any of the saints. Not even the pope. The only one to live a righteous live is Jesus Christ. God's standard is PERFECTION, i.e. ZERO SIN. You can't achieve that. Only Christ could and did."

Absolute nigger cattle slave mentality

>>507107642
>>507107817
Thank you. Always great to see a brother here. I'll shake your hand one day when we meet in the clouds (likely sooner than we think).

Jew here
I want to know from you anons sincerely
Where is your wedding garment? The gifts of God are irrevocable.

But you, christian. 34Also in your skirts is found the blood of the souls of the innocent poor; you did not find them breaking in, but for all these.
35And you said, "But I am innocent, surely His wrath has gone away from me." Behold, I contend with you concerning because you say, "I have not sinned."

>>507108558
>Jew
Your entire religion is about having even stricter rules while rationalizing ways you can not follow them while convincing yourself you're following them.

>>507108780
3Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, "You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips.

>>507101436 (OP)
>these guys are the ultimate losers when you think about it
I don't have to think about it. I see them daily and they are complete losers. Fake Christians are the worst.

>>507108780
And also, it is really not about that at all.

11For this commandment which I command you this day, is not concealed from you, nor is it far away.
12It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who will go up to heaven for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?"
13Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, "Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?"
14Rather, [this] thing is very close to you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can fulfill it.

>>507101436 (OP)
Like all I gotta do is name the group, and you'll instantly know they're who Jesus was talking about....


Boomers

>>507101436 (OP)
Robertus 4:20 - "That is mine own purse. I know ye not!"

>>507101436 (OP)
It is a clear case of Jesus telling a lie. If Jesus' claim of being a god was true then he knows all. Saying "I never knew you" would be a lie if it was from a god who knows all. We can, from this irrefutable logic, dismiss that Jesus is a god or we can conclude that Jesus is a liar. If Jesus is a liar then his claim about being a god comes into question.

>>507101697
>Its hard to know which interpretation of the bible is right.
It's extremely easy, they are all bullshit. It's just a compendium of old semitic history/legends plus a few more modern ones(maccabees). Trying to determine your morality based on a bunch of stories from the least moral people to ever exist is stupid

>>507108558
>wedding garment
kek . . . you retarded superstitious idiots are so fuckin' stupid.

>>507109307
This, Exodus is bullshit. The Jews were never slaves in Egypt. They lied, as they so often do.

>>507101436 (OP)
Iirc, Jesus is talking about fake Christians who never lived a chaste, moral life after becoming aware of Jesus and just in general any nonbeliever who lived in sin

>>507101436 (OP)
It's because they believed that their works will get them to Heaven which is impossible that's why they are not allowed in Heaven . Long story short this is also what's gonna happen to the Jews. Both " Christians " who believe in their works and Jews who think they are going because Muh Chosen People will have the absolute shock of their life .

>>507109242
prepare for christcuck pilpul

>>507107818
>Shit that was meant for
Ok. No harm done.
But I'm curious about your opinion about my take?

>>507109242
Lmao I hope you're baiting. I'm not a Christian, but this is truly a metaphor that people who live in sin remove themselves from God/Jesus, and God won't recognize you if all your life you lived apart from him

>>507108995
But it is about that. That's exactly what the talmud is. Its a combination of expanded rules that God never commanded, and explanations for how you can "follow" the rules without actually following them.

It means if you judge people or give advice before offering compassion then you've missed the point of everything and love rules more than you love the reason we have rules

>Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These were people trusting in their "good works" to save them, rather than trusting in the blood sacrifice God performed in the flesh as Jesus Christ to redeem them of their sins. They were trusting in themselves, instead of God.

>>507102153
>but I see it as when we boldly approach God in prayer. If we are not doing the works, He will not answer.
Your "good deeds" will not save you. The only thing that can save you is trusting God's blood sacrifice to redeem you of your sins,
>Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

>>507108011
Kino post.

>>507109828
The talmud is a compilation of conversations between rabbis, it is not codified law. Thus you will see contradictions, it is meant to show you how the rabbis reach the conclusions they did. If I were you I would start with Pirkei Avot, it seems you don;t really understand what you're dealing with.

https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_Avot.1?lang=bi

>>507101436 (OP)
>what did Jesus mean by this?
Lots of folk deny Jesus was the Son of God by believing in Luther, Mary, Calvin, Smith, Smyth etc who said the exact opposite e.g. they all deny Mathew 16 and say something different like "Jesus was gibbering about rocks" or "Jesus would send his mother and not the Holy Ghost".
How can you believe Jesus is the Son of God the Father almighty and yet not hang on his every word as true?
Even Catholics since the 19th century do this: they ignore the judgement of the Lord and put their faith in a magic Brown Scapular that is a "get out of judgment free" card.

>>507101436 (OP)
Jesus spoke English?

>>507110168
>Not codified law
But that's what all jews follow. They either study the talmud and follow what it says, or they listen to their rabbi who bases everything off the talmud.

>>507101436 (OP)
I’ll give Joshua credit for this: he knew his teachings would outlast him and also that they would be perverted beyond recognition by the kinds of people he most despised.

Takes a lot of maturity to admit something like that.

>>507108011
Didn't Mary have no sin? And didn't god take Enoch up to heaven?

>>507107642
i fucking hate that fucking line. spitting on people who genuinely work to do well by others for those who simply hold sentiment in their hearts. utter bullshit.

>>507110275
Yea bruh, didn't you know Jesus discovered America or something? That's what the mormons say.

>>507110621
Its just how christards think anon. They are self hating cucks. Abrahamic religion is slave morality

>>507110514
>all jews
It's meant to be a guide, not a cult document. Unfortunately cults exists in every religion, this is what Jeremiah was talking about. This was also the behavior of Saul when he took the livestock from the Amalekites, zealous in his desire to bring an offering to the Lord but with blood on his hands from the sin of not following the Lord's word. Many jews today disregard certain commandments due to brainwashing received by rabbis during millenia of exile

>>507110518
They can't tell me where their wedding garments are. From their own bible:

11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14For many are called, but few are chosen.

Clearly saying that so called "christians" (the guests called who are not the former servants) who perverted his teachings have blood on their hands. Where is your wedding garment?

>>507101436 (OP)
>look up to see him coming
>wail because he's coming to strike them down
Poetic, really.

>>507109962
It's even simpler than that. Jesus, when He was accused by the Pharisees of teaching blasphemy, told them "If ye were of my sheep, ye would hear My words and follow. But, because ye are not my sheep, you have not obeyed". Modern churches interpret this to mean that, if you believe on Christ, that makes you one of His sheep. But, that is an inversion of what He actually said: they didn't believe, BECAUSE they were not His sheep. They were NEVER His sheep, nor would they ever be able to become sheep - they were goats, always had been, always will be. Belief has nothing to do with it.

If you are one of Christ's sheep, you were BORN as that. It's genetics, not belief or faith or any of that modern crap. This goes back to Genesis: all things reproduce after their own kind. A sheep does not produce goats, it produces sheep. A bad tree grows bad fruit. You do not harvest grapes from thorns or figs from thistles. On and on, Jesus points this truth out, and yet people do not understand.

When Jesus says "depart from Me; I never knew ye", He is talking specifically to people who are not His sheep. The Shepherd knows His sheep, knew them even before that the world was. Salvation is ONLY for Christ's sheep, and it is promised them regardless of what they do or say or believe. The Promise was made to Israel without conditions - if you are an Israelite, you're saved, that's it.

The Promise of redemption was NEVER given to non-Israelites, the "workers of iniquity" He speaks of. They work iniquity because they are not Israelites, there is no good in them, they are forever unclean and cannot be purified, purely for WHAT they are, and nothing to do with WHO they are or what they SAY they believe. They work iniquity because they were BORN in iniquity, they lie because they are the children of the Liar, they murder because their father was a murderer. They're bad trees, they can only produce bad fruit, never good fruit. Christianity isn't meant for them.

>>507101436 (OP)
The interpretation is fairly simple when you read the whole idea.
There are many who claim themselves christians while not actually following the bible.
Racists, sexists and nationalists come to mind, as we know, God doesn't care about race or nationality (Galatians 3:28)

>>507109962
I never said your good deeds will save you. But when you approach the throne of Grace without walking in the commandments, Jesus will say "I know ye not whence ye are".

>>507109307
/Thread

>>507109962
>>507111985
And I'm only talking about asking and getting prayers answered.

>>507111985
>But when you approach the throne of Grace without walking in the commandments, Jesus will say "I know ye not whence ye are".
No one can follow the commandments. If you've broken one you're going to hell, which everyone has. The only way to be spared from the punishment you deserve is to trust in the blood sacrifice God performed in the flesh as Jesus Christ to redeem you of your sins.

>>507111483
If what you say is true than every one of these so-called "genetically" compatible people will come to faith in the blood sacrifice God performed in the flesh as Jesus Christ to redeem them of their sins. If you aren't trusting in that, you're done, end of story.

>>507109307
>t.

>>507112204
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:1 KJVAAE

gee, I wonder why we get such intense dissections of the absolute minutae of the bible and christianity in an attempt at making everyone athiests (last month it was pagans, but guess that psyop failed, remember that one?).
i wonder why we aren't having intense discussions of the minutae of the talmud? must be because we're all biblical scholars here.
and thus all the pre-vatican II popes went to hell, according to goy-chan via israel. lmao. rofl. fuck you.

>>507112204
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 6:46 KJVAAE

>>507101436 (OP)
read the Bible and find out
>pretend you know more than God
>live your life
>meet Jesus
>I knew you were real!
>"turn away from me, evildoer, I never knew you"

>>507112204
John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth His will, him He heareth.

>>507101436 (OP)
he's obviously talking about people that claim to be christians but are still assholes

>>507107580
>>507108165
how would you ever know what the will of the Father is in your life if you are not born again and grafted into the wine that is Jesus Christ?
you cant come to the Father but through the door that is Jesus Christ.

>>507103998
The concept of hell has evolved significantly over time, particularly within the Abrahamic religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Your observation about the historical development of hell is quite insightful, as it reflects a complex interplay of cultural, religious, and philosophical influences.

### Historical Development of Hell

1. **Early Concepts**:
- In ancient Hebrew texts, the term **Sheol** is often used, which refers to a shadowy place of the dead rather than a place of punishment. It is more akin to a grave or a state of being rather than a fiery torment.
- The idea of hell as a place of eternal punishment began to take shape during the **Second Temple period** (around 516 BCE to 70 CE), influenced by interactions with surrounding cultures, particularly Greek and Persian beliefs about the afterlife.

2. **Christianity**:
- In the New Testament, references to hell are sparse and often ambiguous. Jesus speaks of **Gehenna**, a term that originally referred to a valley outside Jerusalem associated with child sacrifice and later became a metaphor for a cursed place.
- The formalization of hell as a place of eternal torment was significantly influenced by early Church Fathers, particularly **Augustine of Hippo** in the 4th century, who articulated a doctrine of hell that included physical suffering and eternal punishment for the damned.

3. **Islam**:
- The concept of hell in Islam, known as **Jahannam**, is well-defined in the Qur'an, where it is described as a place of punishment for disbelievers and sinners. This concept was influenced by existing ideas of the afterlife from both Judaism and Christianity.

4. **Cultural Syncretism**:
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>>507112395
>"NO NO DON'T QUESTION MY RABBI, SAVE ME NIGGER MAN!!!"

>>507103998
The merging of Greek philosophical ideas with Jewish and Christian thought during the Hellenistic period contributed to the development of hell as a more structured and punitive afterlife. This syncretism is evident in the writings of early Christian theologians who integrated Platonic ideas about the soul and morality into their teachings.

5. **Literary Influences**:
- Works like **Dante Alighieri's "Divine Comedy"** in the 14th century further popularized and detailed the concept of hell, depicting it as a place of various levels of punishment based on the sins committed during life. This literary portrayal has had a lasting impact on Western perceptions of hell.

### Conclusion

The modern understanding of hell as a place of eternal punishment is a product of centuries of theological development, cultural exchange, and literary influence. It is not a straightforward concept found in the earliest texts of the Abrahamic faiths but rather a complex idea that has been shaped by various historical and cultural contexts. Your assertion that hell is a post-fact invention aligns with the view that many of its characteristics were developed later, influenced by the cultural milieu of the time.

>>507110532
>Didn't Mary have no sin?
Nope. That was made up by Roman Catholics. There is no verse anywhere in the Bible that says Mary lived a sinless life.

>And didn't god take Enoch up to heaven?
Enoch did not experience death, but that doesn't mean he never sinned. In fact, in Hebrew 11:5 it is stated that Enoch was taken because of his FAITH.

>>507113193
Genesis says he “walked” with God. Walking is an act, it requires work to accomplish.

>>507112594
>and doeth His will,
>And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

>>507112390
So you support everything I'm saying? You think a fleshy deed like helping an old lady walk across the street or abstaining from alcohol makes you righteous? No, if you were spiritual, you'd be trusting in Christ's blood sacrifice to redeem you. You'd trust in God, not yourself.

>>507104799
Hell in the Bible

The concept of hell as commonly imagined in modern Christianity, particularly as a place of eternal torment, is not explicitly described in the Bible. Instead, the Bible uses various terms and concepts that have been interpreted differently throughout history. In the Old Testament, the concept of the afterlife is vague, and the term "sheol" is used, which refers to the abode of the dead, not necessarily a place of punishment

In the New Testament, the Greek words "gehenna," "tartarus," and "hades" are used, each with distinct meanings. Gehenna, often associated with fire and punishment, appears in the Gospels but not in the letters of Paul or Revelation The idea of hell as a lake of fire for eternal punishment is not found in the Bible, according to some interpretations, and is seen as a misinterpretation of these terms

Regarding Revelation, the book does describe a place of punishment, but the exact nature and description of this place can vary based on interpretation. Some view it as a symbolic representation of final judgment rather than a literal place of eternal torment The Bible does mention hell as a real place where sinners are punished, and it is described as a place of torment and eternal punishment However, the specifics of this punishment and its duration can be subject to different theological interpretations.

>>507104799
Revelation 21:8 states: "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." This verse has been interpreted in various ways, often influenced by theological perspectives and contextual understanding.

One interpretation suggests that the "lake of fire" should not be taken literally but as symbolic of final judgment and separation from God. Some scholars argue that the lake of fire represents annihilation rather than eternal torment, emphasizing that those cast into it are destroyed completely, not subjected to unending suffering This aligns with the view that the "second death" refers to a definitive end rather than an eternal state of punishment

Others highlight the symbolic nature of the Book of Revelation itself, noting that it is filled with apocalyptic imagery and should not be interpreted in a strictly literal sense. The book's language and symbols are rooted in the historical and cultural context of the first century, and its messages were intended to convey hope and encouragement to early Christians facing persecution The list of sins in Revelation 21:8 is seen as a warning against behaviors that exclude individuals from the kingdom of God, similar to other New Testament passages that list sinful actions

The concept of the "lake of fire" also draws from ancient Near Eastern and Egyptian traditions, where fiery lakes were depicted as places of destruction or purification. In the context of Revelation, it may symbolize divine judgment and the ultimate fate of those who reject God's grace

Additionally, some interpretations focus on the idea that the "second death" is not necessarily a temporal sequence but a qualitative distinction from physical death. It signifies a spiritual death or eternal separation from God, rather than a literal burning

>>507113483
You're not even listening to what I'm saying. Is the throne of Grace the same thing as the throne of Glory? I say yes. When do we "boldy approach" the throne? After we die? No, every time we pray to God. Will we get what we ask for in prayer, or will Jesus say "I know ye not whence ye are"? It is entirely dependent on whether you are obeying His commandments (Yes) or walking in the flesh (No).
>John 15:10
>If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father’s commandments, and abide in His love.

>>507105235
Luke 16:23-24 describes a vivid scene where a rich man, after death, finds himself in Hades, a place of torment. From this torment, he looks up and sees Abraham far away, with Lazarus, a poor man who had previously begged at the rich man's gate, resting in Abraham's bosom, symbolizing comfort and closeness to God The rich man cries out to Abraham, pleading for mercy and asking that Lazarus be sent to cool his tongue with even a drop of water, as he is in agony from the flames

This passage is often interpreted symbolically rather than as a literal description of the afterlife. The torment in Hades is depicted through imagery of fire, which may not be understood as physical fire but rather as a metaphor for the anguish and separation from God that results from a life lived in selfish indulgence and neglect of the poor The distance between the rich man and Lazarus highlights the reversal of fortunes—those who are neglected and suffering on earth may find comfort in the afterlife, while those who ignored the needs of others may face divine judgment

Abraham's response to the rich man emphasizes that the chasm between them is fixed, indicating that the opportunity for salvation or comfort has passed, and there is no crossing from one place to the other This serves as a moral lesson about the use of wealth and the importance of compassion and righteousness in one's earthly life

The imagery used in this parable reflects Jewish traditions of the time, where the righteous dead were believed to be in the presence of Abraham, while the wicked faced torment It is important to note that this passage should not be taken as a comprehensive doctrine of the afterlife but rather as a teaching tool used by Jesus to convey ethical and spiritual truths.

>>507104358
Anon, God Almighty is not fair, He is Just
If you cant define the difference between the two words, dont waste the time
Equality is a false God and has nothing to do with the God of Israel, Whos Name is also Jealous(y)

>>507105341
The Book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature, a genre known for its heavy use of symbolism, visions, and dramatic imagery to convey spiritual truths. It was never intended to be read literally from start to finish.

Example: The "lake of fire" (Revelation 20–15) appears alongside beasts with seven heads, bowls of wrath, and a dragon with wings. These are not literal creatures but symbolic representations of spiritual realities.

Clue: The phrase "symbolic of" or "represents" often appears in commentary or interpretation within the text itself (e.g., Revelation 17).

>>507101436 (OP)
Lol he will send you to heaven.

It meant they knew the catholic church but didn't ever have a relationship with Jesus..
but thought they were because they went to church..

aka have a relationship with Jesus, that isn't just going to a church on sunday and thinking you are a good person, those people are self righteous

works and faith, they don't even read the bible, and when they do, they have their own bible and then they try to figure out what it means and they do so because this is what the catholic church said..

We know Jesus isn't with the catholic church because of all the pedofiles they cover up

yet all these fucking catholics thing they "know jesus"

>>507109307
Bingo

also no man goes to heaven except he who came down from heaven


and you've already fucked up thinking that anyone who dies goes to heaven, nobody fucking does they all go to hell good or bad, read the part of the bible about abraham

The only people who you could say "went to heaven" are those saints under the alter crying out saying how long lord..

they are basically crying being like we are stuck in a box under the alter and we dont want to be here anymore. .. those ar ethe only people "in heaven"

>>507113761
>It is entirely dependent on whether you are obeying His commandments (Yes) or walking in the flesh (No).
The commandment is to trust in God's blood sacrifice to redeem you of your sins.

>>507109828
You should give examples like an eruv or kaparot or something else? That's really arbitrary and ridiculous. Like the 1/60th rule

The 1/60th rule in Judaism, known as "Bittul," refers to a principle in Jewish law (Halacha) concerning the nullification of prohibited substances in food. According to this rule, if a prohibited substance (such as non-kosher food or a forbidden mixture) is mixed with a permissible substance, it can be nullified if the prohibited substance constitutes less than 1/60th of the total mixture.

>>507114531
"commandments"
Love your enemies" is this a commandment. Yes or no.

>>507114846
So is thou shall not kill, but if you've ever hated anyone (you have), you're guilty of murder, God equates hate to murder. So is thou shall not commit adultery, but if you've ever lusted after a woman, you've committed adultery. God equates lusting after a woman with adultery. Jesus was illustrating all of these to prove we've all failed to live up to God's standards, so only through his upcoming blood sacrifice can we be saved.

>>507101697
>Its hard to know which interpretation of the bible is right.
The fact that you need interpretation in the first place should have been the biggest redflag. What's the point of bible if all of you keep scratching your head on interpretations. I swear you christians are eternally confused bunch. The only thing you are not confused at is the idea of 1 god-3 persons. Or it should be 2 persons since I don't hear christians invoke Holy Ghost name.

>>507101697
The primary, principal problem with christendom and the way it's organised, is that most people's beliefs are construed out of singular verses quoted out of the context of the chapter and the book they were written in.
If you read the chapter and then read the verse as part of the chapter, you almost always get a completely different interpretation from the one that's being presented by the priest, reverend or the other guys/girls in conversation.

It's very simple the way they do this.
Goes as such.
There's a verse about jubilation coming at some point in the OT.
Therefore, the quantum financial system will bring jubilation to us in this time.
That's what and how they argue.
When you read the chapter, it's a specific jubilation for a specific people in a specific place and nobody else.
That automatically destroys their argument, and they won't have it because the Bible says so.
If only they bloody read their gay pedophile travesty, the rape of an original work composed to deify Julius Caesar and exploit that legacy to control the entire empire through religion, then they wouldn't think to argue silly shit.

Another example.
Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden for eating the forbidden fruit.
Therefore Man has fallen and sinned and is forever doomed unless repenting before the Lord, and this applies to ALL because everyone's descendant from Adam and Eve.
No that didn't happen.
"Garden of Eden" = Gar dúnn Éydinn. "Warm (place) nearby the rock (at the river) Éydinn." Edinburgh.
"Adam" = redhead.
"Eve" = Ewe. It's not a woman, it's fucking agriculture and animal husbandry.
"Forbidden fruit" = fungus. Mushrooms.
Then explicitly stated in the story, they were exiled into a world where other humans already roamed. The implication is that they weren't related at all.

The majority of Christians don't ask critical questions the way Jesus taught them in His example.

>>507115000
OK, so you admit Jesus gave many commandments. Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Etc. If you are NOT doing His commandments, you are not walking in the Spirit, and are under condemnation. What is that condemnation? No answered prayers. Nothing in any if my posts is about Salvation, which is by Belief.