I know America is a land of the automobile, but why are burgers so unwilling to face the inevitable changes coming.

For example, picrel is pandering to American farmers and the gas jew. What Secretary Rollins doesn't say is that approximately 40% of corn grown in the US is used to produce ethanol.

Solar and EVs are not going away. Burgers risk being left behind while China surges ahead.

>>507144896 (OP)
inb4 nuclear is better. Sure, there's a place for nuclear too.
picrel

I think maybe we want to use / sell as much of our natural gas as possible while we still have time, before it becomes politically or economically infeasible to extract and burn it

>>507144896 (OP)
Solar is stupid, unless you get to pay Chinese prices for panels.

>>507145159
That is understandable, but blocking other tech while doing so? That's just backwards looking.
>>507145293
why are chinese prices so low?

>>507145410
>why are chinese prices so low?
Credit and land for industry is basically free, power for industry is dirty cheap and profits margin are basically null.

the world is moving forward. even Elon is onboard.

>>507145660
if you got rid of some of the subsidies for oil and gas (which includes ethanol) solar would become cheaper relatively speaking. Plus, even at current prices more and more solar panels are being installed worldwide (not just in China). see >>507145782

>>507145902
Solar is already a massive subsidies money pit in the West

>>507145945
proofs? sounds like oil and gas jew talking points.
Oil and gas subsidies certainly are massive. 750 billion dollars in 2022 in the USA (picrel)

>>507144896 (OP)
why would you put solar panels on farmland when you have shit holes like Nevada,new Mexico,and Arizona that are just pure sun and sand.

are Americans stupid?

EVs are the future. stop clinging to the past and feeding the gas jew

>>507146784
Not to mention the water shortages in areas where irrigation is used. why keep farming so much corn when 40% goes to ethanol? Those farms are depleting aquifers like the Ogallala (picrel). There's desert to build on, and there's land that should not be getting used as farmland to lessen the strain on water.

burgers are so beholden to the gas jew they won't even recognize global warming.

>>507144896 (OP)
>Solar and EVs are not going away
I know this is difficult for Marxists to understand but people adopt technology that improves their lives as soon as they can afford it. Nobody is "resisting" anything, do you think the average person cant figure out if they can afford a solar power station on top of their house, or whether or not an EV will work in their lives?

People arent stupid, they will adopt the technology when it makes sense. Solar still isnt cost effective or viable for many different situations, including being in Canada. In the sun belt many people are adopting solar at current prices, especially in new custom home builds, in Canada where your panels dont produce jack shit for 6 months out of the year; not so much. People arent going to agree with some retarded analysis that claims they will recoup their investment in 27.3yrs or whatever because they know instinctively that the equipment wont last that long. Solar at grid scale is lame and gay, Nuclear is way more sensible for the majority of the grid. With solar used at the individual customer scale.

EVs have the same issues with cost and reliability. People will adopt EVs when it makes sense for them to, when they feel like the technology improves their lives. Right now EVs have a fuckton of problems, range, costs, depreciation, charging times, charging infrastructure, etc, etc, etc. The tech isnt ready for prime time yet, but when it is more and more people will buy it.

The government doesnt need to invest money into it, or force people to do it, when people are ready they will voluntarily switch. Just like every other technological innovation ever. Dumb Commie retard.

>>507144896 (OP)
who cares

>>507148543
You're talking as if most energy projects are the choice of individual consumers, but all major energy projects are government projects. Individual consumers didn't build gas stations or hydroelectric dams.

Look here>>507146157
There are massive subsidies that make internal combustion cars more appealing. you could change consumer habits by changing that.

>>507148898
you

>>507144896 (OP)
Solar is shit. As usual China invested in too much in speculative tech and is not stuck with absurd overproduction capacity for a tech thats on the way out.

>>507149304
more gas jew talking points ignoring all of the data and arguments in the thread.
you think China is dumb; your country is draining its largest aquifer to grow corn to add to fuel instead of investing in EV infrastructure

>>507149755
Stop coping chang. The fact that everyone itt disagrees with your takes is not some conspiracy against you. Its just objective fact. If solar was so good governments would be racing to adopt it en masse. No cabal of capitalist strawmen in your head could stop it. But they dont. Nobody cares about your dubious green cope data. Solar isn’t efficient at scale. An individual can use some solar panels to offset some water heating costs in summer months and thats about it. Covering a million square miles of desert with solar panels is retarded and pointless for many reasons. If you haven't noticed elon is an impulsive sperg that blurts out all kinds of things he knows fuck all about when he’s high.

>>507144896 (OP)

We're fast tracking nuclear plants. Solar should be used as supplementary until we can build an orbital ring for power collection. Desert ecosystem is fragile, adding solar can be detrimental to such.

>>507150516
this is one of the dumber posts i've read today as pretty much everything you said in it was false.

>>507151380
fast tracking nuclear makes sense. hopefully solar will be used as as supplementary.

>>507151394
Care to explain why or are you gonna just cope more? Why are leafs such fucking assholes? Is it because you're all low iq shitskins who are easily upset now?

>>507146157
>unpriced externalities
Literally made up numbers.

>>507151664
Not going to waste my energy retyping previous posts that you have just ignored. Make an actual argument and I'll reply.

P.s. my IQ is 144

>>507144896 (OP)
Don't care still driving a car with a real engine in it. Also you're gay and most likely a cyclist. Stay off the roads.

>>507151841
even if you get rid of unpriced externalities (which is a legitimate category even if you might not agree with the calculations) there's still hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies.

>>507152301
real engine for a real man. he's really manly guys, no queer here, no cowardice, just courage. a Real Man.

>>507151590

Solar beyond Tropic of Cancer or Tropic of Capricorn doesn't make much sense. Solar as supplementary power supply is good, especially on a small scale up to village size. They'd get more advancement if they follow that route for research and experimentation.

>>507152044
This whole thread is a waste if time then. You want to know why something isn't being done and when told you spurg out and say thats wrong but don't explain why. Listen chang I know china has way to much product on its hands that it needs to move but nobody here is a decision maker. You aren't gonna change policy here. All you can do is make your case. You haven't. Why don’t americans cover half the country in trash tier solar panels from china? Because they suck and solar is a meme like most green new scam tech. You might be able to run a desperately poor African country on solar energy. You cant run a country with energy needs like the US has on solar. Its just not an efficient enough power source.

>>507152923
You don't want to buy them from China, and you want to increase US manufacturing so... anon... do you realize you're depleting your largest aquifer to critically low levels to grow corn to put in gas, which you subsidize in the 100s of billions of dollars per year.... and oh fuck it I'm not going to repeat myself anymore.

>>507153491
Solar isn't a replacement for gasoline at all. You have no clue what you're talking about because you don't even know what you’re advocating.

>>507153960
Go back and read my original post. I use solar panels and EVs as two separate but related examples of how the gas jew is causing you to cling to outmoded technologies. Of course solar panels don't replace internal combustion cars.

when the engine is gone america will have lost every single thing that made it worth living in, you may aswell go live under a dumpster in france at that point.

>>507154434

>>507144896 (OP)
Why do you care?

>>507154538

>>507154621

>>507154434
>America wasn't worth living in between 1776 and ~1903
interesting take anon

>>507154769
enjoy getting eaten by wolves or tb i guess.

>>507154165
Do you know who invests the most in wind and solar? The gas jew companies as you call them.

>>507154915
you realize an electric engine is much simpler than an IC engine? (and it's still an engine)

>>507155143
i dont give a fuck nigger, guess you can't make faggots understand

>>507155043
post proofs please.
Why is Secretary Collins defending growing nearly half the corn the US grows just to produce ethanol? especially when your water resources are under so much strain already?

>>507154549
I'm an American

>>507155143
And do you realize that converting to purely electric engines requires and massive orders of magnitude increase in energy production and a massive expansion of the power grid? Hybrids are viable. EVs are not. Yet another bad investment on chinas part.

>>507155373
Water resources arent under stress. Why are you so concerned with corn growth when US agricultural capacity isnt anywhere close to being maxxed out?

>>507155590
I don't care if it was as easy as plucking a leaf off a tree, evs belong in this age of no legends, no heros and no hope.
I will do everything I can to tune this faggot shit out untill I can't anymore and then I'll go postal when I can't run anymore.

>>507155590
You keep making claims but have provided no proofs.
>>507155911
see>>507147052
This is my last time replying to you until you bring some proofs to back up your claims and address the proofs I've already provided

>>507156156
You haven’t answered a single one of my questions so I accept your pathetic surrender. Remember and youre the one that wants to change current policy, not me. Its on you to make your case and convince others.

All oil will be consumed whether even if no automobiles used it.

Most things made of plastic are oil based.
Nothing can replace jet fuel for flying fast.
Militaries will consume and run on oil until it ceases to exist because nothing else can power tanks, jets, ships, and other heavy military vehicles.
Oil comes out of the ground at relative low cost. Any other source of so many fuels and industrial chemicals would require more energy intensive synthesis of a variety of things. It will cost more money and energy to make things in other ways than to just pump free chemicals out of the ground.

So even if you eliminated all fuel using civilian vehicles all of the planet's oil will be used until it runs out. It would merely last a bit longer.

>>507155926
Low T faggots are the reason pikes peak is paved and they will give you the flouride stare when they explain 'muh ev this, muh ev that' when you tell them they're going to hell for being niggerlover ev owners.

>>507156404
Those who can read will see what I've posted and what you have posted, and they will be able to tell you are disingenuous, and that you've made statements but provided no evidence. My goal is not to convince you (a shill) but those readers. THanks for all the bumps.

>>507156712
Yes, there will continue to be some uses for oil and gas, no one is denying that. Consumption can come down a lot, and it should. I for one will be very glad to see certain countries lose some of their power as a result.

>>507156848
None of your cope posts addressed anything I posted wither. A map of areas where almost no corn at all is grown doesn't address a single issue regarding the failings of EVs or solar. You lost.

>>507147052
>The Ogallala Aquifer, the underground rock and sediment formation that spans eight states from South Dakota to the Texas Panhandle, is the only reliable water source for some parts of the region. But for decades, states have allowed farmers to overpump groundwater to irrigate corn and other crops that would otherwise struggle on the arid High Plains.

>Today, the aquifer supports 20% of the nation’s wheat, corn, cotton and cattle production and represents 30% of all water used for irrigation in the United States.