Thread 507239919

Iranian media:

The Iranian military shot down an Israeli F-35 fighter jet using an F-14 Tomcat

>https://x.com/intelFromBrian/status/1933578299696918742
>https://x.com/Bk_Hanasa/status/1933576423224058224


whether or not this is real, only time will tell

>>507239919 (OP)
Real ones know F35 is weaker than f15 by a mile. Literally a shit jet.

>>507239919 (OP)
Impossible

We never even get any footage of dog fights. That would be epic.

>>507240103
35s ain't no f22

>>507239919 (OP)
Nice photo of the wreckage, OP

>>507240103
F35 is meant for battle control not command of the sky, it's a small little one man jet meant for its payload and radar uplink, as well as disposability

>>507239919 (OP)
>an F-14 Tomcat
I didn't think those old tomcats could even still fly

>>507240295
Single engine and lack of engineering. It's a failed shit. The main reason for it's creation is to sell it for third world countries.

israel talks tough but they're a paper tiger
their infantry got wrecked on oct 7th by guys riding in on parachutes
their tanks got wrecked in gaza and lebanon in 2006

>>507240327
I think they've got a handful but that's it. I have my doubts an F-14 did this since it would have to be almost within visual range to do it.

>>507239919 (OP)
if it's true, Lockheed shares will tank more than Dassault

>>507239919 (OP)
>Iranian media
Uh huh

There are also media reports that you gobble nigger cocks day and night.

>>507239919 (OP)
Fucking finally. The kikes gotta feel pain and destruction, otherwise they don't stop. I hope Iran's missiles get through and start pounding Pissrael. Also, they should have Chinese and Russian generals in their country tonight.

>>507240327
Nigga please.
Based Tom took out a bunch of 5th gen fighters with one last year.

>>507239919 (OP)
If they get their hands on the pilot, they should stuff his severed head with explosives and send it to tel aviv with a drone. Would be pretty funny

>>507240533
those media reports are true, then

>>507240533
we don't need a news report to know what you do when you see an unsucked kike dick.

>>507240576
Based cruise

>>507240327
Old gens still rule. Just not stealthy that's it.

>>507239919 (OP)
>whether or not this is real, only time will tell

>>507240150
>>507240295
The pic is from 2015 so I doubt it

>>507240295
>disposability
I guess at 1.7 billion USD a pop (including development cost), it's disposable alright
BTW, buyers don't pay the 1.6 billion a pop development costs, that would be american tax payers / the FED

>>507240567
Muslims and Jews don't stop until one side has genocided the other.

>>507239919 (OP)
Man this Top Gun sequel is wild.

>>507240440
>a failed shit
I don't like the F-35, but I have noticed that only jeets type like this. Why are you hiding your flag?

picture of the strike

>>507240100
The F35 is an advanced weaapon platform. But in a fight it's a brick.

>>507239919 (OP)
i will add it to the carriers the houthis sank...kek
>just brown cope

>a tom cat shot down an f-35
ye sure lmao

>>507240946
F22s and f18s have proven to be far superior than f35s. F35B is literally just for parking vertically.

>>507239919 (OP)
>F-14 Tomcat

>>507239919 (OP)
Yeah, I don’t believe this for a second

If only Iran put more effort into their army instead of their cope

>>507239919 (OP)
Damn, imagine how bad the F-35 are going to perform against the superior technology of J-10C, J-20, J-35 "Mighty Dragon", let alone the hyper advanced J-36 and J-XDS.

>>507239919 (OP)
doubtful, but I hope it's true.

>>507241179
F35s will deliver a missile up the ass of an F22 and F18 before they ever see them. If an F35 is ever caught up in a dogfight, it’s a pilot/control error.

>>507241348
Iran is broke that's why.

>>507240120
>dogfights
They don't exist because they're antiquated. And even if they did exist, you'd never see them because they'd be very high up and very fast and very secretive.

It's a lot easier to fly your hundred million dollar jets in a safe airspace to launch some missiles miles away and go home.

>>507239919 (OP)
The Ghost of Tehran

>>507240103

Stop raping children Shlomo.

https://www.rt.com/news/619022-israel-satanic-child-abuse/

>>507241546
Wrong. F16 is better than f35 other than stealth faggot. There's a reason f22s are outlawed to sell.

>>507240440

You have no idea what the fuck you're actually talking about. There is countless procurement shenanigans and other political nonsense between manufacturing and money allocation with Lockheed/Government, but pretending the jet itself is not extremely capable and a piece of shit is total bullshit.

Notice there is zero proof for this, and on the other hand, we have had f-35's decimating Iranian C&C, A2/AD, and other military facilities. This is cope and you should know that if you're not a brownoid retard because it's obvious.

>>507239919 (OP)
big if true

>>507239919 (OP)
Anything is possible if with LARP.

>>507239919 (OP)
HIIIIIIIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

>>507241546
Considering lockheeb was trying to sell it as a do it all multirole it could very well find itself in a bad situation, it's why people who bought it are now also scrambling for an F-22like aircraft to support it.

>>507241504
Chinese fighters are trash, hate to break it to you. There are only two countries in the world who know how to make good fighters, and that's Russia and the USA. Neither country sells the good stuff to their allies btw.

>>507239919 (OP)
Fuck, they got their own Tom Cruise?

>>507240848
He wiped his shit on it.

>>507241719
You realise that the Typhoon can also bomb things if you want to?

>>507239919 (OP)
>Iranian media:
FAKE NEWS

No fucking way, lying fucking moozlems

Have a bump.

>>507241179
F22s have never been used in combat. Their total kill is a runaway balloon.

>>507241546
>F22 is less stealth than some fat piece of shit pig plane
hahahahaahahah shut the fuck up you retarded shitskin

>>507240522
I doubt it happened but an old F-14 could conceivably have carried newer missiles. The extreme complexity/cost of "integrating" new missiles with aircrafts is probably mostly just the MIC scamming billions from taxpayers.

>>507239919 (OP)
The flag of destroying Israel for real this time has been raised AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa

>>507241783
Cope, mutt vaporware is nowhere near the level of Chinese aircraft technology. Better engines are not going to make the difference in modern aerial combat.

>>507240440
You have no clue what you’re talking about. The US is extremely exclusive with who it sells F35s too. It won’t even sell them to Turkey.

>>507241976
The F-22 is like 2 decades older in technology.

>>507239919 (OP)
Erm... Bros?

>>507241945
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-22-stealth-fighter-flew-under-iranian-f-4-phantom-undetected-190472
They are used in operations. Obama killing them for no reason other than to produce a trillion dollar fat amy was one of the worst military decisions ever. A true air superiority plane with purpose.

>>507240522
>would have to be almost within visual range to do it.

Iran is the only current active operator of the AIM-54 Phoenix long range air to air missile. These missiles are old and were not the best even back in the day but they still outrange modern AMRAAM's. I can conceive some Israeli F-35 pilot being caught lacking.

>>507241783
Russian jets are dogshit

>>507241850
There is a difference between designing a fighter with an expanded set of roles versus a plane trying to do it all from the beginning and compromising on everything.
EF2000 was designed primarily as an F-16 replacement which itself didn't even get the ability to do bombing until the design was finalised.

>>507242179
What use is long range if you can't detect it never mind get a lock on it?

>>507239919 (OP)
>expecting an f35 not to be dogshit
>expecting nappy wearing jews to be good combat pilots
I believe this story 200%

>>507240740
F-35s are about $100m each when accounting for the total cost of the program.

>>507241673
>but pretending the jet itself is not extremely capable and a piece of shit is total bullshit.

Never called it a piece of shit. Sure it's stealthy and super capable. But compared to f16s which has a single engine and from 80s, there really isn't much of an upgrade. F18s and f22s are far superior and su-57s are far more aligned with 5th gen than f35 is. If you disagree with this you're retarded.

>>507242294
You are just repeating what you heard from the guy who was involved with the F-16 saying it's bad because it's not an F-16.

>>507242290
They seem to be doing a good job destroying every piece of NAFO hardware that you guys send to Ukraine. How many Abram tanks are left, 2?

>>507240120
modern "dogfights" happen at such great distances that footage of them would be really boring.

>>507242451
about 6000

>>507239919 (OP)
are we really doing the ghost of kiev shit again? lmao
this did not happen

>>507242164
Obama killed it cause there really isn't a profit in it being worth every single penny. F35s make atleast 50 million for nothing. Military industrial complex at play.

>>507242536
nice reading comprehension

>>507242395
No, I read the massive 400 page report the USAF itself published about it's own airforce. Spey is just a butthurt nigger. The F-16 design was finalised as a cheaper F-15, lockheeb saw an opportunity to sell them a fighter with a basic bombing ability to replace the F-104 lawndart to the rest of NATO.

>>507242366
280m with a program. Rafael is 300m.

>>507239919 (OP)
TOTAL F-35 DEATH

>>507241783
America is happy to sell the F35 to its allies.
No spare parts are available, they are manufactured to order. Step out of line and your fleet quickly gets grounded.
None of the delivered aircraft is fully capable. The first few hundred delivered aren't capable of combat. That includes the USAF planes. Many weapons are not integrated. The next design upgrade, after a decade of deliveries, is supposed to finally be capable of combat.
The planes have to phone home to America for permission before flying. No satellite uplink, no mission.

>>507242334
F35 is worse than chinese tier.

>>507239919 (OP)
Wow, that's going to cost the US a lot of money to replace.

>>507240120
There’s a youtube channel which recreates some of the known ones, best I can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WevXTsed_oc

>>507242640
Suuure and it just so happens to be exactly the same tripe people have been spraffing about the F-35 ever since it was in development and continue to spraff even as it shits all over everything else.

>>507240946
>But in a fight it's a brick.
>source i made it up

>>507239919 (OP)
Very unlikely.

>Massive crippling decapitation strike takes out leadership, nuke weapons plants
>nation humiliated and impotent, hoist up the red cuck flag of seething
>fabricate impossible story of F35 shootdown, a single fucking plane is a dream and the best they can come up with as Israel owns the skies with total air supremacy

Great shit Iran, keep on seething.

it is just only one. israel has hundreds of them.
what kind of cope are you chudsels are going through? Iran is proven paper tiger already

>>507242051

Yes the people that can't even get one of the most arguably important pieces of technology on jets as good as other countries, are somehow way more advanced than everyone else. Like their AESA' radars being inferior. It's why they've copied anything they can, and even the J-20 is a "stealth" Mig-1.44 copy. Same with their Su-27 knockoffs that are even inferior to Russian variants. But of course you're just a chink/brown trying to cope like you all always do. Just as Iran "media" is coping about shooting down an f-35 right now.

>>507242645
Ten years ago maybe, but the price has come way down. The current flyaway cost is like $80m and so many are being produced and exported the per plane cost ends up being not much higher.

>>507239919 (OP)
>>507240103

I was just going to ask this.
Were they using any planes at all or was it all missiles?

I can absolutely believe and F-14 can take down F-35s, but does Iran actually have any that can still fly? I guess China can make spare parts?

>>507242314
Stealth is not all aspect on the F35. The stealth coating is just a form of rust and like rust corodes and wears away.

>>507242164
>>507242574
F-22 was killed because it just doesn't have any reason to exist anymore. It was designed to intercept theoretical next-gen Soviet bombers and dogfight with super fighters that never ended up materializing. Its an amazing plane but canning it was pretty justified.

it's ok. tom cruise successfully ejected and stole a F-16 and flew home

>>507243021
Nonsense.

>>507241812
>>507240848
>Jeet

Pajeets would be worshiping all over 35s since they've ordered it. I've noticed pajeets live in Canada and Australia so I'm not surprised you'd resort to calling me a jeet for saying 35s are shit.

Bunch of pajeet street shitter faggots

>>507242640
>>507242769
please both of you just have buttsex with each other already and give us the conclusion of this argument when you're done

>>507239919 (OP)
Time to let the kid out of the hangar

>>507243050
>canning it was pretty justified.

Come on it's way ahead of it's time.

>>507239919 (OP)
>Iranian media
Stopped reading right there

>>507240103
It still has an IR signature.

NLOS missiles could do the deed
Not sure how up to date ir*n is, but assuming jizzreal flew during daylight they deserved it

>>507239919 (OP)
>using an F-14 Tomcat
I do not habeeb it.

>>507242837
Flyway cost is set at 100-150 depends on model.

>>507240295
Nobody actually knows what it's for. The people who designed it didn't know either, that's why it turned out the way it did.

>>507241657
true

f16 is the KANG of the gunslingers. you try and rate around that bitch you're going dick first into the dirt. always wanted to fly one just once t. ppl holder

>>507243107
Oh I can give you that easy, he's butthurt and he wants vaseline.

>>507243447
Why would I be butthurt at you being wrong?

>>507243303
As of 2025 the cost is $81.1m average across the three models.

>>507243280
Your using TikTok censored lingo on one of the most uncensored and unchecked sites, virtues don’t matter here Samurai.

>>507243302
holy shit im having zelda cdi flashbacks mahboi

>>507243106
Wrong argument saar. I'm knocking the F35. The Canadian Jeet knows how to identify his fellow invasive lifeforms and I accept his judgement.

>>507240576
Yeah, but Tom is a top gun.

>>507243050
But what about the decepticons?

35 are fucking loud, live near Burlington VT where the air guard flies out of and impressive shit thinking how much money is flying over when like 5 fly over in formation.

>>507243223
Yes they build it knowing that every plane has one, but you can minimize it. And by minimizing it you can outrange any shit jet not build to be stealthy

>>507243522
Because you're clearly upset about it. You've got this weird notion in your head i'm some Spey nigger when i'm just posting the facts.

>>507243394
It was perfect. Things easier to mass produce. It's engine was designed to perform and it was super reliable. F35 is it's succession but it sucks.

>>507242388

>But compared to f16s which has a single engine and from 80s, there really isn't much of an upgrade. F18s and f22s are far superior and su-57s are far more aligned with 5th gen than f35 is. If you disagree with this you're retarded.

Thanks for outing yourself as even more retarded because everything you said is objectively wrong.

It's light years ahead of F-16 in its sensor suite alone, not even mentioning data fusion and the AESA radar capabilites. "Not much of an upgrade" my ass. As far as Su-57's go they don't even have proper stealth and fail to even possess S-ducts through their intakes lmao. As far as their other abilities are concerned it's more aligned as a Su-35 body kit and what you accused the f-35 compared to the f-16 as being than whatever nonsense you're implying

You have no clue what you're saying and would be better admitting you were ill informed because of Lockheed politics and congressional dick sucking than understanding the actual jet.

>>507243209
Indisputable, but doesn't change the fact that we are approaching the end of their service life and nothing nothing it was designed to combat ended up being made. If they had made the originally planned 750 it would have just been a waste.

>>507241204
>I am feeling the need for speed insallah

>>507239919 (OP)
Tel Aviv just got bombed, get on Al Jazeera Livestream

>>507243834
The F-35 will see the other plane first, fire on it first, kill it first, and probably not get seen in return. What else wold you like it to do?

IT warms my heart that an old F14 fighter jet can still get it done.

>>507243991
Shiatsu massage chair?

>>507239919 (OP)
!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!
Reports are coming in that the Ghost of Tehran has just shot down 23 Israeli F35s and has just launched ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv!!!

>>507243969
>Al Jazeera
A Pali shopkeep at the Bazaar set off a firecracker

>>507243106
Why are you embarrassed by your flag? I don't believe that you are White. I agree with most of what you say about Western equipment but what's with the flag?

>>507239919 (OP)
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.

>>507239919 (OP)
Please God this would be so fucking funny.

oh no no no no no nooooo ahahahahah
/k/ will be SEETHING
subhuman kike shills

>>507243909
>It's light years ahead of F-16 in its sensor suite alone

Ofc retard. You're comparing a 80s sensors to 2025. Of fucking course.

A mig 29 could shoot down f35 any day of the week. Suck your own little dick faggot.

There is also a video circulating of an Israeli pilot parachuting that later got captued. YOOO IMALEEEH

>>507243021
Nah you're thinking of earlier stealth jets
one of the F-35's big advancements was baking the primary stealth coating right into the aircraft skin. Its actually a form of carbon fiber with irregular carbon nanotubes grown atop the fibers then reinforced with resin. Its similar in principle to vantablack but radar wavelength optimized.
Shits durable enough that the floormat to the main F-35 production facility is made of the stuff, and they test the mat for wear yearly.

>>507243991
>now dodging
Concession accepted. Right now there are joint programmes to cover the gap the F-35 can't fill which is air superiority.

>>507243798
They didn't really minimize it that much though for the F35.

>>507244133
>don't believe that you are White.

SAR DO NOT REDEEEM

>>507244283
Come on. What is it that the F-35 is so bad at in a fight when it can fucking clear the skies on its own from miles away?

>>507244336
More then anything Iran can field

>>507240295
>>507240440
Shut the fuck up you clueless retard

>kids don't know about block upgrades
This is your brain on arcade games.

>>507244531
Yeah but that doesn't really change my point. Stealth aircraft aren't invincible and the F35 isn't exactly a premier stealth aircraft.

>>507244336
Nah the F-35 has quite a few IR measures.

>>507241945
the design spec was to in every pwn the f15, which is 104 and 0. test flights with the best 15 pilots and even with 22 pilots in 15s get their aases handed to them. no one with their head on straight would go agasint a 22.

>>507244372
I can post my White skin. Can you show your flag?

>>507244372
Kys you brown retard

>>507242806
that dude fucked the evanescence broad

This thread should be jannied, all clueless brown retard talking about shit they know nothing about, kill yourselves you clueless mongs.

>>507240522
I don't. F-14s are fast jets and Iranian f-14s are quite customized. The Israel isn't aiming for air superiority either, at least not thru dogfights, so they are hoping to be able to bomb and escape.

It's like Darth Vader picking off X-wings attacking the Death Star.

>>507244263

"Not much of an upgrade". Not even getting into it's capabilities, every country we offer it to that have tested know its better than whatever they have. Mig-29 has shit engines and service shelf issues anyways btw lol. Like I said you should have admitted you didn't know enough about the subject than making ridiculous claims and assumptions.

>>507244687
Yes it has things that reduce it, but it's not going to reduce it that much. It's not anything close the F-22 and aircraft that are designed to maximize stealth like the B2 are designed totally different in terms of their engine layout and mission.

>>507243894
me again if my IP changes driving to get lunch from work. i was in the usaf early on the OIF conflict, not one of the OG niggers but i was there in the mid 2000s. i used to work flight line in my secondary duties

the funniest shit i heard was this colonel flew a mission, did it successfully, brought his viper back all fucked up and swiss cheesed. made it back alright, dunno if he took the barrier

i think it was general north, or one of the brig gens under him, he told that guy "WE GET PAID FOR DELIVERIES, NOT RETURNS" and grounded his ass from flying. lawl.

>>507243538
Uh, when you buy 35A which is the standard version, it's 100 million and above. When you order it in bulk, it's lower. 80 is about the right price when it comes with no missiles.

>>507243941
>would have just been a waste

How? Flights get regularly updated every 3 years. The HUD helmet from f35 costs 500k and that thing is a waste of money. Single engine is great for fuel efficiency and easier to mass produce but f35 could've been wayyyy better. You gotta atleast agree with me with the last sentence.

>>507239919 (OP)
>shot down an Israeli F-35 fighter jet using an F-14 Tomcat
FUCKING KINO

>>507245155
Stealth works by making the plane seems smaller than it is. The Lightning is smaller than the Raptor to begin with.

>>507244673
>Oh look i could detect in in very limited short range stealth sucks!!!!
Of course stealth isnt invincible but its better to minimize every risk you can. And how i said its better then anything Iran, or russia to be honest, can field
(Im mentioning RU because iran has bought some jets i think)

>>507241067
Just a bait thread.

>>507244878
>>>507242806
>that dude fucked the evanescence broad
Lucky man!

>>507244789
>>507244746

SAAAAR DOOONT PLEASE DON'T REDEEEEM

Shut up Rajesh. No more replies for you.

>>507245278
we can't stop winning tomcat bros!

>>507245155
nah F-22 is way hotter in IR, and was less stealthy
They recently reskinned the entire F-22 fleet with F-35 derived panels so its a tossup now.
You can do quite a bit with nozzle design. B-2 still has less of a signature IR wise though yeah.
B-21 is king shit of fuck mountain stealth wise though, unless we're counting RQ-180.

>>507239919 (OP)
Tom Cruise is /our guy/ after all. I knew it!

>>507245595
>humiliated by his own flag
Kek. Tell me which object you want me to hold in my White hand for proof: Telescope, bicycle, camera lens, live chicken, body armor, crossbow... no firearms, we've gotten into trouble for posting them online before because we're ruled by jews.

After I post pic, you show flag.

>>507245078
>every country we offer it to that have tested know its better than whatever they have

Duh. It's supposed to be. And guess what? Su 57 costs 60 m and is better than F35 in everything.

Radar fov, top speed, altitude. You name it. Everything. Prove me wrong faggot. Su 57 is literally what a 5th gen is supposed to be.

>>507246107
>Body armour

Your rain coat doesn't count, poopy jeet.

>>507239919 (OP)
I don't care if it's real. The F-14 is one of the most amazing planes ever built. Not only is it beautiful, but it also looks imposing with its wings closed, like an arrow ready to hit the enemy.
It's literally the Chad Tomcat vs the virgin F-35.

>>507240617
Welcome to based county

>>507246378
This. Everything. Nailed it my nigga.

>>507246145
the side looking radars on the Su-57 can't handle the same amount of power, less T/R by their nature
otherwise nah the APG-81 is going to have better beamforming than the N036 just by virtue of material, and the accompanying published noise floor figures tell a hell of a tale
I'd expect the APG-81 to detect a roughly 3x smaller RCS at the same distance vs the N036 in practice; that translates to quite a bit more usable range.

>>507245314
F35 isn't a deep strike aircraft and it's stealth capabilities are compromised because it's mission profile and the fact a lot of what it's asked to do is outside the ability of current stealth tech. If they really wanted a really stealthy fighter they would have given it a different nozzle, that is for certain. It was compromised design from the beginning and what you really describe are mitigation features.

Also I'm skeptical the published F35 RCS values because if it was really that low, we would be mass producing stealth strike aircraft that are stealthier than the B2.

>>507246378
It's shit, as many incidents, with deaths too, show. Very unreliable. Looks good though.

>>507240740
Per unit cost is down to around 83 million you fucking retard. A new gulfstream costs more

>>507246378
that thing makes the most horrendous 4 bit noises man i absoltely hate watching people DCS that thing no matter how relevant it still is

Israel bricked US software and did their own upgrades.
The country Israel has an average IQ of 94.
I believe it 100%.
>>507244743
How many fighter pilots do you know that have their head on straight?
>Mission success unlikely
>Sign me up sir!

>>507242001
Absolutely, a basic bitch electrical engineer, or automation guy could come up with a way to interface two different systems together.

>>507245691
The F35's published RCS is 50 times higher than the F22 and the F22 is capable of speeds much greater than the F35 so you need to make sure you actually are comparing apples to apples. The IR performance is better than the F35 which doesn't have a shielded nozzle. If the F22 is going full afterburner at mach 2+ then it might be a different story.

>>507246361
Covert and overt.
Show flag.

>>507244948

This happens everytime this subject comes up that the retards come out the woodwork making insane claims and comparisons that objectively aren't even true based on what we actually do know, and it's clearly from people that haven't actually looked into any of these things.

It's pure cope and a successful media campaign against Lockheed failing to address any of the political retardation surrounding procurement of their jets, which is full of tons of bullshit and an actual point of contention. Retards still think WVR combat is a real thing and Lockheed/DOD let browns and tards throughout the media run wild thinking F-35's are going to get shotdown left and right in dogfights during ww3, instead of telling the haters and everyone else bitching about it that with its EOTS/EODAS and an/aqq-37 sensor suite system, it can literally shoot behind them and almost at any other angle with weapons capable lock instead of getting in a turn fight in the merge. Retards don't even understand than AIM-9X right now can pull 50+ G's and no one is out maneuvering that in a manned jet. Or even just the reality of BVR combat in general lol. These posts are the coincidence of combat jet illiteracy.

>>507239919 (OP)

Meme plane confirmed. What a piece of shit.

>>507247673
i literally went to a briefing by a Major (rank) fighter pilot in 2005ish. he talked me out of it.

that job is trash. its a 10 year commit also.

>>507241657
Why are gadsen fags vibe always airsoft larper spouting what he learned about military equipment from video games?

>>507247867
Almost as if it was designed as one tiny piece of a digital battlefield system for America, not for export to random retards to send over borders unassisted. It is still a piece of shit though, and I believe at least 50% of the budget for its development was just money laundering.

>>507246915
Su 57 is completely covered with radar aperture on 360 degrees. AESA radar detection even f35 lacks. IRST and lower back radars which is non existent in f35. It's L band radar stealth is better than f35s and it's been proven.

It has supercruise with 3d thrust vector WHICH F35 DOESN'T POSSESS LMAO.

I've debunked your fake and gay argument with actual fact. And the fact is f35 sucks.

>>507239919 (OP)
OH NO NO NO NO F35SISSIES

>>507248146
it has visible rivets you brown slavnigger retard, this is not cheerleader camp little girl i will skullfuck you.

>>507242051
>Chang furiously types from his Eindhoven flat
Taking a break from stealing Philips trade secrets?

>>507242148
Iran has alien cube technology?

>>507245078
nah it's not really that much better. Stealth which can be neutralized, integrated internet, some better cornering. Mostly it's just minor upgrades.

>>507248081
And you're saying video games lie? Isn't it the 1:1 ratio or nah?

>>507248146
>typing in caps
The other thing I only see jeet flags do, kek.

>>507242001
Ukraine proved that they have fucking bolted everything under the sun to the flankers. Stand off cruise missiles, agm88 harms, scalps and all sorts of shit. Electricity doesn't speak russian or english

>>507239919 (OP)
>mahvriik n khoosz
>taghp ghun
jester's dead

>>507248311
I will literally rape your faggot ass.

>>507248146
fat amy's my girl, dont you trash on her ass hole, i wanna get in of that fat dod graft

cha ching

>>507242064
Only because they bought the s-400 from russia

>>507248516
Cope pussy

>>507242148
nice dcs

>>507248515
you will shit and fall backwards into it make a shit angel and then tongue my ass, and thats a maybe, if you dont die from sucking my cock first you brainless bitch nigger.

>>507245078
>>507245078
>it's capabilities
>it's

>>507248516
F-32 would have looked infinitely better.

>>507248641
pussy with sacks full of shekels, giant nigger

>>507248885
that delta wing is..gehhhhhh

i know its a lot faster and cheaper to pump em out

>>507248714
I will choke you senseless with my cock and balls up your faggot face. Tranny incel bald faggot.

2 planes shot down.
1 stronk female pilot captured.
You go gril!

>>507240327
f14 is the best thing aviation produced, followed by ah64

>>507246145

You're talking about speed and altitude like we're back in the F-4 days still lmao. Every post you make seems to be grasping at straws and admitting you only have a very surface level understanding of what combat aircraft actually do and what they can do. I will say again, the Su-57 doesn't even have S-sucts, the very basic of stealth characteristics. The sensor suite, including radar is superior than any Su-57 fielded. It's RCS is also much bigger than an F-35. AN/APG-81's have a superior array and beam capabilities than it's Russian counterparts. The DAS system already has it better off than what the Su-57 has. You're coping clearly now.

>>507244151
They said it was a woman pilot, I’m not even kidding.

>>507243583
Don't tell Daddy how to Fuck

(You) know where to return to

>>507249115
you'd hafta get them back from the doc first francis, but until you do keep applying tongue to my asshole since talking shit is all you got...memeflaggot bitch nigger.

>>507249173
It's an ESL brownoid gamer who likes to LARP as a White man.

>>507240327
There is a vid from yesterday night from people watching Iranian military jet taking off where we could distinguish the peculiar cockpit form of the F-14, it was quite nocticeable even tho the video was almost pitch black and taken from affar...
If someone can find it back that would be quite interesting for double checking though...
I'll try to find it again too in the meantime but I already closed the numerous threads from last night...

>>507249648
Where did Iran get f14’s?

>>507249173
Super cruise and altitude matters. Sorry your f35 couldn't cope with high speeds and split in half. Also isn't f35 3X expensive?

>>507249371
Stop whining bro

>>507245253
This is why you are so fucking shit and incompetent at war lol. Fucks sake, learn from the guy who saw combat, don't get him in trouble for seeing combat.

>>507249804
Before the Islamists took over

>>507249057
I still think the YF-22 looked incredible... much nicer than the production version. It still had some of that 80s influence in its lines, before it got tweaked for stealth. Also that pointy canopy is awesome.

>>507247709
What a smooth fuckable sissy hands. You'd make a great pleaser.

>>507249804
Under the shah baby, pre 1979

>>507249804
50 years ago, the US and Iran were friends. Now we can't be friends because of Israel.

>>507250335
>mixes up plural and singular in one sentence
You're a jeet, kek.

>>507242179
This is the same inside-out russian nigger from the other thread. Aim-54 needs beam guidance from the f-14's radar, its internal seeker is useless outside of 10 miles. So an F-14 with its rusty 40 year old mechanical scanned radar, locks onto an F35 from BVR, fires missiles at it that it has to guide in straight in level flight, flying supersonic so its wings are swept back, its putting out a radar cross section AWACS could pick up from 400 miles away. And so for 5 minutes of this missile travel, the F35's RWR is blaring, the jet showing on his augmented reality HMD the exact bearing of the missile, its altitude and speed, and time to impact. Little flick of a hat switch and now the AN/AS-239 slaves over to the bearing of the missile and f-14 and well LA DEE FUCKING DA if it isn't the old AMERICAN made awg-9 radar in that tomcat's nose, and since its a fucking american radar, the frequency and operating ranges are know, and now its getting completely JAMMED OUT THE ASS. Yes believe all this happened you absolute fucking smoothbrain retard

>>507239919 (OP)
>F-35
LOL

>>507239919 (OP)
Tom Cruise showed them how.

>>507250508
My bad. I don't think I enlarged your pic for a full view.

>>507249173
Hey, I bet you could even tell the mm wavelengths, and the cycle times. Gosh, if only we could rile you up you'd probably spill everything you know abuot stealth designs, right out here in the open!

Israel Gutted the US software. And the average IQ of Israel is 94. So good chance they fucked up.

>>507249850
>Super cruise and altitude matters

Like F-104's, F-4's, and F-14's lol

SU-57 is going to be hit by Aim-260's before even knowing what's happening from the RWR once the missles go pitbull lmao.

>>507250624
Should be the default reaction to anything related f35.

>>507246979
>we would be mass producing stealth strike aircraft that are stealthier than the B2
We are mass producing them they're called the F-35
there was also the A-12 (Avenger II not the CIA spyplane) program but that was killed in the post-cold war budget cuts

>>507239919 (OP)
HIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE

>>507239919 (OP)
>a
I heard 2 of em. short f35 stocks that shits gonna tank harder than the rafale did. cant even claim they went down because of pajeet pilots. lmao.

>>507246979
>>507247707

Preach. Tell these subhumans.

>>507250789
>a
>hands
It doesn't matter if you opened it or not.

>>507239919 (OP)
What a time to be alive. Just like in Top Gun 2. The F-14 is still the best hangar queen after all.

>>507247707
Nah you're thinking of the pre-production estimates based on the X-35, the operational planes lower
F-35 has a shielded nozzle, always has

>>507250895
None of them share the altitude or cruising speed. Is you retarded?

>>507251157
Hey hey hey, calm down girl.

>>507242179
Yup, between the "upgrades" israel made, and the 94 IQ i I agree. Also, terrain.
Another option, Iran has been buying from others and making their own upgrades.
Another option, Iran has pulled a Ukraine and put the wrong missile on the right plane.

>>507240327
ahem

>>507251235
W. Cruise taught everyone.

>>507242680
>aren't capable of combat
misnomer. don't have full capability. which is another way of saying, we'll let you know when we can't do anything else, but as we figure out new shit, we're gonna charge you for what used to be lifecycle upgrades...

>>507242907
some guy in Iraq saw an F-16 with a bomber payload. Other than that I've heard it was a lot of drones.

>>507243941
Seawolf class same problem, and the Virginia which is just a smaller detuned version of the Seawolf has been a fucking sterling example of defense procurement. Electric Boat is in rural Connecticut though so lots of high iq educated whites work there.

>>507251716
Rafael is ass. Just like the 35s.

>>507248146
All F-35s have had IRST (EOTS) since the initial block 1 production run. Only the X-35 didn't have it.

>>507242148
The magical Kaaba cube is attacking the jet fighter?!

>>507251634
>embarrassed by his own flag
Kek.

>>507252137
Air to air IRST isn't available in f35. The range of SU 57 IRST is 70 kilometres and F35 has 10-15 kilometres.

Tell me who won.

>>507241546
F22 is quite literally illegal to export it’s so good. It’s straight air superiority unlike the multirole of the f35

>>507240103
You have no idea what's possible, Shekelstein.

>>507248146
Nope, the Su-57 has the main forward AESA array, two small AESA cheek arrays (frankly limited use) collectively known as N036, and a tail warning radar N012 (same model as Su-35). Don't know where you got the idea it has 360 degree coverage.
by "AESA radar detection" I assume you mean RWR, which is the L-150, a system that dates back to the 1980s. Notably its shown issues detecting the PESA MPQ-65 radars that Patriot uses when mounted on other airframes (Su-34 especially). Having trouble with an older generation LPI PESA system is a very bad sign.
F-35 has had the EOTS IR system from the start so dunno why you think it doesn't. Its IR + Optical.
Even the manufacturer doesn't claim better stealth, L band or otherwise, than the F-35.

>>507240103
>impossible
woman pilot, apparently

>>507244283
That gap that you are shilling does not exist. Go look up the AIM-174b - That is a SM-6 missile air launched. It has a range of 250miles. The F-15EX is crazy upgraded and will be able to carry 14 of these nasty little motherfuckers. Guess who is out 100 miles ahead in EMCOM soaking up all the delicious targetting data and transmitting it back to the missile truck f-15s. And those SM-6s are used to shoot down ballistic missiles in fucking space. Total chink death

>>507243328
it's for siphoning money away from the poor to the rich

that's how this works

>>507244673
Stealth is a misnomer. The name of the game is detection range, and F-35 has excellent rcs reduction. So its not invisible, it just sees you about 60 miles before you see it and its already sending AMRAAMs up your asshole

>>507252697
the F-35 that already locked the Su-57 passively at 155km while the Su-57 can't get a lock until sub 50km (70km irst is purely rear aspect whilst in ideal conditions)

>>507251558

I'm saying by you're metrics that because the planes I mentioned have published greater altitude and speeds than F-35(and other newer jets) that they must be superior. Which would absolutely delusional of an argument to make.

My point in all this that F-35 is far from shit and there is a reasons for why that is. SU-57 is a good jet for Russia, and not to be taken lightly. It's just not as advanced and capable as the F-35 when it comes down to it. People have a hard time accepting that. And everyone except that fighter mafia wannabe Sprey(who wanted to put twin gatling guns on f-16s and thought missles were dumb btw) think otherwise.

>>507252869
N036 isn't a single radar. It's a mixture of a system which SU 57 is covered by. It's 4 different system to provide 360 degrees with zero blindspot. Su 57 101 KS-V is a dedicated IRST for superior coverage. F35 doesn't have a good competitor to that.

In these things, I'm a super nerd about it. I know what I'm talking about.

>>507249804
Yeah sry those 3 have already answer quite correctly, even though the parts&maintenance contracts stayed for a few years after the Sha but finally ended and then Iran had to buy parts from black market from inside USA and other counter part sometimes, but the inner USA black market provider has been cracked down hard once it was noticed...
Then Iran was left with manufacturing when possible and mostly cannibalizing parts/spares from other older F-14...
Hence why they only have just a few remaining...
I remember seeing some parked on an airbase whith a few other partly dismantled in a zone close to the taxiways. I can't really remember the name of the base though but it was when GEarth was still fully open/before they started "masking" special zones on request...

PS: Didn't found the vid I was refering to in my previous post yet...
If someone can help that would be cool

>>507250015
>>507250410
>>507250452

>>507253406
>SU-57 is a good jet for Russia, and not to be taken lightly. It's just not as advanced and capable as the F-35 when it comes down to it.

Down to what? Tell me then.

If SU 57 is as mass produced as f35 and f22, it's over for the NATO.

>>507253016
Nah you're thinking of 14 AIM-120 or AIM-260
F-15EX can do 6 AIM-174B, though in practice I'd expect 4. They're too fat for fuselage pylons and two fat for double pylons.
Might see 4 AIM-174 + 6 AIM-120/260 in a similar config to this Hornet

>>507251274
No, the actual F35, go look it up. That's not a shielded nozzle. Lrn2nozzleshield.

Also what needs to be mentioned here is that we don't know exactly how Israel did this strike. It's assumed they used the F35 but this was in tandem with heavy suppression of ground based AA assets by ground teams.

>>507246979
Hey dipshit you do realize the main purpose of the stealth is to take out enemy air defense then fly w/e the fuck you want with impunity at enough altitude. Wild Weasel F-35s in the SEAD role are nasty nasty things. Wild Weasel pilots are fucking psychos too, their job is to get missiles shot at them on purpose. Read Viper Pilot by Dan Hampton. That guy was an absolute G

>>507239919 (OP)
I've done it in ace combat 7, so I bet the fighter pilot known as the "The Djin of Tehran" will be able to do it irl.

This is probably a stupid question but if Iran wants Israel given back to Palestine or whatever how would nuking it help? Then nobody can live there?

>>507250452
:-(

For me it's the F-15E.

>>507254564
You're right, the use of nuclear weapons would be disastrous for all.

Regardless, Iran has the right to defend itself against Israeli and Western aggression. That includes maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent.

>>507253682
Are you thinking of N036L? That isn't a radar in the way you're thinking of. It can't provide target tracking nor target discernment. Its more of a cueing system than anything when used in transmit mode.
Its moreso used as part of the ECM suite.
its also not anywhere close to 360 degrees, very narrow band in elevation as well.

>>507254040

Down the simple fact at the minimum that the F-35 has a superior sensor suite and Radar and will get the first shot(s) off vs an Su-57 before the Felon gets a lock and detection? Or are you really going to try and argue that's not true.

I shouldn't be surprised from a brown who's trying to Google there way through responses and hides their flag tho.

Any other oldschool simniggers in here?

>>507254295
>the main purpose of the stealth is to take out enemy air defense
Not exactly the mission of the F35 and especially not now. Look into the Iraq war then consider that they were using 70's era SAM's at best and now everyone is far more sophisticated. We were using surface to surface missiles for that even back then. B2 is already set to be replaced by the B21 and it's a purpose built bomber for penetration strikes exactly like you mention. It's totally different than the F35, it carries more bombs and is designed completely differently to not be seen from the ground. The F35 is more like an F18 that makes significant trade offs for some stealth capability and VTOL.

>>507240100
Checked & correct
F35 is a turkey plane

Iran will empty their arsenal with little to show for it and Israel will pummel them with impunity.

>>507255346
jane's longbow was tits

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

NO.

>>507253391
You cannot "lock" in passive mode. Before you try to give me some reddit answer, tell me if you went to Fire Control A school or don't bother typing a single letter

>>507254040
>If SU 57 is as mass produced
thats a mighty big if you've got there
Those T-14's will be running over the hohols in no time flat! 2300 by 2020!

>>507255232
Every time you engage with Gadsen Flag, you are talking to a 17 year old war thunder player, who has zero technical knowledge fyi

>>507255828
Kek, I remember when I bought that box at Radio Shack in 1997. I thought "Limited Edition" was something special but it was literally limited... there were no campaigns, just single missions.

Did eventually get the full release though. The DOS version was so much better than Windows.

>>507255317
Listen you stupid low iq faggot

F35 has AN APG-81 AESA radar which is only on front, meaning it's only for forward facing. There's none behind.

N036 has radars on all sides meaning of you're busted you're cooked. Ain't no air to air STEALTH detection of another aircraft on F35 meaning it can't detect stealth ones from other than another F35. It only has air to ground. SU 57 has both.

SU 57 has ECM, RWR, DRFM jamming which would prevent it from sending signals which makes it impossible to intercept.

>Fire first

Try not getting downed with SU 57 L band AESA radar first. F35 will lose 8/10 times against SU 57.

>>507239919 (OP)
can be, but hard to believe.
only time will tell

>>507256425
Why don't you just show flag if you aren't a jeet? Nobody is going to make fun of you for any flag other than a jeet flag. As it stands, you just look like a jeet with your memeflag. Is this what you want?

>>507256261
learning about the jews at an early age, i see

>>507256425
bruh.
>41pbtid
chill.

>>507256611
Funnily enough, I learned even earlier. This was my teacher in elementary school the year he was kicked out. I remember the brainwashed good goy parents picketing in front of the school to get rid of him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Ross_(school_teacher)

Thank you, Mr. Ross.

This is literally Top Gun Maverick shit.

>>507256709
I'm just super mad at the low iq dumbass retards who drinks the CNN koolaid.

For that faggot, no i matter stealth more than to look indian.

>>507255346
My first sim was Silent Service, what a game. This was my first flight sim though and total BANGER

>>507256819
its all so tiresome

>>507255346
I had this

>>507257238
And this. I had shitty dialup so multiplayer was rare but I spent hundreds of hours doing carrier landings

>>507240440
>single engine = bad
Actually it's just the opposite

Multi-engine designs are cope to compensate for their lack of power etc, because they're weaker and can't do the job so the slap in extra ones. Shit adds a lot of extra weight, maintance, etc for doubling your gearbox, raidiators and all of your other powertrain gadgetry, because y'know you've got two or more engines to operate now.

Tldr the single engine is much more powerful and effecient.

>>507257333
>Syrian Girl ®
That account is pure bullshit.

>>507256425
This kid really does think video games are real

>>507255346
Damn I used to have all that shit I collected and I let a woman convince me to throw them away. What a retard I am/was.

>>507257037
A lot of people were ringing the alarm in the 80s and early 90s, it seems. This was my teacher in Jr High when we moved to PEI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki_7_bombings

His motives and ideas were never very clear but he did mention global zionism. In wood shop in grade 8, I made a swastika and my teacher still gave me an A. Things used to be kind of alright.

>>507257499
I know my nigger. F16 is literally perfection. Single engine is super efficient and effective. But f35 failed to monetize it. Single engines are the meta.

>>507257333
>flown by a woman
>an israeli
If I was ever going to believe it even the slightest, that cringe shit killed it for me

>>507257499
BUFF has entered the chat

>>507256819
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Ross_(school_teacher)
Holy based

>>507242794
an f-14 could intercept f-35s easily, they are faster

>>507257333
Czech'd. She needs to update her profile pic. She's getting on the heavy side kekaroo.

>>507255346
My guy, we have to talk about you missing picrel in your shit. NOW.

>>507239919 (OP)
How are those Persian chads still able to fly those things?

>>507239919 (OP)
>shot down an Israeli F-35 fighter jet using an F-14 Tomcat
> theres F-14s that are not only still in service but dunking on modern "stealth" jets with their over the horizon 8 plane targeting
FUCK YEAH

>>507257238
Still playing BMS to this day. I was a tester for FreeFalcon 4 to 5.5 but secretly preferred OpenFalcon.
>>507257436
Classic. I played Korea and OIF a lot.
>>507257642
I lost most of it too, it sucks. The only sim I didn't get was Jane's IAF, kek... although I did wonder if I could get through a campaign by committing fratricide repeatedly. I'm not sure how the campaign was structured.

>>507258043
Don’t get too excited because it probably didn’t happen.

>>507257940
Have it but not the box. I recently began replacing some of the ones I'd lost, finding sealed copies.

>>507257333
>>507257411
Huh Oh...
Got any more of this sauce pls ?
Cause it could well even be a femal"ish" US pilot fighting the ground of Nevada from just a single pic...

>>507240522
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force

Wikipedia says they have 41 F-14. It's a dated airforce for sure but surprisingly good compared to most 3rd world countries.

Of note:
64 f4
38 c130
12 miragef1
24 mig29
17 chengdu f7

>>507257238
Have you seen the new BMS terrain engine?

https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25373/4-38-screenshots/2

>>507257333
>>507257411
Cause even the firefighter looks like American ones given their uniforms though...
PS it appears the ground won the BVR engagement against that F35 though...

>>507257819
Here's his first book:

https://archive.org/details/webofdeceit0000malc/page/n5/mode/2up

>>507258514
wanna see something neat? turn on satellite images https://maps dot app dot goo dot gl/VqM3AMwzK7SAV744A

>>507258736
The ground is undefeated by planes

>>507258075
>The only sim I didn't get was Jane's IAF
It was focus around attacking ships north of the Sinaï peninsula, lots of historical recall during briefings and also you could upgrade your planes based on the number of rafts that were treated...

>>507259252

Any Seapower enjoyers?

>>507240100
su-35 shit's on them all