>>507305354 (OP)
grouped together only through the disbelief of any god. Other than that they vary alot.

sodomites who tend to kill themselves.
Please help by donating 25 cents.

>>507305354 (OP)
Complexity can exist in the real world without the need of an imaginary magic jewish skydaddy being the cause of it.

You have a low IQ.

>>507305529
Christcucks tend to enable jewish power and import rapefugees. Please send them to the gas chambers.

>>507305354 (OP)
Mere happenstance. Pure economic factors.

>>507305354 (OP)
>most advanced machine
>fucking dies if singular windpipe is blocked

It's like the thermal exhaust port of the Death Star kek

>>507305354 (OP)
They are mostly bitter men who feel no connection to divinity, and see no connection between nature and eternity. They never try to understand others. They only seek to dismiss them in favor of their egos and pride.
They don't see the world like we see it, because they are unable to. We are all different, and that's fine, but the fact they purposefully try to misunderstand others and the fact they will not try to understand others makes them insufferable, generally speaking that is.
Temporary matter requires an eternal source, and while man fails to describe said source, making great error when trying, there's definitely 'something' beyond us. There must be a source for anything to exist.
Religious folk can be just as rigid, so I am not excusing anyone, but atheists are much more difficult to deal with on average.

It's funny to me how incapable of complex thought fundies are.

>>507306053
>That's just like S/oy Wars!
wew.... You're an utter faggot.

>>507305354 (OP)
>all seeing all knowing all powerful creator
>creates the recurrent laryngeal nerve
god truly does work in mysterious ways :^)

>>507305755
>>507305755
If your argument boils down to insults and oversimplification, I hate to break it to you, but you’re not debating.

Your diploma from the University of Reddit must’ve cost a fortune

>>507305354 (OP)
Give me empirical evidence an afterlife exists of any sort and I'll gladly partake in religious pursuits.

>>507305529
The difference is that nearly all religious organizations provide off-the-books counseling for their own suicidal congregants. So the 'reported' number of suicidals is inaccurate because it's skewed away from the religious groups. I worked for two years at a crisis center hotline and we had this Catholic seminary guy working for us who demanded any Catholics get routed to him, zero paperwork filed. He would have a priest arrive at the caller's house. Atheists never got that kind of special, secret treatment.

>>507305354 (OP)
They're not as gullible and retarded as you.

>>507305354 (OP)
so why design this? doesn't make sense

>>507306234
>you made me feel bad, therefore your argument is wrong and I will refuse to acknowledge the flaws in my argument

>>507306234
>If your argument boils down to insults and oversimplification,
If you were dumb enough to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, you earned the right to be treated with scorn and derision.

>>507305354 (OP)
who designed the designer

>>507305354 (OP)
If biology is designed then the designer/designers are incompetent.
For example the human eye.
Only incompetent moron would design such a travesry of mistakes.

>>507306093
Do you really believe all that gibberish? You suffered some serious cognitive decline. It must be the strain of falling for all that cognitive dissonance for so long. Good luck in getting that trama to heal.

>>507305354 (OP)
If god is real and good, why are jews allowed?

>>507305354 (OP)
> Mountains exist
> I can't explain how they form naturally
> Therefor a mountain god exists

Atheism is just the disbelief or absence of belief in god(s).

There is no evidence for the existence of gods. There is only evidence of the existence of liars. Yahweh is a false god.

Atheism makes no sense to me
I believe existence itself, the very fact that I am writing this post and you are reading it is proof enough of divine creation and purpose
Athiests seethe over hypocrisy among theists and have valid criticism over their beliefs but at the same time, atheism provides nothing at all for a platform of belief
how do I live and breathe now according to athiests?
>it just kinda happened and if you’re mad about it, kill yourself lol nothing matters
what an absolutely pathetic outlook on life
you call those who believe in God cucks but you yourself have accepted the grandest form of cuckery which is that nothing matters at all and we will always be nothing
I reject this falsehood for again, I see life itself as a gift, and a gift does not come from no one

>>507307614
I grew up Southern Baptist and our pastor was quick to step in when he thought people were having coping issues. Now that I understand the world a lot better, I have no need for infantile security blankets like gods and angels, and no reason to be terrified of wrathful gods or imaginary demons. I guess smart people just grow out of it

>>507305354 (OP)
>this bullshit is back
you guys aren't hunkered in a bunker anymore?

>>507308553
See
>>507308478

> atheism provides nothing at all for a platform of belief

> Mountains exist
> I can't explain how they form naturally
> Therefor a mountain god exists
> Atheist: "Not knowing how mountains form is not evidence of of a mountain god. All available evidence indicates a possible natural source"
> atheism provides nothing at all for a platform of belief
> Therefor believe in the mountain God anyways.

>>507308263
We can't make a better one.

>>507306118
You're not a perfect machine. Creation isn't infallible. Fuck you.

>>507308553
>atheism provides nothing at all for a platform of belief
They are not competing systems. They are not the same. It's shocking that beliebers always fail to grasp this simple notion.

>the grandest form of cuckery which is that nothing matters at all and we will always be nothing
If your IQ was north of 40, you'd know that nihilism has nothing to do not believing in any gods.

But while we're talking about it, if you had to put a number on it, what would you say is the percent of importance of your ((( afterlfe ))) compared to your Earthly life
20% / 80% - afterlife / Earthly?
80% / 20% - afterlife / Earthly?
Some other ratio?

>>507308795
I am not talking about mountains fool, I am talking about the very concept of reality itself
If God does not exist then why does anything at all exist?
Why would the entire cosmos be there if something didn’t intend for it?
You call it a lack of explanation leading to assumption but athiesm itself is an assumption, a defeatist one that simplifies how intricate and unfathomable our very existence is into nothing more than a random outcome of possibility
I reject this notion that all existence is the happenstance of random outcomes, and you are a fool if you accept it

>>507309024
red herring arguments, I don’t care
come back to me when athiesm provides any meaningful insight into life

>>507305354 (OP)
They don't believe that gods are real.

>>507305354 (OP)
>don't believe in god(s)
It's a pretty simple concept.

>>507309159
> I am not talking about mountains fool, I am talking about the very concept of reality itself

Reality is created by nature. All available evidence indicates this. Absolutely zero evidence of god(s).

> If God does not exist then why does anything at all exist?

Multiple competing theories. It's very possible the quantum foam (an eternal quantum fluctuation field) generated matter and energy from what we currently understand as "nothing" and, due to the absence of significant matter and energy present in "nothing" it expanded violently in the Big Bang.

The quantum foam has been tested and observed in a variety of ways. The quantum foam contains zero point energy, which is a baseline energy that "nothing" generates completely outside of thermodynamic interference.

> Why would the entire cosmos be there if something didn’t intend for it?
Why would a mountain be here? Nature doesn't need intent.

> You call it a lack of explanation leading to assumption but athiesm itself is an assumption
I don't believe in unicorns for the same reason I don't believe in god(s). Why should I assume unicorns and god(s) exist?

> I reject this notion that all existence is the happenstance of random outcomes, and you are a fool if you accept it

There is no evidence for the existence of god(s). There is only evidence for the existence of liars.

Yahweh is a false god. We know his evolutionary history as a mythical god as people changed him through time until he became the god you worship. Your god is no mystery to atheists, we KNOW he is fiction.

>>507309159
>Why would the entire cosmos be there if something didn’t intend for it?
All of humanity can only survive on a thin sliver of crust on the surface of the Earth. Even with our technology, the entire cosmos is extremely hostile to our species. If it was ((( intended ))) for us, it is an abject failure of the greatest magnitude.

>I reject this notion that all existence is the happenstance of random outcomes
And yet here we are, the product of L-shaped mean old acids that form naturally under a variety of conditions. Of the thousands of gods that never really were, only yours is the special one. The odds are seriously not in your favor.

>>507306093
atheism is a phase that every boy passes at the age of 14. Thats literally it, you grow out of it and stop talking about it altogether

>>507309806
you claim to know my God which is another assumption of yours
athiests claim to know so much, which is why I reject their beliefs
humans know very little, I remain humble in this knowledge, I admit I have no proof beyond the fact we breathe and think for why there is a God
at the same time, I believe you fail to see how meaningful our very existence is
you claim science has all these answers but fail to mention that there is no proof of macro evolution, the big bang has many contradictory flaws in its theory, and that to me is a belief system just as flawed as any theism
ignore the flaws, ignore the conditions, accept the beliefs anyways
is that not your very own criticism of religion?

>>507309806
>Why should I assume unicorns and god(s) exist?

This is where theists whip out their Gödels
>A1 Either a property or a negation is positive, but not both
>A2 A property necessarily implied by a positive property is positive
>T1 Positive properties are possibly exemplified
>D1 A unicorn-like being possesses positive properties
>A3 The property of being unicorn-like is positive
>C Possibly, unicorn exist
>A4 Positive properties are necessarily positive
>D2 An essence of an individual is a property possessed by it and necessarily implying any of its properties
>T2 Being unicorn-like is an essence of any unicorn-like being
>D3 Necessary existence of an individual is the necessary exemplification of all its essences
>A5 Necessary existence is a positive property
>T3 Necessarily unicorn exist

>>507309971
the universe is hostile yet despite the odds we are here, to me that is proof of a God and intent, to you it is just a random occurrence
reflect on that line of thinking
that is my hope for all athiests
you accept such a sad outlook on something that is truly incredible

>>507305755
I like religion for what it's worth but this is true.

>most advanced machine is human

Bruh, there's like worms that has more complex genetic code than humans.

Praise worm Jesus.

>>507310582
>the universe is hostile yet despite the odds we are here, to me that is proof of a God and intent, to you it is just a random occurrence
You accept that the universe is something around 12 billion years old has around 1 trillion galaxies with around1 trillion stars per galaxy?

Odds might be low, but excluding the logic that we are here so it must not be zero, that's a lot of chances for intelligent question asking life to ask questions about the universe.

>>507308803
Not yet. But we can design better.
The human eye is one of the things I would fix with genetic editing in the future.

>>507305354 (OP)
god you christ-cuckolds are dumb

>>507305354 (OP)
>Redpill me on atheists

Exoteric Talmudery. Of course there's no 'g-d', you killed Him, idiots.

>>507306234
You’re literally a low iq subhuman. I feel sorry for you

>>507306234
>So what that Iike to eat shit? You insult me, but you don't explain why eating shit is bad.
That's what you sound like, anon

>>507307798
Agreed. The problem of pain/evil imo is the sledgehammer argument against religions with an omnipotent deity. All the theodicy I've seen is jaw dropping levels of cope and mental gymnastics.

>>507305354 (OP)
Only approximately 0.01% of atheists are actual atheists and you’ll never hear a word out of them because it has ruined their lives.

All of the rest are merely teenage boy level posers trying to signal that they’re better than you because their lack of faith makes them braver, or less deluded, or some other shite that makes them think they have value.
Or otherwise they’re just politically anti-religious in the fashion of left wing kikes, where they just want to see their enemy groups stripped of faith in the hope that it hurts them.
And then finally there’s the real bottom of the barrel midwits who are atheists because mommy and daddy said he should stop masturbating for ten minutes and that was unacceptable to him so he chose atheism so he could continue being a degenerate.

>>507308263
What mistakes anon? I’m not a christcuck

>>507311083
We can't bring the old god back but we can make a new one believe it or not

The most complex things necessarily have no designer because then who would design them?
For example, modern AI is only possible through a process where it basically designs itself incrementally.

>>507305354 (OP)
Godtards grimly refuse to apply their own watchmaker rule to their own favourite god bcoz inconvenient. Kek. *godtards*

>>507310381
> you claim to know my God which is another assumption of yours

It certainly sounds like you worship Yahweh, do you not? Either way, there is no evidence for the existence of any god(s).

> no proof of macro evolution
False.

We've seen numerous cases of separating populations causing genetic and phenotypical changes to evolve to differing environments.

For example:
Dogs, and all domesticated animals, are considered different species from their parent species as they have been altered genetically to such an extent that they have become genetically distinct from wolves.

The anole lizard experiment showed that after a few generations, the lizards evolved different shaped bodies and internal organs and changed their diets radically when living on different islands with different environments.

The same thing happens to fish in lakes, as genetic variance and adaptation has also been discovered.

The creation of a new species of a new bacteria species originating from E.coli:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sLAQvEH-M

> the big bang has many contradictory flaws in its theory

Such as?
The Big Bang has high explanatory power for the present evidence such as:

The Comic Background Microwave Radiation emanating from a single point.

The Hubble Constant of drifting galaxies, drifting from a single point.

> is that not your very own criticism of religion?

Science does not claim to know all things, that is your own ignorance showing. Science is merely a discipline to learn about nature. The scientific method helps us to find evidence. And the rational principles of science tell us that nothing can be called "truth" it can only be considered "falsified" or "not yet falsified." Science does not intend to know truth, but to merely seek it out, as no human can ever know when they have attained truth.

>>507305354 (OP)
This would be compelling if there wasn't a well understood mechanism observed numerous times in different contexts that can produce extreme complexity without conscious direction

>>507311168
For example the blood vessels and nerves going over the light sensitive cells.
Imagine designing a digital camera where the wiring goes over the image sensor.

>>507310381
>athiests claim to know so much, which is why I reject their beliefs
There are no claims associated with atheism. It is simply the lack of belief in any gods.

>I have no proof beyond the fact we breathe and think for why there is a God
We breathe and think. No gods, required.

>at the same time, I believe you fail to see how meaningful our very existence is
This is why we laugh at you. The evidence proves our existence on this Earth is all we have. Once the brain dies, the conscious has nowhere to go. There's no evidence that it glides on magic carpets through the seven gates of heaven or whatever. If you believe you conscious continues on in some kind of after life, then that split diminishes what you have here. That's your existential nihilism.
For the non-believer this life is the most precious because it is the only life.

>you claim science has all these answers
Not believing in any gods has nothing to do with any unrelated maths or science. Disbelief is just disbelief. You attack science because your ability to discern between fact and fiction is eroded by decades of cognitive dissonance. Yet my disbelief remains intact and you look foolish rejecting science.

>the big bang has many contradictory flaws in its theory,
A perfect example. A theory arrived at by the scientific method is sound and reasonable, because it is based on evidence, analysis, challenge and acceptance. And it's always a one-way ratchet - supernatural explanations are replaced by scientific ones, never the other way around.

>>507309806
I guess I'm supposed to believe that lightning hit a pond and somehow just randomly assembled DNA, with 1Mb of chemically encoded data that was just correct to completely describe a single celled organism and all the processes sit needs to sustain life, then all the organs of the cell, the cell wall, nucleus, microtubules, ribosomes, etc all just formed randomly around it perfectly in a series of millions, billions, if not orders of magnitudes more of chemical reactions perfectly in series and here we are.

>>507305354 (OP)
The human body is not even that complex compared to other life forms, even plants.
And why would its designer be some Semitic desert cult God instead of any other god? Can't nature exist by itself? Why does it need a human-like creator to justify its existence?

>I am all knowing and all powerful
>I knew things before I knew I would know them
>I invented reality for some reason and plopped two people into a paradise
>Told them not to eat from this specific tree
>Know the female will
>Know how she will do it and why before I even thought of creating the universe
>Get mad when she does it anyway
>Cast them both out onto Earth for some reason, despite me knowing that evil got into my paradise and doing nothing about it.
>Knew this was gonna happen before I knew I was gonna think of it because I know everything
>Lot's of incest happens to build up humanity but remember, incest is a sin
>Thousands of years pass and other gods exist, some even older than me but if you dare worship them, you're going to the nono zone forever!
>What is the nono zone? Depends on who you ask.
>Oh, shit! Humanity has sinned a fuck ton, but I knew about it before humanity existed!
>Better send a piece of myself down to a random ass desert so I, a all knowing and all powerful being, can understand my creations and forgive them on sin.
>I created and defined sin by the way, since I created everything, and am all knowing and all powerful.
>Sure, I could poof the sin away, since I am all knowing and all powerful, but.....uhhhhhh

>>507305354 (OP)
We just don't believe in a god or gods.

Simple as.

>>507311545
> I guess I'm supposed to believe that lightning hit a pond and somehow just randomly assembled DNA

No. DNA, RNA, amino acids, proteins, fatty acids (and fatty acid membranes), and a few basic enzymes, have been discovered to be able to form in primordial type soups without the aid of lightning. Only small amounts of heat is needed to allow the chemicals to react.

There are many competing theories of abiogenesis. We do not know how life first started, and we may never know, but that's okay. Not knowing how life started does not mean god(s) exist.

Meanwhile, we know the evolutionary history of the false god Yahweh.

>>507306053
just like muh le hecking space operinos
I say this and sound like this.

>>507305354 (OP)
>no designer
Correct. Just emergence though simple rules.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiBYjvyojQ

>>507310582
>to you it is just a random occurrence
When you flip a quarter, it flies up in the air - random - flipping over and over - random - starts falling back down - still random - and finally it lands.

Tails.

No more random. All the random is gone. The probability of tails went from .5 during the random phase to a rock-solid 1 after it landed.

That's us today. No more randomness. Of all the possibilities and probabilities, this one panned out. Rock solid 1. Just accept it.

>you accept such a sad outlook
Ha, you lie about us, we tell the truth about you. Who's sad? We live rent-free in OP's head. What a miserable shithole that place is.

>>507311161
>Only approximately 0.01% of atheists are actual atheists
Liars are known for making up statistics on the spot. The rest of your post says a lot more about you than us.

>>507311910
>No. DNA, RNA,
>able to form in primordial type soups
Yeah, I don't think so.

>>507308423
You'd rather attempt to dismiss me rather than understand me.That tells me what you are lacking. Intellect enough to reason from anothers' standpoint.
I notice you point at nothing in particular. instead you mindlessly dismiss everything because it goes against your specific worldview.
>>507310164
I wish it were true for everyone. Some enter states of arrested development for various reasons, and it sticks. It is what it is.

>>507311545
>I guess I'm supposed to believe
Accept science, if you're smart. Reject science, then type on your little computer device like a hypocrite.

>>507308263
>>507310879
this desu, and the knee

>>507305354 (OP)
Atheists just can’t comprehend that our language is not anywhere near complex enough to describe the universe. The word God means something different to everyone. Most atheists think of god as an omnipotent ruler, having human like qualities and constructing the universe. They fail to understand that the underlying unity and connection in everything is pretty damning evidence of an intelligent universe.

>>507305354 (OP)
1. Wrong. The most advanced would be aliens.
2. Nature is the designer. But we don't know for what purpose.

>>507308263
>>507312688
Yeah, and they say we were made in God's image, yet somehow god is perfect, well, if he's like us, then he's obviously not perfect.

It's all nonsense.

>>507312691
>The word God means something different to everyone.
Then it has lost its meaning and the mission of religions to force everyone to believe in the same gods failed.

>>507311374
>> the big bang has many contradictory flaws in its theory
>Such as?
While we can plot the positions of everything backwards in time to a point and find lots of evidence that everything was in the same location questions like why and how are still questions we don't have great answers for.
Those aren't contradictions or flaws but until we learn a lot more or maybe we won't ever learn enough, our understanding of the laws and rules completely breakdown at a singularity point when values become infinite so predictions become less confident than our understanding that everything was in the same starting time and place.

>>507312691
>The word God means something different to everyone.
Then it is a terrible word because words and language are supposed to convey information.
>They fail to understand that the underlying unity and connection in everything is pretty damning evidence of an intelligent universe.
How?

>>507312691
The last resort of the hopeless is playing word games to dodge that they are full of shit.

If you believe in skydaddy, then the chances that you are brown/low IQ are very high.
Simple as.

>>507312691
>*hits blunt*
>Bro, Yahweh is like everything bro. You can't like explain it dude.
>Woah bro so deep

>>507305354 (OP)
Language breaks intellect.

I have never detected God with any sense or intuition. I have no reason to believe in a god

>>507312282
There's been many successful experiments regarding the formation of RNA and RNA's evolution into larger coding/mechanical parts.

https://www.wired.com/2009/05/ribonucleotides/#:~:text=%22Remarkably%2C%20it%20transformed%20into%20the,Aliens%20Might%20Share%20DNA%20Roots

>>507305354 (OP)
I wish I could still believe in magic and fairy tales like when I was a dumb little kid. I was much happier then.

Unfortunately, self-delusion is not one of my talents.

>>507312854
So you wrote all of that to end up agreeing with me. Why?

>>507308803
Yes we can. Your average phone has a better, more accurate camera than the human eye, and as a bonus point lacks blindspots alltogether.

>>507305354 (OP)
Atheism is for autistic soulless humans.
Agnostic is for the intelligence.

>>507312845
The word God can have many meanings. Just like the word “love” or “truth” means different things in different contexts. The fact that people interpret it differently doesn’t invalidate the concept.

>>507313202
Intelligence isn’t everything, if you think thats the only factor for human life than you’re truly too autistic to function with society.

>>507313440
DNA wouldn't form primordially, it's the product of simpler chemistry. I think that was the point he wasn't clearly making.

>>507306093
peak pseud

>>507309159
>If God does not exist then why does anything at all exist?
This retarded line of questioning can always be extended to god itself.
Universe can exist without any observable reason just fine, and we humans do not have to be center of existence for our lives to have meaning, because meaning is ultimately a subjective notion about one's life.

>>507313519
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive!
You can be an agnostic atheist. In fact most atheists ARE agnostic atheists.

>>507313519
If you do not currently believe in god(s), then you are an atheist, whether you're agnostic or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

>>507313606
Here's a great video from the good old days of Youtube. Sure it's about abiogenesis but a lot of it is about how genetic code could have arisen through chemistry and thermodynamics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

>>507313483
Just to be accurate in the understanding that we still have questions about the universe that we don't have very good answers for today.

>>507313606
We don't yet know how DNA formed abiogenically (possible that RNA based lifeforms mutated DNA into existence).

That said, the Miller-Urey experiment, conducted in 1952, provided evidence that organic molecules, including some building blocks of DNA and RNA, could be formed from inorganic compounds under conditions thought to exist on early Earth. This experiment supported the idea of abiogenesis, the theory that life arose from non-living matter. While the experiment didn't create DNA or RNA directly, it demonstrated the potential for the spontaneous formation of their essential components.

It's not like there wasn't more than enough biological material floating about to get things rolling for both RNA and DNA.

>>507313647
You have no argument, and instead use name-calling as a substitute.
You're projecting, and it shows. Sorry I upset you, but it's what I've experienced from both your people, past and present, and religious people too.
You're both unwilling to actually think, and instead you default towards a rigid set of beliefs which are entirely incompatible with reality.

>>507313884
I believe that is obvious and I have not said anything contrary to this.

>>507305460
fpbp, that's really all there is to it.
Atheists range from the most based people alive to the most degenerate scum.

>>507313440
You don't even know what you're posting. They claim to have synthesized nucleotides, that's not DNA, RNA or anything even remotely, remotely close. Also what hey don't tell you in these articles is that the conditions which they did it. It's just like the Miller-Urey experiment where they claimed to synthesize amino acids (none of which are used by any living thing) but they could only do it in an oxygen free environment but oxygen is necessary to form ozone to prevent solar radiation from breaking apart the molecules or killing any life, it's absurd. Tl:dr; There is such an insanely endlessly long series of things required for life to randomly have formed it isn't even worth discussing and nobody can even come remotely close even under ideal lab conditions or by any method. Try guessing a sequence of DNA that works let alone trying to form it.

>>507312983
>How?
The universe runs on consistent, interconnected laws. That kind of order suggests structure, and maybe even intention.

>>507313892
The dishonest theist will point to DNA and scream about how it's too complex to have just formed by chance. Which is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
But DNA can form from non DNA which is what they would be dishonest about not saying.

>>507310763
No it is not.
Mexico-New Spain was the most fanatical catholic nation and the second best at making Jewish Barbecues with the Novohispanic Inquisition.

Thr ProtestantCücks (especially Evangelicals) are the ones sucking Juden cock

>>507313606
>it's the product of simpler chemistry
It's the most complicated molecule that exists by a very wide margin.

>>507314132
So essentially gravity and magnetism exists, therefore theism?

>>507313978
>I believe that is obvious and I have not said anything contrary to this.
You asked 'Such as' in context of the claim that the Big Bang Theory has contradictory flaws. My answer wasn't contradictory flaws, or even flaws but theists will quickly point to an unknown as flaw rather than just something to be discovered.

>>507313678
That makes no sense

>>507313696
Depends what’s your definition of god, by god do you mean abrahamic religions? Than no. I don’t

>>507314221
>It's the most complicated molecule that exists by a very wide margin.
How do you define and rate that complexity?
Oil is a fucking nightmare of possible hydrocarbon chains with possible combinations of loops and paring that are expressed in powers in the range of 10^24 combinations for just one subtype of hydrocarbon structure.

>>507305354 (OP)
The only unforgivable sin is rejection of the Holy Spirit. Atheism is the greatest sin, worse than murder.

>>507313915
>You have no argument,
>wants a logical argument
>about a made up thing
lmaoing too hard, good luck boyo

>>507305354 (OP)

>>507314414
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_straight-chain_alkanes

I remembered my numbers wrong and was comically low on the possible combinations.

C99H200 n-nonanonacontane has 4.28427290059784×10^45 possible combinations.

>>507314543
It is, why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybsSqcB7mE

>>507314366
Makes perfect sense.
I'm an agnostic atheist.
I don't believe in a god but I don't claim to know if one exists or not.

>>507314469
Point at what made up thing you're referring to in my post. Can you do that? If not, you have no claim.

>>507314129
Ribonucleotides are the molecular building blocks of RNA, they naturally snap together to form RNA strands.

Also, this experiment showed RNA strands that can form and self-replicate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2024/03/09/origin-of-life-rna-world/

>>507314627

>>507314230
Coherent structure, mathematical precision, emergent complexity… if that doesn’t at least suggest intelligence, what would?

>>507314394
God(s) are all gods, not just Yahweh. Yahwism is just one group of cults.

>>507314414
DNA is so complicated that it's length goes far beyond the molecular scale, it's 6 feet long.

>>507314660
religion is not real my guy, not any more than dumbo, mickey mouse, and allah/jew-jew god

>>507305354 (OP)
This is the absolute furthest thing from a machine. It violates every basic principle of engineering. Biology is completely illegible through the lens of "design". The fact that you have to come up with an infinitely intelligent, omnipotent designer to explain this "design" in and of itself refutes your worldview.

>>507314813
Where and when did I mention religion? Are you learning disabled, or having a difficult time with English?
I criticized religious folk, but I am not religious myself,a t least not in the way you're implying.
For me to say there's a source for mater does not claim to speak for said source, or attempt to define it.
Temporary matter requires an eternal source. Man may not be able to define it, but it must exist for our universe to exist.
Without an eternal pool of energy to draw from, temporary matter could not exist.

>>507314675
oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen are the building blocks of DNA also. Being able to form some beleived precursors to a 6 foot long molecule doesn't mean you can form it and nobody has ever demonstrated RNA or DNA self synthesis in a lab. Nobody has any idea how DNA formed.

>>507305354 (OP)

well, technically, doesn't evolution theory preach that we are the result of numerous creators? As in there were plenty of failed experiments that ultimately led to our present form?

>>507314775
This is a very interesting video on theories relating to DNA. https://old.bitchute.com/video/0mSrxvyOfMJJ/

>>507315034
> Hurr durr, therefor god(s) exist

Or maybe the evidence more strongly points to a natural cause. Know RNA forms naturally, as I've shown in previous posts, and scientists have even shown how they can self-replicate abiogenically. The point is not if they can grow to 6 feet long. The point is just to show that the evidence is clearly more on the side of abiogenesis and not god(s).

I suppose once scientists find a way to biogenically create the first cell the next cope from theists will be:
> But that cell didn't turn into a human in six days, therefor my God(s) did it.

>>507308478
>Atheism is just the disbelief or absence of belief in god(s).
Nice atheist dogma. Any proof of this claim?

>>507305354 (OP)
The answer to "Who built humanity?" is so ironic. What led us here wasn't purely the materialistic world, neither was it purely the spiritual world. Both were needed.

>>507314610
>alkanes
Kek it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. A stand of DNA has on the order of 10^11 atoms or something.

>>507315345
>the evidence more strongly points
Inherently and purely subjective determination.

>a natural cause
Completely vacuous phrase.

>>507315345
No evidence points to a natural cause, if life spontaneously came into existence then replicate it. Where is all the junk DNA near hydrothermal vents or otherwise?

>>507315430
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
"a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods"

>>507314697
>scorpions survive just fine
>frogs survive just fine
>kangaroos survive just fine
>turtles survive just fine
What do you think evolution is?

>>507315623
Argument from dictionary fallacy. Try again.

>>507305354 (OP)
Complicated and advanced do not mean the same thing. We proved complicated things can have low probability with the weasel program

>>507315602
>No evidence points to a natural cause, if life spontaneously came into existence then replicate it.
So you'd rather believe it was dude in the sky snapping his fingers and making life because he wanted to?

>>507305354 (OP)
>Top geneticists and evolutionary scientists
christian
>top biblical scholars
athiests/agnostics or faggot apologetics

>>507315591
> Inherently and purely subjective determination.

If a sports team A won five goals, and sports team B won zero, then it is fair to say that sports team A is ahead in the game.

In the case of abiogenesis, not only is the no evidence for the existence of god(s) to begin with, but we know things like RNA, fatty acid chains (and membrane), many enzymes, etc. can form abiogenically. And even experiments showing how RNA strands can form and self-replicate in abiogenic conditions as I linked to previously.

If you want points to indicate that "god(s) created life" then you should state some now, because abiogenesis is winning fairly strong right now.

>>507315602
> No evidence points to a natural cause
RNA forming spontaneously is certainly evidence, whether you like it or not.

> if life spontaneously came into existence then replicate it
We don't know how yet.

> Where is all the junk DNA near hydrothermal vents or otherwise?

Destroyed by natural processes. Maybe some is preserved and we haven't found it yet though.

Not knowing everything is not supporting your claim that god(s) exist or created life. Just as not knowing how a mountain forms means a mountain god exists.

>>507315878
>So you'd rather believe it was dude in the sky snapping his fingers and making life because he wanted to?
Some kind of intelligence is responsible for it. It's fairly self-evident and cutting edge science is also converging on this conclusion. The only real debate is what kind of intelligence. Banana Man atheism is dead.

>>507316027
>RNA forming spontaneously is certainly evidence
Is this a bot? This never happened.

>> if life spontaneously came into existence then replicate it
>We don't know how yet.
?????? Don't stay up too late past your bedtime, champ.

>>507314698
I don't know, but none of those things require intelligent design to me when evolution answers the question just fine. Things can grow in mathematical fractals because that happens to be the most efficient way for that life form to propagate and over time that efficient structure outcompeted less efficient structures.

>>507315708
I see no reason to think that this dictionary definition is wrong. It's the definition that I and practically all atheists I have ever met use.

The purpose of a dictionary is to reflect the common use and understanding of words in society.

Do you have a different definition that you think better reflects what society defines atheism as?

>>507316027
This is schizobabble. Feel free to explain, concretely, what objective standards were used to determine what the evidence "more strongly points to" and what objective basis those standards are derived from. Protip: you won't.

>>507306234
There's no debate to be had.
There's no way to actually seriously debate that there really is a deity that created the universe and that that deity is, in particular, Yahweh.

Any attempts to do so results in circular logic or appeals to emotion.
There's no way to actually debate it because there is zero evidence. Because it's folklore. Yahweh is no more real than Teutates or Odin or Poseidon or Jupiter.

Now maybe it makes your peepee hard when you see cringe atheists and based christfags on the net, but sadly, that doesn't make it any more real.

I think there's nothing more pathetic in the world than someone who pretends to convert to a religion to look cool on the internet. Didja buy a little cross to put on your wall?

>>507316146
>X is just Y because dictionary says so
Fallacy.
>X is just Y because atheists agree
Fallacy.
>the dictionary decides that X is just Y because its purpose is to reflect common usage
Fallacy.
>the dictionary has a purpose therefore it fulfills that purpose
Fallacy.

You have profound mental retardation.

>>507316126
I already linked to you showing the abiogenic formation of ribonucleotides (RNA components).

>>507316128
I agree that evolution does explain a lot about how life develops. But my point isn’t just about biology. It’s about the fact that evolution, physics, and math all operate through consistent, elegant rules in the first place. Why do things follow patterns at all? Why are the rules so stable and precise that we can build entire sciences around them? It feels less like chaos and more like code.

>>507316161
> what objective standards were used to determine what the evidence "more strongly points to"

ZERO evidence for the existence of god(s)

Positive evidence for the formation of critical components necessary for life have been observed to form in abiogenic conditions, including RNA, amino acids, proteins, fatty acids (and membranes), enzymes, etc.

The theist side has ZERO evidence, the atheist side has plenty and growing.

You can debate on strength, but you can't debate on presence. Because there is, presently, no evidence of God(s), and there is present evidence of abiogenic formation of biological components.

First you have to define God. For me God means like all of it. I think we are all connected in some incomprehensible sense. I don't pretend to understand it. But I've had some very real and spiritual experiences that have lead me to this conclusion. I think there are layers of consciousness. I think we are all part of the divine God that is everything but with limited perception. And why I don't know. I used to be an atheist. Then Satanist. Than agnostic. Now Im mostly Christian but it's way more complicated than what religion depicts. I think religion is just a way to try help us to understand spiritual truths in a way we can comprehend through allegory.

As far as empirical evidence look into near death experience and the commonalities reported. Its hard to measure non physical things with physical limitations and physical instruments. I encourage you to look into the secret teachings of all ages by manly p Hall. Read more Plato and Pythagoras. Do a large dose of LSD. Breakthrough on DMT and tell me there isn't more to this than the physical plane of existence we are experiencing. DMT I thought would give me a lot of answers but it left me with a lot more questions.80

>>507316672
Notice how I correctly predicted your inability and refusal to outline any objective standards nor explain the objective basis behind them. Notice how you are forced to reiterate irrelevant, preprogrammed talking points that don't make sense in the context of our exchange. It's almost like you're a mindless automaton like the rest of your cult. :^)

>>507305354 (OP)
Hasn't life existed for over 500 million years? That's a long ass time to start from single cell organisms to what we have now. Most people can barely even conceptualize what happened 10 years ago.

>>507305354 (OP)
People have no idea just how advanced. It's literally limitless. Just take the pineal gland for example, it's a modem to connect to the cosmic web.
The elites version of reality is like a cheap Chinese product from the 80s.

>>507316296
Why do you have a donkey on your memeflag?
(Maybe I should ask your mom when I next fuck her.)

>>507316342
Do you have a different definition that you think better reflects what society defines atheism as?

You can argue about fallacies until you're blue in the face, but those are all informal fallacies, meaning they aren't inherently right or wrong as they are contextually based.

For example: If someone suggested that you should follow your medical doctors advice because he's a specialist in the field an argument from authority? It can be argued either way, because informal logic is not rigorous.

>>507316786
> Notice how I correctly predicted your inability and refusal to outline any objective standards

The mere presence of these pieces of evidence is objective.

What other objective standard do you have in mind other than physical evidence?

>>507315688
A fairy tale so faggots can claim there is no God to punish their faggot faggotry like the faggotry rampant in Sweden, you Swedefaggot

>>507316672

I have Rh- blood and you're a worthless and disgusting crapmonkey

>>507316907
>those are all informal fallacies
No, those are formal fallacies.

>meaning they aren't inherently right or wrong as they are contextually based.
... but regardless, this is a pants-on-head retarded statement that shows you don't understand the words and phrases you shit out.

>>507305354 (OP)
Most of them are just an updated saulstian. They both believe that we are all equals and united in yahweh/so-yence, that opposition to their dogma is evil, and they both believe in entirely jewish myths.

>>507316660
>Why do things follow patterns at all?
Because the conditions are the same?
>Why are the rules so stable and precise that we can build entire sciences around them? It feels less like chaos and more like code.
I'm not entire sure what you're arguing. Are you saying that "if I stub my toe once it hurts, and if I stub it a second time it also hurts instead of having a completely different random outcome like transforming my toe into a marble that defies gravity, why is there such consistency between repeated events?" I don't think that is a satisfying argument in favor of theism, but I have another question for you. Let's say we agree that the complexity and state of the universe is some evidence or even proof of theism: then what? How do you go from "gravity behaves very consistently whenever we observe it" to "this person claims he has a direct connection to the creator of the universe and he declares that no man shall eat fish on Thursdays"? Even if you grant the first premise of a complex, designed universe how does that get you any closer to organized religion?

>>507316996
>The mere presence of these pieces of evidence is objective.
Another incoherent talking point that doesn't make sense in the context of the exchange. Try again? Do you even understand what you were asked to provide?

>>507305354 (OP)
If advanced beings necessarily require a designer, who designed the designer?

>>507316342
>Fallacy
Fallacy
See the fallacy fallacy

>>507317171
Why did literally nothing explode and suddenly create the entire universe? Do you actually believe your furthest ancestor was a puddle that turned into a monkey? Both atheists and saulstians are jewish retards who pretend to have the explanation to everything by just making up stupid shit and calling you a heretic if you question it.

>>507317109
>I'm not entire sure what you're arguing
Western science has its roots in the concept of the Divine Logos, going all the way back to the Ancient Greeks.

>>507317241
>fallacy fallacy
Would have been if I tried to argue that this mongoloid is wrong just because everything he spouts is a fallacy. But I actually didn't. :^)

Christianity was invented for the same reason Communism was invented: deracinate whites from their ancestors and make them obedient to a formless entity (God/State) and easy prey to future subversions.
Christianity was such a successful subversion, that people (especially Americans) believe civilization wouldn't exist without it.

>>507317036
You are out of your depth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_logic

Informal logic specifically negates strong statements of fact as a matter of axiomatic principle. Anyone can use informal logic to declare anything both a fallacy or a sound and valid argument. This is why moot debates focus on informal logic, not because it's designed to arrive at facts, but to find who is the most persuasive, and why teams in moot debates are given random subjects and random positions. Informal logic can be used in any position and subject as equally winnable, what matters is who puts on the most persuasive show to the judge/audience.

Informal logic is all about persuasion and theater. This is also why it attracts midwits like you.

>>507317473
They apply the bullshit morality angle to history

>>507317036
Just define what magic special meaning of Atheist you are talking about.

>>507317171
A common question from the Smartass Guide to being an Atheist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

>>507317308
Your point being?

>>507317281
This nothing creating something is observed empirically you dimwit. Random fluctuatioms creation and annihilation of matter and antimatter is empirically proven.
Unlike existence of somekind of mysterious power that created everything and was only talking to small bunch of people without any scientific knowledge thousands of years ago just to be quiet today.

The universe is infinite and no one will ever know what happens when we die. That's proof of God.

>>507317488
Not reading your post.

>the dictionary defines X as Y
>therefore X is just Y

This argument has an invalid form. It's an invalid deduction. It's a formal fallacy. Same thing for the rest of your reasoning.

Anyway, I accept your concession that "atheism is just the lack of belief in Gods" is just self-refuting atheist dogma.

>>507317109
I’m not arguing that gravity’s consistency means we should go to church or follow commandments. I’m pointing out that the universe runs on stable, elegant laws. You can’t just brush that off with “conditions are the same.” Why are the conditions so stable to begin with? Why is the universe mathematical at all? I’m not saying “because physics exists, religion is true.” I’m saying the order, structure, and nature of the universe raises a legitimate question about whether intelligence might be behind it.

>>507317777
I said that "atheism is the disbelief or absence of belief in god(s)"

You requested a source that says the same, so I gave you a dictionary source which said the same thing.

I then asked you for your definition, a definition that you think better fits what society thinks atheism means. You have failed to provide any definition.

No one will ever know where we came from, what is a spirit or soul or consciousness and where, when, how, why any of it exists. Will humans ever explore the universe, is there any other creature like us? Think of all the things that are proven facts, how few of those there actually are, and the obvious limit on our ability and capacity to have any knowledge of the most important mysteries in our reality. It's all by design, God's plan. We could never comprehend the answers. We will never know them while we live on earth.

>>507305354 (OP)
>perfect machine
>except for that skin at the end of the penis
>oops
make up your mind kikes.

>>507317741
That he takes the world's intelligibility to be evidence of the divine and he's not alone in that. The entire Western intellectual tradition, starting from antiquity and going all the way up to modern science, is founded upon that premise. You take that intelligibility for granted, as most simple people do, but humanity's most intelligent thinkers found it remarkable enough to justify involving the divine.

>>507317962
>I’m saying the order, structure, and nature of the universe raises a legitimate question about whether intelligence might be behind it.
Which makes me ask "ok, now what?" because what we end up with is are claims that are both unproveable and unfalsifiable. Arguments about atheism and religion don't tend to be about whether the world is complex or not because both parties tend to agree on what, they tend to be more about the rules and morals that stem for religion and what I'm saying is that your appeal to complexity still gets us nowhere closer to a religion. OK, we're accepting that the world is complex and we can think about why that is and if there's something behind it, but we can't prove anything so we're back to square 1.

>>507305354 (OP)
>Be me
>Little godling working in an agency designing creatures for proper gods to populate their realities with
>Team is working on this "human" project for a while now
>Release date is very close
>In the next round of testing discover that the male version is infertile
>What the fuck?
>Start troubleshooting
>Discover that sperm goes dead at above 36 degrees
>You somehow missed the memo that the natural temperature in the design document is almost 37, not just 36.
>Fuck!
>Brainstorm a solution, but there's very little time
>Ultimately end up just putting the scrotum outside the body. It's a retarded workaround but whatever.
>At least it is more elegant than other parts of this abomination
>Eating and breathing with the same hole, what the fuck. And then the junior just tied the communication to the same fucking hole. Fucking AIIIEAEIIAEIrs they are always just DEI hires.\
>The KNEE! The fucking KNEEE!
>Some testing shows it can be allergic to ITSELF, in some cases the immune system will kill the whole organism if it smells pollen.
>Whatever, not your problem. You are not the best creature designer agency across all realities - but at least you are cheap.

>>507318040
>I said that "atheism is the disbelief or absence of belief in god(s)"
>You requested a source that says the same, so I gave you a dictionary source which said the same thing.
In other words:

>the dictionary defines X as Y
>therefore X is just Y

This argument has an invalid form. It's an invalid deduction. It's a formal fallacy. Same thing for the rest of your reasoning.

Anyway, I accept your concession that "atheism is just the lack of belief in Gods" is just self-refuting atheist dogma.

>>507305354 (OP)
Still waiting for the edgy atheist comic to say one fucking word about the Tal-Mud or the Koran. Especially during their holy days like they've done to Christians my whole life.

>>507305354 (OP)
>God doesn't exist
>By the way the universe came from nothing
Perpetual trapped in teenage rebellion faggots

>>507318182
>what we end up with is are claims that are both unproveable and unfalsifiable
You mean like the very idea that the universe follows any laws?

>>507318138
Being able to understand the world around you is still not proof of the divine, even if you claim some prominent thinkers make that connection.
>>507318345
Like the idea that atheists can't disprove gods and theists can't prove them

>>507317962
The universe does not run of physical laws. Humans just describe them as such, many physical laws have been falsified in the past, and many of them that we have today are false (but we still treat them with respect due to their explanatory power).

The law of thermodynamics is broken by the quantum foam. The ideal gas law is fundamentally broken. The speed of light is changing slowly. Gravity is a force and thus inconsistent by definition as mass determines gravity and different types of mass exert different gravity formations. The laws of conservation of matter and energy are also violated by the quantum foam which created and destroy energy and matter from nothing.

> Why is the universe mathematical at all?

It's not. Math is just a language humans use to describe things. Most of the time, our math does NOT work with physical observations. Because our math needs to incorporate empirically testable variable to reach some degree of soundness. The universe is as mathematical as having one rock and having another rock is 2 rocks. It's a description, nothing more.

> I’m saying the order, structure, and nature of the universe raises a legitimate question about whether intelligence might be behind it.

Do you also believe in the possibility of a mountain god because mountain formation is complex? Probably not, because you were not raised in a culture that worships a mountain god. Instead you worship gods like Yahweh and thus when it comes to things that Yahweh claims to have made then it become a question of debate to you if nature created the universe or Yahweh.

>>507318182
Fair point. I’m not claiming it proves anything in the religious sense. I’m just saying it matters that the universe is not only complex, but intelligently structured.

>>507318504
What other conclusion is there to make when you find out that humanity will never be able to answer those questions? That we don't know the beginning or the end?

>>507318504
>Being able to understand the world around you is still not proof of the divine
Sure. But observing patterns and being able to predict some things some of the time is not proof that the universe follows any laws. Do you see the problem?

>>507318195
The dictionary, in this case appears to accurately reflect what society believes "atheism" is defined as.

Do you have your own definition? What reason do you have to think that the factionary is wrong about the definition of the word "atheism"?

> Doctor define medical condition as X and treatment Y
> Therefore X is treated with Y

Is there a problem with this logic? You could claim it's all based on authority. But a doctors authority is usually fairly sound. The same is true with the dictionary I provided, it's a reputable source of definitions.

>>507318537
Kekt at how far this discussion is going over your head. Stick to regurgitating Amazing Atheist talking points and quoting dictionary definitions.

>>507318729
>The dictionary, in this case appears to accurately reflect what society believes "atheism" is defined as.
Proof? Also, who cares what "society believes"? I didn't ask you any questions about what "society believes".

>>507305354 (OP)
>most advanced machine on earth
>dies because mutated cells have the ability to grow unchecked into a tumor as they simultaneously prevent the body from removing them and get new blood vessels to grow to sustain the tumor
>literally the only way to stop it is literal poison or blasting it with radiation

intelligent design lmao.

>>507306118
Debate the point that was made you insufferable faggot

>>507305755
Aliens created humans , simple as

God is the beginning and the end, God is the "missing piece" of humanity's understanding of our reality. It's the only thing that makes sense.

>>507318537
You’re offering descriptions, not explanations. Saying “laws change” or “math is human” doesn’t answer why anything follows rules in the first place. Why is there any structure at all? Why does anything hold together? You’re describing the map, I’m asking why there’s even a landscape.

>>507318847
>abuse the body
>get sick
>blame god

>>507318812
A word understood by one person, is a useless word. Words must share meaning across society in order for that word to have a practical use.

Do you have a better definition for the word "atheism" that society uses or do you just want to make up definitions that no one else uses?

>>507318655
Sure, some things seem to be impossible to know for sure and that's fine.
>>507318678
As far as I know, whenever we observe things like gravity, magnetism and electricity it behaves in incredibly predictable ways, so predictable in fact that we can make designs around it behaving in a certain way. While this not might be ultimate, 100% consistent proof that is ALWAYS behaves this way as if it was an unwritten, invisible law of the universe it seems to be consistent enough to be useful for us. I'm not sure what our disagreement is here, unless it's some semantic argument about proof and universal laws?

>most advanced machine on earth
>produces mentally retarded offspring if you reproduce with someone genetically similar

I agree with the moral standards and know the book itself says there's a lot more to learn. Could compare it to knowing an investment has a good chance of paying off and in the meanwhile, you're not giving up everything pleasant for it.
I am a bit confused by the people saying God exists yet using words like "idiot" and more extreme. Mildness? Patience? Speak kindly? I guess there are those who believe God exists but just don't care, and that makes the least sense of all. Granted, looking at things through the lens of imperfection, types like that make sense too.

>>507310832

Worms basically can only live in a very specific environment, worms cannot walk around in the sunlight all day like we can.
We are the more advanced creation with more complex genetics..

>>507318194
>New reports from production came in
>Asking if we can fix some annoying bugs
>Someone messed up a function and now teeth regenerate only once instead of growing back every time one has a problem. There are also 2 teeth that are unused and just hide inside tissue. That's from the time the team was going back and forth with the customer on mouth configuration.
>Apex sentient predator does not posess the best eyesight seeing the most wavelengths. That's not a bug, we just went with a cheap design.
>Appatently putting the shitting, pissing and fucking systems in the same area lead to problems. Who the fuck knew.
>The DNA bugs out on the regular.
>Oh fuck this is a big one. Poor creature essentially has a lifespan now. Fuuck that's a problem. Somebody messed up big with the cell replication framework.
>Ultimately management makes a deal with the customer it and tells us to move on to the next project. No hotfixes.
>You don't envy the "humans".

>>507318956
>society thinks X is defined as Y therefore the de facto meaning of X is Y
I like how you literally can't shit out a single post without fallacious reasoning.

>>507314366
You really don't understand the difference between belief and knowledge?

>>507318957
It's not fine, not knowing the answers to these mysteries is the reason, the force, everything it is to be human. Everything we do is to answer them, all we search for is our reason for being, our beginning and our end.

>>507319127
>Everything we do is to answer them
But you said yourself that we never will be able to answer them?

>>507319181
Yes because we can't comprehend until we meet God again.

It must be boring to live in Moldova
But hey at least you have God on your mind

>>507318955
>cancer only happens if you abuse the body
lmao
you can get skin cancer from a normal exposure to sunlight. even if you live the most healthy life, eat only unprocessed foods, live away from pollution, never smoke, don't expose yourself to harmful substances, it's ultimately a game of luck because "god's intelligent design" is so retarded it can't deal with a mass of corrupted cells. the fact that I can't manually activate my immune system to target a tumor just by thinking about it shows that your "intelligent design" theory is bullshit. Dying because your automated immune system can't deal with a problem that you KNOW is currently killing you is fucking retarded no matter how you look at it.
>inb4 hurrr god wanted us to suffer!
cope, dilate and sneed you fucking schizo.

>>507306093
Very articulate and based post, anon.Dont ever let someone cause you to doubt your faith

~If there is something, then we know there was never nothing. This is because it is impossible to go from nothing to something.
It's impossible because, in order to go from nothing to something, you would need to exist before you existed to cause yourself to come into being. That is of course impossible, so from this, we establish that because there is something, there has in the past NEVER truly been nothing in this world.

Now if there has never been nothing, then it logically follows that there must have always been something. This "eternal something" necessarily also must be uncreated. This is because if the eternal something was created and had an origin, then before that origin it wasn't there, which would mean there was a point before which where there was nothing - and remember, there can never in the past have been nothing, and so for an eternal something to be eternally something, it necessarily must have never been created.

This uncreated eternal something, also known as a necessary being is what we call God

>>507319244
How do you know this?

If god is omnipotent he is a fucking asshole and not worthy of my respect.
If we were created by beings that are not omnipotent then they are no better than us, and thus not inherently worthy of my respect.

Why should I worship something that hasn't earned my respect?
My bet is we exist purely as a side effect inside some elaborate physics simulation.
We don't matter, they don't matter.

>>507318957
>seems to be consistent enough to be useful
Well, that's nice, grug. Very practical. But it doesn't really fly when you're trying to lay the intellectual foundations of your civilization's natural philosophy is what I'm saying. Why seek rhyme and reason in the universe, unless you believe there is rhyme and reason to be found, beyond circumstantial happenstance? And why should there by rhyme and reason, anyway? And if it is there, why should it be intelligible to humans?

>AND MAKE THAT GUY BE BORN AS AN AUTISTIC RETARD
Yeah I'm just not going to believe in a higher power, sorry.
If something created us, it was aliens with their own unexplained creation myths who promptly abandoned us.

>>507319322
I should add, religion is useful for keeping normie sheep in line. I'd even argue it's necessary.

>>507311545

http://www.mattox.com/genome/

>>507319259
>you can get skin cancer from a normal exposure to sunlight. even if you live the most healthy life, eat only unprocessed foods, live away from pollution, never smoke, don't expose yourself to harmful substances,
I'm sure you have some solid proof for this assertion. Right?

>>507319313
Because I do. Just like I know the universe is infinite and humanity will never find our beginning or end.

>>507318938
This is currently unknown. But there are some decent theories out there.

For example, the total energy of the universe, when you account for matter and energy and anti-matter and dark matter is equal to almost exactly zero. Meaning our universe might have been started by the equivalent energy of a static shock that you get when you rub your feet on carpet. This is possible because the quantum foam creates and destroy energy constantly. It's possible that when in a wide enough vacuum the quantum foam can, by apparent randomness, reach a critical perturbance and create a cascading flow of energy and matter which can be extremely violent (Big Bang). Now that the universe is full of stuff, the quantum foam, while still observable, can not reach a critical perturbance.

The quantum foam even has the ability to absorb and destroy light from far away sources (such as quasars). Suggesting that the total energy absorption capacity of the quantum foam is greater than the universe itself. Meaning it's very possible and easy for the quantum foam to create universes when just the right statistical probabilities are met.

>>507318847
>hey look, one guy in India is born with 3 legs, heh ,what a shitty design are humans

You do realize that most humans don't have cancer unless they are very old or eat toxic slop and smoke/drink all their life?
>inb4 skin cancer
How many cases? and who gets it? faggot travelers from northern regions who had very little sun for thousands of years with zero need to increase the melanin production in their bodies. If you're some Irish ginger fuck and travel to Dubai to get a tan, it's not my problem if u get cancer. Take care of your body, humans are not indestructible you microcephalic genius. And cancer is not cured with radiation or poison, that's just 20/21st century stupidity to scam you out of money.

>>507313519
>Agnostic is for the intelligence.
Lol and relligion is for pussies who are scared to death with imaginary cock and ball torture who eats led and molest little childern for a living, retarded asf go fucking catch your afterlife, wear maga hat in BLM protest or something . do you want me to help you in killing your self departement?

>>507319398
>you can get skin cancer from a normal exposure to sunlight
Look up what country has the highest skin cancer rates.

>>507319081
Do you have a better definition for atheism? I bet you can't answer this.

>>507319558
>Look up what country has the highest skin cancer rates.
Unless it's one where humanity lives under its natural conditions, his point is null and void.

atheists believe that religion doesn't exist, or that it didn't exist for a good reason; primarily because they aren't educated in any religion.

>it doesn't make sense for this to randomly work
>therefore, some sandnigger story from 2000 years ago must be right, because that's not random at all

>be benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god
>gives an innocent 4 yo child leukemia
>force her to suffer through chemotherapy
>make her believe she's gonna live through it
>kill her anyway

why????

did the innocent child deserve it?
is the child being tested by dying before having experienced a meaningful part of the human experience?
is the child being used as a mere tool to punish/test their parents?

never mind all that shit, the fact that christkeks either ignore or come up with convoluted copes as to why their supposed benevolent god would do something like that says everything there is to know about this retarded religion.

Is there a God? Maybe. I don't know. I'm no atheist, I just admit I don't know. Religious tards laugh at this, but the truth is being able to admit you just don't know is a very hard for grown adults to do when it comes to religion. I don't know if there's a God or not. But it doesn't seem like it. All I know for certain is that it DEFINITELY isn't the jewish skydaddy /pol/ christkeks believe in. That version of a God is simply impossible by its very definition. IF there is a God, it does not care about humans, doesn't know about humans or actively hates humans. The latter being the worst possible option.

>>507319328
>Well, that's nice, grug. Very practical. But it doesn't really fly when you're trying to lay the intellectual foundations of your civilization's natural philosophy is what I'm saying
But it does, the modern scientific method is based on observation and being able to repeat experiments to verify results, and this hinges on chemistry and physics behaving consistently.
>Why seek rhyme and reason in the universe, unless you believe there is rhyme and reason to be found, beyond circumstantial happenstance?
I think my time on this earth will be better and more enjoyable if I have a good mindset about my existence.
>And why should there by rhyme and reason, anyway? And if it is there, why should it be intelligible to humans?
I imagine if there was a god that created this world and humans then the world should be understandable by humans, no? Or did the creator intentionally create a world that will inevitably be full of confusion? Not that we'll ever know.
>>507319408
>Because I do.
Ok, as long as you understand that that reasoning is wholly unconvincing to everyone around you.

>>507319558
So white british/irish migrants who moved to a place that was not designed for them 1-2hundred years ago

>>507319646
This is a dumb argument. Do you have to stufy Islam to know that it's a backwards religion?

>>507319753
>Ok, as long as you understand that that reasoning is wholly unconvincing to everyone around you.
Is the universe finite or infinite?

>>507319646
They believe god is a rock or particle, whatever caused the big bang. Very very cringe. And very very reddit tier belief system. Also, cognitive dissonance is very cringe to be experiencing as a man. Like be gracious in your wrong assumptions and then adopt the correct ones. Dont sit there and try to argue w/ cold hard facts and truths. It's very beta, feminine amd cringe. Thread is filled w/ cognitive dissonance

>>507319829
I don't know.

>>507319567
I'm an empiricist and as far as I'm concerned "atheism" is the word people use to refer to the mindset of self-proclaimed atheists, which goes a little beyond "lack of belief". Your cult simply hides behind the dictionary, the same way feminists do when they point to the dictionary to "prove" that feminism is "just" a belief in equal rights for women, in a futile attempt to pretend that normal people share your insane ideology.

>>507306234
faith requires one to throw logic and reason out the window. it cannot be "debated" for or against for this reason, so the only prudent and entertaining course of action is to fling shit at it because its adherents are fucking retards.

>>507319899
how could it be finite? It's impossible for nothing to exist.

>>507319731
Back of the line, kiddo. You are a certified npc. . .theres beens 1,000's just like you before and there will be more after. Your 'effort, GOTCHA post' falls flat when its been tried and tried and tried before, just to immediately get btfo

>>507305354 (OP)
religious tards have a disconnect between reality and their imagination, yes it's complex, and yes it's a product of life, but it's also something that evolve for hundreds of millions of years, that's a human and any other life-form on earth, more or less.
Agnostism > Atheism > Religious-tards > Marxists.
That's who it goes, haters gonna hate.
There's a design, but it's preset on the code of life, it has nothing to do with the creator itself, he allow it to happen more or less, that's about it.
You religious tards are just too low IQ to understand anything, is not even worth talking with you, you're almost a door like marxists, but a little bit more life into it, so a golem more often than not.

>>507319959
Something being finite doesn't mean nothing exists. A cheeseburger has finite proportions but can still exist.
>>507319918
>I'm an empiricist and as far as I'm concerned "atheism" is the word people use to refer to the mindset of self-proclaimed atheists, which goes a little beyond "lack of belief"
Can you come up with a description of this mindset that perfectly encapsulates every single atheist?

>>507319731
"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." - 1 John 5:19

So either by Satan tricking Adam and Eve to disobey god and be cast away from God's grace and thus becoming degenerate (both mentally and physically) or by Satan's continued intervention in human affairs, all bad things including, but not limited to, poor health can be attributed to Satan.

> But why?

It can be claimed that God needs to show humanity what happens when they leave God's grace. Their experience out of God's grace will thus teach them not to leave when God brings humanity back from the brink.

>>507305354 (OP)
Who made god then? faggot. It's gotta top out somewhere. Somewhere up the chain some supremely intricate thing popped into existence without a creator. If God's creator can do it, why can't humans?

>>507320027
Godcuck arguments:
-Ignore everything I don't like
-Oversimplify the hundreds of arguments against me
-Don't even attempt to debate them
-God did it

>>507319500
I’m not knocking quantum models they’re interesting. But all of this still rests on a deeper structure that allows these probabilities and rules to function. That’s what I’m pointing at. If that part doesn’t matter to you, fair enough, but it’s where the real question lives.

>>507319918
So you got nothing. Play again next time.

>>507320174
Proving the existence of God in one post, here-

~If there is something, then we know there was never nothing. This is because it is impossible to go from nothing to something.
It's impossible because, in order to go from nothing to something, you would need to exist before you existed to cause yourself to come into being. That is of course impossible, so from this, we establish that because there is something, there has in the past NEVER truly been nothing in this world.

Now if there has never been nothing, then it logically follows that there must have always been something. This "eternal something" necessarily also must be uncreated. This is because if the eternal something was created and had an origin, then before that origin it wasn't there, which would mean there was a point before which where there was nothing - and remember, there can never in the past have been nothing, and so for an eternal something to be eternally something, it necessarily must have never been created.

This uncreated eternal something, also known as a necessary being is what we call God

>>507318253
The quran doesn't need to be argued against, it's utterly vile on writing quality alone, and arabs are hated because they behave like arabs, islam is a non-subject. Same for jews, and the talmud doesn't pretend to be holy knowledge, it's just rabbis endlessly pilpuling one another. Only saulstianity is a parasite that infected us, same as jews are the only race to parasite us. Aryans don't fear enemies, we crush those easily, we fear parasites, because they profit off our compassion.

>>507319753
>the modern scientific method is based on ...
... based on what I told you it's based on. I tried to illustrate why it is so, but it's lost on you.

>I imagine if there was a god that created this world and humans then the world should be understandable by humans, no? Or did the creator intentionally create a world that will inevitably be full of confusion? Not that we'll ever know.
Ok, that's like a basic and watered-down version of the idea behind Divine Logos but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

>>507319398
The fact that you can get skin cancer on the bottom of your fucking feet or near your asshole lmao. When was the last time you had a sunburn on the bottom of your feet anon? How about your asshole? Do you do perineum sunning?

Radiation damages DNA. You are bombarded with radiation even at night. It's called background radiation. Some comes from outer space, some comes from rocks in the ground. Even with the best possible conditions it's a game of luck. According to your retarded religion God put humanity on this planet, so what part of "intelligent design" doesn't put countermeasures in place for a disease that's ultimately a game of luck due to the natural habitat we live in? Why doesn't God mention that literal fucking rocks might give you cancer if you're near them?

Oh, right, your retarded book doesn't mention the spicy rocks does it? I mean yeah lmao must be kinda hard to know about something that requires advanced scientific tools that don't exist yet when you're writing your fictional story. A thousand year old scam and retards still fall for it to this day because you can't accept the fact that you just don't know what the fuck happens when you die lmao.

>>507320226
>Play again next time
Sure, next time you shart out your atheist dogma I will once again ask you what it's based on and watch you fail in exactly the same way because you peaked in the Amazing Atheist era and stopped intellectually developing soon after. kek

>>507320027
And yet you haven't refuted a single point I made yourself... interesting.

>>507320174
Respond quickly to>>507320229 like you've been doing to every other comment ITT

>>507320375
Your picrel always make the saulstians seethe to an endless degree.

>>507320203
It's a question of science, not theology. Unfortunately neither may be able to answer.

If it turns out that the quantum foam was, in any way, responsible for the creation of this universe than it's very unlikely we'll ever know more beyond this because the quantum foam functions down to the planck scale, meaning no measuring device that we can conceive of in our current use of matter and energy will even have the ability to interact with it beyond this level. Essentially, the origin is untouchable (for now).

I didn't realize so many here were religious, damn.

I gotta ask, anyone here of the belief that non-believers or those without any faith are going to hell?

>>507320106
>Can you come up with a description of this mindset that perfectly encapsulates every single atheist?
No and I don't need to. It's like you don't understand the implications of the word 'empiricism'.

>>507320027
Abrahamist argument:
>this Jewish book says it

>>507320229
> If there is something, then we know there was never nothing. This is because it is impossible to go from nothing to something.

The quantum foam can create and destroy matter and energy from what we understand as "nothing."

The mere concept of "nothing" is a human fiction. Nature may very well consider "nothingness" to be something with its own unique properties.

>>507320229
>something must have been the first thing, let's call it "god"
>now let me cut off your foreskin, god said so!

>>507320248
>... based on what I told you it's based on. I tried to illustrate why it is so, but it's lost on you.
I thought you tried to argue that you can't have a good intellectual foundation for natural philosophy without a belief in the divine and my argument is that the modern scientific method requires no such thing. But I'm guessing you're going to say "intelligibility of this world is proof of the (Christian) God" so a secular scientific method is indirectly entirely dependent on religion anyway, or what is your point?
>>507320557
Just define the word then. What is atheism?

>>507320330
It's based on my understanding of atheism as an atheist. I only gave you a source because you asked for one. You got butt hurt because the source corroborated by definition.

Deal with it faggot. You still haven't provided an alternative definition because you got nothing.

>>507319274
My faith? In what exactly?
I see logic for a substrate. An eternal source for all temporal matter in the universe.
>~If there is something, then we know there was never nothing.
Emanationism states this, but there are forms of logic which state it's not true, and I respect that, but, it's unknown.
> you would need to exist before you existed
All potential for pattern and frequency always existed, and so it could be said the soul is a kind of frequency, and the physical body would be like a radio receiver.
When the radio is broken, and before the radio was built, there is a signal.
>it necessarily must have never been created.
It's always being created, and destroyed, but there is a source without a location, sitting as potential behind every point in the universe.
Some call it "The Ether". Some call it "Quantum Foam". It's the substrate from which all phenomena arises from and returns to.
There is a source.
>is what we call God
I think God would exist beyond the eternal source, but it too would be part of the creation, in that analogy.
What exists, exists. What we know is limited. Our logic, your logic, the other guys' logic. None of it may be correct entirely, but, there's something counter to reality as we know it. Limitless potential? God? Likely something, but I don't know what waits.
I like and appreciate your post, even if we have different perspectives relating to the universe, its origins and ultimate nature.

>>507320507
I pray for grace and mercy and do not assume any soul's place in life or death. Only God knows.

>>507320322
Sorry, what? I'm still waiting for all that data about how actual, proper humans get cancer on their asshole from sun exposure under natural conditions. All I'm seeing is your "common knowledge" about what happens to dysgenic golem cattle living artificially prolonged lives in polluted hellholes. :^(

>>507320229
Okay you proved the Deist god exists, now do The Christian God. I'll wait.

>>507320229
>This uncreated eternal something, also known as a necessary being is what we call God
>Source: my ass

>>507320375
I simply replied to you regarding your disbelief that there is a God who created evrrything. The rest of your post is more geared towards emotional aspects, which im not the best qualified to be an ambassador for. I don't know, brotha. Life is hard and bad things happen, but these are the times where we can cling to the Lord, its a time to show the angels and everyone around your love for God. Because once your in eternity and in our new bodies, it will no longer be hard to love God. But to love God in this life when everything is going against you is truly authentic, and it marvels the angels. So for me personally, the world will see that no matter what comes against me, i will love God

>>507320501
Fair enough, maybe we’ll never measure the origin directly. But it doesn’t make the question meaningless. We ask unanswerable questions all the time: What is consciousness? Why is there something rather than nothing? Not everything has to be testable to be worth thinking about.

>>507319918
>”atheism” is the word people use to refer to the mindset of self-proclaimed atheists, which goes a little beyond “lack of belief”.
Which word do “people” use to refer to the humans who lack belief in god(s) then?

>>507320771
Replication errors can cause cancer, even with otherwise perfectly healthy conditions. Replication errors are a statistical chance that can happen to anyone. Not to mention some genes code for cancer and can be expressed when exposed to certain normal conditions or to just reaching a certain age.

>>507320714
>I thought you tried to argue that you can't have a good intellectual foundation for natural philosophy without a belief in the divine and my argument is that the modern scientific method requires no such thing.
You're not "arguing" anything. You're just in denial about the actual history of science.

>I'm guessing you're going to say "intelligibility of this world is proof of the (Christian) God" so a secular scientific method is indirectly entirely dependent on religion anyway, or what is your point?
All I'm saying is that atheism undermines the intellectual foundations of the science it pretends to champion. And this is just one of many examples of it doing that. Atheism is anti-science through and through.

>Just define the word then. What is atheism?
Atheism is the mindset associated with atheists.

>>507320106
Do you agree that it's impossible for nothing to exist? Is that an absolute fact, one of the very few, of our reality?
>>507320229
As this anon says, that's proof of God.
>>507320620
Since we're the observers of our reality our concept of nothing is all that exists.

>>507320883
>Which word do “people” use to refer to the humans who lack belief in god(s) then?
Which word do people use to refer to humans who lack a belief in anything else? The only reason you need a special word for it is that your cult needs a name.

>>507320990
can you define atheism without using the word atheism or atheist?

>>507320507
An all powerful God can and did preserve His word. It states very clearly that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. Choosing to ignore this after it's been shared w/ you somehow, is the same as rejecting Christ and what He did for (You) personally on the cross. You can not enter the kindom of Heaven if you've rejected the Kimg. Not just the King, but the King who layd down His life to show you how much He loves and cares for you.

>>507320771
Literally 30 seconds to find. Surely you could have looked it up yourself if you weren't so deep in denial lmao.
https://www.henryford.com/blog/2022/04/skin-cancer-in-unlikely-places

>>507320634
Well by definition. . . .that is God

>>507305354 (OP)
>Advanced
Gets varicose veins when standing, hemorrhoids when sitting and bedsores when lying down, eat little and get malnutrition, eat a lot and get obesity or ulcers, get cirrhosis or kidney failure when drinking. Very easily injured bones and skin. Barely has a life expectancy. Prone to illness. Easily loses his mind as gets older, gradually loses his hearing and sight. Unable to smell or sense vibrations in the ground like animals

Are you serious? Human is the shittiest creature that can be made

>>507320990
>You're not "arguing" anything. You're just in denial about the actual history of science.
Sounds like you're just in denial of that fact that I made a good rebuttal.
>All I'm saying is that atheism undermines the intellectual foundations of the science it pretends to champion. And this is just one of many examples of it doing that. Atheism is anti-science through and through.
How does not believing in gods make you anti-scientific?
>Atheism is the mindset associated with atheists.
What is an atheist and what is mindset of an atheist? Bonus points if you can respond without dodging the question or making a reference back to atheism.

>>507321088
>american reading comprehension
Nice job, 51st state.

>>507321004
> Since we're the observers of our reality our concept of nothing is all that exists.

Nature doesn't care about what your concept of nothing is.

Nature has shown us that our concept of
"nothing" is flawed right from the start.

>>507321064
>can you define atheism without using the word atheism or atheist?
No. Why do I need to?

>>507321129
if you define the unmoved mover as "god", then by definition it's god
no religion actually worships the unmoved mover, most religious people worship yahweh. I'm agnostic to the idea of the unmoved mover, and atheistic to religious conceptions of god.

>>507320739
Yeah, my bad. I only read the first part of your post before i replied. You're very articulate and it's a refreshing read when scrolling through arguments. I believe you will find God. You seem to be in search for answers. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I pray you find Jesus and accept Him.

>>507321218
because you can't define something by itself. That's a circular definition

>>507320848
>I simply replied to you regarding your disbelief that there is a God who created evrrything
I never claimed there was no such thing as a creator deity. I'm able to admit I don't know. The only thing I do know for a fact is that YOUR god, as described by YOUR bible, doesn't exist.

Atheists are people who can't live with their sins so they discard everything that defines good and bad.

>>507320825
I just proved God. It's up to you to figure out who your creator is. A real creator will answer when called. False ones can be called on all day and leave you in silence. The God that is your creator will respond if you seek Him. I cant imagine not wanting to have a relationship with my creator

>>507321176
>I made a good rebuttal.
Denying the history of science is not a rebuttal. It's just typical atheist ignorance and vacuity.

>How does not believing in gods make you anti-scientific?
Quote the part where I said "not believing in gods" makes you anti-scientific.

>What is an atheist
Someone with an atheist mindset.

>what is mindset of an atheist?
I'm too lazy to provide such zoological portraits right now.

>>507321367
>because you can't define something by itself. That's a circular definition
I didn't define it by itself. Are you literally retarded?

>>507320835
Thats kinda science, bud

>>507321477
you said "atheism is what an atheist believes" which is true, but it's not a definition

>>507320970
>Replication errors can cause cancer, even with otherwise perfectly healthy conditions.
Cool story. Where's the data?

>>507321477
>>507321367

This Moldovan is retarded.

>>507321526
>it's not a definition
Sure it is. Why not?

>>507321545
>'atheist' and 'atheism' are the same word
Eugenics when?

>>507321567
because it doesn't give the meaning of the word atheism
you aren't explaining what you mean by atheism
intentionally

>>507321179
>muh reading comprehension!!!
Kill yourself. Your argument that skin cancer doesn't happen in areas where the sun don't shine was utterly BTFO and this is your pathetic attempt at a cope. Since you seem to have poor memory, here is how this conversation has gone so far:

I point out that "intelligent design" isn't intelligent if some random disease spawned entirely from your own body can kill you
>abuse the body
I argue that you don't have to abuse the body to get cancer
>UHHHHHH SOURCE???????
I point out the fact that you can get skin cancer in places where sun doesn't shine
>UHHHHH YOU STILL HAVEN'T POSTED SOURCE!!!!!
I then post a source for my claim
>HURRRRR READING COMPREHENSION!!!!111

>>507305354 (OP)
The same designer who designed God.

>>507321545
All of them are retarded. Comes with being slavshit rapebabies.

atheism
>a - theo - ism
>not - god - ism
so not believing in god(s). It's not that hard

>>507321628
>because it doesn't give the meaning of the word atheism
It literally does, though. It just doesn't characterize them or their ideology because that is beyond the scope of a definition as far as I'm concerned.

>>507321482
Source?

>>507321420
>A real creator will answer when called
>False ones can be called on all day and leave you in silence
LMAO

>>507321375
But you're wrong, bro. Jesus very much existed. In fact He's one of the most well documented people in history. Not one historian believes Jesus DID NOT exist. Its 2025 because of Jesus. The only thing that is debated, is whether He's the son of God. Which of course He is. Just the seethe and character of the ppl that that seeth, when Jesus is brought up should be enough evidence for any 100iq+ that He is the son of God. Thats a real bad hill to die on

>>507321727
I'm sure I'll regret this, but can you define "atheist"?

>>507321683
I guess calling themselves godless heretics wouldn't have sounded so cool.

>>507321666
>>507321727

God DAMN

You know Moldovans are terminally retarded when even Romania is dunking on Moldovans.

>>507321629
>Your argument that skin cancer doesn't happen in areas where the sun don't shine
Are you hearing voices? You seem very agitated and confused. Get help?

>>507321299 Digits checked.
Oh, I do that too sometimes. It's okay. Also, I meant if there's a substrate of limitless energy sitting counter to the visible universe, God would be further beyond that. I would guess that at least.
Also, you're very well articulated yourself, Anon. thank you.
I tried praying to Jesus Christ before, several times. I felt nothing, and it felt wrong to pray to a Man, even if said man was God incarnate. I tried Prayed to God, to source directly, and felt a deep connection. I feel this strong, definite connection to this day. I still pray to God, although I know I cannot define God, and ultimately religion is Mankind's word on God. So I am very cautious to trust those words, written by the hand of man.
there's something greater than us, but, I think if God wants us to know, God will show us a way.
I cannot say I have faith in God in the same way you do.
I believe in a source. I know God exists, but, I know my struggles are my own here. that is jsut how it is.
It's said "God helps those who help themselves". My faith could be said to rest in those words, but it is not a blind faith in words or commands, but an active faith in the union of god and self. Not in a blasphemous or arrogant way, but a calm, humble connection.
I hope we all know the truth one day.
Love you brother.

>>507321266
K

>>507321758
jesus isn't even close to the most documented person in history, we don't have any contemporary first hand evidence of him at all, all the writing on him started decades after his death, and for many more decades it was purely religious. Not a single contemporary letter, image, sculpture, or anything else.
the most documented person in history is chris-chan, the second is hitler.

>>507321797
I tried *praying to God

Oh so many typos.
Nearly 2am

>>507315034
>Nobody has any idea how DNA formed.
But that's wrong, retard. People have plenty of ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world

>>507321175
>waaahhh I can't eat poison or do extreme things and survive in pristine condition? what a shitty creation the human body is .
>Barely has a life expectancy
Literally the second longest in the mammal world.

Some people are too stupid to insult..

>>507321762
There's a certain belief system/pattern of thought, the characterization of which is way beyond the scope of a definition, that is called 'atheism'. 'Atheists' are the people who exhibit it. Or you can go the other way around. It doesn't matter.

>>507322116
"a certain system of belief" is a pretty unclear definition for atheism

>>507321797
Yes, we pray to God, and Christians pray to God 'in Jesus name w/ the holy spirit being the mediator.
>and ultimately religion is Mankind's word on God. So I am very cautious to trust those words, written by the hand of man.
If you write a paper, do you say 'you wrote that paper' or ' the pen wrote that paper'.
God wrote the Bible and used man as His pen. Something a all powerful creator could very much do.
>I cannot say I have faith in God in the same way you do.
I believe in a source. I know God exists, but, I know my struggles are my own here. that is jsut how it is.
Jesus Himself says the faith of a mustard seed is all thats needed and He will do the rest.
Love you too, brotha. Will be praying for you

>>507321758
Outside of the Bible. All writers that wrote about Jesus were born decades after Jesus died and write about Jesus many decades after they were born. They claim to have gathered their knowledge from Christian sources who would be nearly 100 years old by the time they gave their testimony, meaning the sources were second or third hand sources rather than first hand sources at best.

The Bible authors speak about their knowledge of Jesus as coming to them through dream, visions, and persuasion by the Holy Spirit. None have first hand accounts.

Jesus is a Jewish fairy tale. Not only is Jesus Jewish himself, but his entirely story ark and authority comes from Jewish traditions and backstory.

Jesus is the claimed messiah of the Jews. Jesus claimed himself to be the new God of Venus, a symbolically important God since many rival gods against the Jews claimed the same. Other figures that claimed to be the God of Venus include Satan and Inanna (the supreme god of Babylon, the god of whoredom, the Whore of Babylon).

Jews believed the human sacrifice, especially the sacrifice of children, especially first born children is Yahweh's favorite form of human sacrifice. Jews called human sacrifice "moloch" meaning "pass over fire" and committed these sacrifices at tophets. Of the two know tophets sites in the Middle East both were found in the Jewish controlled territories of Carthage and Jerusalem. Yahweh, directly or by commanding his followers, demand the sacrifice of first born sons over and over again.

Jesus is claimed to be a first born son, thus his authority comes from his sacrifice, a traditional Jewish sacrifice.

>>507321060
>The only reason you need a special word for it is that your cult needs a name.
You just revealed yourself as a liar.
In real life religion/non-religion is a 100% private matter, but here on /pol/ anons lie blatantly about irreligious humans and accuse them of being religious (and now even call these individuals “cults”!) - If an accurate word for being irreligious can’t stop the lies, then WHAT besides lawsuits is needed to stop your libel and defamation?

Watching videos of people with cancer is the best cure one can have against religious beliefs. If you can watch these and sitll believe there's a God out there with your best interest in mind, you are a genuine fucking retard.

>be watching youtube video about 15 yo girl fighting her SECOND cancer
>was on chemo at age 8
>cheerful girl happy that she just beat cancer and will have a nice long life ahead of h-
>SIKE! You get cancer again!
>spent the better part of her life fighting cancer
>dies looking like a skeleton

Wow! Thank you dear benevolent God! I'm sure that girl must have been evil incarnate. A real sinner! She definitely deserved it! Or maybe she was a tool to test/punish her family with. This is UNIORINCALLY what christkeks believe btw. Because God doesn't make mistakes. This is all part of (((His))) plan!

>be watching youtube video about DemolitionMatt's brother
>has neck cancer
>most horrific looking wound from surgery, rotting jaw bone from cancer still spreading
>spends the better part of a year in terrible pain
>cancer spreads to his brain, starts having seizure and eventually dies from it
>wife makes a video about it
>*crying* "All I know is that now he's happy because he's with God"
>mfw

GOD JUST LET YOUR HUSBAND DIE A PAINFUL, UNNECESSARY DEATH DUE TO CANCER AND YOU THINK HE'S GONNA BE HAPPY TO MEET THAT RETARDED FAGGOT???


Did he deserve it? Was he being tested? Was the wife being tested?

Omniscient?
Omnipotent?
Benevolent?

God may be one or two of these things but not all three together. Meaning the Christian God is impossible.

>>507322174
>"a certain system of belief" is a pretty unclear definition for atheism
No shit, retard. What's your point?

>>507322393
Seethe and cope, cultist.

>>507320229
I got a different version:

If there is something, then we know there was never nothing. This is because it is impossible to go from nothing to something.
The Bible claims God created something out of nothing, therefore that didn't happen.

>>507321758
A person named Jesus Christ existing doesn't prove the existence of the christian god lmao. There is no physical proof that he performed any of his claimed "miracles" or that he was the son of God beyond claiming himself to be.

I can do that too anon. Here:

>I am the son of God.

Why wouldn't you believe me? You have exactly as much evidence for me being the son of god as you do Jesus Christ.

>>507322481
Immature bottom-IQ LIAR = 100% inbred islamist tier.

>>507322537
Thats literally the point of God anon. To create something out of nothing

>>507322715
Kek. Knew you were a kike.

Religious people are so pathetic and retarded. What, you can't live a virtuous life unless you know you're getting rewarded for it at the end? lmao.

>>507322723
you admitted creating something out of nothing is impossible so the logic conclusion should have been that everything has always existed, not that some God did the impossible (not very impossible anymore I guess?)

>>507321425
>Denying the history of science is not a rebuttal. It's just typical atheist ignorance and vacuity.
How is my description of the scientific method inaccurate?
>Quote the part where I said "not believing in gods" makes you anti-scientific.
Atheism is not believing in gods so by extension being an atheist makes you anti-scientific according to you.
>Someone with an atheist mindset.
Circular definition
>I'm too lazy to provide such zoological portraits right now.
Alright, we'll just disregard you until then. If you show up and use words in a completely different way from everybody else then refuse to define how what you mean with those words then it's impossible to properly communicate with you. One might even say you are unintelligible :)

>>507322268
>If you write a paper, do you say 'you wrote that paper' or ' the pen wrote that paper'.
God/the source may work through all of us, but that doesn't always mean we are correct. I have encountered homeless guys who claimed they were divinely inspired, and emissaries of God. they believed it, and spoke very convincingly. I don't trust Mankind's word on God.
It;s not possible, but, I have seen and been shown much myself. Enough to believe and know there is something greater beyond us, and maybe that's enough for me now.
It's not that I am outright denying the Bible, but, those experiences are not my own, so it is impossible for me to take them at face value. Other deceptions could be in play too. I do not know, so I will not presume to know this, for now, until I am shown.
>Jesus Himself says the faith of a mustard seed is all thats needed and He will do the rest.
Maybe so. Jesus also said something to the effect of "anything I can do you can do as well", if I recall correctly that is.
Thank You for your prayers, Anon. That's very kind of you.
I'm about to go to sleep, or try to at least. I hope you have a wonderful day/night. God guide you too.

>>507322695
Anon how do you explain the millions, probably billions of ppl who lived and died before cameras and Internet. None of what you hear about any of them is true because it wasn't filmed? I'm not sure i understand your gripe here. You dont believe Jesus did miracles???? Of course He did. The sheer number of ppl who follow Him today is a miracle in its self.dont take it from me. Do yourself a favor and go watch the 1,000s of Christian testimonies on how Jesus has done miracles in their lives. Then for contrast go watch testimonials for every other religion. No other religion comes close in terms of authentic life change, heart change, spirit change, attitude change. Because in we are reborn and changed in Jesus Christ

>>507323088
See
>>507322315

Yahweh is a false god.

>>507322537
Thats silly. You haven't always excisted.

>>507306234
the insult was just a bonus

>>507305354 (OP)

If Pagans, and other Atheistic Secular Worldviews think hell is finding out Jesus Christ was Jewish at the time, and for not understanding that Jews murdered Him for speech, then maybe God intended it that way so your hatred would mean Hell's Gates are locked from the inside.

By denying Jesus as the Christ then you misunderstand His purpose. It was to shine a blinding light where the evil will come from. Remember, Romans followed Jew orders to murder the innocent Messiah. Adam cucked to Eve, Romans cucked to Jews. Our Father wants us to be MEN head of our kingdoms, it's not queendoms silly. Eve's very first sin was her serpent spirit, her Autonomy. Same with Jews, who are the weaker vessels to Christians. Roman Salute are cuckes to the weaker vessels. It worse than Jews. You're all fucked without Jesus as your Christ, as men head of their kingdoms, as America head of Jews. Get it yet?

You'll never get it until Psalm 51:17 habbens. You're all lost until God rules your kingdoms. Then, you'll find bliss. It's 1683 to the weaker vessels of 1488. You'll all see that very soon. Go find me on telegram, have the conversations. I'm here for my tribe, but you place religion OVER race nullifying your tenant. God made your NS movement hypocrisy. It's funny how God works. I'm here for y'all. Find me, y'all know who I am. I'm the one debunking Atheistic Worldviews for 20 years now. I'll stand a few feet in front of Hell's Gates battling anyone trying to get past me. Pagans try very hard, but I don't give up on my tribe. Y'all do.

>>507322838
>How is my description of the scientific method inaccurate?
I didn't say your "description of the scientific method" (not that you provided any such thing) is inaccurate. I said your belief system undermines the intellectual basis from which it derives in the first place. Pop-sci dimwits think that if the watered-down version of the "scientific method" they learned in school doesn't explicitly invoke those philosophical underpinnings (assuming they're aware of them at all, which you clearly aren't) then they're irrelevant and unnecessary, even as "science" keeps devolving into a cargo cult before their very eyes, essentially undergoing the same process that hollowed out and delegitimized the religious traditions they resent.


>Circular definition
All definitions are circular, you mongoloid.

>>507323207
Yahwist cults are all Jewish by definition. You can have multiple rival Jewish groups.

>>507323306
>I said your belief system undermines the intellectual basis from which it derives in the first place.
What is my belief system?

>>507322894
Discernment is very very important. Im not saying blindly trust the Bible as the word of God. Go through it. Test it. Put what it says to practice. Does the Bible steer you wrong? Has the Bible ever told a lie ? Is there literally a solution for every problem you could face, somehow in that relatively small book ? Also you dont have to believe man at all. Speak directly to God. You'll know when He's moving in your life. Also the science and history behind the Bible is very very convincing. These things start to add up, until its harder to disprove God and the bible being His word then it is to prove.
GN anon

>>507322770
That’s what Muslims here on /pol/ call all ethnic Whites - hoping other anons are unaware that Denmark’s few jews died/disappeared 82 years ago.

>>507323415
>What is my belief system?
Atheism of the most vapid variety.

>>507323455
Yeah, ok. Tell me more about how you're gonna sue me for calling you out, kike. See if you can get the ADL on board. :^)

>>507323510
You never got around to defining that so I have no idea if you even understand what you are talking about.

>>507323587
>You never got around to defining that
I don't know why it's so funny to watch you mouth breathers repeating the same mistake over and over again with this definition wank.

>>507323088
>None of what you hear about any of them is true because it wasn't filmed?
It may or may not be true, and to simply believe it did without question is mentally retarded. The truth is, religious beliefs are self soothing. You believe because you want to believe, not because you have logical reasons to do so. I don't need self soothing beliefs, and all logic points to God as described in the bible being impossible.

It's VERY BASIC LOGIC. The description of God in the bible is logically fallacious. Your book couldn't even get a plausible description going. Anyone believing in that description is just too retarded to realize it's not possible.

If the bible described God as Omniscient and Omnipotent but not Benevolent, it would be plausible.
If the bible described God as Omniscient and Benevolent but not Omnipotent, it would be plausible.
If the bible described God as Omnipotent and Benevolent but not Omniscient, it would be plausible.

All three characteristics together are impossible given the objective reality of the world, and cancer is perhaps the best example of this. Innocent children, children free of sin, suffering. Why? Free will? Individual cells don't possess free will. That is the epicurean paradox.

Just the idea of a B, O & O God punishing the entirety of humanity for the sin of a single person is ludicrous. Yet you run with this bullshit narrative and even go out of your way to defend it, because you're mortally afraid that you might be wrong about this. Have you ever questioned your own beliefs, or are you too attached to them to admit that you might be wrong?

>>507323743
See
>>507320141

>>507323663
Because it makes you look incredibly stupid but you lack the self-awareness to understand that.
>inb4 "no u!!!!"
You talk shit about other people being dumb but you can't understand something as simple people needing mutually agreed upon definitions when talking about certain concepts. You show up with your own homemade definition that no one else agrees with, refuse to define it so people understand what you mean (probably because you realize that you said something stupid and don't want to own up to it) and then get upset when people call you out on it. You are in clinically retarded debate bro mode.

>>507323743
Prove that true, absolute evil, as opposed to some relative human notion of it, exists. You literally can't.

>>507323913
>be benevolent god
>your child disobeys your command
>get so butthurt at his children that you cast them and all their descendants out to a world of eternal suffering

Doesn't sound very benevolent.

>>507323915
>people needing mutually agreed upon definitions when talking about certain concepts
They don't, though.

>>507323318

Irrelevant thesis to the subject. Do you even concede that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent being could reveal things to us such we are certain of them and we are without excuse? Romans 1:18-23 for that evidence

How do you know your reasoning is valid, without God or being viciously circular?

Proof presuposes the absoluteness of truth. How do you know anything that's absolutely true in your Atheistic Secular Worldview?

Christianity has the only epistemology logical foundation. God revealed that He is necessary for Logic, mathematics, science, ethics, aesthetics, things that are absolute from the absolute eternal things that are a reflection of God's mind. A flicker of light shines in darkness. It would drown in blasting light. This plane is dark, God shows you the flicker to find Him. He guides, you close your eyes. Fine, but you'll never see the path without Him. Repentance and trust find the path to Him. Remember, all who deny Jesus is the Christ is worshipping the Jewish god of this word. Y'all are Antichrists. Pagans included. Get it? Find me on telegram, x, blog. I'm debunking y'all so easily as Luke 21:15 evidenced thousands of years ago

>>507323998
Why? Cancer doesn't possess the capacity for evil yet still causes humans to suffer.

>>507324093
>causes humans to suffer.
Cool. Now prove that true, absolute evil, as opposed to some relative human notion of it, exists. You literally can't.

>>507324131
Why? Cancer doesn't possess the capacity for evil yet still causes humans to suffer.

>>507305755
>complexity just exists ok... IT JUST DOES

>>507324081
>evidenced thousands of years ago
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "evidence"

>>507324155
Kek. I broke the bot. Concession accepted. Your entire argument is:
>if god is so good why do things happen that i don't like

>>507324034
The purpose of language is to convey information. If people are working with different definitions then the resulting conversation is confusing and unproductive. You should be able to understand this.

>>507324217
Why not?

>>507305972
FACT CHECK: FALSE

>>507324245
I never mentioned the word "evil" in my post, so why the FUCK would I argue against your strawman?

>>507324014
>>507324081

How else will humans learn? Maybe this is a kind of learning that a mere slap on the wrist wont suffice.

1/3 of the angels rebelled and they knew god directly.

Maybe it's necessary for suffering to come first, not because god wants suffering, but it's the only way to adequately teach beings with true free will what it is to leave God's grace, that their very existence and happiness depends on God.

>>507324264
>If people are working with different definitions then the resulting conversation is confusing and unproductive.
Generally speaking, people aren't "working under definitions" when they talk, retard. Mull this fact over before you spew more dumb shit.

>>507323743
I have zero fear. Im far from perfect so dont paint me in your head as some self righteous person preaching to the ppl. I'll simply respond to anons who reply to me and help them if i possess the knowledge. The thing is, as a believer in Christ, the Holy Spirit can quite literally be felt. Gods presence can be felt. You dont hear Christians explaining this to other believes, because we all know and feel it. It's only when someone like you comes along and says our beliefs are baseless. To that i say 'impossible'. Theres not 1% of cope in any of my posts. I'd like to think I'll always humbly admit when im wrong. In this case im not, im 100% sure of my faith

>>507324245
>things happen that i don't like
If God is benevolent, what is the reason for human suffering that doesn't need to happen for free will to exist?

>>507323548
>how you’re gonna sue me
Don’t be afraid, inbred Ibrahim - as eternal cowards Muslims only use anonymous boards, and I’m not gonna hack you but will leave you and your fragile penis remnants to your cousin-wife’s abused vagina.

>>507324319
>references muh Problem of Evil
>but i didn't use the word "evil"
Ok, retard. Reminder that all leafs are Israkike proxies.

i got you

>>507324431
Fuck off back to Israel and get TKD'd by Iran.

>>507324339
>How else will humans learn?
Learn what? That a benevolent God will become so mad at you at the slightest transgression it'll result in your entire kind to suffer for thousands of years, including 100% innocent children that have literally never disobeyed God?

If God is omniscient and omnipotent he could have figured out a way to prevent eve from eating that apple.

>>507324155
Listen brotha. We cant keep crying about bad things. It happens. Life is crazy. The grocery store has rules. No shoes no shirt no service. You follow those rules and shop. Why is it different for you when it comes to life? This is life. Filled with good bad, struggle, triumph, courage, fear etc. . . you want a perfect care free life forever ? ? ? Well we had it. . eve ate the apple. Now We have to trust in Jesus to return to our perfect carefree life

>>507324340
>Generally speaking, people aren't "working under definitions" when they talk, retard. Mull this fact over before you spew more dumb shit.
Generally speaking most people already have a common understanding of what most words mean, if someone says "look at that red car over there" the person next to them isn't going to look at a grey lamppost, because they understand the difference. Right now however we are not talking in general terms, this thread is SPECIFICALLY for talking about atheism. If there is confusion about what the term means then it is fundamentally important to clear that out to avoid future confusion. You should be able to understand this. You are spineless. You are disingenuous. You are obsessed with scoring internet debate points.

>>507324450
I specifically avoid using that term because of the exact response you're giving me, and yet you couldn't help but to use it in your strawman lmfao. Suffering is a far better argument against christfaggotry because it isn't affected by the notion of free will.

>>507324531
>Listen brotha. We cant keep crying about bad things. It happens.
lmao but why doesn't god stop it?

>>507305972
>Christianity out of NOWHERE.
Holy warped lmao.

>>507324599
Idk

>>507324573
>most people already have a common understanding of what most words mean,
Yeah. And dictionary definitions don't actually encapsulate it. Also everyone here knows exactly what deformed subhumans are referred to by the word "atheist", yourself included. :^) Not reading the rest of your 80 IQ post.

>>507324633
food for thought