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Anonymous ID: wwUT1amU
6/14/2025, 6:26:47 PM No.507354915
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Why did Shitaly fare so poorly during WW2?
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Anonymous ID: UyzIpX/xBrazil
6/14/2025, 6:27:47 PM No.507355019
Br sent our troops over there.
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Anonymous ID: OJXMdZAv
6/14/2025, 6:28:04 PM No.507355043
>>507354915 (OP)
Patton drove circles around mussolini
Anonymous ID: 0b9aR3hQUnited Kingdom
6/14/2025, 6:30:16 PM No.507355244
Long story

tl;dr: Italy had not been a united country for that long and its military had little institutional experience.
Anonymous ID: EMMCGv3lFinland
6/14/2025, 6:31:24 PM No.507355333
>>507354915 (OP)
the italian people were weak and stupid and incapable of fulfilling the duces ambition.
Mussolinis only fault was that he was leading italians.
>We italians are not a warrior race t. Former blackshirt in a documentary
Anonymous ID: WTSKBxyvUnited Kingdom
6/14/2025, 6:32:10 PM No.507355396
>>507354915 (OP)
>Why did Shitaly fare so poorly during WW2?
i checked chatgpt
Hereโ€™s a ranked list of WWII military loss rates per 1,000 troops per year, across several countries:

Rank Country Deaths per 1,000 Troops per Year
1 Poland 240.0
2 Soviet Union 63.0
3 Finland 52.8
4 Japan 49.1
5 Germany 48.5
6 China 26.8
7 France 25.0
8 Italy 16.4
9 United Kingdom 11.0
10 United States 7.4
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Anonymous ID: EMMCGv3lFinland
6/14/2025, 6:33:43 PM No.507355547
>>507355396
>i checked chatgpt
kill yourself
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Anonymous ID: WTSKBxyvUnited Kingdom
6/14/2025, 6:34:58 PM No.507355668
>>507355547
not my fault youre number 3
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Anonymous ID: TzAUjACsCanada
6/14/2025, 6:43:04 PM No.507356516
>>507354915 (OP)
There were structural problems with its military like with most fascist states. Because Mussolini's power depending on military support, he curated leadership that was ideologically loyal over leadership that was competent, which lead to systemic problems with leadership, discipline, training and organization.
Unified Italy was a young country and had nowhere near the martial experience or background that the other major powers of Europe did. They learned a lot of harsh lessons in WW1 but devolved in the interwar period due to the aforementioned issues with fascist leadership.
Their industry was decentralized in a lot of artisan workshops rather than in large-scale factory production, which meant that there was generally a shortage of heavy equipment to arm their formations. Since the italians didn't have any infantry anti-tank weapons, they relied on a woefully inadequate supply of anti-tank guns and self propelled tank destroyers to combat armoured vehicles. This left their formations serially vulnerable to being overwhelmed and overrun by concentrated armoured attacks

And lastly: Italy was fighting for the restoration of an ancient empire. Their ambitions were territorial, and mostly focused on the Balkans and on securing naval supremacy in the Mediterranean, to which they relied primarily on the Luftwaffe for air cover. The Luftwaffe, having already been beaten over Britain, was in a training and leadership death spiral by the time the mediterranean went hot and the naval situation there steadily deteriorated. This left the italian soldiers on the ground in an conundrum:
They were fighting to rule the seas and to rule the balkans.
But the balkans were won and Germany, not Italy, occupied Italy's territorial claims.
Now Italy was fighting for the Germans in Russia and in Africa, for the sake of a German empire, not an Italian one, against Germany's enemies and not Italy's. Why die for Germany when you aren't German?
Anonymous ID: VKuLxEp8United Kingdom
6/14/2025, 6:52:42 PM No.507357473
>>507354915 (OP)
Pasta. Il Duce knew that wops needed to move to a rice-based diet to win.
Anonymous ID: HcdPGiWF
6/14/2025, 6:57:18 PM No.507357933
the problem with Italy is that its ruled by faggot milanese euro bureaucratic trash

Italy needs to be reestablished under Venetian control, bring back Serenissima and conquer back the old territories
Anonymous ID: i7HWQiMU
6/14/2025, 6:57:52 PM No.507357996
>>507355019
>Why did Shitaly fare so poorly

pure incompetence
Anonymous ID: HcdPGiWF
6/14/2025, 6:59:04 PM No.507358117
but seriously, you fags talk about Illuminatis and Jews controlling the world....and never once Ive heard Milano mentioned....

Milano its the capital of the world, if you didnt knew
Anonymous ID: aH5XwpSOUnited States
6/14/2025, 7:07:12 PM No.507358916
>>507354915 (OP)
Lack of fuel sources so they had little mechanized/armored divisions which would've been useful in the deserts of north africa, not to mention their navy sat in ports getting bombed. Also they were only in the war opportunistically so they were never expecting to fight that seriously nor have the enemy show up on their shores, so when that happened they just switched sides quickly and take a minor L rather than risk being carved up territorially like Germany was.
Anonymous ID: TQO6S1JD
6/14/2025, 7:07:23 PM No.507358940
>>507354915 (OP)
the south was full of marxist commie lovers.. they were a divided country full of traitors
Anonymous ID: EMMCGv3lFinland
6/14/2025, 7:07:29 PM No.507358951
>>507355396
>>507355668
I reverse calculated top 3 and the numbers don't match reality at all
chatgpt numbers:
>poland: 1 440 000 overall casualties
>soviet union: 9 316 125
>finland: 184 800
REALITY:
>poland: 250 000 (including 100 000 resistance casualties)
>soviet union: 8 668 400 vs germans (+ some more vs finland and poland etc.) (some sources claim 11 million)
>Finland: 94 700
only the soviet number checks out and even then it's just some random number
fuck off pajeet KILL YOURSELF!!!!!
Anonymous ID: /MYQfgpfFinland
6/14/2025, 7:09:01 PM No.507359103
>>507354915 (OP)
mussolini focused on building his image instead of his army just like any modern vain shitalian faggot
Anonymous ID: 11lH16+BItaly
6/14/2025, 7:11:15 PM No.507359334
>>507354915 (OP)
Italy was an agricultural country and didn't have almost any industrial capacity. Il duce probably thought germany was going to win the war by itself in a few weeks and agreed to join
Anonymous ID: NpFQj5/TItaly
6/14/2025, 7:11:18 PM No.507359341
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there was mostly only the smoke of a country with little meat to back it up, history came knocking before Mussolini could truly create the new Italian that he dreamed of, as soon as he entered the war all of those shortcomings slowly crept out
Anonymous ID: Cu3BMNZJUnited States
6/14/2025, 7:18:24 PM No.507360013
>meme answer
all the best Italians left to the USA and so their leadership, and troops were dog shit

>real answer
Italy was cosplaying an enlightment great power and was doing very dumb things in Ethiopia, and essentially trying to grab Balkan colonies instead of actually trying to win a total war like everybody else.
Anonymous ID: vq4Iw7E5Germany
6/14/2025, 7:21:54 PM No.507360395
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Maybe because Shitler Adolf didnt told Mussolini that he is going to invade Soviet Russia so Italy had no time to prepare for that kind of war?

Italy struggled in Greece , do you think they were happy that the US,UK,Canada,Australia,NZ,Soviet Union,Brazil and 100 other countries declared war on Italy becase Schickelgruber Dolf thought itยดs a good idea to invade Russia without telling his allies about it and giving them 0 time to prepare?