capitalism is cooked

>capitalism is cooked

Communism is fake and gay.

>>507544717 (OP)
Why can't the people in the bottom right panel afford a Rolls Royce?

More often than not, the mastermind of your problems is the person you see in the mirror.

>>507545585
Because they make 3.75 an hour plus tips (they never get tipped)

>>507544717 (OP)
yet they remain

>>507545675
They could be rich and successful if they really wanted to.

>>507545675
why did they agree to this?

>>507544717 (OP)
If they don't like the pay, then quit.

It's really that simple.

>>507544717 (OP)
It's not that they can't afford to pay spics minimum wage. It's that the spics are here illegally and aren't worth minimum wage.

>>507545585
Let me explain capitalism in terms you can understand.

It's basically like a system where a beekeeper takes 95% of the honey bees make.

The bees made the honey, the beekeeper did literally nothing, but he's taking 95% of their honey.

You can think of the bees as all workers in the world, honey as all value they generate, and the beekeeper as shareholders, creditors, overpaid execs, and rent-seeking property owners.

>>507545765
>>507545836
Their means of survival are illegal otherwise

It's illegal to just build a house

It's illegal to just go fish

It's illegal to sell that fish on the street

>>507544717 (OP)
Hey, Look, Look !

>>507545714
In states that have been compassionate to the point of humiliation they trash the place and blame White people.

>>507545910
What's preventing the "bees" from becoming "beekeepers?"

>>507544717 (OP)
they could get paid minimum wage back in shit skin Homeland

>>507546006
Generational poverty

Not being born into a wealthy family

Extremely high costs of living that have far outpaced wages not allowing them to afford housing, let alone have money left over to "invest"

("Investing" should be illegal anyway, there should be no such thing as doing NOTHING productive yourself, and taking free money stolen from workers AKA shareholders, creditors, and rent-seeking property owners)

At least leftists have the balls to name the jew, faggot shitlibs and champagne socialists are in the same category as neocon republicans and zionist evangelicals. They're just drones for the establishment, wind-up toys saying what they're programmed to say. And they understand nothing.
>capitalism did this
No faggot, this same wealth transferring bullshit happens under communism, in monarchies, dictatorships and every other system of government when your elite ruling class is a bunch of fucking demon worshipping inbreds

>>507545999
If this continued invasion of our living area by the Asia, Africa, Latinos continues, we will be completely swamped. We already have the Clintonistas counting down in eager anticipation of the day sometime around the middle of the next century when we will be a minority in our own land and a non-White majority will be lording it over us. And of course, it will be not only the drowning of US in a non-White tide, it will be the destruction of the last of the rain forests and the last of the wild animals everywhere, as the Yellow and Brown population explosions continue in their own parts of the world. It will be terminal pollution everywhere on our overcrowded planet

How did this happen? What were we thinking of when we took our technology and medical science to Africa and Asia and the jungles of Latin America and reduced the death rates in those places so that their non-White populations could explode?

If we had just left them swinging through the trees and sacrificing each other wholesale to their various gods, instead of trying to get them to wear clothes and learn English or Spanish or French and wash their hands after going to the bathroom, they still would be happily making mud pies with their own filth and dying like flies, and their population density still would be what it was ten thousand years ago; the tropical rain forests still would be thriving, and the lions still would be eating as many of them as vice versa. Most important, we wouldn’t be carrying them on our backs now whenever we go to a hospital; we wouldn’t be subjecting our kids to them in our schools; we wouldn’t have them shoved in our faces whenever we turn on a television receiver; we wouldn’t be looking for parts of the country to which we can flee where there are fewer of them; we wouldn’t be watching our whole civilization being pulled back down into barbarism by their dead weight. We could be masters in our own world, a cleaner and greener and healthier world

>>507544717 (OP)
>>>capitalism is cooked
not wrong, but this is you

>>507544717 (OP)
>rich White people are the problem with this country
<which country did you migrate to illegally?
>the richest country in the world which used to be full of White people
i see the problem

>>507545910
>It's basically like a system where a beekeeper takes 95% of the honey bees make.
>The bees made the honey, the beekeeper did literally nothing, but he's taking 95% of their honey.

Called GOVERNMENT! kek

>>507545910
>Their means of survival are illegal otherwise
>It's illegal to just build a house
>It's illegal to just go fish
>It's illegal to sell that fish on the street
Government
Government
Government
Government

Government is SOCIALIST in nature.

>>507546212
Why do you have an ancap flag if you're whining about captalism?

>Generational poverty
So their families were too dumb to manage money?

>Not being born into a wealthy family
So they can't be bothered to work for their success?

>Extremely high costs of living that have far outpaced wages not allowing them to afford housing, let alone have money left over to "invest"
So they're too dumb to be better with money or pick up an extra shift?

>("Investing" should be illegal anyway, there should be no such thing as doing NOTHING productive yourself, and taking free money stolen from workers AKA shareholders, creditors, and rent-seeking property owners)
But it's not, and anyone can do it.

>>507546006
nothing. we see a trend of just that as "hustlers" but as you know those don't really take off well and you can only produce so much before not have enough consumers. but the real reason why is because the ones already doing well are the ones protected with political power.

>>507546666
>political power
excuse me, political corruption*
quads btw

>>507546422
>>507546572
To some extent you could say taxes are similar when they spend it on anything other than improving the lives of taxpayers

In theory though, taxes are supposed to help society and you indirectly

1) Shareholders
2) Creditors
3) Overpaid execs
4) Rent-seeking property owners

These people do literally nothing productive and STEAL money generated by workers.

>>507546621
Kill yourself my man.

I'll enjoy you rigging you up on the day of the guillotine.

>>507546422
>>507545910

the bees literally take 95% of the pollen
the plants make the pollen
the bee literally did nothing but takes 95% ofthe pollen

>>507545910
>It's illegal to just build a house
But ive built the house and you cant do anything about it
>It's illegal to just go fish
But i have the fish now
>It's illegal to sell that fish on the street
But im selling them in my illegal house

>>507545910
>It's basically like a system where a beekeeper takes 95% of the honey bees make.
Mindless drones are exploited in ever economic model.

>>507546702
bro why do you have this saved

>>507545765
They are threatened with imprisonment and torture.

>>507545939
man, never thought about the sexual possibilities with portals... you get to fuck from behind and still see the tits facing you whithout a mirror

>>507546774
>Kill yourself my man.

I accept your concession.

>I'll enjoy you rigging you up on the day of the guillotine.

Yeah, in two more weeks, right?

>>507546964
its hot

>>507546099
I think the point you are missing is that the capitalists imported them specifically because they can drive down wages, therefore impoverishing the working class in general.

All of you fail to realize that one key element shared by both Communists and Capitalists is CENTRAL BANKING.
Ever wonder why that might be, or who exactly might be behind both artificial political paradigms?

And don't give me that free market crap.
We have nothing close to that, but we do have corporate welfare that staggers the imagination.

>>507546774
>In theory though, taxes are supposed to help society and you indirectly
But they NEVER do because Government gonna Government.

>>507546818
>the bees literally take 95% of the pollen
Bro, what? I think you're confused about how bees work.

>>507546572
Socialism = the workers own the means of production.

The only people who think socialism is government control are people who think the government in any way represents the will and interests of working people. Do you believe that? I don’t. I believe it represents rich greedy kike interests. I believe more government intervention = more capitalism. Because capital controls the government.

why don't those disgusting browns fuck off back to mexico

>>507546964
Anon, look at his flag, and make an educated guess.

>>507544717 (OP)
>Brown people larping as workers and not welfare parasite lumpenproles
Cute . Now go to gulag.

>>507547134
>Socialism = the workers own the means of production.

>>507544717 (OP)
A system where whites live in luxury and are served by browns is ideal.

>>507544717 (OP)
Want more than that $7.35/hr? Do something worth more.

>>507547090
>Ever wonder why that might be, or who exactly might be behind both artificial political paradigms?
The pope?
Charlemagne?

>>507544717 (OP)
Oh nice posting this here
Really going to get good responses

>>507544717 (OP)
Anyone else getting tired of people speaking in PG13 baby terms because that's what all the streamers do?

>>507544717 (OP)

capitalism made my poop gay.

>>507546917
>>507547090

the overpopulating shitskins take up 95% of Earth's resources

the animals and plants make the resources

the shitskins do nithing but shit fuck and spawn to infinity and take 95% of the Earth's resources

>>507547258
Funny that you couldn't think of any other options.
Why might that be?

>>507547134
>Socialism = the workers own the means of production.

>>507545910
>It's illegal to just go fish
>It's illegal to sell that fish on the street

Yes let's let everyone fish all the time and drive lcoal fish populations extinct.

>>507544717 (OP)
Take life decisions to not be part of the last panle dumbass

>>507545585
Because they don't have rich parents or aren't attractive enough for someone to want to pay them for sex.

>>507547371
>the shitskins do nithing but shit fuck and spawn to infinity and take 95% of the Earth's resources
That's some mighty harsh antisemitism you've got there.
They might not pay for that post!

>>507547237
That’s literally what it means though. The whole “socialist party” thing that happened in Eastern Bloc countries was OSTENSIBLY “the workers have seized the government and will use it to bring about socialism”. The party wasn’t socialism itself, it was “aimed at” socialism. That was its stated goal.

It failed, of course, because power structures cannot be used as tools of liberation. But yes, anon, when the workers own the means of production, that’s socialism. Worker cooperatives are socialism. Self employment is socialism.

>>507547430
They can work hard and save money. Or they can study hard, get a scholarship, go to college, get a degree, etc.

>>507545910
If we were keeping the analogy on the straight and narrow this would be a scenario in which a special bee that directed other bees to get honey retained most of the honey. Which would be sensible, as without them doing so the bees would be running around aimlessly instead of getting honey.

>>507547517
>literally
>Homosexual word.
>Still clinging to 1800s political ideology of socialism.
>Doesn't know where to stick it.
Dismissed.

>>507547606
But… bees don’t have a central bee coordinator. They DO get the honey autonomously.

Also, since when do capitalists argue for central planning? I didn’t realize the Honey Commisariat was so integral to the free honey market.

>>507547688
post nose

>>507547606
bees steal pollen and shit out honey

the bees literally take 95% of the pollen
the plants make the pollen
the bee literally did nothing but takes 95% ofthe pollen

>>507547815
no kike nose for you glownigger

>>507547416
So then why do you allow commercial fishing boats to dragnet thousands of fish + dolphins and shit?

But say it's illegal for me to catch 1 fish in the ocean and sell it on the street?

Why don't you go to war with Chinese commercial fishing boats ?

Replace fishing with "growing tomatoes on a vacant lot"

Same thing, illegal, and selling the tomatoes on the street is illegal.

Only allowed to work jobs approved by your masters (state and capitalists), to earn their good-boy points (money), to trade for the means of survival (housing, food)

>>507547573
>"hard"
>"Harder"
>"Even HARDER!!!"
>"WORK HARDER!!!!"
U sound like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

>>507546212
>I'm 14 and don't understand economy

The issue is Central Banking and inflation

Without investments you'd be royally fucked.

>>507544717 (OP)

poor person's misconception of what rich people do lmao

>>507547893
You’re the one shilling kike ideology. Guess we should all just take out more loans to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps right Moishe? It would be downright UNAMERICAN to seize anything owned by our jewish masters, the means of production don’t belong to the goyim!

>>507547977
It's what children think, not poor people.

It's a Scrooge McDuck view on economy.

>>507548027
Fuck off, commie

>>507544717 (OP)
notice the dynamics of the types of people in the comic strip? Every Single Time.

>>507547901
>>507547901
>commercial fishing boats to dragnet thousands of fish + dolphins and shit?

blame the shitskins

>Why don't you go to war with Chinese commercial fishing

because shitskin invader riots will burn down MAGA if that happens

>>507546774
Shareholders represent individuals willing to direct a portion of their income to buying a part of the company, because they think the company is going to do well. That is money directed for a specific purpose. Your argument that people should be unable to do so rests on a complete mischaracterization of what investment actually entails.

>>507547002
You could literally fuck your own butt

>>507544717 (OP)
It's true that profit comes from low wages and shit benefits while they raise the prices to increase profits, but the finance industry skims off that growth in profit making worsening conditions for workers and consumers absolutely vital to that system. That means it's more than just a company making more money, it's investors who bought into ownership expecting growth in how much is made.

>>507545742
k... I'll bite...
How?

>>507545742
This,
Nobody owes you shit.
You want something? Earn jt.

Where the panel showing the white rich people working their asses off for the money to buy the cars? They skipped that part.

>>507547748
Yeah no shit, but humans don’t just randomly build a fucking highway, they have to be directed. So the analogy of bees is not apt, that’s why I added the necessity of a bee to direct them. That’s what capital is, it’s the basis of modern indudtrialism.

>>507545585
Because they're brown. Brown IQs aren't high enough to afford a Rolls Royce.

>>507548191
Any time a man got a dollar he didn’t work for, there’s another man who worked for a dollar he didn’t get.

You collect dividends, you’re a rent-extracting parasite. If you don’t collect dividends you’re just playing hot potato with the investment bag, that’s essentially fine, that’s basically just gambling. You’re only extracting your money from other would-be rentiers, I don’t care if parasites bankrupt one another.

>>507547977
>poor person's misconception of what rich people do lmao
Nah, thats what rich people do.
These people know. Who do you think drives their cars for them and cleans their pool and does their yard work and works on their properties.

>>507548411
Brown IQs aren't high enough to BUILD or invent a Rolls Royce.

shitskins are monkeys kept in a zoo built by YT

>>507546006
Read you just wrote and think about it

>>507548385
>Where the panel showing the white rich people working their asses off for the money to buy the cars? They skipped that part.

If not them, then their parents, their grandparents, etc. Go to the beginning of the long line of inherited wealth, you'll find a little boy who was shining shoes or carrying golf clubs.

>>507546702
Kek shindus have small dicks and are mole faced plus YOU'RE SHORT.

>>507548191
Investors are often there for the short term, meaning pushing for changes that generate short term gains at the cost of long term growth. Prioritizing investors means working against value to consumers and workers.

>>507548191
>>507547951
Capitalism is the belief that a society should be run by people who would kill you if it was legal and made them $1 richer

AKA shareholders

I understand private equity, debt, interest, is how the current system runs, and you're not intelligent enough to understand any other way of doing things

I'm telling you that the current system should be abolished

>>507548385
>Where the panel showing the white rich people working their asses off for the money to buy the cars? They skipped that part.
That's because it never happened.

>>507548432
Investment is literally directing dollars that were worked (in the past) towards the growth of a business (in the future). Dividends represent an offer by the company to entice investors to give them money so they can use it in their enterprises. It’s just money being directed towards an interest int he growth of a business. There’s not a reasonable argument you could use as to why people shouldn’t be able to enter into these agreements, other than that you would not yourself want to do so.

>>507548397
>but humans don’t just randomly build a fucking highway, they have to be directed
Yeah, directed to spend billions in forcibly extracted tax dollars to subsidize megacorporations that use those highways for trans-national distribution of worthless trash. Fuck the highway system, the reason nobody would build it without central planning is nobody but capitalist kikes wants it. It’s a means of expanding their empires and making their overinvestment in monster-scale production viable. You need the highway system or their billion dollar factory that craps out 300,000,000 funko pops an hour can’t turn them a fucking profit. And they take the money to pay for it from you, at gunpoint, and claim they’re saving you from yourself.

>>507548518
>the comic book artist's drawings know
Usually, in these relationships there is mutual respect. People with that kind of wealth that aren't TV personalities are diplomatic to their bones, so they're respectful to workers. I've yet to meet a wealthy or powerful person that meets the cliche. Maybe, jews are like this I never met a wealthy or powerful jew.

>>507544717 (OP)
If they hadn't come here illegally, they could get minimum wage.

>>507548753
Because the money they're getting is stolen from workers, while they (shareholders) do nothing productive.

100% of all profit (bottom line on a balance sheet) is inherently theft from workers

It's excess value generated by workers but not given to them

>>507544717 (OP)
why is leftoid art so demonic looking

>>507548753
You’re trading shares in falsity and evil. You might as well argue “if John wants to buy a slave and Kevin wants to sell a slave, they’re free to enter into that contract if they wish, nobody is being coerced”. You are buying a partial stake in idle rent extraction and parasitic exploitation. Fuck off and die in a ditch you kike swine. Get a real job, contribute to society instead of sucking the blood of the working man.

>>507548704
Nah, it works pretty well. If anything the current system should be expanded.

The proletariat is retarded.

>>507548898
You already have access to the means of production, make some money, go take out a loan and start your own thing.

>>507548027
>kike ideology
SOCIALISM
GOVERNMENT
SOCIETY
DIVERSITY
GLOBALISM
ISRAEL
WARS
HOMOSEXUALITY

Did I miss any? kek

>>507544717 (OP)
Brown foreigners are imported explicitly to suppress wages. Expensive luxuries are not the cause of low wages; foreigners are. All foreign labor is scab labor, retard

>>507548704
You don’t have a reasonable alternative, you just want to tear down a system that disadvantaged you because you refuse to play ball.

>>507548704
>>507548704
communism is the belief that a society should be run by cannibal apes who would kill humans and make it legal to kill higher evolved species because humans are richer than them

AKA shit skins

>>507544717 (OP)
They can afford it but it's cheaper to not pay minimum wage and just hire fucking Mexicans and not pay tax on them

>>507546237
jews

>>507548826
You dont sound like you've spent any real time around anybody wealthy and its painfully obvious.

>>507548811
Listen retard I’m not apportioning praise or blame on any methodologies, I’m pointing out that humans don’t randomly construct massive projects they have to be directed, and that requires money and management

>>507549056
if they wanted to pay mini wage then they'd hire actual human teenagers and not shit skin apes

>>507548990
>go take out a loan
Oh, of course, you’re “free” to do it as long as you enter into financial subservience to Lord Shekelberg first. Then you have his permission. And he takes a cut of what you work to produce in the process. AKA capitalism.

No thanks, I’ll just be taking the factory.

>>507548296
Faggot

>>507544717 (OP)
your comic is gay

>>507545585
>Why can't the people in the bottom right panel afford a Rolls Royce?
Why can't they go back to their country? Oh because capitalism brought them here and capitalism is why they remain. This is why we must get rid of capitalism.

>>507548898
How is the money stolen from the workers? All the money the workers make is apportioned based on the contract they signed with their employer. If they are uncomfortable with their employer arranging a stock offering then they should take that up with their employer, find a new employer, or start a business themselves.

>>507546774
>commie talking about stealing
nigger, you want to abolish private property
are you fucking retarded?
the real problem is central banking and legal tender
diverting people's anger towards THEIR OWN FUCKING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS is just a classic Marxist tactic (and part of the globohomo heads I win tails you lose plan)

>>507549252
Youre not talking anything from anybody.

>>507549403
keep the shitskins
get rid of YT

>>507549480
L'Chaim

>>507549237
>humans don’t randomly construct massive projects they have to be directed, and that requires money and management
There’s some truth to this (not as much as you think) but the issue is with the unstated assumption that the people doing the coordinating should be in control of the project, rather than subservient to it. I can hire an accountant to manage my money but it’d still be my money. In fact most capitalists don’t plan shit, they hire an employee to do their planning for them (a CEO). So even if we accept that coordination is required, who says the coordinator has to be Supreme Overlord of the project and suck up 80% of its output for himself?

>>507549480
>get rid of YT
YT isnt going anywhere. Its just going to end up like every other shithole where you have the white man on top and a revolving door of immigrants exploiting other immigrants.

>>507548959
This is what I mean, you don’t have a reasonable argument other than that you do not yourself do it. You equate it to slavery, why I have no idea lol

>>507549432
This is sort of like saying slaves should have just "negotiated" better pay.

People's means of survival are illegal (building your own house, hunting, fishing, farming, etc.) so they are FORCED to work these jobs, so yes it counts as REAL slavery

But yeah I guess they should negotiate a better contract, at gunpoint, I agree with you.

>>507549436
You can own property, but only what you live in or use, and no rent-seeking.

>>507549432
>if you don’t like it you’re free to leave
You can’t steal my house, try to charge me rent, and then tell me to move out when I complain about it. I recognize that strategy worked for a while in Israel but it isn’t gonna fly here. You sit on a mountain of multigenerational wealth stolen from the working class, and now have the audacity to try to lease us access to the hoard you’ve amassed and claim that this is “free exchange”.

Taking the factory, Goldberg.

>>507549636
that's what the French said in haiti

>>507549523
Retard, it is about OWNERSHIP. It is not that they are "le supreme overlord" or whatever retarded hyperbolic label you conjure out of your ass. It is about individual human being OWNING THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY, instead of a STATE, A CABAL OF KIKES or a band of FILTHY DELUSIONAL COMMIES.
It is about the allocation being the product of VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE by FREE MEN that own PRIVATE PROPERTY instead of a bunch of NIGGERKIKES and their USEFUL IDIOTS (You) raping, stealing and being the demonkind that they really are.

>>507549523
There really is no problem, and you just fail to understand the bigger picture of what actually is going on in these large projects that youre talking about.

Just ask the Coca-Cola company.

>>507549730
No, you can't, retard. That is the old ruse of "personal vs private property" that is used as a more palatable rhetoric to full imbeciles. We can actually LOOK BACK AT HISTORY and see how petty the disgusting ROBBERY of filthy commies can get (see the tragedy of the kulaks jist as one example of many).
Also, you don't fucking know what rent-seeking actually is (no, it is not collecting rent for someone else to use your PRIVATE PROPERTY).

>>507549925
>OWNING THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY
How much of your stuff am I allowed to steal? After I do it, we can say it’s my private property, so there’s no harm in me selling it back to you. I mean, maybe it wasn’t mine to begin with, but once I have it, it’s mine, right? So it’s within my rights to sell it. And if you try to take it back, that violates my property rights.

Karl Marx was a dipshit but he got one thing very correct: “the history of wealth is written in letters of blood and fire”. The rich are rich today because of a multigenerational history of violence. “Primitive accumulation” is a myth. The Rothschilds didn’t get their money through simple hard work and savings you retard.

>>507549456
ayo you gots any dem pornos bout dat federal reserve yo?

>>507549252
It is what it is. It could be worse. It could be collectivism where the party takes control and you starve / are shot like a dog. If the socialists in my country are an example of what a little bit of socialism is. It's obvious that going full on is death.

>>507544717 (OP)
'toss does not miss

>>507547573
You either have a high-paying career, or you can't afford a rolls royce. The only way you afford a rolls royce on a McWagie salary is if you live with your parents and save up for 30 years.
Let's go over some numbers. It costs about $500k for a new rolls royce. So let's say you go to college and land a nice job paying $100k/year. That means it would take you like 6 years to save up enough for a rolls royce, assuming you spent zero dollars on anything except for taxes. So no eating, no paying rent, no paying off student loans - literally nothing. We're talking about if you saved 100% of your salary. It would still take over a half decade to save up that money.
It's simply not happening unless you're already rich. Rolls Royce is a car for rich people. You can't just save up and LARP as the kind of person who drives a rolls royce.

>>507545910
Beekeepers cultivate bees. Bees who are valuable to humans get a safe danger controlled habitat with no natural predators. They get to reproduce at rates vastly hire than if they were in nature. They don't have to compete with other species for resources.

Your analogy might still be apt but not in the way you expected.

Bees are all dying from threats introduced by modern humans. If we just ignored them they would be worse off. Of course you might say "we should grind industry to a halt to save the bees" but thanks to beekeeping we don't have to.

>>507550218
You are the one proposing to steal shit, you fucking idiot. You cannot even spew your own bullshit in a coherent manner.
Also, most (like 90%) intergenerational wealth is gone in like 3 generations. You are like a NIGGER making up excuses. And even then, if you wanted to take away anything from anyone with that retarded excuse, you would have to PROVE that their private property is not the result of voluntary exchange. Go ahead and try and you will realize you are just as delusional in 99.99% of cases as the NIGGERS CRYING FOR MUH REPARATIONS.
Again, why do you want to go the route that WE KNOW just brings misery, stealing from people that DID NOTHING WRONG instead of trying to destroy CENTRAL BANKING AND THE MONOPOLIZATION OF CURRENCY? Are you fucking STUPID or EVIL?

You know why I don't care about rich or poor people? Both are distracted by the numbers quantity game. If you're poor you're worried about not having enough quanities to pay the quantity man at the end of the month. You grind every day and try to save what you can only to have curveball after curveball knock the quantities down just enough to keep you down. The "curveballs" being your incessant want to become or destroy the rich guy one day. The only thing you really "learn" is how to manage quantities only you didn't start with the luck or the quantities rich guy had. You get "ahead" just in time to not enjoy it because now you're old and bitter from the time you wasted chasing money.

If you're rich your work becomes the quantities. You tell yourself "oh the quantities do the work for me, not the other way around", but I know and you know that's a load of horseshit. To maintain those quantities you have to be the miserly hawk watching over it and maintaining it constantly. You don't grow as a person and you don't learn anything new, you "live" a lavish lifestyle that you never really settle down into to enjoy because you constantly move and shake, pretty yourself up, having to meet insufferable people for meetings who can give you insight to investments you don't even really give a shit about. The only thing you "learn" is whatever you have the time and intelligence to even think about learning, which unfortunately doesn't give you many options since you only know how to count. You can try to make your hobby your job on the side but everyone else whose shoulders your stood on have more wisdom in making a product worth a piss. At least you'll be able to afford expensive aged alcohol to pass the time when you get old and can't enjoy anything else.

>>507550779
>You either have a high-paying career, or you can't afford a rolls royce. The only way you afford a rolls royce on a McWagie salary is if you live with your parents and save up for 30 years.

Good thing I never suggested that. "Work hard" doesn't mean "keep the same minimum wage job you got as a teenager your whole life."

>>507550302
Sure thing here you go.

>>507545910
>Their means of survival are illegal otherwise
>It's illegal to just build a house
>It's illegal to just go fish
>It's illegal to sell that fish on the street
However I agree with this sentiment. It's incredibly fucked up and antihuman; antilife even.

Every form of rule has its flaws. In the case of any form of anarchism or libertarianism, you run into the warlord problem, where someone who DOES enforce hierarchy will eventually subdue you with superior force and technology. You would lack the organization to counter them.

>>507550818
I'm trying to improve my persuasive writing and one thing that bothers me is people hyper-fixate on the bee analogy as if it's about literal bees and honey.

It's not about literal bees and honey.

Although bees certainly do produce honey in nature without the help of a beekeeper, you do know that right?

>>507550951
Keep reading, retard. I already addressed that.
Rolls Royce is a car for RICH people. Not wagies who went to college and got some mediocre stem job. Nobody who makes $100k/year is driving a Rolls Royce. That's a car for the top 1% of society. Not stemfags.

>>507545910
>workers are dumb as bees
legit marxist

>>507550928
You're alright, anon.

>>507547430
Shit roll

>>507551081
>Although bees certainly do produce honey in nature without the help of a beekeeper, you do know that right?
No shit. What's your point? There isn't enough natural honey to meet the demand for it. Animals thrive when they are useful to humans.

If you're worried about people hyperfixating on flimsy analogies then just don't use flimsy analogies.

>>507550983
That's the thing.
The people who are complaining about being exploited by the system are the vary same people that would be those warlords in a revolutionary setting.

The truth is that the proletariat isnt capable of governing itself let alone democratically voting on its government.

If anything the proletariat has to much authority and control over itself.

>>507551089
>Keep reading, retard. I already addressed that.
You already lost in those first two sentences. The "why don't you have your own Rolls Royce" bit was more a figure of speech than anything. I was asking why those other people couldn't afford better lifestyles like those other people could, and it's because they made bad life choices or they're dumb.

Same reason why the people in that panel showed up for work with dirty faces, messy hair and in patched up hoodies.

Henry George

>>507551081
It is about the retarded labor theory of value, particularly the Marxist notion of exploitation derived from it. Most people here know. It just happens that it is obviously a bunch of internally contradictory bullshit. Not that it would bother Marx, since he was a Hegelian, and Hegelians love contradictions because they are fucking egotistical idiots. Schopenhauer was right in hating Hegel, that dialetheist piece of shit that couldn't even fucking count the colors of the rainbow. Such delusional truly is borderline satanic.

>>507550928
Pretty insightful.
Overfixation on material noise is a curse.

>>507544717 (OP)
Slut.

>>507544717 (OP)
>ITT: art history majors bitch they can't get a job anywhere but Starbucks
yawn

>>507545675
skill issue (brown)

>>507551521
You sound like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

>>507544717 (OP)
FUCK.
BROWN.
PEOPLE.

>>507544717 (OP)
Capitalism is Jew's right hand.
Communism is Jew's left hand.

>>507545910
>Their means of survival are illegal otherwise
>It's illegal to just build a house
>It's illegal to just go fish
>It's illegal to sell that fish on the street
Not in Mexico. Hmm... maybe they should have stayed.

>>507551448
>The truth is that the proletariat isnt capable of governing itself let alone democratically voting on its government.
>If anything the proletariat has to much authority and control over itself.
Sure, democracy sucks. Republics, monarchies, and kritarchies are much more simple, because bad rulers can be isolated and replaced. Of course even those aren't perfect; ie when leadership becomes so entrenched it's untouchable by anyone except their personal guard.

Masses of people should not have democratic votes over issues they simply do not care about enough to have a valid opinion. Mainly because such apathetic people will be easily swayed by propaganda. Democracy thus becomes an illusion where your propagandists are your kings and judges.

I also think it's a matter of scale. A hundred little kingdoms vying for control over issues that affect their neighbors is bound to cause friction.

>>507546572
>socialist - fascist
Double retard

>>507545675
weird how me and all the white guys i know make over 150k a year

>>507551797
Fitting image, since (utopian) socialost were retarded enough to think other animals would evolve to have more human-like cognition ans join us in participating in labor and the economy at large (example: Charles Fourier). Socialists (of all kinds) have always been delusional midwits and evil retards.

>>507544717 (OP)

>>507548296
no you couldn’t. moving forward to try and thrust would move your ass away. i can tell you are non white due to having bad spatial awareness

>>507544717 (OP)
their money
their choice
if the uneducated brownies don't like it, they can look for another job. maybe burger flipping?

>>507551797
I accept your concession.

>>507544717 (OP)
I hate to say it, but all the modern RR models look fucking stupid. Either go 40s-60s for the year or don't bother.

>>507545675
>they never get tipped
Here’s a tip: stop blaming others for being poor

>>507544717 (OP)
capitalism is doing great

>>507549934
>P

>>507551081
At least use the correct memeflag.

>>507545910
terrible analogy because you obviously know nothing about beekeeping. I worked with my grand-dad who was a beekeeper for 60 years, and sure if you want one hive and nothing else (aka to be a poorfag) then you just let the bees do their thing. If you want to be anything other than a poorfag, you need
>hundreds if not thousands of hives
>multiple trucks and utes to move bees to chase honey flows
>deal with farmers to place hives on their property
>insurance to deal with theft/animals breaking hives
>knowledge of chemicals and pesticides to fumigate hives and prevent infestations without fucking up the health of the rest of your colonies
>industrial extraction equipment and the knowledge of how to maintain it and fabricate parts when something inevitably breaks
>thousands of 40 gallon drums to store extracted honey
>deal with suppliers to transport and sell your honey and wax
and that's not even going into the sheer amount of bullshit you have to comply with to meet health and safety regulations these days.
Even then, 8 out of 10 years you will make zero dollars in profit because you have droughts, floods, or major capital expenses. The two years you do make profit you'll make great money, aka high risk/high reward. Beekeeping is a dying industry because no one likes the risk level, the work is backbreaking, plus the costs of regulation are crippling (in an industry where the actual product is naturally sterile FFS). Pretty much all honey you buy from a shop is fake, it's about 30% chinese honey and 70% sugar water.

>the bees do all the work
I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from a retarded memeflag whose exposure to beekeeping likely consists of watching a youtube short of a flow hive lmao.

>>507551797
Idiot. People aren't materially equal. Do you want a pan-handler running the world? Everyone besides marxists have been overly benevolent. How do you not see this?

>>507556267
This kind of autism is why I need to think of a better analogy

Perhaps I should say they're wild bees, and it's a wild bear who comes and eats 95% of their honey.

>>507557078
It's just you think you're the analogous pig in animal farm. But, in reality, you're a duck.

>>507545675
>come into country illigally
>do slave labor while also abusing free programs
>get upset
I don't care

>>507544717 (OP)
Does someone has the meme that use this exact image but says:

Honey I hate niggers.
Omg I also hate niggers.
Rich people laughter
Niggers

>>507544717 (OP)
Communism is the same thing, except the rich people are state officials.

>>507544717 (OP)
No one cares about this bitch's comics or her shitty hot takes. All they care about is seeing her milf tits and vag.

https://coomer.su/onlyfans/user/pizzacakecomic

>>507545910
look at all the kikes trying to fight you. grim.

>>507546702

>>507557936

>>507557962

>>507548376
Just be yourself bro. It'll work out.

>>507544717 (OP)
liberals disgust me

>>507547517
You do realize that everyone understands this ideal is an inherent lie right? No one older than a child will buy into socialism. So since we all agree that you are willingly lying, the question is why, what do you have to gain from it?

>>507544717 (OP)
>thinking they are entitled to access to Whites and our culture
No. If you want to be part of our culture, you have to learn our language and be educated and honest. Lying scummy jews need not apply and should stay away from White children.

>>507557936
>>507557962
>>507558004
Thanks for saving the thread

>>507557078
To expand, the ducks were the most eager to signal-boost their pig masters every idea in the society that was quickly being destroyed when the pigs killed the farmer. I love birds and bird analogies. Several species of birds engage in a behavior known as mobbing, in which they drive out other species of bird by outnumbering them. Often, they are smaller birds pushing out bigger ones. I hope they don't win. The hawk is more majestic than the raven, who is mobbed, the raven more respectable than the blackbird, which is also mobbed.

>>507557726
holy pukeola
is this really all it takes to be constantly be trending on plebbit?

>>507544717 (OP)
capitalism has never been tried. We have Judaism, with a capitalist veneer.

>>507544717 (OP)
Maybe if they didn't import millions of brown people and deport the illegals they could collectively bargain for stronger worker rights.

>>507552066
The proletariat is just simply barbaric and cannot be trusted to run society in any form. Its completely useless to think otherwise. Its not about the failure of people who are given power. Its about the tyranny of the majority. The degenerate retarded nature of the mob.

>>507544717 (OP)
Notice the rich people are white and the workers are all browns. Remind me again how communism isn't about identity politics.

The wetbacks are here so that they DON'T have to pay minimum wage.
Silly wetbacks

>>507544717 (OP)
Imagine being too stupid to realize they imported the brown people to keep wages lower for white people.

>>507557936
>>507557962
>>507558004

>>507557847
Communism is kikes, his analogy is fucking retarded and so are.

>>507546774
>>507546212
>>507545910
Remember all Pajjeeets are memeflags until proven jews

>>507544717 (OP)
This comes off as more of a way for the artist to seethe about Whites than it is to critique the class wealth gap divide, like 99% of what communism revolves around off paper.
Pathetic anti-White ideology full of bitter butthurt losers of all colors seething about Whites.

>>507558004
That jeet is making the face they make when they find a huge, smelly pile of fresh cow poop

>>507544717 (OP)
That’s mom and dad and their three kids

>>507545585
I'M STARTING FROM THE MAAAAAN IN THE MIRROR
I'M ASKING HIM TO CHANGE HIS WAYS
HAVE CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS
AND NOT BELIEF IN ANY PRODUCT
IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE WORLD
A BETTER PLACE
TAKE A LOOK AT THE RICH
AND MAKE A CHANGE

>>507545910
You're right but this board became infested with magatard idiots.
The large corporations have regulated society so you can't even really start your own small business. You only get to choose a corporate overlord to surrender to.

>>507560245
Commies are always wrong.

>>507546006
>>507546212
Not only generational poverty but socioeconomic inequality begins before birth. Genetics have a huge effect on intelligence, physical health, mental health, etc. Further a woman's health prior to and during birth can permanently harm a child even things like dental disease, subpar nutrition, having a c-section, so on.
Children raised with formula instead of breast milk are at a permanent disadvantage in nearly all metrics too.

>>507547901
Nobody lets commercial fishing boats do that, they have to get a license just like you do before fishing and they have to follow certain guidelines for fishing so as to not bring fish species to extinction.

You fucking retard. I love the random dolphin guilt tripping while playing whataboutism despite the whataboutism being fucking false kek.

>But say it's illegal for me to catch 1 fish in the ocean and sell it on the street?
Its literally not and where I am at Chinese immigrants line the ocean every morning to catch fish and sell to stores. Only caveat, you have to have a license which costs like 20 dollars and requires a multiple choice test last time I checked

>>507558004
>>507560100
In fact, any anon who replaces the asses with big piles of shit, keeps the jeet face, the dick, and the cum streaks, and erases the background, maybe adds in a few cows in that space, will be a legend forever.

>>507546229
The commies I've met have generally been based because they're so disagreeable. Hasan for instance, I hate him, but at least he's not a total pussy. Dude will just play hamas propaganda on his fucking twitch stream and the pussy mods don't even ban him.

>>507547951
If you are 14 you shouldn't be here.

>>507560365
Nah, we just burn the whole comic.

>>507545910
>>507546774
>>507548704
>anime avatar faggot
You need to be 18 to post here

>>507560245
>corporations have regulated society
Corporations have literally zero authority to regulate citizens. As always with you fucking retarded commies, you see and issue and blame it on capitalism rather than the actual thing causes the issue. You think its this huge fucking system thats creating the issue.

I swear to fucking god. The government could make it illegal to buy/sell chocolate and you'd blame capitalism for not being able to buy chocolate.

>>507560312
You have never read any piece of marxist literature in your entire life. You don't even know what you're arguing against.

>>507559988
Why aren't these struck, jannies?

>>507560563
Corporations bribe the shit out of politicians dude are you fucking retarded?
Campaign donations, lobbying, straight up bribes. They do this for all levels of politics, judges, etc.
Even just documented lobbying by healthcare insurance providers was in excess of 150m last year, in reality they're giving out way more in bribes.

>>507560630
I've just read history books. So, there's no need.

>>507549436
>their own private property rights

You are retarded, that's not what is meant with "abolishment of private ownersip", are you wilfully ignorant or just stupid my dude?

>>507544717 (OP)
one of the most powerful webcomics i have ever had the honour of reading

>>507546212
investing would be fine if you had to use money not credit to do so
if you invest 10 gold coins and that investment fails, that money is relocated into the economy and its just your loss
Instead firms invest billions of fake money that when it goes south, banks decide to wipe that debt, but instead of allocating money from them into the system they just print more making everyone else poorer but them

>>507560630
Aside from that I've heard the testimony of those that escaped communism.

>>507561009
>investing would be fine if you had to use money not credit to do so

BRO, CAPITALISM WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS NO CORRUPTION AND LAWS WERE UPHELD

>>507561030
You really haven't.
The vast majority of eastern europeans now have a measure of comparison and a fuller historical spectrum than the average sheltered american. You are just a dumb boy who should lurk more in life.

>>507544717 (OP)
literally jews & illegals

>>507561009
>>507561075
My issue with your claim is that you think massive wealth inequality can coexist with an uncorrupted government. It cannot. If sufficient wealth inequality exists, the politicians will be bribed to exacerbate that wealth inequality. You need massive amounts of socialism you devolve into the contemporary USA.

>>507559988
Tranny jannies are going to beat their load to cuck porn and then realize what they've done. Be utterly ashamed and delete irrelevant pornograoghy.

>>507560688
>corporations bribe the shit out of politicians
Then what happens?

You're going to pretend like this is a issue with capitalism yet again rather than acknowledge both the drug dealer and the drug addict are equally at fault for their situation.

Rather than say "hey yeah, maybe democracy is a bad govermental system" its "omg the entire economic system of exchanging goods and services for currency for thousands and thousands of years has to end now"

>>507560245
This is loser talk. New business owners appear every day. Successful people appear every day. A man who doesn't make excuses and doesn't quit like a fucking bitch is one who becomes well off. Commies and socialists entire ideology boils down to "it's not FAIIIIIIRRRR-UH!" and the resolution they offer is to make everyone just as broke and miserable as they are, because misery loves company.

>>507560705
>>507561030
You don't even realize that Marxism doesn't prescribe the transition to communism with any concrete time frame. It just states that when you reach a sufficient level of resource abundance it becomes a logical conclusion. It even says that capitalism is a natural step to get rapid improvement in production. The critiques inherent in marxism have nothing to do with the implementation in communism. You are uneducated. Why do you think Stalin killed Trotsky? You cannot know that much about history if you lack this information as it's required to properly understand the entirety of the USSR and thus the vast majority of 20th century history.

Seriously, how is this relevant to the conversation?

>>507560465
Jeet afraid of seething and roping, suggests we "burn" the image file hosted on a Mongolian shrimp farming website.

>>507561465
I work in an industry where regulation is so tight you literally cannot compete with the businesses here. There are a few players and there will probably never be another competitor due to it.

>>507561425
>rather than acknowledge both the drug dealer and the drug addict are equally at fault for their situation.

Amd this is the crux of this whole argument.
Do you really think that? Do you really believe this statement?

>>507561257
>socalism will make the goverment less corrupt
Please explain this in detail. It seems you want to raise taxes and make the government even wealthier than it already is and you think this will make politicians less corrupt?

>noooo the government is corrupt
>I know lets make the government creating bureaucratic bullshit for literally everything larger and more powerful!

80IQ or brainwashed by the CCP to believe everything bad = capitalism. Pick one.

>>507561529
Fuck you, gooner.

>>507561559
Yes I truly believe this statement.

Do you truly believe drug addicts are all innocent little retards tricked by the evil drug dealers into doing meth?

>>507561565
>Please explain this in detail. It seems you want to raise taxes and make the government even wealthier than it already is and you think this will make politicians less corrupt?
Yes. If the average person is healthy, happy, productive and educated they will be better able to root out corruption from their lives. When you make people choose between employment and healthcare, their children being on the street and their job, they will naturally be easier to corrupt.

>>507561538
Wow sounds like a issue with government regulations and not capitalism at all. Did you know in communist Russia, they literally murders all of their most competent farmers. Oh but thats all cool because socialism!

>>507561504
>You are uneducated.
Please tell me why sacrificing every part of my identity for a party that hates me and wants me dead is beneficial to me?

>>507561504
>It even says that capitalism is a natural step to get rapid improvement in production

It's a historically unprecedented production mode, nothing makes it any more natural than the invention of the personal computer.

And don't say "marxism".

200+ replies to a 1pbtid memeflag bait post

we did it, reddit!

>>507561685
>If the average person is healthy, happy, productive and educated
You just described every corrupt elite rich person to ever exist. You are truly fucking retarded and belong to permanently be stuck in the lowest of the low class.
>they will root out corruption
Ah yes, as budha said, first you need billions of dollars and good health to reach enlightenment.
>When you make people choose between employment and healthcare, their children being on the street and their job, they will naturally be easier to corrupt.
This is not a choice anyone working in goverment has to worry about and yet, they're corrupt.

>>507561695
You're not sacrificing anything you dumb-dumb, you are shedding your ideological and consumer illusions and become a conscious part of your workers brethren and you should be PROUD you are part of the makers of the wealth of this world instead of its usurpers and there is no party to bring this consciousness forward, there is only one big-ass world division that is real and material and affable and can't be overcome with yoga and praying.

>>507548296

>>507561504
being a communist is a natural step in becoming retarded - me
See I said it so it must be true. It was in a book. Must be true. In any case this proves that you are retarded or going to be.

>>507561695
Democrats are not marxists.
Nothing in what Marx wrote is anti-white, at all.
Even what the "cultural marxists" wrote is essentially fan fiction. It's a horrible name for what they believe. Go read what Marx wrote and come to your own conclusions. I don't agree with all of it but some of the ideas were very interesting.
What I see from neoliberals & magatards is mostly save a nickel spend a dime thinking. If you try to not provide sufficient medical care, what happens is this person probably becomes fully disabled. Same for education, you don't train them to work a high margin position, the entirety of society suffers while they're stuck in low margin work. Your tax revenue goes down, you have higher expenses caring for them later, etc.
It makes sense to have a socialist program as it relates to healthcare, education, and partially housing because because you're allowing commerce to be done more efficiently in other areas rather than enabling massive amounts of rent-seeking behavior. They will pay more in taxes, use less in benefits, and the employers benefit from more efficient, productive workers.

>>507552296
you just move the portal closer

>>507561744
Checked. But commies insist on being fought on every level. If it isn't words it's violence. If it's due process they'll fight the institution doing it. They only exist to disrupt social order. They should be removed to establish peaceful order.

>>507561968
Why do you worship Marx like its gospel?

Why do you worship "education" while pretending to be a supporter of the working class. In your vision of society will anyone have to be a janitor or will janitors just be so well educated that they can enjoy cleaning up shit and vomit?

>>507561968
>democrats are not marxists
They're socialists. Same shit really. Again, OP's picture even admits they see the rich as white and the poor as browns.

>>507561959
Why are you still assuming I even agree with the eventual transition to communism? I don't. I only want the partial nationalization of industries where rent-seeking or anti-social behavior occurs at the expense of the rest of the economy. There's no reason to socialize TV manufacturers, however America has no modern semiconductor manufacturing capacity. That's an actual national security issue that requires government intervention.

>>507561959
Well according to you you must be a communist already OR a good troll, seeing how you take gdp maps both at face value AND trust this marker to be the be all-end all of prosperity, you absolute dense motherfucker. I bet you say in 4chan that "I don' t vote for nobody, everybody sucks" but then your ears get coddled a bit too much and you end uo voting in every election, mid-terms and locals included. Am I right? Do the fancy-looking people on tv know what to say to make you go out and vote?

why is /pol/ nothing but bait and shitposts

>>507562154
Your entire image can be said about the hundreds of thousands of people denied healthcare by United every year who die as the CEO collected a $35m+ salary.
Inequality to that level is immoral in all systems.

>>507561075
>capitalism is a governmental system
Incorrect. Perhaps a better argument to make is democracy is bad. Or perhaps particular laws are bad. Nope, you just choose to be retarded and claim existence, nature and reality are evil.

>>507561959
Have you considered that every country on that map has an apocalyptically low birth rate and they're just staving off economic collapse through mass immigration? Obviously none of these systems are maintainable.

>>507562080
Who will look after your parents when they are older and frail?

>>507548187
people don't blame them, that's the issue, they blame you, so you better learn fast and not come up with dumb shit like "well I obey the law cause if not all the fish would be gone"

>>507559988
Jannies just keep cuck pornography up for (((no reason))).

>>507562172
>why are you assuming
Perhaps because you never said that. You never said your issue is with democracy but capitalism. You expressly stated that your issue is with capitalism. Nationalized industries is still capitalism.

>>507562185
Because it's made of angry low IQ people.

>>507544717 (OP)

>le white people bad
>Le poor immigrants good
>Capitalism is le cooked!
>1pbtid
>Meme flag

>>507562277
Capitalism does come with parliamentsry democracy, a system of political power thay first appeared at the tippingng point when capitalism was breaking out of its shell as the dominant system.

>>507562377
>Nationalized industries is still capitalism.

Correct.

>>507562184
>because GDP isn't always the best indicator of success its never a good indicator for anything
Classic shill bullshit. You're getting very good at this. You hear 4chan is full of national socialists then pretend that the term socialist meant the same as the modern retarded socialist/communist shit.


Oh btw, GDP per capita is a pretty good inductor of quality of life. No, even now eastern Europe has a shit quality of life outside of the major cities that embraced capitalism.

>>507545585
Because they willingly work in near slave conditions to get paid in cash under the table.

>>507562073
Literally has nothing to do with what I said and is just more trite fodder to continue OP's meaningless thread, good work

>>507562229
>Your entire image can be said about the hundreds of thousands of people denied healthcare
No it really can't.

>inequality is immoral
What a retarded world view.

>>507562517
>ad hominem
>axiomatic statements

Haha, that's nice bro

>>507562080
You'd automate the job of janitor where possible.
You'd treat people who do this work with respect & dignity. Why wouldn't you? Why shouldn't janitors be paid enough to survive? Wouldn't it be great if less people had to sweep?
It's already the case that farming has actually become a very skilled & highly educated profession leveraging advanced tech, experts on statistics, etc. This will happen for most of those professions. Instead of relying on abused 3rd world labor you'd either automate the work, or remove the industry if it is truly unnecessary and exploitative such as organized prostitution.

>>507562366
Me, thats why people have children.

>>507562527
The taxpayer pays benes like EBT so the economy works for the immigrant. Jews (tyrants) love the alien.

>>507562424
China is doing better than the US in all metrics that matter

50% is communist state-run industry

The other 50% is private

Housing costs 5-10% of median wage

Food is similarly cheaper compared to median wage

Virtually no homeless despite having 1.4 billion

USA could house the entire population for free with 10% of their military budget, not just the homeless but all 340 million

>>507562517
GDP is just the velocity of money

If I pay you $20 to eat shit and you pay me $20 to eat shit, we increased GDP by $40

>>507560712
Let’s cut through the bullshit. The Marxist distinction between “personal” and “private” property is a rhetorical scam, nothing more than a motte-and-bailey propped up by a category error. They act like it’s about how things are owned (individual vs collective), but define it by what is owned, specifically, whether something is used as a “means of production” or involved in what they arbitrarily call exploitation.

They’ll say, “we’re not coming for your toothbrush,” then turn around and redefine your tools, spare room, or personal laptop as “private property” the moment it’s used in any productive or contractual arrangement. Hire someone to edit a video on your laptop? Now it’s part of the capitalist machine. The object didn’t change. The definition did (conveniently).

This is kike-tier tactical ambiguity. Every Marxist regime has “reinterpreted” what counts as private property. The Soviets went after family farms and tools. Mao seized backyard kilns and sewing machines. Venezuela nationalized bakeries and kiosks. The supposed line between personal and private property never holds. It’s not meant to. It’s a smokescreen to reassure useful idiots until the purge list gets to their door.

And don’t fall for “that’s not what is meant by abolishing private property.” Marx wasn’t vague. The goal is abolition of individually controlled productive assets. The rest is optics.

Marxism doesn’t respect autonomy. It replaces consent and ownership with forced collectivization and semantic shell games. If you want to live communally, do it on your own dime. Just stop pretending that abolishing private ownership isn't exactly what it is: coercive seizure and central control dressed up as moral progress.

>>507561927
LMAO
Ok, species-being retard.
Fucking bug "people" I swear.
You are as retarded as the utopian socialists who thought animals would be helping us with domestic chores like demihuman imps and shit (see Charles Fourier, another retarded socialist).

>>507562323
Have you considered the idea that communism is a backwards retarded concept that has no functional way to actually be implemented without a lot of death and destruction?

Also did you happen to see the date the data was collected.

A follow up question, are you paid by the CCP to try and destabilize the west with niggers?

>>507562599
Ted was talking about democrat cucks. Commies are politically incorrect to the extreme. Hasan (who I don't like) runs fucking hamas ads on twitch and laughs at the mods and calls them losers while they give him a one day ban. You can hate them for other reasons but this is not valid criticism and you are conflating separate groups in your head.

>>507562669
>state-run industry
>communist

A contradiction

China is capitalist

>>507562669
>communism is when everyone works in factories as debt slaves for rich billionaire CEO's
50 cent army?

>>507544717 (OP)

>poors jealous because other people have it better than them
>EAT THE RICH
insufferable.

>>507562596
It's the reason to respond to commie bait. To remind them how wrong they are. Plenty of stupid people believe their rhetoric and they're always recruiting.

>>507562669
China isn't real commie but yeah. China is improving, the USA has been in decline for 40 years. Extrapolate the info. Something has to change in the USA. Magatards are just wrong about what the source of the issue is. At least they aren't as stupid as neoliberals who think doing the same shit gets the same result most of the time.

>>507562727
China is literally doing better than you and it's communist

>>507562754
>>507562773
Literally the "that's not real communism" argument in reverse

>>507562710
>whether something is used as a “means of production”

Exactly.


>in what they arbitrarily call exploitation.

Well then if it's arbitrary to you, can you define exploitation? Do you think it exists at all?

>>507545585
Because of white supremacy

>>507562827

>>507562727
I am anti-immigration and so long as the financial incentive exists to exploit illegal or legal immigrants the immigration will not stop.

>>507549008
This.
Most of them wouldn't be able to afford those expensive shit heap cars if they couldn't exploit cheap foreign labor.

>>507562424
His ideas did bring prosperity to the (((International Bankers))) as they asset stripped the middle class..

>>507562935
Such a convenient boogeyman, isn't it?

>>507562848
Fuck off, chink.

>>507562710
Communists fail to realize that society is built on food/water/shelter. Literally every thing else is merely a hobby for lack of a better term. Music, computers, boats, airplanes, radio, medicine. It was all built and done as a hobby. Humans decided to start researching the human body because they were disgusting perverts who wanted to fuck corpses.

Each according to their needs? its just such a retarded view of society and its purpose. A communist believes society exits for the sole purpose of ensuring humans survive as if we are about to be eliminated by aliens.

>>507557936
>>507557962
>>507558004
>terrible taste in art
>meme flag
>zoomer
Never post again please.

>>507562848
Why reverse? If it's not worker-controlled, it is not communism. Simple as that. What don't you understand? How more can I break it down for you? Are the factories ran by the people working in them? Yes or no? Simple question that requires but a simple answer.

>>507562736
>commies are different guys
No he was specifically talking about leftists. He uses the term leftists and discusses retarded communists such as yourself.

>>507544717 (OP)
why are their noses so small?

507563043

Do not reply to the retard

>>507562848
>china is doing better than you
Observable incorrect, as even in the current shitty state of America I can still see I'm a lot better off than a Chink. Even just the fact I was born white makes me superior.

>>507550928
Amen brother.
I only want enough money to keep myself comfortable and to have a nice fund for emergencies.

MOOODS

>>507562966
>financial incentive exists to exploit
This is not the actual reason for immigration, if it were the jews wouldn't push propaganda on white people to prevent them from having children.

No, its not le capitalism. Its just white genocide.

>>507562865
I already provided several REAL LIFE examples of how it has been arbitrary in every single commie shithole.

Exploitation has more than one meaning, some benign (exploiting a resource you own) and others rather evil (such as exploiting the idiocy of teenagers and young adults to push Marxist bullshit).

>>507563218
The fuck are you even crying for?

>>507563357
>exploiting a resource you own

Including labour?

>mentioning Mao, parties etc.

*taps the sign* ----->>>507563082

>>507563153
Look at the slope of the function not the fixed point data.
>>507563232
>This is not the actual reason for immigration
They also import immigrants to prevent the formation of unions, Amazon has done studies on this, diverse workplaces are less likely to unionize

>>507544717 (OP)
what does the image have to do with capitalism? is this a japan specific cartoon?

>>507544717 (OP)
According to gommies only the Chairman of People's Commissariat - like comrade Lenin - can have a Rolls Royce. He can have seven of them actually kek.

>>507563433
Are you working in unison with the retard or are you the same poster under different vpns/ips?

>>507563422
>but real communism
Fuck off, kike.

>>507563043
They are fucking evil subhumans that would justify boiling babies alive (like Shining Path did) just to not eat crow and accept their status as either chuunibyou midwits or resentful retards.

>>507561744
I think Mr. Anarchocap might be OP. The fact they their bother flaggots makes me suspicious, and it would be useful in making OP creature the illusion of numbers when all he's got is a VPN.

>>507563433
>They also import immigrants to prevent the formation of unions
They also import immigrants literally because they want to over run European people with shitskins as they hate them and believe they are the people that have been biblically prophesied to genocide them. A self fulfilling prophecy it would seem.

>>507552605
HELLO OBVIOUS JEW.

>>507563501
Simple question, my retard friend. Judt a simple question.

>>507563573
Oh, you're becoming more jewish as the conversation continues, that's amazing.

>>507563422
is all labor exploitation in your eyes. If I as a plumber agree to work on your house for x amount am I being exploited or am I exploiting the homeowner?

>>507563668
It's only a simple question. Why don't you answer it?

*taps sign*----->>>507563082

>>507563422
>Including labour?
Yes, and you can exploit your own labor by either working for your own project or by selling your own labor in a contractual and voluntary manner. You should try it some time, instead of doing retarded mental gymnastics to justify stealing (and even murder) on a mass scale like some giga-niggerkike.

>muh real communism
I guess Lenin was the greatest capitalist of all time with the NEP, next to Deng and his agricultural decollectivization lmao.
Seriously, kys.

>>507563701
>a resource YOU OWN

There is a distinct difference

>>507544717 (OP)
fuck money i'll die for israel

>>507563701
Worker getting paid is fine

If even $0.01 of the value you generate goes to someone who did nothing productive and generated no value, such as a shareholder, creditor, overpaid exec, or rent-seeking property owner, then it's exploitation.

>>507563771
>or by selling your own labor

Oh how nice!!! Isn't that nice to be free to sell your own labour?? How nice!!@@

>>507544717 (OP)
This isn't capitalism

>>507563874
>real capitalism hasn't been tried

>>507563778
>A resource you own
The plumber doesn't own the house and bought his tools. If he's installing a sink the home owner bought the sink. Not his resource. He is raising these peoples property value but only getting cash? How is that not exploitation? And what about the plumbers assistant who doesn't really know the job, gets paid less to learn but also gets access to all of this plumbers client base, tool kits and knowledge. Is that assistant being exploited?

>>507563832
>Isn't that nice to be free to sell your own labour?
This is the average commie complaining about employment like the lazy and evil pieces of shit they are.
You should elevate your mind (if you have one) away from class consciousness and into a bit of self-awareness, moron.

>>507563734
Look, the communist experiment has never been beneficial to the people as it has been tried all over the world. It only ends up in commies portraying their cities as perfect while hiding the dead bodies in the crawlspace.

>>507563824
How do you determine if someone is doing value. I know plenty of people that do maybe 15 minutes of real work a day yet get paid by the boss anyway. Is this exploitation of our rich billionaire boss?

>>507563939
Not what I mean and you know it so cut the bull.
The peruANO said "a resource you own", the question being if a big production unit or business had hundreds of workers under it, is that labour owned by the owners of that business?

>>507552296
dicklet cope

>>507563981
And you should actually try waged work OR not being a boot-licking worm

>>507564026
Accounting for a worker slacking off requires nuance

A position such as shareholder is inherently by definition solely exploitative, its entire existence is actually just stealing value generated by workers

>>507563932
They do this all the time.
I'll be the first to say there is no "real" version of capitalism or socialism and both will fail in an unstable undeveloped society however magatards and neoliberals can't do this.
>>507563996
Command economy has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty in China. Nearly all countries with significant semiconductor manufacturing capacity had aspects of a command economy to make it happen. Private industry in the USA is not competitive.
The US gov that won the ww2 and established a century long empire & unprecedented economic prosperity was implementing many socialist policies (new deal). Even Nixon was setting price ceilings on goods, establishing the EPA, etc.

>>507563832
How is being a plumbing contractor not selling your own labor? All you're doing is removing the middle man? Is it exploitation if I join a plumbing company that connects me to clients so I don't have to manage estimate meetings, clientele calls, tax filing and more?

>>507563824
>rent-seeking property owner
Either you don't know what rent-seeking means or you are trying to make people mistake "rent-seeking" for "expects the mutually agreed payment for the usufruct of his property" (those are not the same thing)

>>507564118
No, I am accounting for a worker slacking off.
If you aren't letting your colleagues carry the weight or, worse, endangering them, sit your ass down if you can get away with it.

>>507564103
>devolves into empty insults when exposed
Typical Marxist scum.

>>507564066
>it doesn't count on a smaller scale
What? Why?
>is that labor owned by the owners of that business
Define owned, the owner of the business owns the final product. The workers own their labor, they get paid for it.

>>507564199
They are the same thing though

>>507564215
It's fucking stupid. Selfish people telling you to work slower so you get more hours. There isn't any greater good, just people trying to get theirs.

>>507564264
Hey partner, here>>507563981
>average commie complaining about employment like the lazy and evil pieces of shit they are.

Try getting a job sometime, maybe it will change your mind. And owning a bodega isn't a job.

>>507564118
Not true traditionally. Share holders were just public go fund me's only the people funding projected were incentivized by owning shares of the products they were funding.

Hello, I'm your neighbor. You're a poor retarded faggot but I offer build you a green house, in exchange I get to take 5% of the peppers you grow every year. Why is this wrong? Without me you'd never have a green house, you'd never have any peppers at all.

>>507564283
>What? Why?

Because most workers are doing unskilled labour since the 1910s.

>>507564283
>The workers own their labor, they get paid for it.

Sounds brilliant on paper, doesn't it?

>>507564393
Maybe you should spend less time on your tranny discord and raiding 4chan and more time lying on your resume to get a job.

>>507564390
Yeah, I wonder how this comes about in a fair and balanced system such as capitalism!

>>507564492
>Because most workers are doing unskilled labour since the 1910s.
I disagree, especially since China started taking those jobs.

>on paper
No in real life, they get paid for their labor in time. How is that exploitation. What communists propose is that workers are entitled to the products of their labor. Complete bullshit and retarded.

>>507564492
They have every opportunity to turn their work into an entrepreneurship. They usually don't. They need the steady pay and benefits instead of the risk of going on their own.

>>507544717 (OP)
Wumao thread.

>>507564526
Seethe you dense motherfucker. You brick for brains.

>>507564459
lmao, that is not at all how it works out in real life

>5%

FOR HOW MANY OF THE INVESTORS? ALL OF THEM? HOW ABOUT THE CEO WAGES? REINVESTMENT CAPITAL?

>>507564643
Well, you disagree because you don't know any history as is apparent throughout this thread

>>507564459
>Without me you'd never have a green house, you'd never have any peppers at all.

Wow that's a super fucking retarded system, maybe you should get rid of it

Why can't I build my own house or start my own business?

Oh yeah because you make it illegal without gorillions of dollars and infinity regulations

I can't just go grow some peppers and sell them on the street

OH WAIT YES I COULD, IF IT WASN'T ILLEGAL

>>507564643
>What communists propose is that workers are entitled to the products of their labor. Complete bullshit and retarded.

Didn't I say you're a troll?

>>507564297
Alright, this should be enough even for the most economically illiterate tankie:

“Rent-seeking” ≠ “getting rent.”
They sound similar, but they’re categorically different.

Economists refer to an economic rent as a return to the owner of a resource in excess of what might be expected under normal competition. “Rent-seeking” means using political power (not market power) to rig the rules in your favor. This could be lobbying for a law that blocks competitors, securing a monopoly, or getting subsidies at taxpayer expense. You're redistributing it toward yourself by force or favoritism.

>Example: A taxi union bribing officials to ban Uber is rent-seeking.

“Getting rent” for your property is normal market exchange.
You own something, land, a house, a tool, a machine, and someone else wants to use it. You let them, in exchange for a voluntarily agreed payment. That’s not parasitic. That’s literally how civilized trade works. No coercion, no cheating, just mutual benefit.

>Example: Renting your spare apartment to someone who agrees to pay $X/month? That’s not rent-seeking. That’s consensual exchange.

Here’s the core difference:

Rent-seeking = “I want money for blocking others or gaming the system.”

Collecting rent = “I want money because I let you use something I own.”

If your brain is still fogged by dialectical fumes:
Rent-seeking is theft through politics.
Rent (as in rent from property) is trade.

And if you try to twist this into "all private property is theft," congratulations, you just confused having something with stealing something, which says more about your ideology than it does about economics. It also says a lot about how evil and/or stupid you are.

>>507564682
>5%
In this instance I was the only investor.
Fine, everyone on block chips in to build the neighbor a green house. They all want 5% of the harvest. The owner agrees and 40% of his harvest is spread among his community. How is this inherently bad. In communism the guy just gets a gun pointed at his head and is told to produce peppers for the communist and he only gets to keep 1%.

>>507564817
Blah blah blah

I do genuinely work hard, want to better my family, want to better my community, and want to better my country.
In capitalism it will coincidentally improve these things, but sometimes not. The incentive for a corporation in capitalism is to dump chemicals if it's cheaper when they can get away with it. It makes no moral prescriptions whatsoever.
We can at least all concede some level of socialist policy is required for society to function:
>EPA
>public education
>healthcare for pregnant women
>shared transportation infrastructure such as freight rail, roads, etc.
Decide how much you want. The more I looked into healthcare I realized there is no way to deny someone healthcare and not reduce their worked hours. When you deny someone healthcare, you are effectively removing someone from the workforce sooner than necessary. It's also far more expensive to treat cancer than prevent it.
The problem is the modern (democrat) retard left think paying some guy to jerk off and study gender studies for 4 years is good. It's not. It should pay off for society as a whole.

>>507544717 (OP)
Even if you gave those brownoids more money they would still be assholes.

>>507564890
Like the eternally projecting Marxoids say: read a book (nigger).

>>507564761
>Why can't I build my own house or start my own business?
Because you're too busy working another job to have time to dedicated to building a green house or learning how to build one.

>Why can't I start my own business
You literally can you fucking retard.
>you need a billion dollars to start a business
Is this why the broke a shit immigrants in my area all own restaurants? No, they get loans from the bank.

>regulations are the fault of capitalism
Mr. Wumao, China is filled with regulatory bureaucratic bullshit

>>507564823
>>507564823
>everyone on block chips in to build the neighbor a green house. They all want 5% of the harvest. The owner agrees and 40% of his harvest is spread among his community.

See you ARE a troll and I must say a good one. You described a voluntary agreement within a community, that is communism.

>In feudalism the guy just gets a gun pointed at his head and is told to produce peppers for the communist and he only gets to keep 1%.

>>507564817
100% of all land is owned

Anywhere I go to live is trespassing

I literally have to physically exist somewhere

You are requiring me by law to pay insane prices to live on "your" land, because me setting up a $400 yurt on some land no one is using is illegal

It's literally more exploitative than feudalism

>>507564797
This is quit literally what communist propose. Communists don't want to negotiate wages for their work, they want to own the product of their work.

>>507565064
Yes. And?

>>507565013
>You described a voluntary agreement within a community,
No I described the stock market, you;re just so fucking retarded and illiterate that you actually can't tell me the difference between publicly traded companies and people owning the means of production.

P.S. co-ops exist in America.

>>507565099
Its retarded and unethical as we've already discussed.

>>507565052
>Anywhere I go to live is trespassing
Incorrect. you only trespass on land someone owns and its only an issue if they explicitly state no trespassers. In federally owned lands you can literally trespass for two weeks at a time, take a single day off then spend another two weeks there indefinitely. This is what I did when I was homeless.

>>507565052
>because me setting up a $400 yurt on some land no one is using is illegal
Then what are you doing complaining about capitalism instead of the state imposing such laws with no alternative? Come the fuck on.

I will use the rest of this post to shit on Mandel's "proof" of the labor theory of value.

Mandel tries to “prove” the labor theory of value using a reductio ad absurdum: imagine a fully automated society where no human labor exists. Since production would no longer generate income and products would still be made, yet no one would have money to buy them, value would supposedly vanish. Therefore, he concludes, human labor must be the source of value.

Preliminaries: even now we have mostly automated factories. Suppose all firms in a sector go fully automated. Intermediate goods go in, consumer goods come out—no labor involved—yet the final products still have prices and exchange value. That alone pokes a hole in the premise.

The logical critique is where Mandel gets nuked. His form is:
¬T ¬V (no labor, no value)
He flips that into T V (labor implies value), thinking he's proven the labor theory.
But that’s a textbook denial of the antecedent fallacy.
“If I help you with physics, you’ll pass” “You failed, so I must not have helped.”
Wrong. You could’ve just sucked or studied on your own.
Even if no labor means no value, that doesn’t prove labor creates value, let alone that abstract labor time determines exchange value.

Then there’s the economic critique. Mandel assumes general automation = superabundance = zero value. But abundance isn’t guaranteed just because robots make stuff. Scarce inputs can still limit supply. And even with full automation, scarcity can remain. Suppose a basic income exists, distribution happens via vending systems, and prices emerge via supply-demand competition. No labor involved, yet prices (hence exchange values) still emerge.

The labor theory fails. At best, he proves labor can be involved in value creation.

>>507564797
Go buy the owner's tools. Design your own shit. The means of production are available. If it's a salable of idea you get grants. The socialists in my country exploit this.

>>507562527
>willingly
There are stupid, low IQ people. There are people who were raised in awful conditions, mentally ill, etc. To leftists, the argument "LOL just become a CEO and get paid LOL" sounds retarded. Frankly, this argument IS retarded. In capitalism, there will always be someone who got the short end of the stick and gets a shit life for one reason or another, that's the thing they supposedly want to fix.

The core of communism is "I want to be the elite"

>>507565449
If they want to fix it, they should use THEIR OWN FUCKING RESOURCES to do so and encourage like-minded individuals to do the same voluntarily instead of advocating for mass stealing like a bunch of niggers.

>>507565201
That's just something you posited lol

>>507565538
Oops, you're wrong there, mass stealing hapoens by the owners, not the creators of the wealth

>>507565482
That's actually the core of capitalist doctrine. Everybody here encourages you to become a CEO or an owner.