>We should increase the base salaries of <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled> job to become something people can live off
NO!! If you want to make money study, go to trade school, get a real job, those are not meant to be well paid jobs anyway, the fucking entitlement of some people.

>Immigrants start to fill up <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled>
NO!!, Dirty immigrants taking Jobs from American, I hope they all get deported!!

>Immigrants start to get deported, bosses bemoan how this only hurts the industry cause no one else wants to do <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled>
Fucking Democrats rooting for slave labor, OF course no one wants to do <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled> job cause it pays like shit, when those pay properly, Americans will fill all vacancies

>Ok then, We should increase the base salaries of <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled> job to become something people can live off...


Disclaimer: There is 1 state that is close to find a solution that do contradict itself, Florida.
The Solution: Bring Back Child Labor.

Lincoln was a traitor to Andrew Jackson, and thus to America. You are now living in what is essentially a communist Taiwan.

>>507564047
the welsh a traitor to the Irish Republic

we love America. the Confederacy was wrong, but they were still Americans. they deserved to be beaten, and they deserve to be remembered.

>>507564379
>and they deserve to be remembered.
>loser deserve a participation trophy.
Again, Republican "Logic" makes NO SENSE to me

>>507564436
there were moments of great heroism and tenacity among the Confederate army. there were acts of great personal sacrifice among the Confederate people. all of them Americans. we remember them because we love this country and we love Americans.

>>507564590
>there were moments of great heroism and tenacity among the Confederate army.
Loser still a loser.
yuo dont see use celebrate "Moments of great herism and tenacity among the British Army"

The Lincoln myth is dying
I know this frightens you, your entire neolib world view was tied up in his tyrannical, Daddy Government rule. If people stop believing the hype and realize how much shit he burdened us with, they won't just gobble down your bullshit anymore. It must be scary to have to see that incoming and feeling like nothing you do is going to stop it, but you're just going to have to accept that.
Brace for the impact and pray to God that it doesn't snap your little faggot neck when it hits. You're on the outs pal, but if you play it smart, you might be able to still be alive by the times it's all over. At least you can live out the rest of your worthless tranny life quietly in some forgotten corner before eht AIDS finally takes you.

>>507564677
the British are not Americans.

>>507564907
Americans were British before being Americans.

>>507563942 (OP)
>NO!!, Dirty immigrants taking Jobs from American, I hope they all get deported!!
Fuck brownoid scum, I don't want any of them in this country and don't want to rely on brown slave-wage labor for anything. Fuck you for insisting that they're necessary.

>>507565031
>and don't want to rely on brown slave-wage labor for anything

why dont we then increase the base salaries of <Insert any tedious and/or physically demanding yet relatively unskilled> job to become something people can live off??

>>507565024
and the British were never Americans and never became Americans. which is why we can intellectually recognize their ability as soldiers and great deeds in history, but don't particularly care to celebrate or commemerate them.

>>507564907
The colonists were Americans. It's stupid that we ignore the first 160 years of our history because we beat the British in a war.

>>507565118
we are the descendents of the colonists. we are not the descendents of the British Army that fought against our Founding Fathers.

>>507565180
Colonist were still British.

Jewish D&C thread
You're about to hand the world to Israel by attacking Iran. Americans must unite with the left against ZOG NOW.

>>507563942 (OP)
>Lincoln's war enemy
Lincoln wanted to deport niggers back to Africa

>>507565509
who became Americans. if you live America then you will love Americans, and you will love the people who gave birth to America.

>>507563942 (OP)
The people you describe are retards but they're also accidentally correct. If you control immigration and industries start crying that they can't get staff then they have no choice but to raise wages (if those jobs are genuinely necessary). There's no need to government intervention and imposing a minimum wage.

>>507563942 (OP)
If you do not have a National Socialist perspective, you are retarded and shilled by Jews. Hitler said himself that one party plays the establishment as one plays the opposition, then they switch every election cycle to trick the populace that now change will come. It never does, we march further into complete Jewish and elitist control.

>>507565180
>we are not the descendents of the British Army that fought against our Founding Fathers
Kek. You’d be surprised. A lot of them never went home. Check your family tree.

>>507565825
>If you control immigration and industries start crying that they can't get staff then they have no choice but to raise wages
or, hear me out, American are ignorant of the cogs that keep their machine working, Are so used to $ or $$ Price for X or Y good or service that they never sat to thing how the price is $ or $$ and that its financially impossible to keep said prices without the cogs.
>B-but prices will raise.
Without going into the long ass explanation, There will only be 3 possible results
A) Service/ Product becomes a luxury
B) Service/ Produce market dies
C) INFLATION up the ass.

>>507563942 (OP)
I don’t know any Republican that likes Lincoln. It’s liberals who love Lincoln and kiss his ass. Most Republicans I know love Andrew Jackson. But the parties are totally flipped today. Lincoln would be a Democrat. All Dixiecrats that hated niggers like Strom Thurmond moves to the Republican party in the 50s-60s

>>507563942 (OP)
>democrat communist doesn't understand criticizing dear leader!
not reading your shitting blog

>>507566152
So what? Tough shit. The current situation of relying on cheap labour from (often illegal) immigration to maintain unnaturally low prices is unsustainable and harmful.

>>507563942 (OP)
>those are not meant to be well paid jobs anyway
According to who? You've been brainwashed into thinking the people who do the work needed to keep your fat ass in the lifestyle you're accustomed to don't deserve a living wage. If you work 40 hours a week in an honest way, you deserve to make enough to be financially stable, full stop.

You're probably only three missed paychecks away from being homeless yourself, and yet you've been conditioned into thinking you're better than them. But there are people with master's degrees in STEM subjects who are homeless on the streets of California. One day it might be you. You better pray that God doesn't teach you humility through a sharp and painful lesson.

I realize this is likely a shitpost, but too many cuckservatives think this way for me to keep my mouth shut on the subject.

>>507566914
>So what? Tough shit
Nigga, we are not talking about Making MLP Statues or Inflation Porn for Furries.

This are Fundamental jobs required by any society.

>>507565087
That's not something you'll find much contention about here. Do you know where you are?

>>507567104
>According to who?
Literally any republican whenever the topic of "Lets raise minimum Wage" comes out.

>>507567198
You don't need to raise the minimum wage if you keep the scabs out. /pol/ has little consensus, and you need to lurk for two more years before you post again.

>>507567198
But what is the objective basis of that value judgement? There is none. That's the whole point. It's a canard againt working people parroted by Republican politicians and the useful idiots who vote for them.

Literally why don't people who work hard in an honest occupation deserve to make enough to afford the necessities of life? How can we say "fuck them, poor people should have worked harder" when the cost of education is so exorbitant, and borrowing six figures for an expensive US education doesn't even guarantee a white collar job like it did fifty years ago? Do you know how many people with BAs in biology and shit are stuck doing menial work?

>>507566113
descendents in the sense of nationality and culture. genetics are irrelevant to this discussion.

>>507563942 (OP)
Republicans are two* parties within one imo
You got culturally/socially conservarive libertarian live free or die redneck/cowboy Cavalier former Democrat types

Then you got Puritan descended, self righteous altruistic, statist ideological Republicans.

Theyre only allies because the Cavalier/Former Dem types lost their party with the Civil Rights era collapse and transformation of their party, and because their progressive foe is ppwertul and aggressive they have to cooperate.

*Clearly more than two, but the above is an okay simple categorization.

>>507567370
>You don't need to raise the minimum wage if you keep the scabs out
I agree with this, but let's be honest. Trump won't keep the scabs out. Did you not see the announcement he just made? The meatpacking plants and shit were complaining that he was taking away their slave labor, so he's cucking out when it comes to deportations.

>>507563942 (OP)

>>507565087
Remove all browns and all the problems go away.

>>507567154
Right. So they should be paid according to the economics of supply and demand. What's the issue?

>>507564379
>the Confederacy was wrong
The Confederacy was fully in its legal right to secede. It was not declared unconstitutional to do so until years after the war.

>>507569307
>they should be paid according to the economics of supply and demand. What's the issue?
The issue is Western politicians import scab labor by the millions to inflate supply and ruin wages for White workers

>>507564677
>Loser still a loser.
The irony of this statement coming from you retards is immense.

>>507569413
by what legal standard? the Constitution did not provide any legal way to leave the Union and the United States Congress did not pass any law providing them with a legal avenue to leave the Union.

>>507563942 (OP)
What party does KKK Grand Wizard David Duke belong to?

>>507569636
>the Constitution did not provide any legal way to leave the Union
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

>>507569680
why should we believe that the legal power to leave the Union exists at all?

>>507569818
Only fools ask for proof of a negative.

>>507564436
Would you say the same about native Americans?

>>507569636
It literally did though.

>>507569896
i didn't ask for proof of a negative. i asked for a reason to believe that the positive power to leave the Union exists, is granted to any individual State, and cannot be challenged by other States or by the people.

>>507569967
what process does the Constitution outline for leaving the Union?

>>507569636
The line for where the States' rights to self determination ended had to be decided somehow and since the founders were too embroiled in compromise and struggling for unity they unfortunately made it where this question was destined to be made by fraternal war.
Certain issues reach a point where they simply cant be talked out, sadly.

As for a legitimate justification for separatism, objections against complete support for 1788 seems to have been the best case The South had, but it wasnt pursued much as the earlier 1840-50's Northern separatism threats were chosen as a justification instead.

>>507570165
>i didn't ask for proof of a negative. i asked for a reason to believe that the positive power to leave the Union exists
You're asking for proof of a power that is entirely, and intentionally, unspecified in the Constitution. You do not understand that this nation was founded collectively by sovereign states. QED: See the 10th Amendment. If it's not mentioned it is the domain of the States and the States alone.

Therein lies the folly of the American Civil War. It was effectively the North using tyranny of the majority against the South under the premise of abolishing slavery. Niggers apparently had more of a right to be free than the Confederate States had a right to be sovereign entities. Fast forward 150 years the federal government has completely superseded the states entirely.

It is not an exaggeration to say this country, as it was originally conceived, died in the 1860s.

>>507569413
If the Constitution doesn’t specifically say that a state can’t secede; then any state can secede. Yankee bullyboy tactics can’t change that.

N4KSJ

>>507570438
and the many sovereign states of the north decides to use their sovereign and legal power to compel membership of a Union by which there was no legal avenue to leave.
if the Confederate States had some unreserved power to secede, then the Union States had an unreserved power to prevent their secession. then the issue leaves the legal realm and enters a more ancient realm: that of conquest. to the victor go the spoils, and victory belonged to the Northern States.

>>507571374
>that of conquest. to the victor go the spoils, and victory belonged to the Northern States.
See: Tyranny.

>>507563942 (OP)
>NO!! If you want to make money study, go to trade school, get a real job
so who is supposed to work at mcdonalds, on farms, construction sites etc. ???

>>507571212
if the Constitution doesn't specifically say that a State can't prevent the secession of another State, then any State can prevent the secession of another State. Southern belligerency could not change that.

>>507571389
much less tyrannical than the Southern States seceding on the basis of preserving the dubious right to own and trade human beings like cattle.

>>507571578
>the dubious right to own and trade human beings like cattle.
The Fourth Amendment is very clear, and it was not dubious at all. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. You may not agree with it but that's how it was. Anyway I gotta go to bed.

>>507563942 (OP)
Go start a business and pay a living wage, Cletus. I’m sure you’re more efficient than farmers and trillion dollar companies.

>>507571697
goodnight.

>republicans

>>507570438
Yeah you lost. You got conquered by the industrial globalists. You’re now the nigger wyboi. Sucks huh?

>>507571777
unless he is 180 years old, he didn't lose anything. this entire discussion is academic at this point.

>>507569442
If you're going to jump into an conversation you need to read the full exchange, anon. You're repeating my point.

>>507571699
Efficiency is synonymous with paying the lowest wages possible. Wages are determined by the labour market, not by the whims of an employer.

>>507571451
BS if you really believe that then all yankees are psychotic.

>>507571451
>if the Constitution doesn't specifically say that the USA shouldn't bend over for Jews, then the USA should bend over for Jews.
Well what do you know, it's correct

Inbred kike worshiping southerners will be hunted down like the traitors they are

>>507564379
N GA here. Completely agree. jews were backing the south and were the cause of slavery. They had/have to go

>>507572101
it's just the same logic turn around on you. the South tried to invent a right to leave the Union because they were very quickly losing the political power to prevent legal abolition. they tried to take the ball and go home because the game has turned away from them. except the ball didn't belong to them, so they weren't allowed to take it without a fight. they fought bravely, and they can be proud of that. but they lost.

>>507563942 (OP)
>nice homogenous country where most natives have money and live cozy
>through greater education and technological advancements, the Native man and woman become arrogant and proud. Sees menial labour as below them, thus menial labour gets not much attention by this wealthy nations population.

>introduction of the poor immigrants who is willing to do any job, for shit pay
>immigrants take all the low-skill jobs
>native stragglers, who are slow on the uptake, are pushed away from low-skill labour
>natives now require spending more education and standards to get higher-tier jobs
>immigrants start having kids who also enter education system
>more competition in the general job marketplace begins
>natives who fall behind begin to feel completely out of place in their own country
>country is a cesspit of both racial tension and mutt birthd
>immigrants now seeping into more prestigious positions cornering higher-tier natives begin calls for greater “equality” and point out racism
>higher-tier natives prove they’re not racist by hiring undue immigrant labour to avoid future labels of racism
>competency crisis begin, displacement of natives multiplied
>natives complain of replacement
>immigrants and their class mixers cry racism


The classes should never be in conflict if you plan to bring in inassimilable immigrants. That’s what slavery is for. But you do need a class of non-haughty people, and you can just look at China for that (keep a contingent poor). If you try to enrich everyone, people begin to aim for those high tier jobs, and once they fail their aspirations, they still feel too good for the shit jobs. Thus you have fomented a near impossible to employ class.

>>507563942 (OP)
The south were democrats faggot

>>507563942 (OP)
yea, democrats are stupid as fuck. what can you do?

>>507563942 (OP)
Lincoln was a member of the National Union party. Take a history lesson, smoothbrain. Leftards just love their false equivalencies.