Everything and everyone is fascist but no one ever defines what fascism is.

What is fascism and what core foundations does it have? What is a good and concise definition?

Anti-Communist/Marxist/Bolshevik authoritarian military state.

>>507591902 (OP)
Non whites trying to rule over white people by the looks of it

>>507591902 (OP)
the knights of malta

>>507592234
spbp

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is when daddy tells his emo teenage children to go get a job

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism = uppity niggers and weenie choppers

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is a successor state to an overly social democratic state which had succeeded a monarchy.
It ends up essentially being a resumption of monarchy done by amateurs.

>>507592173
>>507593084
I don't think that's a good definition
>>507592234
>>507592336
Can you take it seriously please.

I want a concise definition.

Authoritarianism, but not communist authoritarianism.
Pandering to workers and trade unions , but not like communists.

Mussolini's fascism was like Hittler's National Socialism, but without the racial aspect.

According to Mussolini, fascism is the merging of state and economy.

>>507591902 (OP)
One spaghetti weak.
Many spaghetti strong.

>>507591902 (OP)
>Everything and everyone is fascist but no one ever defines what fascism is.
Fascism is the ideology of the Partito Nazionale Fascista of the Kingdom of Italy.
As both the party and the kingdom do not exist anymore, fascism is just history.

>>507594450
And how was that ideology? Characteristics?

Fascism is a system of government that seeks to improve the quality of life for the majority at the expense of the parasites who are underminding that society.

Capitalism is a system of government that tries to improve the quality of life for the parasites who are underminding society at the expense of the stupid cattle doing all the work.

Optimal system is somewhere in the middle. Trees can't grow if you kill all the bacteria but the soil dies if you kill all the trees.

>>507591902 (OP)
The future.

>>507591902 (OP)
fascism is defined by several main "core" beliefs, note, not all fascist governments hold ALL of these beliefs but most will be built around many of them.

1) the belief in the inherent evil nature of human beings. this manifests in several features common in fascism. a police state, and service to the state == citizenship or full rights of citizenship. lack of birthright citizenship, or full citizenship status.

2) Nationalism over all other beliefs. Nation before God, Culture and Family. This often takes the form of some sort of racial component or ethnic component, with "desired" ethnicities, peoples or races seeing preferential treatment, and possible ethnic cleansing (note: ethnic cleansing isn't a common feature of fascism, though the nazi's definitely did it, execution of criminal elements without trial is far more common in fascist states then ethnic cleansing is, for example Chile rounded up all their drug dealers, communists and drug growers, and killed them all, with standing orders to law enforcement to kill on sight for all drug related criminals)

3) Authoritarian control over society and industry. While fascism typically isn't an "economic" system, it does have heavy state controls over industry, and does have a heavy control over culture. In industry's case they may order factories to produce certain products, and may even set prices the factory can sell them at. in societies case, they will often legislate social lives, ban trends, or encourage them, and criminalize undesirable behavior in a heavy "nanny" state approach. this often manifests in banning free speech or opposition political parties or undesired religions.

4) Militarism - most fascist nations are strongly "militaristic" and aggressive internationally.

These are the most common features of fascism. some examples of fascist regimes - Argentina under Peron, Chile under Pinochet, Italy under Mussolini, South Africa under Apartheid, Germany under Hitler.

>>507591902 (OP)
Just another flavour of despotism.

>>507595595
to expand upon this;

Fascism's "nationalism" often takes the stance that multiculturalism is "weakness", and while this usually doesn't end up in some form of ethnic cleansing, it does often result in the disenfranchisement of undesirables, the suspension of human rights (frankly human rights is often one of the first things fascist nations remove), and the enforcement of a common culture.

usually fascist nations will criminalize or even imprison any group, political organization or criminal element seen as harming the unity and harmony of their homogeneous society, who the "undesirables" are changes depending on who the fascist at the head of the movement is. for example Peron in Argentina put the elite and rich of their country in the crosshairs of his brand of fascism. This was because his political support came from the Descamisado (shirtless ones) or the poor. the Pinochet government in Chile saw communists and criminals as the undesirables, same for Musilini in Italy, and of course Hitler saw Gypsies, Jews and Communists as undesirables in Germany.

the mentally ill and physically disabled are often lumped into the "undesirables" under a fascist government. and usually executed to relieve the system of their presence.

>>507592173
Mussoluni was a socialist and was horrified whether he saw anything non-socialist in Italy, like corporatism.

>>507594645
Fascism was authoritarian nationalism fused with corporatism.
Corporatism is an economic system in which trade and commercial relationships are not governed by market laws, such as supply and demand, but by social, cultural or family values.

>>507596573
oh, and while typically fascism and religion are often at odds, most Islamic states are some degree of fascist; though it's often a blurred line in the Islamic world, understand fascism has a lot in common with theocracy and monarchy, and most Islamic states are some flavor of theocracy or monarchy. Syria and Iraq under Saddam were both communist (Stalinist to be exact), so they weren't fascist at all. But Libya? yeah, Libya under Kaddafi was pretty close to a fascist state. as was egypt before ISIS took over with Obama's help.

It means nothing. The media and the dems pulled a 1984 and dropped some newspeak to rebrand and manipulate perceptions. Around Trumps first run they redefined fascism as anything to the right of Marx as well as redefining the democrat party as the "democratic" party or as democracy itself. This flew over most people's heads.

>>507591902 (OP)
Americanism opposes fascism/marxism/communism, etc.

Look at Free Speech Freedom of Religion, Freedom of the Press, Natural Law, etc.

>>507591902 (OP)
Real educated leftists characterize fascism as the terror of capitalism covered by authoritarian government

>>507591902 (OP)
Corporatism

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is a jewish interpretation of White collectivism

A system in which all aspects of society are held under the umbrella of the State, which is seen as the supreme authority. Economically speaking, it is meant to provide a third position between capitalism and communism. If you want to get a better understanding, just read, "the Doctrine of Fascism." It's a short read and straight from the horses mouth. Better than reading some leftist gobbledygook written up decades after Mussolini's death that tries to stretch the definition over as wide a field of ideologies as possible.

>>507591902 (OP)
fascism be dat ultra far-right dick-tater-type super oppressive ideology stay on dat hype-nashunalist crush-all-opposishun mah-way-or-da-highway bull-ish. aight lemme school yo ass on dis madness.

da core elements of fascism (aka why its trash):

>1. authoritarianism on god
dey want one all-powerful leader or party runnin da whole show zero debate zero pushback. step outta line? gone.

>2. nashunalism to da max
dey think dey country race or cultcha #1 n errybody else eitha inferior or need to get out. mad racist mad xenophobic talkin bout “keep da bloodline pure” like dis sum kinda dog show.

>3. total control (like ovah errythang)
dey in yo news yo schools yo art yo religion even yo thoughts. try to step outside dey box? bruh u finna disappear.

>4. militarism (glorifying violence)
dey love war tanks soldiers all dat. flexin military power to scare folks at home n invade abroad. "might makes right" is dey whole motto.

>5. anti-democracy (dey hate voting & freedom)
free elecshuns? nah. human rights? lol. dey want one party one leader n nobody allowed to quesshun it.

>6. anti-communism (dey will murk leftists)
socialists? communists? dead. dey see em as enemy #1 n will bodied anybody even suspected of leanin left.

>7. cult of da leader (dude think he god)
dey got one leader n dey worship him like he divine. propaganda 24/7 to make him look untouchable.

>8. corporatism (big biz & govt in bed togetha)
capitalism but only fo da ones da state likes. dey let rich folks eat if dey stay loyal. othawise? seized.

> da one-sentence summary:

fascism is when a cuntry get took ovah by a hyper-nashunalist raycist military-obsessed dictatorship dat controls errythang crushes all opposishun n worships dey leader like a god, all while hatin democracy leftists n anybody not pure enough.

>>507600021
couple real-life examples (so u know it ain no joke):

>mussolinis italy (1922–1943)
da original blueprint. dude made trains run on time but also murdered anybody who looked at him funny.
>nazi germany (1933–1945)
hitler took dat same fascist playbook n amped it up to genocide. holocaust world war 2, millions dead cuz of dis evil ideology.

nowadays? folks be drowin fascist around too loose. nah real fascism ain jus any oppressive government, its da full package: dictatorship ultra-nashunalism total control militarism racism leader worship n violent suppression.

so when u call sumthan fascist make sure it fit all dat, cuz dis ain no casual label. dis is historys biggest monsta.

>>507591902 (OP)
"Fascism should more properly be called Corporatism, since it is the marriage of state and corporate power"
-Mussolini himself
the WEF is international fascism

>>507591902 (OP)
I recently read Mussolini's essays on Fascism and here's my take.
To start, two definitions must be made for any of this to make sense.
Nation: A people unified by race, religion, and language.
State: The political and bureaucratic mechanism by which the people are governed.
For Italian Fascism, the State and the Nation are inseparable entities. Looking at Mussolini's own essays, the state is akin to a loving father protecting his children (the nation). Each nation must have some form of state to rule it. Conversely in National Socialism, the state is coequal if not subservient to the nation as a nation can change its ruling body at will. Regarding personal rights, the individual can do whatever so long as it does not erode the well being of the nation state.
In both systems however economic interests weren't allowed to subvert national interests. For Italian fascism there is 'corporatism' which can be loosely summed up as guild system where the interest of every working sector (agriculture, automotive production, etc.) was represented by a mixture of workers and investors. These 'corporations' would work with the state to maximize the financial well being of the nation while minimizing harm (no outsourcing labor, hebraic nonsense, etc.).
Interestingly there was little to no mention of race in as far as I could read in Mussolini's work. But it wasn't race blind either. It was in his mind a system that best suited the temperament and character of his people and it most likely wouldn't work for a dissimilar nation. Another big difference between national socialism and fascism is social welfare. For the Germans, you were given work in order to make a living as they believed that work was the cornerstone of a healthy civilization. For the Italians you were given wage supplements, food aid, etc in a manner similar to Roman bread handouts.

>>507595595
kys Noam Chomsky

>>507598181
>The media and the dems pulled a 1984 and dropped some newspeak to rebrand and manipulate perceptions
this is correct. the old definitions, fascism=corporatism
but for some reason, the corporations had a problem with being NAMED as the true source

>>507601389
RETARD
Corporatism =/= Corporatocracy
an italian "corporation" has NOTHING to do with the english word corporation. It is basically a guild, an interest group shared by the workers and employers in a particular field. These corporations then present their case to the government who makes policy based on the aggregate of their needs and wants. So for example there is a finite amount of X resource, guilds (or corporations) Y and Z want all of it for themselves, the government then decides in what ratio to share the resource to these two based on what is best for the nation as a whole. Again a "corporation" is not the same as a modern corporate entity

>>507591902 (OP)
Authoritarianism is the real evil, but having people hate authoritarianism would be too productive so you create a word exclusively for right leaning authoritarianism: Fascism.

Colloquially fascism was synonymous with authoritarianism up until the early 2010s when occupy wall Street happened.

>>507598013
You are retarded. Corporatism is a 100% fascist concept. It is true that Il Dvce was a revolutionary socialist (it means they where interventist during WW1 unlike normal socialists) and then he invented a new ideology. There were a lot of socialists who rejected marxism and internationalism back then.

>>507591902 (OP)
There is no such thing as fascism. It's a label that Mussolini liked. Like any slogan or name. Mussolini could have called his movement the Sneed's Feed and Seed. There is no such thing as fascism, it's just a name Mussolini pulled out of his ass.
Mussolini's government was a fairly standard at the time European government. There is nothing about this guy that stands out as really evil or authoritarian, or any of the things that are normally associated with fascism. Racists are called fascist but fascists were not racist.
The only real reason fascism gets a bad rep is because Mussolini allied with Hitler even after strongly disagreeing with a shitload of things. Because Mussolini used the label of fascism not it means the nazis were fascist, and because nazis now are fascist it means fascists are now nazis.

>>507605472
By your logic, neither communism nor liberal democracy exists because "they are just slogans". Viva il Dvce btw. Fuck kikes.

>>507598619
Not so fast...

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is a good and concise definition?
lapdogs, private military of the wealthy class (private businessmen/corporations)

>>507606063
Kike

>>507591902 (OP)
National Syndicalism, but functional.

Fascism/fascist is anyone or any ideology that opposes transgender children

>>507606063
In short

Private interests prevale over socioeconomical reasons

And war happens or is avoided

>>507605658
Words like communism, liberalism and democracy have meaning. Fascism does not have a meaning, never has, never will.
Of course retards can't tell the difference between reality and slogans. Communism is something specific and has a clear outline written by a fat jew in a book. Something like MAGA is just a slogan. What does it mean to make america great again? Trump hasn't explained and you can't go to another country and have a MAGA party. It would be silly if there was a racist in another country and you called him MAGA as an insult.
That's what has happened with fascism. It doesn't mean anything. When someone is called a fascist it's not actually based on any fascist ideas or actual policy put in place by the fascist party. And if you can nail something down as fascist, like the dislike of communism and authoritarianism, that's not unique to fascism, there have been countless governments with well established political parties that have done the same.

>>507591902 (OP)
economic corporatism and administrative centralization in internal politics, imperialistic expansionism in foreign policy

>>507601431
So Mussolini's fascism was an Augustan Rome larp.

>>507591902 (OP)
It's basically a communist state but with less pretending to care about the people in it.
Basically China right now

>>507592173
he was socialist, literally stalin like communism

>>507593873
It's an authoritarian military run country where the state has a lot of power and everything is done for the state and the people are expendable.
Communism except the government doesn't pretend to care about workers.

>>507605922
National socialism is also a jewish interpretation of White collectivism, with added jewish exceptionalism and racialism

>country is an economic crisis
>starving wagies start protesting because they literally NEED higher wages or at least lower work hours
>business owners say: no fuck you
>they hire private security and start beating up the wagies cause ancapistan is based or something
>wagies form unions
>private security starts murdering people who join the union
>all while government does fucking nothing cause ancapistan is based or something
>private security builds an army of followers because they're paid well
>the head of the private security gains popularity
>somehow gets elected
something like or o algo
basically when some random PMC on a richfag payroll (collective payroll) becomes the government. It's when the government no longer separated from the business but more like the personal government/military of the business.
Like there are different ways it happens but the general idea is that corporations are in charge and the government is their muscle

>>507591902 (OP)
Have you tried asking chat gpt?

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology characterized by dictatorial power, strong nationalism, suppression of dissent, and control of society and the economy by a centralized government. It often involves a cult of personality around a leader, militarism, and the belief in the supremacy of the nation or race. Fascist regimes reject democracy, individual freedoms, and political pluralism, instead promoting unity through force and propaganda. Historically associated with regimes like Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Nazi Germany, fascism thrives on scapegoating minorities, glorifying the state above all, and using fear and violence to maintain control and eliminate opposition.

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is a Nationalistic and syndicalist variety of traditional Marxian socialism. You could call it a “Marxian heresy”.

>>507607337
"Far right"
You see, that's the lie. Fascism is third position and doesn't obey the left-right spectrum. People think Hitler is far right because Germany's Overton window was in communism mode but compared to Americans, Hitler is a leftoid.

it's citizenship nationalism.
whatever that is.
the more the merrier.
it doesn't care about gender, race or religion.
it's such vague shit that pretty much any country is theoretically fascist.

>>507606387
The first two are good enough, with necessary clarifications that Corporatism is in fact right-wing syndicalism (differing primarily in class collaboration instead of class warfare), not corporatocracy, and centralization is a part of the totalitarianism, which is the forced binding individual potential to the collective energy of the nation, which is harnessed and directed by an authoritarian state to achieve national goals and milestones.
>imperialistic expansionism
This is not correct. Fascism is irredentist. It seeks to reincorporate lost territories, claim resources for self-sufficiency or achieve ideal borders/national birthright.
The last two is where the perceived "imperialism" and "expansionism" come from.

>>507595302
Maybe the middle ground of facisim is socialism; where it originally started?

>>507606326
Il Duce wrote a book explaining the doctrin on fascism as well, pajeet.

>>507608098
This book?

>>507591902 (OP)
it's really not that hard

>>507606984
>except the government doesn't pretend to care about workers
I feel like democracy is just that pretend part, but from an American POV we must be communist so the explanation checks out.

>>507608098
The Origins and Doctrine of Fascism is pretty vague. It's a good starting point to understand the general ideas, but not much more than that. It's necessary to learn about other fascist movements and specially about the ideologies that preceded fascism (mainly sorelianism and national syndicalism) to get a good grasp of what it's supposed to be.

>>507606984
Communists are different because their government is comprised out of unions and historically it grew through giving more and more power to the unions until the unions became the government.
Fascism rejects the idea of unions entirely and it's just rigid hierarchy from top to bottom like in the army.
These two are not really comparable.

>>507606480
They didn't use the fascio as emblem for nothing

>>507609239
>Fascism rejects the idea of unions entirely and it's just rigid hierarchy from top to bottom like in the army.
Nope. Look up the Chamber of Fasces and Corporations.
It's state-owned trade unions, tasked with directing the economy.

>>507609659
>trade unions
not the worker's unions though, that's my entire point

>>507609823
>>507609239
Lenin did the same thing with trade unions as Mussolini and Hitler. Your point?

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is fascism
Its an ideology which focuses on a society centric state where traditions, ethnicity and culture outweighs materialistic aspects. There is no antagonism of classes or people but bad habits and weaknesses. Private ownership and bussinesses are encouraged but they are under State's regulation. It promotes collectivism but not at the expense of individualism.
This is the jist of doctrine of Fascism by Giovanni Gentile. One of the modern political masterpiece and its not that big. Anyone can read.

>>507609823
Part worker union, part enterprise cartel. This is one of the few similarities between Soviet Union and Fascist Italy.
The only real difference is that the soviets shot all of their CEOs except the jewish ones while the Fascists shot half of them and whipped the rest into submission.

>>507591902 (OP)
Totalitarism. One party, one way - the "right" way. No pluralism of thought. Wrongthink is a big no no. If you question the decisions of the party too much you and your family get visited by a party van and you all disappear. Otherwise, trad and based. Till your friends start disappearing too.

>>507595302
I am surprised that apart from you, majority of the comments I read doesn't even properly know what Fascism is. This place has truly fallen.

>>507610282
Why don't you read what its doctrine is instead of typing nonsense?

>>507609975
>Lenin did
You meant Stalin did?

>>507610836
No. Stalin just continued Lenin’s policies. The Soviets (workers’ councils) weren’t even Lenin’s idea anyway. They came from the Mensheviks.

>>507610984
Stalin did a u turn on Lenin's policies because they were extremely retarded.

>>507610669
I did. Why don't you learn further instead of shitting on the street?

>>507591902 (OP)
A very cool concept ruined by a fat, bald sex pest.

>>507611148
The fat bald sexpest was the least of it. The narcissistic austrian gangster was the one who really fucked it all up.

>>507608308
No you stupid faggot, does it looks like he wrote it himself? I am talling about "La Dottrina del Fascismo".

>>507593873
I can't explain it in one sentence, but here are some key concepts:
>Corporatism
>the Organic State
>Futurism
>illiberal
>rejection of "class identity" (marxism)

>>507611088
Rich coming from a subhuman like you who says doctrine of fascism is pretty vague when in reality its pretty straightforward.

>>507607140
So what is natural white collectivism you fucking stinking rat kike? Why does it not exist today?

Let me here the half-assed little excuse,
It's always the same shit.
> No National Socialism is jewish even though it was absolutely antithetical to everything it had built up at the time and even 80 years later is it's absolute sworn nemesis.
> Hitler was Jewish!!11!! (cite the same shit that was debunked in the 1920's)
You guys have failed, you need to rethink your propaganda; you can't just try to relabel shit; you're way too obvious.

Fascism=Being a bitter chud suffering from an unholy union of victim-complex, superiority complex and an autist-tier desire for conformity.

>>507611274
Nah i think he did pretty good. Too bad he wasn't a good strategist he did fuck up the eastern front.

>>507611535
Anon read it again. It doesn't say much more than Wikipedia's page.

>>507611674
And by losing he condemned the entire third position to the political underground for almost century.

>>507611433
Lmao retard, that's not a book, it's an essay, and it wasn't even written by your favorite MI5 asset but by gentile
Holy kek what a fuckwit you are

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is fascism?
A fuckin' meme.

>>507611844
Loosing is not a sin. His compassion for his people and his moral composition will stand the test of time.

>>507606480
Pretty much, yeah. Just remove the old gods and the legion, add guilds and you have Mussolini’s Italy

>>507611733
>wikipedia page
No wonder you are so dumb. Here, read it. https://archive.org/details/origins-and-doctrine-of-fascism-giovanni-gentile-z-library

>>507591902 (OP)

Test

>>507607337
>"FASHIZM IZ WHEN CULTS AND TYRANTS RAPE YOU TO DEATH. OY VEY LOOK AT THE NAZIS"
truly a thought provoking response

>>507612334
>Losing is not a sin
When you're fighting against international jewry, yes it is.
>>507612390
reading comprehension reps

>>507612490
The fact that gpt does not refer to source material while defining it shows how compromised it actually is.

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is the inevitable immune response to Communism. It never looks the same twice.

>>507591902 (OP)
Anything that makes ANTIFA pisses it’s pants lol god bless Israel

Depends who you ask.
Gets even more confusing when you consider that various fascist groups had very different outlooks on a number of issues.
One good way to look at it is as a fascist government being a militarised government but without involving the actual military. A common complaint all fascists had was of how the existing or previous governments would focus their time on debate and discussion while a crisis ripped its way through their society.

>>507591902 (OP)
>lives where francisco franco is from
>what's fascism
lol
it's just unity of people under the obediance of a single state authority figure. You should know this better than anyone on here.

>>507612596
You can not mare the prestige of an ideology by just loosing. Hitler was a composed man of principles till the day he died. He died living by his word proud. Unlike the italian fag whose supposed mighty military state can only win wars only using chemical weapons and dieing at the hands of your enemies because you can't end it in your own terms.

>>507604611
Seconded. The observation that it changed slightly its meaning just over 10 years ago is very on point.

>>507591902 (OP)
Sparta was the archetype of a fascist state and it was FUCKING BEAUTIFUL.

>>507613119
Hitler was the retarded one who jumped into a war. Mussolini had diverted most of his military back to the countryside for industrial and agricultural development. Italy was unprepared.

>>507611071
Stalin’s policies were no less retarded

>>507613119
>Hitler was a composed man of principles till the day he died
>He died living by his word proud
National socialism has always been a bastardization of fascism to fit a ethnosupremacist cult. Hitler was a pathological liar and nearing the end of the war he was increasingly less coherent.
He had some good ideas, yes. He did deliver on most campaign promises, yes. But to say he was a man of principles is just false.
>dieing at the hands of your enemies because you can't end it in your own terms.
Execution by opponents will always be more based than cucking out and killing yourself. If Hitler was a man of principles he'd have grabbed a gun and joined the front lines to at least commit suicide by combat. He did not, he hid in a bunker while his city burned and his people suffered.

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism is a corporate state model which allows for limited voting inside the corporate structure.

During the early twentieth century it generally took the form of a dictatorship due to the requirements of remodelling the economy, same as communists.

Fascist reject class war and internationalism for a national identity. They believe class identity can never overcome patriotism and become dysfunctional when it tries.

The New Left Marxists came out of the Frankfurt school in the 60s. They rejected state capitalism of the soviet model as it failed and they believed this is why the soviet union failed.

Many of the Frankfurt school were Jewish ex soviets who were chased out for Zionist sympathies.

The right wing of these zio soviets become neo cons.

Both new left and neo cons are Trotskyists but seek revolution by Fabian infiltration means

To differentiate new left from Fascism it adopted intersectionality, race theory and gender theory as well as internationalism with a different mix for each region on earth.

Apart from this distinction they also adopted the corporate state model but with an emphasis on uprooting the petite bourgeois or small business for large public private partnerships.

They have also adopted this model in the third world and call it fair trade which is also an inversion of the old definition.

So a fascist is simply a nationalist who opposed new left progression.

>>507613791
italy was the first to act. They invaded a LON member that was my country without the means to control it

>>507610984
Basically pic related.
You can make claims about INSANE CENTRALIZATION based of what's written in one book from 1932 but really there is no valid information to say it was the case plus the collapse of the USSR is the evidence in itself. Wouldn't have collapsed the way it did otherwise.

Fascism primarily opposes individualism and materialism and its rejection of liberalism and communism proceed from this basis. It holds the ultimate good as the prosperity of the nation and seeks to attain this through a totalizing state and party apparatus.

>>507614406
Hitler invaded fascist Austria and handed fascist Romania to the Soviets

>>507608098
No one asked, tranny

>>507591902 (OP)
It's a slightly less socialist version of communism.
Instead of seizing the factory and bureaucrats to run it, you let the original CEO stay on the job, but you tell him what to produce.

>>507614302
>Execution by opponents will always be more based than cucking out and killing yourself.
Wrong. An Honorable suicide is the best way to retain ones countries dignity. If he had not done it he would have been humiliated and made an example out of. And the bunker thing is off topic he already fought for his country in ww1, this is the age of guns and bombs leaders cannot risk fighting frontline with their people like they used to in medieval times

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is fascism?
Corporatism + Dirigisme. Read the wiki article. Dirigiste policies are the core of Fascism.

>>507591902 (OP)
A national society that borders on religious. It promotes a healthy peoples mindset of anti-materialism and self-improvement.

tl;dr the death of McDonald's and Iphones.

>>507614871
Italy invaded Ethiopia before all of this started

The best reality-based definition is a single-party centralized and highly concentrated power government. There is no economic or ideological component.

>>507614590
Please, show me a single independent trade union that was allowed to exist in the Soviet Union without having the Cheka/GPU/NKVD coming down on them and their members getting sent to Gulag.

>>507614974
Basically this. Instead of the CEO serving shareholders’ interests, he works as a functionary of the state.

>>507614871
>Hitler invaded fascist Austria
He invaded because the fascist coup failed.
>handed fascist Romania to the Soviets
He allowed the Soviets to claim Bessarabia from Royal Romania, the Iron Guard came to power after.
>>507614991
>An Honorable suicide is the best way to retain ones countries dignity.
Faggot mentality.
Constatinos Dragasis Paleologos showed how it's done in 1453.
>If he had not done it he would have been humiliated and made an example out of
Hence why he chose to die. He did not have to do it in such a cowardly manner.
>And the bunker thing is off topic he already fought for his country in ww1
You always fight for you country, specially if you started the war.
>this is the age of guns and bombs leaders cannot risk fighting frontline with their people like they used to in medieval times
He had understood the war was lost and that death was the only option. There is no excuse.

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is fascism and what core foundations does it have? What is a good and concise definition?
It's the idea of a powerful state that controls everything.
1 sencence that describes it perfectly is:
>Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State
Quote by Mussolini,

>>507614406
If I am not wrong, Italy invaded you pre hitler chimpout. Wtf is this 120 sec cooldown.

>>507591902 (OP)
The proper definition of Fascism is when the private sector (Corporate) and public sector (Government) come together lock-step to form a cohesive agenda and push it upon the people in their respective nation-state. Yes, many times in the past this has taken a form as a right-wing authoritarian/nationalist agenda, but that's not a hard rule or set in stone- you could argue the cohesive Corporate push within our government these days to include DEI and woke propaganda in our private lives is a form of Fascism as well. PROTIP: Lobbying is a soft form Fascism. Why do you think we have two Fascii symbols displayed in Congress?

>>507592173
Low IQ, retarded 12 year old Redditor's definition of Fascism. This is false btw and not at all the real definition of Fascism. Kill yourself you fucking NPC retard.

>>507615156
The whole idea of the USSR is that it was constructed bottom-up instead of top-down.
Trade unions came first and then came the rest of the government.
In mussolini's case it's the other way around, he created his own syndicates from the very beginning.
>inb4 it's the same shit
it's literally not.

>>507615416
Death before dishonour is the way to go.
Many other proto-nationalists throughout history have killed themselves at the eve of defeat to spare their nation humiliation. Dont argue me on this one joao musouloni's death will leave a mark on italian fascism for years to come.
>>507615436
They invaded us even before their alliance with germany. Thus they were on the opposing sides on that war

>>507616107
>Death before dishonour is the way to go.
Yes. Suicide is dishonour.
>Many other proto-nationalists throughout history have killed themselves at the eve of defeat
And they were also cowards.

>>507591902 (OP)
Viva il Duce, il lavoro e la libertà. Ritorneremo, prima o dopo.

Nothing more needs to be said.

>>507591902 (OP)
before obamacare it was the state forcing people to give their money to corporations

Fascism happens when parliamentary capitalism can no longer supress the working class. Thus capitalists use fascists goons to "fix" the situation with extra violence, promising them their "fascist paradise". But eventually the fascists goons also are removed and only capitalists remain in power.

>>507616324
You would have understood if your country was a bit older.

>>507616087
> The whole idea of the USSR is that it was constructed bottom-up instead of top-down.
>Trade unions came first and then came the rest of the government.
That’s nice. Now show me the independent trade unions in the Soviet Union.

>>507616942
Don't you "young man" me.
No point in having ancient history when it's just as shitty as the present.

>>507616979
probably were around 1920s after which they formed a russian soviet federatuve socialist republic and became the government and since there were already enough trade unions in the first place the duplicates were unnecessary.

>>507591902 (OP)
Industry-backed state Machiavellianism that is loosely tied to physiocratic teachings.

>>507617285
You mean after Lenin nationalized them and crushed any unions that refused to submit?

>>507616979
He's right, dude. Communism= entire country ran like a giant union hall. Fascism= entire country ran like a giant private Temp Agency. Sure, in the end, in a Horse Shoe Theory sort of way, they turn out to be nearly identical in their final form with some caveats, but their roots starting off are completely different. With Fascism focusing on organizing from a top-down collective, and Communism focusing on organizing from a bottom-up collective. Much in the same way a private Temp Agency puts more focus and emphasis on its corporate customers rather than the workers, while a union hall puts more focus and emphasis on its member workers rather than its corporate contracts- yes, on the surface they essentially do the same exact shit (fill vacant job openings for corporations), but their approach to it is completely at odds to each others. Multiple this on a nation wide level and you have the very same difference between Fascism and Communism, respectively.

>>507617281
Your time shall come brazil. When you have gone through the peaks and lows of what a civilization is you will understand

>>507592336
nope

>>507617804
> nationalized
that's a loaded term in a loaded take.

>>507607266
I think you are mixing up Corporatism with Corporatocracy
Corporatism is when society is split into several employement factors like agriculture, military, and engineering.
Also with fascism in paticular its not private businesses that are in charge but the state and the party.
I mean Mussolini himself said:
>everything in the State, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

>>507591902 (OP)
A way of life that is dramatically better than (((current thing)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPB1jy4vmFA

A great example is when a Civil Servant working at the FBI emails a Facebook censorship officer a list of accounts which 'contain misinformation'.

Fascism is the union of state and corporate power btw.

A hard push in goverment for what the state thinks makes a healthy society. You see liberals doing it today actually with DEI and whatnot. But yeah, lifting weights ,denying degeneate shit and eating healthy is the basic grass roots of fascism.

>>507618841
cool it with the antisemitism

>>507618234
Not an argument

>>507618759
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Congratulations, we have been living in real Fascism for decades at this point, regardless of political party. That's why no one will ever vote their way out of whatever mess their side of the political aisle is in. That is also why there is a huge and aggressive push online to shill the definition of Fascism by ultra-low IQ NPC retards and bots like this idiot >>507592173 as being some "Nationalist/Right Wing/Traditional Nation State", which is not at all the true definition of Fascism, not even in the slightest.

>>507618759
another terrifying example, a private institution cowed by *checks notes* "all famous people".

a fascism just flew over my house!

>>507619401
Imagine if Mussolini died before founding the fasces of combat and fascism was invented by Mosley instead... we'd have faggotism now.

>>507613262
>one hit wonder
>dabbed on by Macedonia
>became Rome's bitch

>>507619707
>Sir Mosley
He was in kike controlled bongland who was about to be dragged into war by dirty kikes like you against Nazi Germany
He knew he couldn't give kikes like you any excuse to kill him or throw him in prison forever

>>507591902 (OP)
Fascism
root Fasces
>A fasces is a bound bundle of wooden rods, often but not always including an axe with its blade emerging.
Simply put, Strength through Unity

>>507619239
Both are right. One is the current definition of fascism which is just another word for authoritarianism and totalitarianism and the other is the original definition of the ideology. Although I would disagree with "traditional" since before Mussolini and Franco sold out it was anti-clerical and revolutionary.

>Kike loves the two weakest fascist states that ever existed in modern history
nice try shlomo

>>507618759
>>507619239
you are both retards
Corporatism =/= Corporatocracy

>>507591902 (OP)
>>507592173
also conservative
in contrast to national socialism which was quite revolutionary, facism heavily depended on old elites, nobility and the church

>>507591902 (OP)
>>507592173
The degree of authoritarianism required would vary greatly and also depend on how established the government was
Most white people follow the rules and the few who wouldn't could be accommodated
Laws could be made in such a way to accommodate most of them ("live free or die" and mountain hillbilly types) that weren't willing to accept absolute control without causing violent resistance or much anyways against a fascist government. Most of their problems with the government is over people fucking them them anyway so simply don't do that unless it's absolutely necessary until they come around. They'd be satisfied with the new order and wouldn't want to go back when they saw how awesome shit COULD be if we wanted

>>507620573
>Corporatism =/= Corporatocracy

No one is even attempting to define either of those terms, you fucking ESL nitwit.

>>507622052
Fascism = corporatism
but the irish flag described corporatocracy. Again an italian corporation is a GUILD it has NOTHING to do with the corporation of the english language.

>>507622052
>ESL nitwit.
it's autism

>>507620297
>original definition of the ideology

Yep, and this is all that matters. They publicly changed the definition of Fascism very recently within the past decade or so because they were afraid people would find out the true definition of Fascism (eg the society that we live in currently) and so changed the definition to "muh right wing traditionalist authoritarian societies" and pushed their NPC's and bots on reddit to shill this definition as much as possible.

>Although I would disagree with "traditional" since before Mussolini and Franco sold out it was anti-clerical and revolutionary.

I actually agree 100%. The new reddit-slop NPC definition of Fascism as "traditionalist authoritarianism" (lmao) is a complete and utter joke. You still see it shilled everywhere though by these idiots. People are so fucking stupid these days it truly is unreal.

>>507591902 (OP)
Why don't you read Mussolini instead of asking a bunch of retarded pajeets and beaners?

>>507622368
Semantics and splitting hairs. The US Congress has two literal Fasces axes embedded on the wall and publicly on display front and center for all to see. Make of that information what you will.

>>507591902 (OP)
Rerum Novarum / Catholic Corporatism

>>507620894
>facism heavily depended on old elites, nobility and the church

Mussolini hated the Vatican.

>>507623098
>get called out as a retard
>has no counter-argument
>duuhhh semantics
fuck off retard. The US certainly does not have a guild economy. It's a totally different thing. Calling it semantics is just showing your ignorance, it's literally not even close to the same thing.

>>507623098
> The US Congress has two literal Fasces axes embedded on the wall and publicly on display front and center for all to see. Make of that information what you will.
The fasces is a symbol of the Roman Empire, retard. It predates “fascism” by millenia.

>>507623541
>fascism didn't exist until it was a clearly written and outlined doctrine of politics, economics, and life itself
lol

>>507623541
Lmao says the resident seething retard ITT who can't even tell the difference between Fasicsm and Communism.

>The fasces is a symbol of the Roman Empire

No shit. And your point, dumb fuck? Resurrecting the Roman Empire was literally Mussolini's vision of Fascism.

>>507623511
No one fucking cares, retard. Cope and seethe harder about niche political words that nobody gives a fuck about. Go discuss "Corporatocracy" with the one other retard on the internet who actually gives a shit.

My takeaway from this thread is that fascism is a hyper specific ideology that only makes sense in the context of 1920s Italy.

Somehow due to historical events and propaganda the term "fascism" ended up being used as a synonym for "authoritarian" so it lost all meaning it had a century ago.

That's why i think it's kind of waste of time debating about this shit unless you're some history nerd. This word is dead, politically speaking. Even modern "true fascists" should stop using it because it carries the luggage of a 100 years of propaganda and misinformation.

>>507622595
Other way around actually. The original fascism and proto-fascism of D'annunzio and Mussolini (Mussolini essentialy stole the intellectual, spiritual and iconographic foundations of fascism from D'annunzio with balcony speeches and all) was a national syndaclist, ultranationalist ideology with some left-wing revolutionary elements even.
It's only when Mussolini sold out to big business, nobility and the church that his revolutionary sansepolcrismo fascism changed into the reactionary and conservative form of fascism that we saw applied during his rule.
Since the end of WW2 the term fascism has become synonymous with anykind of tyrannical authoritarian governance. Essentialy it is now just a useless buzzword nowadays used by everyone to slander political opponents

>>507624672
The United States is not fucking fascist just because there’s a Roman fasces in the Halls of Congress. I can’t believe I actually have to spell this shit out to you. What’s next, Hindus are National Socialists because they use the swastika?

>>507624910
Holy shit you are one fucking dumb and illiterate motherfucker. I've already discussed this ITT. Maybe you should actually read my posts before smudging you fat cheeto-encrusted sausage fingers across your keyboard. Or don't, I don't give a fuck, sub 80 IQ NPC's like you are not worth my time.

>>507591902 (OP)
>What is a good and concise definition?
Imagine Trump and Musk running your country, that is fascism