>>507596094 (OP)
Probably with higher quality materials too

>>507596094 (OP)
They're projecting again like chinks do usually. If anything chink historical accomplishments are lackluster compared to western ones especially if you consider the chinks have been settled for much longer

It makes sense that a lot of what we know of the ancient world is possibly fabricated, since the oldest surviving texts are usually copies made by monks in 1000ad at the earliest, which were themselves copies of copies of copies.

>Says the country that claims literally everything came from China
FFS, they even try to steal kimchi from the Koreans.

>>507596094 (OP)
Uh huh

Rich, coming from a people that eradicated their own culture and history.

Do Italian bankers count as westerners?

Roman empire was a complete fake take

>>507596094 (OP)
... bloody hell.

>>507596094 (OP)
Hory cope!

>>507596344
holy cope

>>507596664
These cunts should be exiled at the least.

>>507596094 (OP)
Chinks are so jealous and insecure it's insane. Their culture has a strong desire to be seen as the greatest and best civilisation, which is why they're trying so hard to impress everyone.

>>507597358
Did you see their fake Paris?

>>507596094 (OP)
a lot of history (regardless where from) is fabricated or inferred. we may only have sources that copied from other, now lost, sources. you don't think a man named Jesus really rose from the dead and performed miracles, do you?

>>507596094 (OP)
The idea that a lot of things were fabricated isn't totally out of the realm of possibility, however we usually have a good idea of what we consider to be fabricated, or exaggeration, extrapolated, or interpolated. The way we know is that because works needed to be copied there are slight differences between them so you can usually trace an addition or fabrication. This is however quite limited to sections of works rather than entire works.

>>507596362
Kimchi was from a specific plant that only grows along streams. USA version is made with dyes and horseradish.

>>507597501
Yeah they wanted to redistribute the population to newer cities to solve their overcrowded mega cities, and they wanted to attract them by building beautiful European-styled cities. A strong sign of their feelings of cultural inferiority, because they could've built a new city made of ancient Chinese architecture instead, which is also beautiful.

>>507597612
> "durr history is fake"
>provides no evidence or counter claim

Sad! Many such cases!

>>507596094 (OP)
East Asians making any claim about historicity is fucking laughable when you see the ridiculous shit they pull.

Daily reminder 90% of contemporary East Asian history is state backed propoganda for the dick measuring contest between China/Japan/Korea

>Can we investigate ancient Japanese tombs?
NO THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL (because early JP emperor's may have Korean DNA)

>ACKSHUALLY 70%+ of Japanese culture is Chinese -Chinese Historian (It's not)

>Ohhh see Korea was actually so great and relevant in history until the Chinese/Japanese fucked with us (it wasn't)

Ad infinitum

>>507596094 (OP)
Most of history is fabricated.
Everything I learned as a child about history was either outright wrong or heavily biased.
The entire "dark ages" was born out of one petty Italian historian.
Almost every ancient historical battle has obviously bullshit numbers.

>>507597843
You're thinking of Wasabi you absolute fucking retard.

>>507598297
Are you native Japanese? Also can you translate that pic?

>>507596094 (OP)
based, they're correct

>>507598614
That Pic isn't Japanese
Pretty sure it's korean but they all sorts look the same to me

>>507596344
>>507596216
>Emperor Ling Ping comes to power
>court notary mispells his name
>400 billion perish

>>507598614
That's Korean my guy. But it basically says the "Hwan-Guk" (fictional Korean empire) and it's spheres of influence.

Koreans go wild with this shit btw, they have historians who claim that native American culture and languages are directly descendant of Korean lol.

I'm a bong, but I am doing my masters (east Asian history) at Tokyo University,.which gives me another interesting insight to the problem: language barrier is a serious problem for western scholarhsip of east Asia.

Yes I speak and read Japanese, have my N1 and every. I can read and know basic Korean, haven't attempted Chinese yet. And damn do I need to. And even if you're a native level speaker of all three, the classical Chinese, kanbun, ancient texts are insanely difficult to read, even for Chinese historians etc. unfortunately that lack of clarity makes a lot of room for East Asian historians to just straight up lie, to get grants from their government (or in the Chinese case because the party tells them to directly) East Asia DESPERATELY needs Western historical and archaeological methodology and integrity, but as someone trying to do just that, it's just a lot man

>>507599499
>this shit
You should not swear it is unclean
Good luck bongbro

>>507597959
>they could've built a new city made of ancient Chinese architecture instead, which is also beautiful.
WE consider that architecture beautiful. They went out of their way to destroy those buildings.

>>507596094 (OP)
This is a case of our enemy, China, accusing us of what it is in fact doing.

>>507596094 (OP)
This is kinda like denying Egyptian history due to the pyramids, wanking modernity too hard and not accepting that maybe our ancestors knew things we don’t

>>507599499
What do Koreans think of the Finno-Korean hyperwar? Did they ever recover?

>>507600136
The largest ones were cast in place with what we now call geopolymers.

I'd believe it was all fake, every single thing i was taught in this country was a lie

>>507600186
They are to this day tragically still severely impacted by the mass-autism array.

>>507596094 (OP)
sounds like a lot of chinese bellyaching over their history being a cheap copy of ours.

>>507596094 (OP)
this sounds like something our schizos would believe about them

>>507599499
Based bong bro. I would have loved to pursue history and archeology as a student, sadly I'm french so I've been pigeon holed to preparatory classes to get inside a good engineering school. At least I will make a decent amount of money when I will be employed, still very sad to not have done what I wanted and kudos to you !

>>507601078
You're better off amico. I love it, I really do, but I'm basically living in a shoebox sized flat and looking at low salary for life, and I still have to get a doctorate to ever be taken seriously. And learn Chinese. I just watched too many Indiana Jones movies as a kid, enjoy the fruits of your engineering career.

>>507601078
>sadly I'm french so I've been pigeon holed to preparatory classes to get inside a good engineering school
Are you Norman?

>>507601472
Oops I looked at your flag and thought you were Italian, that's basically a hate crime. désolé mon ami

>>507601492
My maternal grandma yes, but otherwise I come from Champagne and Burgundy.

"far right". Just kikes making shit up. NatSoc China will win over the dying TransPoC Western Zionist shitholes.

>Westerners are the main characters of history precisely because of our historical sense par excellence and Eastoids can’t cope with that obvious fact so they deny history ever existed.

>>507601679
Yeah...
Your choices are basically warfare or engineering... Maybe both...

>>507601645
No worries anon, it's way more noble to follow your passion rather than grinding the $$$.
Europe was great thanks to its medical doctors, its historians, professors, explorers and soldiers not to some filthy banker or sweaty stock-broker.

Imo the rat-race centered around the dollar is what has destroyed our countries and it's important that strong-willed individuals assume that they don't care about money but that the pursuit of knowledge is of higher interest.

Worst part of this is that I'm writing this stuff while in the process of recruiting for investment banking, kek, a true clown world.

>>507596344
>They're projecting again like chinks do usually.
It correct.
The Latin and Byzantine churches created a fake millennia as they fought for supremacy. and Chink history is fake as well.
Greek paganism still existed in the Magdeburg confession, that is until the reformation.

>>507599499
>That's Korean my guy. But it basically says the "Hwan-Guk" (fictional Korean empire) and it's spheres of influence.
To be honest, it's not really without basis, as in some myths, Koreans are the descendants of Chiyou, who lost against Huangdi for the domination of China, so it's no brainer that they still keep that bitter loser mentality. Moreover, we know that Chiyou and Dongyi people after all were just a branch of Shennong tribe, so that even reinforce their bitter mentality.
A little interesting trivia is that there is a "fake story" from history of Nguyen clan of Vietnam, claiming that the ancestor of Shennong tribe, Fuxi, was originally from Kunlun mountain (Taklamakan desert), after being defeated in battle, they ran to Long (Loess plateau) then became Shennong, so the map of Hwan-Guk might not totally be fiction.

The problem of East Asian historical research is that:
1. The tendency to claim oneself as the "true descendant" of "great ancestors", the devalue or outright disregard other branches as enemies, fakes, unorthodox, etc. (all East Asians are guilty of this, even China as the "orthodox" branch)
2. The method of writing in the ancient times. They used short-lived materials as media of information storage (bamboo for example), therefore, it's very hard to uncover primary sources intact (so the Bamboo Annals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_Annals can be considered as a very valuable source, even if we cannot confirm the content is true or not, kek). Moreover, in the more ancient times (maybe antideluvian), the myths said that people in that era used tied-knots as a way of keeping information instead of writing, at first I didn't know if it's true or not, but after reading about Incan Quipu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu I think it's totally true, and then it means a lot of valuable historical sources can be considered lost forever, unless by some miracles, you uncover those knots intact after ten thousands of years...

how bout a gook chink education?

>>507603179
ah, about tied-knots, it's from Daodejing https://ctext.org/dao-de-jing paragraph 80:
>In a little state with a small population, I would so order it, that, though there were individuals with the abilities of ten or a hundred men, there should be no employment of them; I would make the people, while looking on death as a grievous thing, yet not remove elsewhere (to avoid it).
>Though they had boats and carriages, they should have no occasion to ride in them; though they had buff coats and sharp weapons, they should have no occasion to don or use them.
>I would make the people return to the use of knotted cords (instead of the written characters).
>They should think their (coarse) food sweet; their (plain) clothes beautiful; their (poor) dwellings places of rest; and their common (simple) ways sources of enjoyment.
>There should be a neighbouring state within sight, and the voices of the fowls and dogs should be heard all the way from it to us, but I would make the people to old age, even to death, not have any intercourse with it.

>>507598297
whats the truth about east asian history? how did japs not copy chinks? architecture is the same, food is also very similar and we can go on and on.

>Look the Colossus of Rhodes was totally real okay!!?! No you can't see it chud because uuuuuh.... there was an earthquake and it completely disappeared! And the library of Alexandria was full of super secret advanced söyence stuff that was lost! NO you can look at the papyrussies because they were all lost in a fire alright!!!?? This is the historical consensus! It's ***SETTLED***

>>507596094 (OP)
Probably some truth in there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

>>507599499
Work on translating the Senshi Sosho. WW2 historians will bless your name for centuries to come.

>>507596920
it's true. Zhangs have been ping ping ping ling ling ling ding ding dinging for 5000 years and what they have to show for it overall is disappointing especially compared to the scope of euro accomplishments in the last milllenium

>>507605780
jewish* accomplishments

>>507596094 (OP)
>Italian bankers fabricated all of ancient Greek, ancient Egyptian, and ancient Roman history
what was their power level

>>507606027
if that helps you sleep at night sure

>>507596094 (OP)
Massive cope from intellectual midget chinks

>>507596094 (OP)
The coping of the inferior always makes me laugh.

>>507596094 (OP)
Most of the Roman Empire (the ethnic Romans) and Hellenic empires were of Albanian stock but nobody is prepared to talk about this even though plenty of grave samples lead to that direction.

>>507606105
reddit response

>>507606264
we wuz romans and griks

>>507596094 (OP)
we didnt fab shit
masonickike merchant attorneys did that

americans dont need to hide behind corporate personage and fiat peonage frauds

>>507596920
>said the beaner

>>507596362
>Oh, you like the chinese invention of corn and chile peppers too?
chiggers are unreal, Mao and the Cultural Revolution really fucked them up but good

>>507606344
They certainly weren’t celts or iberians.

This thread is actually funny because a lot of Americans here spread Fomenko's shit a lot about 10 years ago giving rise to Tartaria and the fake time theory and things like that.
I feel like I'm the only person who was actually on this board for longer than a minute.

>>507596094 (OP)
Okay... but, after reading that, I'm not seeing any proposed truths. Those excerpts are all just
>This isn't real
>This guy never existed
>This never happened

So what do they propose to be reality, then?

>>507596920
>the american southwest belongs spain, I mean mexico, happy cinqo de mayo
okay bud

>>507604541
Japanese people are genetically distinct from Chinese, with an entirely distinct language and culture predating Chinese influence. Japan first settled by Jomon people estimated as far back as 14,000 to 8,000BC, later mixed with Yayoi peoples (Distant Manchu/Koreanic) who made their way to the island around 300BC-300AD. That's the first real mainland influence, and in itself only sinitic via influence on Machu/Koreans. In all that time you have 8000 years roughly of home grown native japanese culture, language, aesthetics, and don't start REALLY seeing Chinese influence until the heian period starting in the 700s AD. From that point yeah a lot of Chinese aesthetics and food and tech and also cultural elements come in but they're more or less reserved to the higher classes. To this day plenty of japanese foods have no root in china, Natto, Wasabi, Fish dishes, onions based stuff, etc, there's also a pretty obvious distinction in architecture between native japanese styles (brown, woods, greens, earth tones, tatami, simple designs) and Chinese influence (Red (cinnabar), gold, black laquer works, porcelain, ornate geometric designs, etc)

Tl;Dr: japs were in mudhuts basically until the 3rd to 4th century or so, but completely distinct from Chinese, albeit maybe some bleed through influence via Korea. Chinese influence doesn't really happen until the 8th century and even then remains a high caste thing, and the style blends a bit with several "re-japanization" movements up until modernity.

The only really "Chinese" based cuisine in modern Japan I can think of is like. Ramen? You'd be hard pressed to try to convince me that Sushi or pic related are remotely chinese

>>507596094 (OP)
>It's impossible that Greek works survived that long!
Maybe because a lot were written in stone and copied over generations.

>>507606833
What about kofun tombs that are banned from being open?

>>507607018
That’s worse, look up the telephone game plus the panache of Christcucks constantly lying and making things up.

>>507596094 (OP)
fomenKO is a UKRIANIAN

>>507606272
you're literally a chink

>>507602680
>Greek paganism still existed
We’ll never be able to comprehend how syncretic medieval Christianity was, supposedly Germans would water their gardens with holy water while singing to Mary before the Protestant reformation .

>>507607377
hating asians is brown coded

>>507607053
Long story short on those, 3rd to 5th century construction, first emperor's following the Yamato period (meaning Yayoi and Jomon people in that region had likely already interbred a good deal).

So basically the Japanese government refuses to have them investigated because it will probably show more "Korean" (once again, proto-Korean/Manchu) influence on early Japan, also genuinely scared that if DNA testing is done it will show some of the first Japanese Emperor's,.aka direct ancestors of the Emperor today, are Korean kek.

Which brings me back to the original point of, history is never about truth or discovery for these people. It's about one saying "we were first!" To make the other two seethe.

Pic related is one I took personality of the kofun btw about 2 months ago

>>507607166
Yah I know the Christians and Jews lied a lot about history, but to say it's entirely fabricated when you have Greek architecture existing is also you being full of shit.

>>507607656
The empires from the European Mediterranean were not fabricated but I believe a lot of the events, characters, stories were heavily altered or fabricated.

Kek,due to my studies I've been "forced" to read many prominent ancient Greek manuscripts, plays, tragedies etc and visit archaeological sites and tombs.
With that being said, it's safe to say that chinks are trying to undermine ancient Greek civilization because at the time they were too busy genociding each other, eating dogs and snakes and their "philosophy" was basically tautologies

>>507608277
I also believe that the Roman Empire was destroyed from cosmic events that destroyed most of their cities.

Tartarian thread?
Tartarian thread!

>>507596094 (OP)
This is obviously written from the point of view of an insecure retard, or worse, a proto-duginist Russian, but the ironical part is that it is actually true but not for the countries listed in their critique. Bulgaria in particular is a very interesting case. It's the only country in Europe where the entire modern historical understanding of its cultural and ethnic ancestry is just false. Like, top to bottom falsified.

>>507608277
Okay but this can be said about a lot of historical events as well from many different cultures. The goal should be to try finding original sources which become challenging over time since a lot of wars and other struggles involved people destroying source material from the losing side. However, we still have standing structures and cities of the past to go by which cannot be faked.

>>507607631
Europeans and Asians bone every single time we interact. It's like natural law.

Truth

Whites erased everybody and claimed inventions as their own in their history books

>whites claim to discover mt everest
>it already had an indigenous name
>whites needed sherpas to climb it and pretend whites did it first

>>507599490
kek

>>507607653
I read that the current emperor down to the 11th century was haplogroup D. The Yayoi came from “Korea” and their YDNA was O2b but modern Koreans are mostly O2a as proven by this. A good chunk of Koreans and Manchus still have O2b but those are the native lineages so it would make sense. The kofun tombs are probably o2b and there’s nothing to seethe about since it’s Yayoi and Japanese are half yayoi half jomon give or take.

>>507606833
ty, Its natural for overlap to exist I guess, just like there is in europe. I like jap style more it feels better to me, I like the simplicity, I wish they got along better but its hard with chinks.


>>507607053
probably has to do with genetics the same way china doesnt want to open their tombs

>>507607631
>say that euro accomplishments are superior to chink accomplishments
>I'm le brown
Ok charlie chin

>>507608642
I don’t dispute the cities and architecture since those are the indisputable evidence they existed. I dispute the written records since they can easily be altered and forged. Tacitus for instance was “rediscovered” from a village church in Germany by an Italian merchant.

>>507609199
We have a similar issue with grave sites in Canada and the US. Some tribes were killed off long before Europeans showed up.

>>507606732
Tartaria stuff is Russian in origin. Also, it’s interesting for the simple fact that it’s harmless fun; no one really believes it outside of 4chan.

>>507596094 (OP)
Of course wipepo lie about everything. Everything they supposedly created was stolen from brown people. Wherever brown people go, whites want to be. It’s really pathetic how obsessed whites are with bbc

>>507609005
they are giga autist and hate each other, you wouldnt understand, even for european terms that we might kill each other at the given chance, we still somewhat hold respect between each other. They dont, they want total extermination.

>>507609701
asiatics just suck and have no honor even among themselves

>>507608597
Ok I made a mistake in my wording, it's not the only country in Europe because there are these like Romania and Macedonia who also run on falsified histories. It's the only one where the falsification isn't even recognized by its own people, as in no one even knows that this is happening. There is a zero immune response. Macedonians and Romanians know that their identities are fake and lie to you for optics because their lies are positive and patriotic, but no one here even realizes that their own falsification of history is the opposite and is an anti-patriotic psyops created by the Great Powers, and most specifically Russia (by using old Serbian propaganda from the pre-liberation days). You ask the average Bulgarian and he genuinely thinks that he's a steppe mongol because that is what he was taught, not realizing that he is culturally and genetically unrelated to anything in that region.

So yes falsifications can happen and they can be pulled off so well that very few people from the country even realize it.

>>507609903
>You ask the average Bulgarian and he genuinely thinks that he's a steppe mongol because that is what he was taught, not realizing that he is culturally and genetically unrelated to anything in that region.
kek same for hungarians, at least them somehow kept some pigdin ugric language

>>507608326
And don't get started on the mysterious 6'5" redheaded mummies found in China in areas where their massive pyramids are located. Chinese were all excited about them until that inconvenient discovery. I suspect, if we looked, we would find that all of their highest traditions, like acupuncture, martial arts, came from these Aryan clans originally.

>>507609688
If only you knew..

In out through forth so and beyond


Sie weissen nicht

>>507598453
My fucking sides.

>>507596094 (OP)
>Western history is a lie
>Of course a third of China after years of civil war was able to mobilize 600,000 soldiers and have them all killed in battle with no repercussions
Believing Chinese history is like taking the Mahabharata as an example of serious history.

>>507596094 (OP)
Supplying a document-backed story of history would be far more effective than this retarded pilpul. This is only useful for identifying the retarded and useless.

>>507596094 (OP)
>fabricated by people hired by italian bankers

>>507596094 (OP)
>Aristotle didn’t exist
Well good thing I am a Xenophon kinda guy, I noticed they didn’t say shit about the Anabasis due to its corresponding verification in Persian and Median sources
So HUH!

>>507596094 (OP)
kwab

>>507610308
when I'm a Chinese schizo in a wewuzzing competition and my opponent is american :skull:

>>507596094 (OP)
I lived in their miserable country for 4 years and they are indeed this insecure. They know deep down that they’re a backward nation that hasn’t produced anything of value for the past 1,000 years. They burnt down their own temples, killed their own poets, and drove anyone with a brain out. They know this and cope with bullshit ‘theories’ like this to feel less inferior.

>>507610308
>Tocharians exist
>American whites start wewuzzing as Chinese
That's akin to someone claiming that Canute Carlemagne was black because Algeria which is near France and for a time part of France has black people.

>>507596094 (OP)
Is this "we wuz kangs" for chinese?
like
Ree Rus Kannngggzzz

>>507597358
Did you read the article?
>The Chinese historiography and classics community either copletely disagrees with this theory or simply does not want to spend tie refuting these claims.

It's like those cringe and fringe white natioanlists we wuzzers who think they invented Chinese civlization, few people believe it

>>507599499
Wait…. The Finno-Korean hyper war…. Was REAL!?

>>507606684
Yes they were.

>>507606732
Don’t you EVER! deny the tartarian empire!

>>507606732
In a technical sense, his Tartaria is fundamentally just another name for a fictional Turko-Slavic empire, not the Tartaria everyone else is familiar with. He certainly didn't come up with the idea.

>>507596094 (OP)
>ho ho we so superior
>you like uh fry rice?

>>507616401
They admitted their history was askew in the 2010s. They closed down over a dozen of their largest museums and seized collections numbering in the tens of millions due to the artifacts being forgeries.

>>507616592
You don't understand the Chinese at all and this shows.
There are two Kunlun in China disputing the fact that they are the actual area of the mythical Kunlun, this has been going on for centuries if not millennia, and they do some weird shit about it.
Same in the museums, it's not about falsifying history, it's about showing your history is better than the neighbors' and you have more well preserved artifacts.
Add that to the very laissez faire approach of the Chinese government before 1992 and this shit was extremely widespread

ohh yes ancestor flied through air, caught lightning and rain with hand
foreign devils will be defeated when ancestors arrive from the heavens

>>507608678
Seriously, the rates of mycenigenation is unreal when those populations overlap
Hawaii and the Bay Area are hapa factories

>>507597612
rome has stone buildings and mosaics anon so we can quibble over details not about aqueducts, writing and roads

>>507596094 (OP)
They are absolute correct, jews suppress the true history of the Finnish empire. Always about the mu 6 gorillion but never a peep about the greatest tragedy in history, the activation of Giza autism array

>>507616887
That isn't unique to China. I know you think you're onto something but bro you're onto literally nothing. Every culture has these stories. Poles saw Lechia on a map in old Scythian lands and now there's a whole bunch that think there was an ancient Slavic Lechian empire that spoke Polish. If you talk to Turks they will tell you Turkish was everywhere two thousand years ago. If you talk to Russians or Czechs they'll tell you ancient Slavs were rubbing elbows with Sumerians. That all sounds like a joke but I assure you it is not.

>>507608760
>Crazy Englishman shows up in the Himalayas
> Tenzing Norgay - mister Edmund, you want to climb… that? Uh… okay, let’s go then
This is hard for you to believe?
They never did it because they thought it was a dangerous and stupid thing to do, not that the couldn’t do it they just never thought it was a good idea and the amount of bodies on the mountain proves their supposition was correct.

Why are Japanese so much better than Chinese, despite them getting a lot of things from China?

China undergoing radical power shift, Xi Jinping being deposed, and no /pol threads on this for days now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KwSNlpaCqo

>>507607653
My Japanese history teacher told us that Japan decided to call themselves "the land of the rising Sun" because the Chinese called them something offensive, deeply offensive. I still wonder what the word was, which would cause a whole country to change its name just to not be called <that>

What was it, anon? You can tell me now. I'm old enough to hear this word.

>>507617348
Hapas are hot

>>507596094 (OP)
This is proof that China actually does

>>507596094 (OP)
>Russian inspired
Kek they can’t even come up with their own cope lol

>>507596094 (OP)
>be nation of mutts LARPing as Han chinks
>destroy all cultural heritage because of one retard
>be left with nothing
>undermine the history of others
We've seen similar scenarios how many times now?

>>507597358
Asiancels are mentally ill and their cope is impenetrable

>>507596094 (OP)
The Roman Epire was completely made up by Italians who stole from the Byzantine Empire and fabricated most of thr statues.

>>507597843
Retard on board

>>507596094 (OP)
>the chinks know
Ωπα, κλείστω.

>virgin poltards
>antivax, chemtrails, flat earth, great replacement, protocols of zion, qanon
>chad chinks
>HISTORY DOESNT REAL

>>507596094 (OP)
What is wrong with this? It is obviously true.

Good Fomenko channel dubbed from Russian. Lots of intersting work.
https://youtube.com/@history_science_or_fiction

>>507596094 (OP)
>reeee you probably got details wrong which probably means the general history of you guys is a lie somehow!11
lol meanwhile 200 million people die in a single chinese revolt or something that intense every half-century and we're supposed to believe "ooo mee han me no mongol" ass chinks arent fucked too. that's history nigger

>>507622443
They're just copying your cutting edge historical research.

>>507597959
Chinese design is mostly gaudy and typical shit skin tier horror vacui trash
The terracotta army is cool though

>>507596094 (OP)
This is going to be the next talking point from TRS.

>>507606264
>>507606344
>>507606684
The fucking Illyrians aren't Albanians you callous nigger they were their own race/phenotype/everything and got unexisted by history. They raided shit, they got crushed and absorbed into Legios.

>>507622948
btw this is what the West is doing to Ukrainians right now, they're destined to be glownigger agents for our empire in a consistently diluting diaspora

>>507607631
It’s not hate more frustration

>>507596630
All those ruins we call Roman we don't really know what they are or when.

There is this bit of extant Roman road between Rochdale and Halifax but when I looked up more info on it in a book from I think 1972 about the Turnpike system in England it turnout out it was built in the 18th Century.

We don't even know if they called themselves Romans. That is our name for them.

>>507596094 (OP)
That's a lot of shit to make up and there's too much evidence of it all. You could pick apart inconsistencies in chink history too. One legit theory like this is that the Aztecs didn't have carved stone buildings, they had no metal tools at all before the Spanish showed up (stone age) so no way to carve stone.

>>507622498
Fomenko makes them seethe, because he shows several times over on several topics that the historians are all collectively lying

China is dismantling Eurocentrism

>>507611534
>>507611861
The "Tocharians were White" theory didn't come from America though.

>>507609903
All countries are fake but some have better storytelling than others.

>>507606073
This alone would actually be way more impressive than Rome and Ancient Greece themselves.

>>507609903
>bulgarians think they are step mongols
OH NO NO NO WHAT THE FUCK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>507606073
Who do you think the kikes answer to?

>>507621652
Chines history is very suspect considering the CCP has been using it heavily as propaganda ever since the great leap forward failed but also because the Jews are involved
they started pushing the “we WAZ China”
In western media around the time china opened up to western manufacturers coincidentally
The 5000 years is laughable bull shit considering China didn’t even exist until after the Roman republic was founded
Furthermore China prevents the scientific community to have access to a lot of their archeological “evidence”

>>507608395
>I also believe that the Roman Empire was destroyed from cosmic events that destroyed most of their cities.
That is possible to infer from the thick layer of black muck that covers "Roman" remains.

I think Mars made its last close pass in the 13th Century and they were still painting pictures of it 200 years later (attached). I think it was called the Windrush at the time and is what the Book of Revelation documents. After we had the Doomsday book as a complete land survey was needed. This has all got muddled with the likely-fictional Norman Conquest in the English mind.

Dedicated image board for this very interesting subject.
https 8kun dot top /catastrophism/

>>507624420
you are confucian now?

>>507596094 (OP)
>Ancient greek sculpture was too fine.
Oh yeah people made a fake Alexander tomb just for shits and giggles.

>>507596344
>the chinks have been settled for much longer
They kinda havent because it was a rice farmer peasantry being continually invaded subsuming the invaders and then larping as then. Most recently mao did this outright declaring everyone han chinese when theyre all cambodian and shit

Give it to me straight lads, the Finno-Korean Hyperwar isn't real, is it?

>>507605780
China claims a 5000 year history, but I believe their oldest known artifacts only go back to about 1600 BC. What we know about Egyptian furfag and Greek/Minoan civilizations go back to about 3100 BC.

>>507610210
>hungarians claiming they are 100% pure-bred aryan Europeans in a throat-song in a Tartar language

>>507625580
This
the Chinese are a mongrel mass that larp as Han
>One people, one nation, one history
It’s all Chicom propaganda
This is why they seethe about Taiwan kek

>>507625860
it happened but not as you were told the death toll was 6million not 10 billion according to scientist

>>507596094 (OP)
A lot of people claim China would be better right wing but they've clearly never dealt with a south korean, seriously, we are blessed that China is a communist shithole or they would already have taken over half of asia.

Now on the other hand, fully block trade to China and India and force them to starve till they can self sustain without being predatory on other country's resources to feed their population.

>>507624822
>OH NO NO NO WHAT THE FUCK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
The majority of academia, that was cultivated by the Soviet Union, accepts this and goes into incoherent seethe mode whenever you point out that they're wrong. And pointing out that they're wrong is so trivial that everyone is doing it nowadays. Nevertheless they specifically go out of their way to die on the hill that we're mongolic turks and they mockingly call the people pointing it out, "thracomaniacs", i.e people obsessed with Thrace.

So basically it goes like this. Picture the Cheddar Man of the UK. Everyone knows that this is a marxist lie supposed to rob you of your nativity to the lands by implying that you stole them from niggers. By doing that any form of nationalism gets dismantled because it is much harder to be proud of being an invader thief than it is to be proud of being native. This is how marxists weaponize anti-nativism propaganda as a form of antifascism.

Well, the exact same thing applies to Bulgaria, but unlike the UK case, it was actually successful here. Self-hating Bulgarians also created the modern Macedonian identity as you know it. Serbs wanted to create it for a century but failed every time because they had no idea how to do it. Only Bulgarians understand Bulgaria well enough to mutate a region out of it in the real way that actually hurts the core Bulgaria. The mongol origin theory is the exact same thing, created by Serbs and enabled by Austro-Hungary and Russia, but it never stuck because they're unrelatable. It took ethnic Bulgarian marxists to finally craft the poison that could actually sell in Bulgaria and become the dominant academic theory.

>>507626128
you have to learn better how to insult other people you have to claim that there are many different languages spoken in china today ("dialects" yeah if french is a german dialect)

they are autistic about language unification (their first emperor made a huge deal out of it and failed even if he succeeded in many ways)

>>507626387
It really shocked me when I learned how many unique languages and cultures there are in China. Completely changed my understanding.

>>507596094 (OP)
In the past few years, the CCP claimed to have found a unicorn fossil. They can shut the fuck up

>>507596094 (OP)
That means public school history teachers are all basically liars and glorified wannabe cops

Lmfao

>>507626693
such rich and diverse tapestry of different languages and cultures
all in chinese borders

>>507596094 (OP)
>Chinks have no soul
>Turns out they are turbo autistic schizos

>>507596094 (OP)
>>507596344
Israeli thread. There are like 10 china hate threads in the catalog right now, all made by israeli flaggots, theyre trying to agutate you to fight ww3 against iran and china

>>507609903
>Romanian history is falsified
Here comes the subanimal cope. Hmm should I btfo you stupid subanimals who say Romanain history is falsified, I don't know, it kinda feels like too much work and you're not worthy anyway.

>>507626172
>SK
>capilatist
If anything, corporatism is what is closest to what they have, which is what China also has. The difference is China is openly authoritarian while SK is covertly so.

>>507626387
I’m not trying to insult anyone just pointing out the obvious
It would be the equivalent of Europe calling themselves “Romans” and claiming 5000 years of history after destroying it in a Jewish designed chimp-out (communism)
The currant “Chinese” state was born of the Manchurian empire which was later taken over by Han commies after the Manchus fell to first Russian then Japan

>>507596094 (OP)

Next thing you know the chiggers are going to claim that they were the ones that built the pyramids.

>>507596594
Jews

>>507626814
Unicorns are western mythical creatures lol

>>507605780
>in the last milllenium
Now do before the last millennium
China copers are the worst

>>507626349
As far as I know the bulgarians were a group of slavs in Moesia that were conquered by the Bulgars, a group of actual mongoloids, but then they reverse assimilated their conqueror within two centuries and they only kept the brand (for licencing purposes I suppose) then they chimped out, carving an empire in process only the incite the divine wrath of THE BVLGARSLAYER who blinded every single bulgarian in existence with his laser eyes.
I have no idea how they bounced back after that, I suspect they must be some kind of tulpa or a horde of soul(and car)stealing doppelgangers.

>>507596094 (OP)
most of history really is. the easiest example is how everything is a dildo to paleolithic archeologists (they project onto dead people ffs, there were no "shield maiden" vikings)
harder examples are things like the Holocaust, the Obsidian Trail, Ogamu etc.

>>507627884
I agree the truth that china has many living languages like catonese is not an insult.

>>507606833
Only thing I can think of right off the top of my head is that chop sticks were Chinese in origin because of Confucius since knifes were considered to be something more for fighting and not at the dinner table.

>>507627416
>I carr him jew but it not working

>>507628099
they translated it to unicorn but it was 100% a Qilin which is a dragon horse more than a western unicorn

>>507628203
>I have no idea how they bounced back from that
as usual, Byzantium did one thing MONUMENTALLY BASED only to veer off into actual mental retardation - as Constantine the VIIIth decided actually ruling his realm was for plebeians; that's how Bulgaria bounced back, by having enemies literally so retarded you'd need to try to lose to them.

So Cicero was in on it when he was referencing Aristotle in his speeches?

>>507624885
>but also because the Jews are involved

>>507628354
I called it feminism of gap when I saw the claim that a fat matron is their aphrodite instead of their demeter..

>>507625980
The oldest known artifacts in China include pottery fragments from the Xianrendong cave, which are about 20,000 years old, and a figurine of a songbird that dates back approximately 13,500 years. These discoveries highlight the early development of art and pottery in ancient Chinese civilization.

>>507596361
While complete works don't typically exist we have fragments and can compare them to what we have to see if they differ, like this section from the Nicomachean Ethics.

>>507628645
Being based is tiring, you have to take things slow and steady to really come to appreciate and understand life you know.
That's the true essense of basedness.
By the way do you have some spare change?

>>507609903
>You ask the average Bulgarian and he genuinely thinks that he's a steppe mongol
So what are you

>>507596344
The Chinese and many other cultures with a history of single authority lack the concept of determining true history by comparing competing narratives. This is because there were no competing narratives - there was only on China, only one Aztec empire, only one emperor of Japan, and so on. Everything is well and good under the control of one guy who is not challenged on his power until he becomes totally degenerate, kills all his children and dies of overdose, at which point a slight amount of social advancement happens until the new hegemons has too firm of a hold to be challenged again.

Europe and Small Asia, in the meanwhile, have always been hosting multiple competing nations, which at all times are looking to make use of each other's weakness. Competition breeds progress, and forces all people to meet on common ground.

If a 15th century german source says that Jan Žižka did not lose a single battle throughout his military career, this comes from a catholic guy who by all means should really want to make this heretic barbarian look bad, but he doesn't. He says 'we ran four crusades into this shithole and got utterly obliterated every time' so it must be true. The part about him having drums made of his skin to lead his troops to battle, that's probably what the historian made up.

>>507613074
>Did you read the article?
Of course not, are you new

>>507628645
That variation between basedness and peak of retardation is a hellenic characteristic since the dawn of our civ.

>>507628706
Jews have been stroking Chinese egos since they dropped “Save Tibet” like a stone in the 90’s and memory holed it
Only to outsource manufacturing there around the same time
Really makes you think

>>507628956
But we have that in Europe as well and arguably more impressive artifacts and structures
there is no Carnac in China

>>507629477
There are no Jews in CCP, no Evangelicucks, no AIPAC, no Hollywood no wall street.
Nobody, NOBODY is as kiked as the USA. USA is the shabbos goy and the golem.
Not China, not Russia.
Americans can't face the lie they are living, the "superior" American culture - Jewish, politics - Jewish, religion - Jewish, economy - Jewish so you have to cope

>>507596094 (OP)
It's true though. The Midichi's payed a literal forger to write the so called lost volumes of various antique writers. It's all circular reasoning.
https://www.unz.com/article/how-fake-is-roman-antiquity/

>>507631038
who would do that? make up things in history that never happened for personal gain?
only the most vile of bastards

But Chinese History is fake too. The Chin emperor was white. His subjects were the "black headed people."

>>507596094 (OP)
>meanwhile the chinks are filling the white tombs all over China with cement
Kek when the fuck will you degenerate midget yellow fellows ever learn

>>507631829
In case this isn't a reference to the "chosen people" and a legit question, it was the Italians ((())) who used the fourth crusade to sack Constantinople and then stole their historical legacy after that.

It's all in the article I linked (and 2 more parts you can link from there.)

>>507596094 (OP)
Can't help but laugh that it's derived from some European works.

>>507596094 (OP)
I love how the Chinese's notion of "whitey has lied to us" actually shows a decent knowledge of western history and actually references historical personas, whereas niggers just decided that anything noteworthy was built by them and anyone noteworthy was one of them and that's that lmfao. Really shows the difference in IQ

>>507597959
Their fake Paris is underoccupied.

Their new tacky cities aren't to redistribute their population, it's a capital investment tool that collapsed a few years ago.

>>507596094 (OP)
That's fuckin rich coming from them.
Reminder that their first emperor was a blonde white man and they gained almost all their renowned and notable technology from white people that were inhabitants from west Asia.
Infact, Asia is probably related to the Aryan word "Asa" [As in Asir]; Asia.

People with actual, accredited history and such don't need to try to discredit other people [so much].

>>507598297
So basically nothing will ever get done due to some crazy face saving stalemate?
That's so depressing, bro.
What I'm seeing here is it's essentially the same everywhere in relation to truly novel discoveries like this.

.

>>507618436
Wa 倭, it basically means submissive people because they used to nearly prostrate as a greeting

>>507599490
This is just retarded pophistory garbage that redditors pumped out in the late 2010s. Chinese censuses weren't accurate and the west has the habit of choosing the highest possible number to show in history textbooks.
rate the naval battle

>>507626349
That cheddar man farce fell apart so spectacularly it was hilarious and the back tracking was even more fun
Speaking of fun, fun fact. The closest ancestor of Cheddar man still lives in Cheddar

>>507596094 (OP)
Isn't the terra cotta soldiers fake? lmao this is coming from them?

>>507596361
Yes, this theory isn't completely implausible.
Wherever there are rich collectors willing to pay for "ancient" artefacts, there will be forgers willing to create them.

They're fucking lying right now about the holocaust and Ukraine being a victim.

>>507596094 (OP)
Thank God they didn't look into the moon landing or holocaust pfff saved by the bell

>>507629284
Another example would be the rivalry between Salahadin and King Richard
Both sides give very similar testimony as to what transpired and both held each other in high estimation, although both would have benefited from denouncements and exaggeration neither side did.
It’s an interesting point in history where we have two narratives that are near simultaneously recorded and bear only superficial differences

>>507630643
The coup of 63 did a number of the states, and the last real president was either Nixon, Ford, or that fucking kook Carter. Since then the tendrils of international finance have absolutely throttled any type of real insurrection against ZOG, it was really only with the break through of information strangle hold that the first surge of the internet that the dominate ZOG narrative has even been possible to challenge and it has set them on a furious rear guard action against its proliferation
And since 2020 they exercised the Sampson option of the demographic tsunami of the open border that the Sephardic kike Meyorka recreated the gates of Toledo 2.0 in order to spike and drown any of Earnest Zundells prophecy from coming true here
Daily reminder that Saul Alinsky the Bolshevik kike that they all worship and utilize his hand book of subversion dedicated his book to Lucifer
>they would truly rather rule hell than serve heaven
Perfect example, the hell on earth Haiti and its sole billionaires, a vile corpulent jew

>>507632877
I was shocked they were able to recover so quickly after their own version of 2008/9 and their real estate scam that would make a Florida jew real estate swamp salesman blush, absolutely imploded, which make me suspect they have not truly recovered and are kicking and insane huge can down the road

>>507596094 (OP)
This is coming from the people that think the Tiger Generals were like super heroes.

>>507636730
Neither did we. We invented AI propaganda to make LLMs seem like AI and seem like we are lightyears ahead of the next guy when LLMs are chatbots which we had back on AskJeeves. It’s all fake

>>507596094 (OP)
Chinky double speak at it's finest.
They are the "tru one civlizion!!!" yet they widely spread the asshurt that is the century of humiliation (百年國恥), also known as the century OF TOTAL BRUTAL MOGGING.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

>Westerners faked their history, there's no way their logs are 100% accurate
>What are you talking about the romance of three kingdoms is 100% true not a single bit was falsified, what, you think people exaggerate their stories and histories?

>>507596094 (OP)
so what is history?
china made everything and somehow evil western pigs took over everything and rewrote history?

>>507608760
Everyone's forgotten about it now, but there was a big argument at the time about whether Hillary or Tensing was the first to the top.

There's a BBC documentary about this controversy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdeC6FIK0s

>>507609380
I've forgotten details, but remember a controversy in Canada over some tribe trying to lay claim to a particular piece of land
The thing is, they only arrived in the area after the Europeans, but their "oral history" said it was theirs
(Kind of like how the Jews claim Palestine - except we have lots of documentary/archaeological evidence of Jews in Palestine in ancient times.)
Once money/land comes into stake, manufactured "fake history" becomes a serious problem for historians

>>507597612
Yes, I do.

>>507596094 (OP)
>Greece and Rome were myths
This is turbo copium. I wonder why niggers and jews never tried it before.
>inb4 the guy who created it was a jew

>>507640186
They do. They are hilariously bad at it.
>Muddy Waters invented electricity
Lmao even

Asiatic cope.

>>507617786
I first encountered these theories about how ancient med history was fake from a Norwegian guy IIRC. He was a big Nordic nationalist and insisted Italians invented all this stuff in medieval era.
(IIRC, he was a woodworker by profession and was particularly dismissive of ancient claims that Greeks/Romans/Egyptians had ginormous wooden ships capable of carrying thousands of people.)
I thought this was ridiculous at first.... but the more I thought about it, the more I thought he might have a point.
Ancient writers exaggerated. Then you have problem of transmission, with documents being copied again and again - often by people with agendas of their own (e.g. Christian monks who liked to edit ancient documents to have famous non-Christians like Josephus praising Jesus)
It's all a big mess. Trying to find out the truth is a headache.

>>507596094 (OP)
chinese history is mostly mythology.
we only get a sense of what was going on after european contact.

>>507634745
Impressive, wtf did you do to wreak such havoc?

>>507634364
>Wa-koku
new slur unlocked!

>>507596094 (OP)
the chinese have no history.
it was taken over 10 times in the last two hundred years and the thousand years before that it was taken over every 50 years roughly since antiquity.

>>507633176
We have well preserved mummies from ancient china which show that people back then looked much like they do today
OTOH, there are interesting questions about how e.g. chariots got to China.
Historical consensus I believe is that they were an indigenous invention and nothing to do with aryans.

>>507596094 (OP)
shizo chinese theories sound interesting as fuck
>ancient greek did not exist
lol fucking based. I need to drop my meds and look these stuff up

>>507642713
It’s true. How many primary sources do you have for events, like two? Lmao. Everything is written long after the fact. Like Herodotus

Another interesting question is how ironworking got to Africa.
Traditional explanation is that it was introduced to West Africa by Phoenicians during Punic Wars.
Current consensus however is that it was indigenous invention -- and historians better not question this if they know what's good for them
This would make Africans only people in Old World to jump directly from Stone age to Iron age without intervening Bronze Age.

>>507596094 (OP)
Almost all history theories I can think of that directly challenge the authenticity of Western history are Russian. The pseudo-history of Greece however is absolutely worth reading, there's an abundance of forgeries dating back to the early Renaissance. Even the guy who constructed the theory of Luwians in Anatolia was called out for forgery. Whatever this Chinese guy is talking about is one to one exactly the same thing that the USSR said when they were arguing against the legitimacy of the west's hereditary claims on government. There's a passage in Nationalism and Culture that says Thales the Milesian was educated by Berossus, now that's universally seen as false because the narrative keeps changing. We don't even have direct records it's mostly pseudepigrapha. Brits wanted to create a 'Greek' identity so they could nationalize the Balkans before the Russians could, which is why they're still mad about it. You have the national philhellenism and orthodox philhellenism, Russia's claims back then were because they were asserting that they were the third Rome and the true successor to Byzantine. Fomenko is an artefact of that dispute, but he wasn't doing it from the standpoint of orthodoxy he was trying to delegitimize the national governments in the Balkans and turn them into Soviet Republics.

>>507635022
A good test of the integrity of an ancient historian is if they equate north Africans with black people.
They don't have to professionally self-immolate by openly denying it, just equivocate a little.
But the ones who directly make this assertion (like Mary Beard) aren't serious people and nothing else they say can be believed.

yog

>>507596094 (OP)
the holocaust too?

>>507622948
Hey gypsy nigger, their genes are the same as our genes. Same YDNA. You do know what that is right? Nah you wouldn’t know since your father isn’t your father.

>>507596886

It’s just Russians employing old Soviet tactics.

“The people will be bombarded with so much false information that it will become impossible to reach a logical conclusion about anything”

-Yuri Bezmenov

And just like Yuri said the right wing fell for it completely. Phantom time hypothesis, tartaria, the false chronology hypothesis, and this theory are all examples of this. They’re easily disproven by archeological evidence but the goal isn’t to be believed forever. Just long enough to keep piling up a mountain of theories and conspiracies until the people can’t function because they can’t agree on anything. The Chinese should be pissed off that the Russians dare to lie to them like that but it feeds their ego so they believe such an easily disproven lie. That’s how the Soviets tricked most right wingers into doing what they want

>>507645163
Too bad c4 dating is suss. Phantom theory is definitely plausible and knowing how elites lie is likely probable.

>>507645163
Funny Yuri never once mentioned any reactionary movements or even talked about the right wing and only mentioned the “political prostitutes” of Marxist true believers
But I am sure you knew that

>>507623181

It’s impressive that everything you said is just completely and totally wrong. SPQR was written everywhere in Rome. There are thousands of examples. Senatus Populusque Romanus Aka the senate and people of Rome. This was shortened to Rome and Roman to make it easier. Those near Rome called themselves Latin or by their tribe is not Latin. We do know what they called themselves. We have a lot of evidence of it. We also have a lot of evidence from many different locations throughout Europe that the Romans built the things attributed to them. If you ignore pretty much everything we’ve ever researched about Rome then your theory might make sense. There is zero chance you’re actually a Brit. No European with an IQ that’s room temperature or higher would ever suggest that something so easily probable is false with no real evidence falsifying it

>>507623238

Most of these crackpot theories fall apart when you ask for evidence such as the phantom time hypothesis. Those who are definitively proven wrong will still go on repeating the known lie because it’s not about uncovering some lost truth, it’s about tricking dumbasses into believing what you want. It’s a scam. If you fall for this then you are falling for a scam. You’re dumber than the old boomers who get tricked by Indians into buying them gift cards


The Aztecs were relatively new in the area when the Spanish arrived. The Aztec “empire” didn’t even make it 100 years. They were possibly related to the Comanche (the most barbaric of North American tribes) and they were troglodytes who descended from the north. This is their own history. They then started flaying people and being murderous psychopaths. They farmed the indigenous people for human sacrifices. Their rapid economic growth was from stealing from everyone else in the region. They lacked tech and lacked understanding of how to run an empire. they were already collapsing before the Spanish even got there. When the Spanish arrived everyone who wasn’t an Aztec flipped to the Spanish side. The only way a few hundred guys defeat an empire that large is by having everyone else in the area hate that nation

>>507596094 (OP)
Chinks destroyed their own culture.
Taiwan is the only thing that remains of the true China.

>>507642529
are you thinking of that phony mummy that's yellow?

>>507596094 (OP)
Yeah they sweeped the Finno-Korean Hyperwar under the rug.

>>507645861
yuri was a dishonest shill who told the reagan admin what he thought he wanted to hear
soviet union prohibited foreign dalliances for their spies, he fucked indian poon

>>507647950
Yuri’s observations and predictions have been born out by observable reality.
>soviet union prohibited foreign dalliances for their spies, he fucked indian poon
Literally his stated reason for defecting, to burn curry and coal. Not a joke he even talked about it saying stuff like
>Marx forbid I not have a fat Russian wife, not even my chromosomes were my own!
The dirty boy just wanted to play in brown poosei. It was always the funniest thing to me that was the reason, not ideological not physical danger or material comfort or financial advancement
Nope! Just wanted to pound Indian girls and have a submissive bed wench negra
>mfw the things jungle fever does to a man

>>507648772
nah timing is key and he got it wrong, he hyped the threat up soviets collapsed instantly you retcon and in hindsight change is alarmism to longterm tendency prognostication sorry anon

he is good if you want to learn about how revolutionary moments happen and can be exploited