The British, French, Spanish and even Portuguese had glorious empires stretching the globe. Where is Italy's great empire? Why did they fail at colonization?

>>507617009 (OP)
too many niggers

>>507617009 (OP)
They had Rome you fucking american education produce.

>>507617240

That doesn't count I am talking modern age

they tried to rebuild Roman Empire but got rekt by niggers in Ethiopia

>>507617009 (OP)

>>507617009 (OP)
France, UK, and Spain have been united countries for centuries.
unification of Italy and Germany only happened in the mid XIX century when the colonial expansion wasn't a trend any more and basically all the world had been conquered already by the formers.
That's why the latters had a small colonial empire that has been lost after WW1 for Germany and after WW2 for Italy.

>>507617009 (OP)
Mussolini tried but he was too retarded, he was in power for 20 years but failed to prepare his country for war, while Hitler did it in 10

>>507617009 (OP)
argentina and new jersey

>>507617009 (OP)
It's a purely geographical term.
They were a mishmash of small kangdoms until 1860. Then they were hindered by the krauts up north having to feed the arabs down south.

>>507617009 (OP)
bait or mental retardation?

>>507617009 (OP)
spanish empire is roman empire

>>507617993
>It's a purely geographical term.

And now austria-hungary is no more, curious.

>>507617009 (OP)
we are already perfect, we have no need for pesky colonial shitters

>>507617009 (OP)
The Dutch also had a great empire.
The Dutch Republic was so dynamic and influential in the second half of the 1600s that England, France, and Spain worked together to target its commerce and political power. It could have become the premier power in Europe.

>>507617009 (OP)
Each city state within Italy had more wealth than most countries, which is why they were constantly being picked apart and played against each other for centuries. By the time of the unification they had been almost completely plundered and set back by constantly wars. Their chief concern was getting their shit together and to this day they still haven't accomplished that. This is exactly why they were so far behind at the start of WW1 and WW2.

>>507618137

Probably the closest to Rome. I think Spain mogs Rome and the entire Italian history . They did so much more

Why yes I'm a proud heir of Caesar how could you tell

When you were colonizing I was taking a nap
When you were killing savages I mastered cooking the pasta
While you wasted your days in the congo in pursuit of vanity I ate a pizza

>>507617009 (OP)
>and even the portuguese
nigger, if wasn't the portuguese none of these other gay countries you mention would be anything in terms of empire.

>>507617009 (OP)
The Olive Garden

>>507617240
Not a global power

>>507618275
Northern italy is actually richer than most european countries, it's the southern parts that drag them down.

>>507617009 (OP)
The anwser to all of your questions is always pic related.

>>507617009 (OP)
Too much infighting and rivalry between cities,regions,states and princes,plus the pope is in italy which causes massive stress and makes everyone focus on their own towns and cities as the pope is the emissary of god and they have nowhere to flee to,no incentive to spread anything,ideas,inventions etc. ,lack of proximity to any ocean or major body of water,being part of the HRE and investing all their time and attention into central Europe (Germany,czechia,austria-the 30 years war)

>>507617363
Then spanish french and Portuguese dont count... i am talking industrial age

>>507617240
lol dumb jew fell for the bait

>>507618582
>Not a global power
>Rome

If it reunited today it would be,see>>507617760 it controls much of europe asia africa etc.

>>507618610

Veneto was so poor 1/3rd had to flee to Brazil, Argentina, Mexico to survive

>>507618819
yeah i'm ethnic veneto and my family immigrated to argentina,usa,belgium, and canada. there was mass emigration. If if wasn't for mass emigration, Veneto would have at least double the population today

>>507617918

Italian generals and admirals failed during WW1 and accused the troops of cowardice.
After that they turned the Armed Forces into a daycare for themselves while licking Mussolini's boots.
During WW2, when they saw the things were going south, they went south too, literally, with the king straight in the arms of the enemy while Italian people and soldiers had to deal with allied bombs and pissed off Germans.
After the war they easily managed to give all the blame to the king and the fascism.

>>507618610
if northern italy just kicked out all the niggers and had good fertility rates / salaries, it would be the place in europe. it already contends for that title

>>507617009 (OP)
As much as I like to hate on pasta niggers ( for fun) , the Roman Empire was based but too bad Hadrian didn't finish the kike job

>>507617867
>France, UK, and Spain have been united countries for centuries.
Yeah Calogero, what Lombardy and Tuscany would have needed was being plundered and ethnically replaced by Siculo-neapoltans centuries before 1859.
That would have really boosted 'it*ly'.
To become the zombie post-human garbage dump it is today.

>>507617009 (OP)
>Why did they fail at colonization?
Turks.

>>507617240
>walked right into it
you guys really have no impulse control at all

>>507619127

I've read that lake como area, which is basically heaven on earth, is ruined now. Plus the newest thing for new money Americans is to have your wedding at lake como

>>507619413
us ethnic polentoni have some of the lowest criminality rates in the world.

Northern Italy has homicide rate of around 0.3 on average, and half of those are by non-polentoni. So we have a homicide rate of maybe 0.15. The homicide rate of the US is 33 times higher

>>507619127
There is no northern 'it*ly'.
Its name is Lombardy.
Genetic and historic nations are not cardinal points.

>>507618610
The two sicilies was in the process of modernization and during the reunification they got kicked down so hard that they never recovered financially. They turned into a purely agrarian society.

>>507619474
I've never been to lake como. Anyways, real niggas go to lago di garda

I don't mind lake como becoming rich tourists as long as the locals can make good money off it to simulate the economy. we have many lakes/ vacation areas in italy that are 100% ethnic italians. non-italians just don't know about them

>>507619709
nigga im not lombard im veneto. my family origin is from germanic invaders though apparently

>>507619913

Doubtful if you're venetian. They generally cluster with spaniards and portuguese on a PCA map. Even the venetian dialect is basically spanish

>>507619599
Having zero criminals is not a good thing when you have to avoid being genocided.
The bovine good goyim working and paying taxes while the world around them crumbles are useless or damaging.

>>507620050
not tryna dox myself but my family name is germanic

>>507617009 (OP)
They were a split bunch of nations during the era of victorian colonization.
>>507619913
Austrian* remember prussia and austria weren't unified yet.

>>507619913
Venetia is a region of Lombardy, genetically and historically.

>>507620398
I'm talking about germanic invaders from roman empire times, not austrian empire times.

>>507617009 (OP)
-the political structure of italy after the middle ages didn't allow for a "natural" unification, in fact helped foreign powers to seize part of it
-no easy access to the oceans
-potential colonial territory was of no real value of any sort
-general fall behind the rest of european power, both in terms of economics and military

>>507619429
Yup.
I hate roaches so much.

>>507618684
desu calling the roman empire exclusively "italian" is not accurate

>>507621408
how so?

>>507620860
Italy is still way better to live in than bongland when you consider the weather, food and culture. The UK is slowly becoming a muslim caliphate unlike Italy. Even your women are prettier on average.

And yet all shiterica had was degenrate garbage and kneeling for niggers while slowly colapsing lmao your empire will be known for bbc cuckporn and kneeling lmao

>>507617240
Not Italian

>>507622265
I agree but unfortunately bongoland isn't a high bar to jump

>>507622265
I haven't been to the UK, but I second this.

>>507622371
You're a moron. You're posting some leftist image of times where the US has bombed brown people, then complaining that they support browns.

>>507622265
UK or United Shitdom is full of Shitish. Its a fucking dead pedo rapefest shithole who have let niggers and pakis dictate their whole culture to them lol.

>>507622566
Nope just showing you how their empire failed even via bombs and bullets.

The french ruined my country by being colonizers. I hate the french and they still are here and think they are so smart. The italians are cool because they didnt ruin my country and are kind.

>>507622678
what percent of london is english?

>>507622566
Oi moite hows ya young girl being pimped out by pakis lad? Fookin currys well good init bruv fucking ell moite luv pakis and niggers get me bruv your culture has been erased and dominated by shitskins within afew decades HAHAHAHA

>>507621732
Rome at it's peak was just non-italians carrying italy. And there is no difference from a conquered etruscan from italy than from a conquered celt from another region.

>>507622771
If it wasn't for them, your country wouldn't exist in the first place.

>>507622678
You're fucking retarded. We have gone from the richest nation on Earth per capita to a ruined one, and the average American is 2x wealthier than Brits, and you're talking shit like some barely literate chav moron as if we have anything to gloat over.

>>507622799
0% the country is maybe 40 or 50% if that. Shitskins everywhere. White brits are cucks do nothing and sit inside on playstation or down pub.

>>507622873
We would have had progress without them. Look at our homes now because of them

>>507623023
Are you ethnic somali or afar?

>>507622911
Yes Shiterica is south africa 2.0. You state fake stats like they mean anything, go america,its a shithole nigger infested dump. You think our niggers are bad lol wait to see theirs.

>>507617009 (OP)
Anyway how did kingdom of Naples being as developed as northern Italy end up like that in the end?

>>507617009 (OP)
Italy colonized Western Europe so those nations you mentioned could go on to colonize the world.

>>507622911
Also how is that retarded? That is the american empire in jpeg. Its a total fucking joke. All they sell is poison and degenerate culture.

>>507622911
All thanks to us Serbs

I am personally really ashamed of what my people did to your country and the West 111 years ago

Never forget what we did to you

>>507623215
spanish colonization didn't industrialize the land. Also, it's position closer to the the mediterannean wasn't as useful as the arab world had fallen behind and wasn't as important in trade as europe had become (northern italy was closer to the industrializing rest of europe)

Also, there's some bullshit where southerners like to claim they were conquered, not liberated, by garibaldi and the risorgimento in general but that's all bullshit.

>>507622845
All of those conquered peoples were directed by native Italians. It wasn't until later in the empire --when it was far passed its peak-- that non-Italians were carrying the empire.

>>507623132
Issa tribe

>>507618582
Rome at its peak governed over 25% of the global population, it was undoubtedly a global power insofar as one could be at that time.

>>507623572
Most of the soldiers, administratiors, engineers, architects, etc weren't italian by the era of the 5 good emperors

>>507619789
Lake Garda is very nice but the fat disgusting Germans totally ruin the experience

>>507617240
Rome was actually Byzantine.

>>507617009 (OP)
They ruled the only parts of the world that mattered for centuries.

>>507619127
I saw lots of brown shitskins causing trouble on the streets of Verona. Way more brown indian and arab niggers there being wanton than in Rome or Florence by a wide margin

>>507624083
Ok. I was asking because I was going to compare you to your people outside of Djbouti. Somaliland (Issa clan) is not better off than Djbouti.

Djbouti has an amazing location, and is a beautiful country with a beautiful coastline. Also a small population, which makes it more managable. Also a relatively low fertility rate (2.7), meaning population growth will be managable.

If I was to consult Djbouti, I'd say that it needs to bring in French and Gulf investment to become the Singapore of the Red Sea. Also invest in tourism on the coast and even in the red desert which is very unique and beautiful.

If Djbouti can also become industrialized, it has a perfect position on the world's largest trade routes to export its goods.

Djbouti has a very good situation in my opinion. It is so lucky for all it's foreign capital coming in. That is not a luxury most African countries have.

>>507624390
yeah that's why I said we need to kick out the niggers

>>507624155

there was an italian guy on here that said he feasted on german milf tourists there. That is his hunting grounds.

>>507624390
I am only going back to Europe ONE more time and it will be to see Rome for the last time before shit hits the fan and to see a museum in northern Italy

Also I will see family that just moved to Croatia

>>507624155
I know there are so many Germans. A lot of the real estate ads are in German too. There's something off putting about the Germans and their caravan trailers. It could be worse though

>>507617009 (OP)
Centuries of being a hundred different small nations with bitter rivalities did not help the Italian population achieve the ancient dreams of Rome.
That's exactly what happened.
The greatest extents of influence the peninsula has managed to achieve were with the Genoa and Venetian maritime empires, the Renaissance, and giving birth to countless explorers, conquerors, military tacticians (at least pre-WW1) and artists.
As much as I hate this country, only brown people would deny the influence Italy and Italians had on the western world.

>>507624920
The issue we are facing right now is the US and China are fighting over Africa in secret wars. We are the prize in their fight.

>>507625283
EUR is so underutilized. Whatever people want to say about Mussolini, that's a beautiful building. It's the building of Italian civilization if i'm not mistaken

>>507625338
Singapore, too. Singapore has learned how to play the two countries off each other. Thus, it receives major investment and opportunities from both.

>>507625409
>It's the building of Italian civilization if i'm not mistaken
It is.
Feel free to run the marble inscription through google translate, it's Italian with latinized U's (V's).
And maybe ask yourself why your continent is called America nowadays.

>>507617009 (OP)
Where the fuck is Corsica? Did I just switch timelines again?

There were no italy in the colonisation era

>>507625608
China beat Djibouti's weak willed president. Now there is a whole chinese port and the stinky chinkies exist in the streets

>>507625693
I speak italian lol. i'm ethnic italian, too. I know America is named for Amerigo Vespucci. Cristoforo Colombo, Giovanni da Verrazzano, and Giovanni Caboto were also important Italian explorers in the New World.

if i'm not mistaken, the inscription is translated as "a people of poets, artists, heroes, saints, thinkers, scientists, explorers, and emigrants"

>>507617009 (OP)
>be american
>wake up
>drink your "expresso"
>eat pizza
>eat ice cream
>go to bed
>repeat
there's your italian empire

>>507625886
Is the Chinese port at least providing natives with jobs/ economic stimulants? Is there a service economy propping up around the port bringing in foreign capital from the foreigners? If not, the Djibouti government is failing

Italy is a meme country and Illyria was the most important part of Rome for tax returns, not even Shitaly.

>>507617009 (OP)
Modern Italy was a bongistani thing.

>>507626079
"A nation" would be more apt, but it doesn't matter.
Why the fuck do you speak pasta?

>>507626600
What was Italy like in Roman times then, if Illyria was so great?

>>507626817
italian is my first language kek. dialetto actually but yeah.
>why
because i'm italian?

>>507618213
This. What good did those colonial empires bring? Great Britain flooded with jeets and pakis? France overrun with niggers and nafris? Niggers in every corner of the world where the white man brought the jews with them, from the USA to South Africa to New Zealand?

>>507626508
No. China port is only for China, and is attached to a chinese military base.
There is two ports in Djibouti city. Big port for everyone and china port. We all work the big port, or farm, or work for a local foreign military's custodial.

>>507617009 (OP)
It's the Vatican.
They are collapsing colonizers right now.

>>507627595
Crazy.... how much rent/lease is China paying?
At least they built the Ethiopia - Djibouti railway. You have a monopoly on Ethiopian trade to the outside world. oy vey....

I could see Djibouti becoming the economic capital of the Horn of Africa if it ever starts to grow its middle class. It'll need financial and infrastructure reforms of course to attract that of course.

>>507617380
They didn't . Kinda.
Their run their New Roman Empire out of London, Switzerland and the Vatican right now.

>United Nations, World bank, Swift, World Health org, WEF, etc.
>money printing central banking empire
>where is this all located???

>>507628114
Im unsure. From what I know, china scams all african countries into deals that are good for them, bad for us.

>>507628527
It seems to me though that the Belt and Road initiative has massively slowed down. Much/most of the endeavors aren't profitab;e

>>507617380
To be fair, Ethiopians are premium niggers.

>>507629616
I was going to say this too, kek. they're alright...

>>507627595
Why did France fail to contain China? Don't they have a Foreign Legion military outpost in your country?

>>507617009 (OP)
Much like the krauts, they instead preferred being Austro-French rapebabies for hundreds of years.