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Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507643965 [Report] >>507644089 >>507644522 >>507645006 >>507645177 >>507645219 >>507646043 >>507646132 >>507646719 >>507646815 >>507647101 >>507647274 >>507648564 >>507648655 >>507648748 >>507648755 >>507648957 >>507650643 >>507650839 >>507650922 >>507652475 >>507653943 >>507658658 >>507658670 >>507660054
Can Indians be considered human?
Anonymous (ID: YYdtPkiM) United States No.507644089 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
imagine the buddy friend love time
Anonymous (ID: pb8psuPs) Russian Federation No.507644100 [Report] >>507649234
Anonymous (ID: 4oAtTx0A) United States No.507644381 [Report] >>507644913
Sleeping on just a mattress is so subhuman
Anonymous (ID: Sntuoct+) Canada No.507644522 [Report] >>507652160
>>507643965 (OP)
No
Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507644913 [Report] >>507645875 >>507647465 >>507652218
>>507644381
>but saaar we Indians are CEOs! We have highest household income saar
Anonymous (ID: I4oIJwh7) No.507645006 [Report] >>507645834 >>507645875 >>507651044 >>507660193 >>507661851
>>507643965 (OP)
>500 bucks for a room
>RatJEETS will pack as many of them as needed to pay
>Landlords notice this and import more jeets
>AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE rent prices go up
>*vote libshit to import more JEETS to own DRUMPFT*
>Rent and housing become even more unaffordable
>*Blame cgpitalism*
Leftoids need to be murdered
Anonymous (ID: ixQceEU/) United States No.507645177 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
Can Canadians?
Anonymous (ID: cQ8XGPsj) No.507645219 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
>malton
These Indians are never going to make it. They should pack their bags and go home.
Anonymous (ID: nyG+A495) United States No.507645223 [Report] >>507645524 >>507646624 >>507650348 >>507664773
How is that not illegal?
Anonymous (ID: XHcIm0Pl) United Kingdom No.507645524 [Report]
>>507645223
j***
Anonymous (ID: cDb78PhR) Chile No.507645834 [Report] >>507647809 >>507649687
>>507645006
That is literally capitalism you retard
Anonymous (ID: 94AeuR1h) United States No.507645875 [Report] >>507647338
>>507644913
>>but saaar we Indians are CEOs! We have highest household income saar
Kek, there's videos of literal dozens of these vermin packed in a single room apartment like roaches.
>>507645006
On the bright side the slumlords will have to pay for heavy duty cleaning services to get all the fecal matter, bacteria, garbage, dried cum and all other body waste out from their hive.
Anonymous (ID: 2ZsgNCB6) Canada No.507646043 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
that is fucking illegsl - call it in, ffs
Anonymous (ID: 90AUXWvm) Canada No.507646132 [Report] >>507649824
>>507643965 (OP)
It looks comfy
Anonymous (ID: qSumIXTA) Canada No.507646624 [Report]
>>507645223
Most municipalities just do a 1 off fine for illegal suites/multiple subletting. corruption runs deep everywhere here bud
Anonymous (ID: 6mPtTT2M) Canada No.507646719 [Report] >>507649899
>>507643965 (OP)
That's 475 per mattress, right? Otherwise you're not even gonna break even.
Anonymous (ID: HquzzE+N) Canada No.507646815 [Report] >>507651460
>>507643965 (OP)

>boys

Why do jeets talk like this?
Anonymous (ID: 94AeuR1h) United States No.507647101 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
Bumping this thread to talk about their gas stations; did you know that they fucking LIVE in 3/5 of those corner stores or gas stations they're always fucking in? I call them slop shops
Anonymous (ID: 7sI12d0s) Finland No.507647103 [Report] >>507647611 >>507648504 >>507666747
No.
Anonymous (ID: PLPF8/8d) United Kingdom No.507647274 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
Imagine the smell
Anonymous (ID: LZz/gnRP) United States No.507647338 [Report]
>>507645875
See that's the trick
Rent it out as a slum lord
Yeah it'll get trashed
kick that can down the road 10 or 15 years
Then sell it with the renters in it to some new landlord saying it's generating X revenue per month along with rent i crease projections and conveniently leave out property tax increases insurance increases HOA increases etc
Sell it at a premium or market value not
After you've milked a to of value sell it to some sucker for an inflated price
Anonymous (ID: Hvaia8gs) Canada No.507647465 [Report] >>507647795 >>507648214
>>507644913
Key word there is household. You know their pooling the income of 30 jeets driving uber eats living in a one bedroom apartment to make it seem like their doing good.
>friend managers some apartment building jeets keep an heroing in.
Anonymous (ID: LZz/gnRP) United States No.507647611 [Report]
>>507647103
Time to fumigate
Anonymous (ID: PLPF8/8d) United Kingdom No.507647795 [Report] >>507648662
>>507647465
kek, why do the jeets anhero?, I thought it is their dream to be in Canada...
Anonymous (ID: /8g6/Alf) Canada No.507647809 [Report] >>507649135 >>507651908
>>507645834
Then why are leftists enabling it? Am I the real socialist now because I want to stop mass-immigration from ruining the labor and housing market?
Anonymous (ID: czx2tNAB) France No.507648214 [Report] >>507648807
>>507647465
>jeets keep an heroing in.
any story?
Anonymous (ID: P31nQEzE) United States No.507648504 [Report] >>507650094
>>507647103
My voice kept getting higher and higher with the count. I got to twenty-six people. Holy shit.
Anonymous (ID: B6dwyjDt) Costa Rica No.507648564 [Report] >>507650363 >>507665062
>>507643965 (OP)
pretty sure you can report that landlord to authorities since there are rules and laws regarding dwelling.
Anonymous (ID: lEhKKm9+) Canada No.507648655 [Report] >>507649418
>>507643965 (OP)
im shocked the jeets have a canadian flag on the wall and not an indian one
Anonymous (ID: Hvaia8gs) Canada No.507648662 [Report]
>>507647795
Not sure. I assume its because their easy to replace so when their to retarded to work tims or uber they go broke and off themselves.
Anonymous (ID: tyvypOvl) United States No.507648748 [Report] >>507663286 >>507664312
>>507643965 (OP)
Ah Ching Chong ping long
Anonymous (ID: j122IhoH) Denmark No.507648755 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
No, nor can arabs, jews and polynesians
Anonymous (ID: Hvaia8gs) Canada No.507648807 [Report]
>>507648214
No just him complaining about having to clean it up for the roommates so they can keep living there.
Anonymous (ID: J4QwXeVX) Brazil No.507648957 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
$475 total, right?
Anonymous (ID: 1lgoOED9) No.507648970 [Report] >>507650489 >>507659214 >>507660104
why do you let them in? i don't understand how people became so fucking stupid
Anonymous (ID: os3MFo2x) Russian Federation No.507649135 [Report] >>507649569
>>507647809
>calls foreigner-importing rentier capitalists "leftists"
>Am I the real socialist
Anonymous (ID: 0OTeQZAm) United States No.507649234 [Report] >>507649938
>>507644100
Saar, please providing accurate picture of Canada
Anonymous (ID: B6dwyjDt) Costa Rica No.507649418 [Report]
>>507648655
landlord put it there to remind streetshitters that they are in Canada and not in Poondia, that way they won't bitch or try something since landlord probably reminds them everyday that with just one phone call he can send them back to Shitlandia
Anonymous (ID: /8g6/Alf) Canada No.507649569 [Report] >>507649996
>>507649135
You're Russian so I understand your confusion but our communists and socialists (or those that self-describe as such) unironically advocate for mass-immigration and will attack people that oppose it.
Anonymous (ID: 6YwPjaKD) United Kingdom No.507649632 [Report]
This is just part of the culture that comes with living under heat thats so extreme it drives you mad. Lots of metaphysics that I dont wish to get into.
Many indians who live like this regret leaving, but feel obligated to stay because the West is sold as the promise land
All of this is part of India's strategy to increase soft power by building up a massive diaspora. It's extreme but it will work. You will be mad, but you won't do anything, and in the future you will accept it as the new normal.
Turns out, you couldn't just offshore all your slave labour to countries in the global south and not expect it to eventually catch up with you. Sucks to suck
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507649687 [Report]
>>507645834
*a fire hazard
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507649824 [Report]
>>507646132
We can spoon to fit more in!
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507649899 [Report]
>>507646719
>That's 475 per mattress, right?
Looks like it lol. I pay roughly that for a whole house.
Anonymous (ID: /8g6/Alf) Canada No.507649938 [Report] >>507653075 >>507660676 >>507664117
>>507649234
I will find out how true this is when i got to Toronto later this summer. Us Quebecers get niggers and muzzies instead, so frankly I'm not sure who is better off between us and the anglos.
Anonymous (ID: 6YwPjaKD) United Kingdom No.507649996 [Report] >>507657172
>>507649569
Your nation is nothing more than a british slave colony. Your culture is a bastardisation of your American neighbours. Your identity a mere 10 years ago was bragging about being "post-nation". You have an abundance of land that will be turned into urban spaces in the future. It has been decided that your slave colony will be populated with the former members of another colony. Arguably, India is still a colony since its constitution is based on european legal framework.
Anyway
This has been decided. There's nothing you can do about it. Only constant is change blah blah blah
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507650094 [Report]
>>507648504
>people
Read OP.
Anonymous (ID: LtAL9pZf) Canada No.507650348 [Report]
>>507645223
ITS PART OF OUR RELIGION BLOODY BITCH BASTARD BENCHOD...DONT INSULT THE 4 ARMED PURPLE GODDESS OF YOGA MORTHERFUCK BITCH
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507650363 [Report]
>>507648564
Wouldn't work. "Housing crisis." (coincidentally caused by excessive jeet numbers)
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507650489 [Report] >>507652227
>>507648970
I've been saying we need mass deportations for years.
Anonymous (ID: AqgWstRY) Canada No.507650643 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507650839 [Report] >>507654127 >>507659400 >>507666352
>>507643965 (OP)
We need more basement flooding.
Anonymous (ID: YTqpLejz) Australia No.507650913 [Report] >>507651081 >>507651337 >>507652537 >>507652878
Whats the collective noun for a group of jeets?
>a stank
Captcha: poo2rd
Anonymous (ID: pQbkMJK2) Sweden No.507650922 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)

I lived like that for a lot more during university. The west is truly a miserable place but at least we have people from the third world to ensure nothing improve since their lot is a lot worse. Remember the words of Elon Musk "We should have mandatory 80 hour work weeks at a minimum" while every fucking laborer is handicapped by the age of fifty and we should retire at 75. It's impressive that we can endlessly multiply the output but the lives of individuals just degenerate into the worst times in human history.
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507651044 [Report]
>>507645006
If they treat the slumlord like a monitor lizard I won't shred a tear.
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507651081 [Report]
>>507650913
They're fitting 2 per bed? These sirs aren't shy.
Anonymous (ID: izv9THgg) Australia No.507651337 [Report]
>>507650913
They're redeeming 1 bed for each 2? These sirs aren't shy.
Anonymous (ID: BgIh23pU) United States No.507651460 [Report] >>507662077
>>507646815
lel i noticed too
You’ll see jeets saying “I am a 34 year old boy wanting girl”. They never refer to themselves as men.
Anonymous (ID: Gmd73gpT) Canada No.507651908 [Report]
>>507647809
>Then why are leftists enabling it?
Because they're lupenproles
>Am I the real socialist now because I want to stop mass-immigration from ruining the labor and housing market?
Yes. Or at least that's definitely a socialist opinion.
Anonymous (ID: 28Ewlrhs) No.507652160 [Report]
>>507644522
fpbp /thread
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507652218 [Report] >>507652425 >>507657319 >>507659770
>>507644913
the household in question
Anonymous (ID: mBsSawJr) United States No.507652227 [Report]
>>507650489
the fuck happened in 2013

the "stop the boats" campaign was universally supported, oz put up signs for the sea monkeys in their gobbledygook languages saying "if you enter oz illegally you will be sent back. there is nothing for you here"
Anonymous (ID: 8CsPBZpH) United States No.507652425 [Report] >>507653747
>>507652218
Genuflect upon the aroma
Anonymous (ID: Whx/QiAr) United States No.507652475 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)

F L U S H
Anonymous (ID: JpmB/D2o) United States No.507652537 [Report]
>>507650913
brapton
Anonymous (ID: Wi/6Byky) United States No.507652878 [Report]
>>507650913
>Whats the collective noun for a group of jeets?
a splattering
Anonymous (ID: 7ALAM9y4) Canada No.507653075 [Report]
>>507649938
Toronto's not great
I don't live there (because I can't afford to live in my own fucking country where I was born) but I go there often enough and it's pretty grim
It's like 50% foreigners statistically and that doesn't mean "Chinese whose family has lived here for four generations, great grandfather worked on the CNR" that means FRESH off the fucking boat jeet from punjab
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507653747 [Report] >>507656352 >>507667240
>>507652425
They live like this, no wonder there is a pest problem, but they don't mind rats
Anonymous (ID: rkuDSuvP) United States No.507653943 [Report] >>507655346
>>507643965 (OP)
Only dalits.
Anonymous (ID: 3RwqZxbU) United States No.507654127 [Report] >>507655961
>>507650839
Craziest part is that water was crystal clear when it poured in
Anonymous (ID: 7ALAM9y4) Canada No.507655346 [Report]
>>507653943
>no saaar you don't understand I am very intelligent brahmin saar I poo in loo and even wash hands saar please do not redeem the gift card
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507655961 [Report]
>>507654127
Anonymous (ID: 28Ewlrhs) No.507656352 [Report] >>507657127 >>507664046
>>507653747
>they don't mind rats
>don't mind
Hindpoos worship rats.
Anonymous (ID: Z5tWHXKZ) Canada No.507657002 [Report]
No. They are the most subhuman filth that exists on our planet. Utterly repulsive and disgusting in every way. They are not human and all deserve to be tortured and killed.
Anonymous (ID: DHkfXz0s) Canada No.507657127 [Report]
>>507656352
Toronto's pigeon and rats problem got worse when we got flooded with Indians they leave bread out, seen it dumped in front of Tim Hortons.
Anonymous (ID: gLWPxc+6) United States No.507657172 [Report] >>507662007
>>507649996
why are you pretending to be a british aristocrat? you aren't making any decisions lil bro. you don't even have a car, lol.
Anonymous (ID: WIBomf8o) No.507657195 [Report]
I love the Canadian flag in the backdrop. It's a physical manifestation of
>Saaaaaaaaaaaar we are actually canadian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous (ID: gLWPxc+6) United States No.507657319 [Report] >>507657468
>>507652218
why do they just eat on the flood/bed spread?
Anonymous (ID: Z5tWHXKZ) Canada No.507657468 [Report]
>>507657319
Because they are nigger animals that shit in the street.
Anonymous (ID: QSumHRo3) Canada No.507658658 [Report] >>507659465 >>507664675
>>507643965 (OP)
A hobby of mine is reporting illegal rentals online.

I live in Sask, but I go on facebook marketplace and kijiji, largely in Ontario since that's where prime pickings are, and build up cases against lordlords renting rooms or using illegal basement suites.

I cross reference local legislation permits and also inspect listing photos and report anything I find to public health inspectors. Everything from wrong placement of windows, lack of separate meters, ventilation, etc. If it is slightly out of code, it's a report under a fake name and email.

I will also book times in the middle of the night for rentals and fail to show. I pretend to be a pajeet coming in on a flight at 4am and need a room to rent from a slumlord. I will also mirror ads and drop the price by half, sending random pajeets to rentals under the impression rent is half what it really is.

Finally, I look up property management groups that buy up family homes and leave negative reviews for their rentals under multiple accounts attached to different IPs. I have collected about 200 emails from lawyers threatening me.

I've probably cost Canadian landlords millions of dollars since I've been doing this since covid and each deficiency I report is a fine plus the lost rental income plus the cost to repair.

I do it for free, but it gives me joy.
Anonymous (ID: aezqL2ed) Canada No.507658670 [Report]
>>507643965 (OP)
Indians are wise, its more efficient to heat, they get sex from each others, and spend less energy for buying their stuff since they're in the big city but without the expensive rent.
Anonymous (ID: a51mntSs) Canada No.507658824 [Report] >>507659291
why are canadians so fucking brown god help me
Anonymous (ID: a51mntSs) Canada No.507659214 [Report]
>>507648970
liberals, boomers, and women.
Anonymous (ID: Szw1QC4d) Canada No.507659291 [Report]
>>507658824
You probably voted for it if you don't know why.
Anonymous (ID: rkuDSuvP) United States No.507659400 [Report]
>>507650839
If that was India and not Little India, everyone would have been electrocuted.
Anonymous (ID: aezqL2ed) Canada No.507659465 [Report]
>>507658658
I love you, yes this is very gay
Anonymous (ID: rkuDSuvP) United States No.507659770 [Report] >>507660031
>>507652218
VICE had an episode about exploited foreign workers in Saudi Arabia or UAE and it looked exactly like that. They were Pakis or Bengalis, basically no difference.
Anonymous (ID: 2dkyfuPL) New Zealand No.507660031 [Report]
>>507659770
>foreign workers in Saudi Arabia or UAE
Are also Jeets. There are approximately 1.88 million Indians living in Saudi Arabia.
Anonymous (ID: JjhMlzj7) United States No.507660054 [Report] >>507660296
>>507643965 (OP)
Saar our culture is great you should try one of our amazing cow dung cakes they are so lovely
Anonymous (ID: z7yvRcz0) Canada No.507660104 [Report]
>>507648970
White people are extremely useless and weak. It is like an old person with a non-existent immune system now. Pajeets are the pathogens.
Anonymous (ID: nvgRfO/4) United States No.507660193 [Report]
>>507645006
the room is probably $1500, $500 each, lil bro.
Anonymous (ID: aezqL2ed) Canada No.507660296 [Report]
>>507660054
I agree, poop is delicious, they never tried it and they judge, shame.
Anonymous (ID: x51lUL6y) Canada No.507660676 [Report]
>>507649938
You are. Your visit will remove all doubt. Do not eat at any restaurant/fast food while traveling, seriously bro, pack a fucking cooler.
Anonymous (ID: rkuDSuvP) United States No.507661851 [Report]
>>507645006
The worst part are the retards who talk about NIMBYs.
Of course no one wants a homeless or a recovery center near their home or apartments, everyone holds NIMBY views.
Anonymous (ID: 6YwPjaKD) United Kingdom No.507662007 [Report]
>>507657172
I am not pretending to be a british aristocrat. You are simply intimidated by me. Im glad i have that effect on you.
Anonymous (ID: fWINfaND) United States No.507662077 [Report]
>>507651460

The demarcation should be whether or not you have kids of your own, not some arbitrary number
Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507663286 [Report]
>>507648748
You aren’t human pajeet
Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507664046 [Report] >>507665202
>>507656352
Why can’t shit like this be posted on Reddit to redpill normies in poos
Anonymous (ID: +l+FAsgy) Canada No.507664117 [Report]
>>507649938
You're going to the concert too?
Anonymous (ID: 1Cqpwo97) Germany No.507664223 [Report] >>507664500 >>507664805
as a german white man I see it and it triggers me, why are they too retarded to buy bunk beds with such limited space?

this is offensive
Anonymous (ID: 7iT2eBxI) United States No.507664312 [Report]
>>507648748
to be fair, this webm is a perfectly human response to anyone that has to suffer shitjeets in their daily life
Anonymous (ID: 7iT2eBxI) United States No.507664500 [Report] >>507664794
>>507664223
>why are they too retarded to buy
>buy
that's why
they have no technical assembly skill that won't see the entire home collapse on them for the effort and every dime they labor for is sent back overseas to their family of 900 redundant protoplasms back home - they have no loyalty to whatever secondary nation they presently infest
Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507664675 [Report]
>>507658658
Goodness you deserve eternal life just for this. All I do is warn potential tourists away, costing the Canadian government thousands of dollars in lost revenue because they decided to turn us into pajeetland
Anonymous (ID: Fjg/V6aI) Canada No.507664773 [Report]
>>507645223
the guy who checks up on that is also a jeet and taking %
Anonymous (ID: 1Cqpwo97) Germany No.507664794 [Report] >>507665106 >>507665412
>>507664500
$500 a month, bunk bed cost almost nothing
Anonymous (ID: vPslqzaZ) Canada No.507664805 [Report]
>>507664223
They aren’t human
Anonymous (ID: Fjg/V6aI) Canada No.507665062 [Report] >>507665187
>>507648564
if everything worked the way it was supposed to work then this country wouldn't have 10 million jeets in it
Anonymous (ID: nvgRfO/4) United States No.507665106 [Report] >>507665502
>>507664794
>bunk bed cost almost nothing
Bunk beds cost like $1000 you retarded child
Anonymous (ID: 1Cqpwo97) Germany No.507665187 [Report] >>507665307
>>507665062
indians are an ethnic punishment for candians it was working too well so they punished canadian whites
Anonymous (ID: 28Ewlrhs) No.507665202 [Report]
>>507664046
I've been trying to tell people to take the knowledge acquired here to normie sites for years now. Poojeets invariably dig themselves deeper in front of normies, because everything I post here is true and factual so they can neither deny nor denounce it.

t. did my part with r/stopindianmigration and SukhdeepDikshit, and redpilled thousands of normies until they were banned
Anonymous (ID: Fjg/V6aI) Canada No.507665307 [Report]
>>507665187
>it was working too well
it was never working well, it just seems like it was in comparison
Anonymous (ID: 7iT2eBxI) United States No.507665412 [Report]
>>507664794
what are they buying it with if they send all their money back overseas?
nearly every brown body in a white nation is a literal parasite just siphoning funds back to their homeland and this has been true since the 1980s
Anonymous (ID: 1Cqpwo97) Germany No.507665502 [Report] >>507666179 >>507666315
>>507665106
if you think they do not have a $400 bunk bed into a $1500 a month room for three people because of money then you are wrong its because nobody in this story came up with this concept or basic understanding
Anonymous (ID: 7iT2eBxI) United States No.507666179 [Report] >>507666808
>>507665502
you're making the mistake as viewing them as human or capable of thinking as humans do
these abject-poverty animals live the way they do by deliberate action because you cannot beat the third-world inclinations out of a first-generation subhuman
Anonymous (ID: nvgRfO/4) United States No.507666315 [Report]
>>507665502
I'm just saying you asking "why don't they buy"
The answer is obviously because they don't want to spend money, you'd have to be a literal child to not understand this.
Anonymous (ID: uIUfhSzT) Canada No.507666352 [Report]
>>507650839
This is what happens when jeets actually use a toilet, their street-shitter biology is incompatible with modern plumbing.
Anonymous (ID: SitHyuY0) Bulgaria No.507666747 [Report] >>507666870
>>507647103
how does that house have enough bathrooms and fridges and beds? or do they not use any of the listed things?
Anonymous (ID: nE5ZVU3o) Australia No.507666808 [Report] >>507666947
>>507666179
>third-world inclinations out of a first-generation subhuman
Still hoplessly addicted to baking self-sabotaging propositions into your logic I see, retarded mutt. Tell me, how many generations have you enjoyed the company of your nigger gods, now? Perhaps share some mutt mythos about how they were at some point not as violently criminal because you can produce monochromatic photos of monkeys in suits?
Anonymous (ID: 28Ewlrhs) No.507666870 [Report]
>>507666747
Bathrooms?
Anonymous (ID: 7iT2eBxI) United States No.507666947 [Report]
>>507666808
i don't wanna hear shit from you until you buy your country back from the chinese you nogunz cuckold
Anonymous (ID: gVQYteVy) Canada No.507667240 [Report]
>>507653747
If you can't win, join them I guess