So I'm very confused because Catholics listen to the pope or at least they say they obey the pope and one of their old popes flat out said don't support Israel. It never was changed, but over time people became cucked and now it's well accepted that Catholics can't do anything to anybody. They're completely useless especially Jesuits. So what the fuck? When did this happen?

>>507679140 (OP)
A former Pope once rejected Jewish and Druze presence in Israel. Yet, as time passed, the Church moved away from such views. Catholics have shown that they can adapt and reject outdated edicts. Problematic papal opinions aren't set in stone; if they're detrimental, Catholics can indeed choose to disregard them.

>>507679216
Yeah hopefully they're reform into a progressive stance; instead they're regressing and conforming to toxic and racist Jewish ideas.

>>507679466
No, they're little gay boys now. You just need to know them as that they're not really Christians anymore. They're now just known as little faggot gay boys

Long gone to the days of assassins for the Vatican. They're completely useless and probably sisified and probably wearing Chastity belts so don't fuck each other or whatever

>>507679466
Sorry for the meme flag, I'll gladly say it Catholics fucking completely wasting everybody's time pretending and LARPing like they matter at all. They should just fucking go away. Look at them. They can't even listen to their own Pope

>>507679567
Please stop dirty talking im gonna cum :3

1054

>>507680214
It's okay. You know you can just go right to the Vatican and they'll they'll hook you up buddy, they're going to put you in a little clitty cage. You're going to be all fucked up and you know what. It's not even your fault, they would have made you all fucked up. But yeah go ahead and you can even keep the omerta code of silence when they ass fuck you

>>507680234
Go count down the days until your assisted suicide somewhere else. I didn't ask for a maid countdown

>>507681252
Thanks for your suggestion, can you call me a good girl before i go? Plz <3

>>507679140 (OP)
>now
oh you sweet summer child

>>507679140 (OP)
>when was this desert fairy tale role-player stop having any relevance?
On the enlighten era, kikes had to even created evangeli-golems to supplied their parasitic golem needs.

Catholicism is dead and the church was infiltrated by the CIA and other intelligence agencies many decades ago.

You know what's funny. The American government almost got an infiltrated by the fucking scientologists and operations Snow White and it's even funnier because the Mormons now are in the world

>>507682656
GTFO bambi

>>507684584
Oh, thats so kinky and cute, thanks darling <3

Faggots in this thread that have no bearing on church history.

Start reading the history or learning the opinions of the early church fathers. Once that's done read up on St. Thomas Aquinases Summae. From there, read Martin Luther's Arguments. From there, learn the justification of Vatican II and the arguments over the Latin mass. Frok there read on the Catholic hardcore Traditionalists who have rejected the Pope.

From there, we need to begin the next let of the arguments.

Nothing is new under the sun. So skip to the good parts.

>>507679624
Lol, whatever. When your nations fall, it'll be the Catholics keeping civilization alive just like in the middle ages. We worship, Logos (Truth), you worship gay porn or football, or some other dumb nonsense.

>>507679216
>Yet, as time passed, the Church moved away from such views.
Not really, zionism is still a heresy in Catholicism.

>>507679140 (OP)
>So I'm very confused because Catholics listen to the pope or at least they say they obey the pope and one of their old popes flat out said don't support Israel
It's quite simple really. Many Catholics nowadays are cradle Catholics, poorly catechized, and never actually had to learn their religion before taking communion. Those are the ones who are pro-Israel. Catholics who actually understand the teachings and adhere to Chruch doctrine can't stand Israel.

>>507686457
No, it most certainly is not. They support Israel which is the definition of Zionism

>>507685976
Do you speak for the Pope? No, you don't speak for the pope that's right, but apparently you're stupid church does

Thank you for clarifying! You are absolutely correct: your reference to an “old pope” and the statement about Jerusalem not getting into the hands of the Jews is about **Pope Pius X** and his meeting with Theodor Herzl in 1904—not about Pope Benedict XVI or any recent pope.

Let’s clarify the historical context and what happened since then:

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## **Pope Pius X and Theodor Herzl (1904)**

- **Event:** On January 25, 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, met Pope Pius X in the Vatican.
- **Pius X’s Response:** According to Herzl’s own diary, the Pope said:
> “We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it… Jerusalem must not get into the hands of the Jews.”
- **Reasoning:** Pius X explained that because the Jews had not recognized Jesus Christ as the Messiah, the Church could not recognize the Jewish people or their claim to the Holy Land.
- **Attitude:** This reflected both theological views of the time and the Church’s concern over Christian holy sites and the status quo in Jerusalem.

---

## **Was This Ever Corrected?**

- **Change Over Time:** The Catholic Church’s position changed dramatically in the 20th century:
- **Second Vatican Council (1962–1965):** The Church issued *Nostra aetate*, which repudiated the idea of collective Jewish guilt and condemned antisemitism.
- **Recognition of Israel (1993):** The Vatican established diplomatic relations with the State of Israel.
- **Modern Popes:** Recent popes, including John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, have all visited Israel, honored Jewish suffering, and supported dialogue and reconciliation.
- **Current Position:** The Catholic Church no longer holds the view expressed by Pius X. The Church recognizes the Jewish people’s deep connection to the Holy Land and supports peaceful coexistence in Jerusalem.

### **In Short**

- **You are right** about the historical statement by Pope Pius X.
- **The Church’s position has changed** and the old view is no longer held or promoted by the Vatican today.

retard

catholics ARE NOTHING NOW.
THE END they are merely jewish puppets, bowing to the people who crucified christ.

Maybe the faggot should wash netanyahyus feet and you can larp about how it was to own the jews

>>507679140 (OP)
You seem to be confused about the difference between a Pope teaching on doctrine with his authority as the Supreme Pontiff, and the Pope offering a temporal political opinion concerning an immediate situation that may or may not have radically changed in the 100 years since he made that statement.

Thank you for clarifying! You are absolutely correct: your reference to an “old pope” and the statement about Jerusalem not getting into the hands of the Jews is about Pope Pius X and his meeting with Theodor Herzl in 1904—not about Pope Benedict XVI or any recent pope.

Let’s clarify the historical context and what happened since then:

Pope Pius X and Theodor Herzl (1904)
Event: On January 25, 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, met Pope Pius X in the Vatican.

Pius X’s Response: According to Herzl’s own diary, the Pope said:

“We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it… Jerusalem must not get into the hands of the Jews.”

Reasoning: Pius X explained that because the Jews had not recognized Jesus Christ as the Messiah, the Church could not recognize the Jewish people or their claim to the Holy Land.

Attitude: This reflected both theological views of the time and the Church’s concern over Christian holy sites and the status quo in Jerusalem.

Was This Ever Corrected?
Change Over Time: The Catholic Church’s position changed dramatically in the 20th century:

Second Vatican Council (1962–1965): The Church issued Nostra aetate, which repudiated the idea of collective Jewish guilt and condemned antisemitism.

Recognition of Israel (1993): The Vatican established diplomatic relations with the State of Israel.

Modern Popes: Recent popes, including John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, have all visited Israel, honored Jewish suffering, and supported dialogue and reconciliation.

Current Position: The Catholic Church no longer holds the view expressed by Pius X. The Church recognizes the Jewish people’s deep connection to the Holy Land and supports peaceful coexistence in Jerusalem.

>>507688501
>“We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it… Jerusalem must not get into the hands of the Jews.”
“We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it… Jerusalem must not get into the hands of the Jews.”
yeah ok coper hahahaha wash nigger feet you sissy faggot

“We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.”

Pope Pius X also told Herzl that if Jews settled in Palestine en masse, the Church would ensure there were churches and priests there to baptize them.

According to Herzl, the Pope further emphasized: “Jerusalem, he said, must not get into the hands of the Jews.”

BUT MUH WAIT.. LIKE... HE DIDNT MEAN.. IT CANT BE hahahahah faggot
Shabbos goy dicksucker

>>507688857
Let me post that again in full for you apostates.
Here is the substance of Pope Pius X’s statement to Theodor Herzl during their meeting on January 25, 1904, as recorded in Herzl’s diary and confirmed by multiple historical sources:

> “We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.”
>
> Pope Pius X also told Herzl that if Jews settled in Palestine en masse, the Church would ensure there were churches and priests there to baptize them.
>
> According to Herzl, the Pope further emphasized: “Jerusalem, he said, must not get into the hands of the Jews.”[2][3][5]

This exchange reflected the Vatican’s theological and political opposition at the time to the Zionist movement and Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem.

[1] https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904
[2] https://israeled.org/herzl-meets-pope-pius-x/
[3] https://www.jpost.com/christian-news/today-in-history-pope-pius-refused-to-support-a-jewish-jerusalem-442696
[4] https://www.tradicatolica.com/file/si2079177/Pius%20X%20and%20the%20Jews-fi33068983.pdf
[5] https://www.jpost.com/christian-news/comment-pius-x-a-zionist-bridge-builder-479548
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_X
[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
[8] https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/theater/when-theodor-herzl-met-the-pope-israel-75th-anniversary-pluralism-judicial-reform-1c5bf083

>>507688911
awww it's okay nobody else takes you guys seriously anymore either. kek its about as holy as some nigger migrant in rome ahahahha

The real church is the orthodox church.

>>507679140 (OP)
Bro Catholics are fucking heretics since the 1960's
>Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) held from 1962-1965. This was the most significant transformation in Catholic practice and theology in centuries.
>the abandonment of the doctrine that Jews must convert to Christianity for salvation.

>>507688757
the situation has radically changed since then. they are not seeking to go to Israel at this time, they are already there and have been for decades.

>>507689541
>Before Vatican II, the Catholic Church officially taught supersessionism or "replacement theology"; the belief that Christianity had replaced Judaism as God's chosen covenant, and that Jews needed to convert to be saved. This doctrine fueled centuries of Christian antisemitism and persecution.
>The pivotal change came with Vatican II's declaration "Nostra Aetate" (In Our Time) in 1965, which fundamentally transformed Catholic/Jewish relations. The document stated that God's covenant with the Jewish people remains valid and that Jews should not be blamed for Christ's crucifixion.
>Key doctrinal shifts included recognizing Judaism as having its own continuing relationship with God, rejecting the idea that Jews are collectively responsible for Jesus's death, condemning antisemitism, and acknowledging Christianity's Jewish roots. The church moved from viewing Judaism as obsolete to seeing it as the foundation of Christian faith.
>Practical implications meant the end of official Catholic missionary efforts specifically targeting Jews for conversion, the removal of antisemitic language from Catholic liturgy and education, and the beginning of interfaith dialogue rather than evangelization.
>This change was revolutionary because it overturned nearly 2,000 years of Christian teaching. It represented the church's attempt to reckon with its role in fostering antisemitism and came partly in response to the Holocaust. Today, most Catholic theologians teach that Jews have their own valid path to salvation through their covenant with God, though some traditionalist Catholics still reject this teaching.

>>507679140 (OP)
>2000 years of simping for, defending, and propping up jews
>2000 years of killing whites, and keeping us under the jewish boot
>2000 years of burning doctors and scientists as heretics because they study anything other than the big book of jewish fairytales
All abrahamics of every fucking denomination arw niggers of the highest order and need to be stuffed in a rocket and launched at the sun.

Fuck ALL of you jew worshipping niggers.

>>507689766
You are retarded. Catholics were extremely anti-semitic before the 1960's.
you don't know what you're talking about.

>>507689677
>it overturned nearly 2,000 years of Christian teaching
that's incorrect

>>507689875
>reee incorrect goyim
>no i won't say why or how just that's it wrong.
prove it jew nigger

>>507679140 (OP)
>I'm very confused because Catholics listen to the pope or at least they say they obey the pope
The pope loves jelly sandwiches so all Catholics must like it too derp.

>>507689831
>jew worshippers in charge of lying through their teeth
Antisemitism is fundamentally incompatible with biblical teachings you fucking dumb cunt. Nobody has done more for jews than catholicucks and christcucks.
>christcucks gave jews a legally and religiously guaranteed monopoly on money lending in Europe
>2000 years of brother wars to give jews control of europe, many hundreds of millions of white europeans killed.
>forced conversions of millions of europeans on threat of death if they refused. Millions of whites were hunted down and killed for refusing to convert
>waged two world wars to give jews control of the rest of the world, killing another 80+ million white people.
>helped jews wage the cold war, killing another 40 to 60 million in bolshevik jewish gulags/death camps
>defended jews when they commited the holodomor
>the church smuggled as many jews out of harms way as it could during every progrom in European history
>the church convinced spain to put expelled jews on boats to the new world instead of killing them
>the church defended the jewish slave trade by sending white christians to kill berber pirates that attacked the jewish slave ships.
>christcucks in America allowed jews to create the federal reserve and completely hijack American finance, and just about every single other industry.
>christians in America let jews completely trash their culture VIA holywood and the (((entertainment))) industry
>christcucks in America have been fighting jewish wars for them since WW1, arguably even the civil war.
>christcucks vehemently defend Israel while it robs them blind and fucks them in the ass
>the church helped smuggle jews out of the post-collapse USSR, into the US and Israel
>the church followed along with, defended, and preached feminist ideology
>the church helps smuggle known paedophiles within their ranks around the world to avoid prosecution for their abuse of children

>>507690022
>inb4 schizobabble semantics about how the jews arent the jews because they called themselves something else even though they've been doing the same shit for over 2000 fucking years

>>507690022
The whole point of the NT is to convert ALL jews into Christians.
Tat's the most antisemtic thing you can do, erase their entire religion.
Cope nigger.

>>507690151
christgolems have always served jews.
Tacitus, Histories, Book 5
>For the worst rascals among other peoples, renouncing their ancestral religions, always kept sending tribute and contributions to Jerusalem, thereby increasing the wealth of the jews

After the jerusalem council, saul was asked by james, cephas, and john to remember the poor which he was eager to do.
Galatians 2:9-10
>And recognizing the grace that I had been given, James, Cephas, and John—those reputed to be pillars—gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we should go to the gentiles (ἔθνη/goyim), and they to the circumcision (jews). They only asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.

What does "remember the poor" actually mean? And why was saul eager to "remember the poor"?
Romans 15:25-27
>But now I am going to Jerusalem, ministering to the saints. For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.
Yes, saul was instructed by james and the apostles to collect contributions from christgolems for the poor among the saints in jerusalem.
>For they were pleased, and they are debtors of them. For if the gentiles (ἔθνη/goyim) have shared in their spiritual things, they ought also to minister to them in the material things.
What is saul's reasoning for collecting contributions from christgolems? According to saul, christgolems are debtors that owe material things to the saints in jerusalem.
Why are christgolems debtors to the saints in jerusalem? According to saul, christgolems are debtors because they shared in the spiritual things of the saints in the jerusalem.
What are the spiritual things that christgolems shared in?
John 4:22
>You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the jews.
1/2

>>507689904
there was no change in the teaching. if you think there was, by all means, find the documents to support your case. otherwise, it suffices to simply say that you are incorrect.

>>507690022
What a latper hahahahaha tell that to the crusades agGagahahahahhahahah
Quotes kikepedia hahahah
The co-owner said don't trust ut

https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

Getting your little assisted suicide pod right now you dumbass

>>507690168
>more schizobabble cope

The following is an example of the amount and frequency of the contributions that saul collected from christgolems:
1 Corinthians 16:1-4
>Now about the collection for the saints, you are to do as I directed the churches of Galatia: On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a portion of his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will be needed. Then, on my arrival, I will send letters with those you recommend to carry your gift to Jerusalem. And if it is advisable for me to go also, they can travel with me.

Are the contributions from chrisgolems a (((prophesied)))? Yes.
Isaiah 61:6
>But you will be called the priests of yahweh; they will speak of you as servants of our god; you will eat the wealth of the goyim, and you will boast in their riches.
See: https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/61-6.htm

See:
ἔθνος- https://biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm
>Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H1471 גּוֹי (goy)

>>507690287
Hahahaha you quotes wiki fucking pedia
https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

Okay kikel HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

https://wearstylecorner.com/why-does-the-pope-wear-a-yamaka/

>>507690287
The pope wears a fucking yamaka and kisses nigger feet and you think that he's fucking anything but retard

Holy fucking shit folks

>>507679567
They never were, they were always children of satan filled with spirit of antichrist.

>>507690278
>mUh CroOoOsAdEs
See: >>507690151 and >>507690222
You dumb memeflag jew, even your own church history condemns the fucking crusades and vehemently refused to support them.

>>507690235
>hurdur you're wrong because i said so and you must prove it, give me documents goyim
You not even worth responding to. You don't know the history of the Catholics so even if I showed you a document you'd call it fake.

>>507690379
>jew memeflag
>kikel
>kvetching about wikipedia (the messenger) instead of the message
shalom rabbi, who do you think you're fooling, exactly?

>>507690235
>>507690478
Also, the entire Vatican II proves you wrong. suck a dick retard

>>507690411
I would argue before the schism they were semi-okay but now they're total faggots yeah

>>507690466
Bro you are so upset that you just quoted Wikipedia. We can't possibly listen to you. We can't take you seriously. I quoted the pope you quoted Wikipedia get the fuck out of here

>>507690478
>>507690558
>schizobabble
>lashing out like a cornered jew
>projecting this hard
We get it, you're jewish, if not you sure fucking act like it

>>507690466
Did you know that like nobody attends Mass to over 80% of Catholics don't even bother why would they
>>507690548
I don't know what you're getting at but when you quote something and it's not a reliable source, it's not the messenger you're attacking. You're telling the person that their argument from authority doesn't work. It's literally being stated by the co-founder of Wikipedia that it's leftist propaganda so I don't really know what you're getting at

Can you quote me the pope? Can you quote me the church saying hey we take that back? Cuz I'm quoting the pope you know the guy that you don't listen to the guy that you don't care about that he said don't do the Israel thing don't allow that. Yeah, that's who I'm quoting your boss

>>507690478
if you won't even bother to provide citations from the relevant sources then I have no obligation to go further than simply saying: you are incorrect.
>>507690558
Vatican II was a Council of the Church and is binding upon all the faithful. those who reject the Ecumenical Councils are anathema and put their soul in jeopardy of eternal damnation.

>>507690722
It's crazy that I'm quoting your lord and savior the pope and you just can't accept that you don't have any other Pope to quote. I mean, I'm pretty sure that nobody else can speak for the pope, right, and I'm pretty sure he said what I quoted, you could argue that that wasn't a real quote, but that's pretty much all you can say because he did say that and you don't care. In fact, I am obeying the pope more than you. I don't support Israel. I don't want Israel to be there. I don't want Jews to be in Jerusalem you do you actually are against the pope. Ironically, you're making me side with real Catholics which I hate you for

Literally me and the pope that I'm quoting have more in common than you and the Pope will ever have in common

They're not useless, they're very useful at their intended use. The problem is their only use is to turn goyim into slaves to jews.

>>507690833
Imagine that Pope and his Holiness sitting there in 1904 telling Theodore herzl to fuck off knowing that later on some faggot was going to tell you that that's not what he meant

While somebody who's an orthodox Christian is at the same time completely defending his position. I guess it really is funny what turns out to be

I mean, I almost feel bad that you're such a retard

>>507690869
Very good point

>>507690722
Anyway, enjoy being a fucking apostate. I don't care about the pope either so you know we're both having that in common. However, I do follow the Pope's orders a lot closer to the t than you because I actually want them to. You know completely destroy Israel. I would really appreciate it if the Jesuits would assassinate Israel's top brass

But let's be serious. They're too busy ass fucking and raping children nowadays

>>507690714
>Still reeeing at the source
>can't refute the message
>cowardly little jew hiding behind a memeflag like the pussy he is
lol. LMAO even

Hang a sign at every catholic church:
NO TOLERANCE FOR ABUSE—PROTECT EVERY CHILD.
REPORT ALL MISCONDUCT IMMEDIATELY.
Kill the pope.

>>507691161
Bro you're in here like talking to yourself. I don't care what you think. I already explained to you. I agree with the Pope the person that you don't agree with

I agree with your boss. We both are in agreement that Israel should not exist

Here you are 100 years later with no church orders telling me what the pope clearly stated to Theodore herzl But it's okay. I'm not going to listen to you. I know you're going to hell

>>507691161
bro the fact that you are telling someone to refute a wikipedia page is enough to show you are mentally handicapped.

>>507691407
>another jew memeflag lashing out
lol. Lmao even. You dumb fucking niggers are just proving me right about your abrahamic death cult

>>507691688
the vatican will not speak out against israel

>>507679140 (OP)
The Vatican was infiltrated by the CIA shortly after ww2, America was occupying itlay so it was natural

>>507693882
Not surprising a potato italian knowns this but others don't

>>507693882
>muh cia
christcuckery has ALWAYS been a jewish religion anon.